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Freida5 Donating Member (649 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-08-08 03:27 PM
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Taylor Marsh posts Carville-Wilhelm discussion about Michigan/Florida. Excellent
http://www.taylormarsh.com /

Obama to Stiff Arm Michigan and Florida?


Okay, so we know Obama doesn't care about Florida, because he knows he'll lose that state to McCain, and if there's a re-vote he'll also lose it to Clinton. That would mean yet another huge swing state in her corner, which Obama can't afford because it further makes the case that Clinton's path to the White House is much better than the crap shoot Obama offers. As for Michigan, there was a "firehouse primary" floated, but the Obama campaign has evidently nixed it. To make matters worse, Zogby was on CNN recently doubting that either Michigan or Florida should count. Are these guys nuts? The fact is that Obama seems to want to deny both Michigan and Florida voters, which became apparent when James Carville tangled with David Wilhelm on CNN. Jerome agrees, BTD weighs in as well.

The Ragin' Cagin completely unmasked the Obama campaign's actual plan to disenfranchise Floridians, which for some of us who remember 2000 all too well, sounds positively un-Democratic, capital "d." Carville puts Obama's man David Wilhelm back on his heels in this interview with Wolf Blitzer. Shorter review: don't send a boy to do a man's job. Wilhelm is totally outmatched in this one, with Carville creaming him on every angle.Carville offers solutions, Wilhelm offers pontificating and obfuscation. Sound familiar?

The problem with this exchange is that Carville honestly tries to off a way through the DNC's mess, but Wilhelm won't accept it, preferring the limbo and disenfranchisement Michigan and Florida voters currently are experiencing. Classic exchange:


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Patsy Stone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-08-08 03:30 PM
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1. That's Cajun, not cagin
Edited on Sat Mar-08-08 03:37 PM by Patsy Stone
ed: you would think a giant Clinton supporter like Marsh would know that.
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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-08-08 03:40 PM
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2. Hillary is trying to win by playing outside the party rules.
Obama is not to be blamed for not going along.

This has all been for Hillary's benefit.
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Freida5 Donating Member (649 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-08-08 03:42 PM
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3. Florida and Michigan need to have their say.
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ProgressiveEconomist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-08-08 03:44 PM
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4. HRC 2 days ago: 'I don't think that there should be any do-over...Florida should be seated'
(and net her 38 delegates and 288,000 votes in a no-campaigning-allowed name recognition farce)

From http://www.usnews.com/articles/news/campaign-2008/2008/... , three hours ago:

'On a "do-over" in Florida and Michigan, which held nominating contests that broke Democratic Party rules

I would not accept a caucus. I think that would be a great disservice to the 2 million people who turned out and voted. I think that they want their votes counted. And you know a lot of people would be disenfranchised because of the timing and whatever the particular rules were. This is really going to be a serious challenge for the Democratic Party because the voters in Michigan and Florida are the ones being hurt, and certainly with respect to Florida the Democrats were dragged into doing what they did by a Republican governor and a Republican Legislature. They didn't have any choice whatsoever. And I don't think that there should be any do-over or any kind of a second run in Florida. I think Florida should be seated.'
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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-08-08 04:27 PM
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5. That would be cheating and breaking the rules.
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joshcryer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-08-08 04:48 PM
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12. That is not a lie, she can table such a vote, and Obama can shoot it down. And then the supers...
...will do what's right and seat them, and then tell Obama to gtfo.
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joshcryer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-08-08 04:47 PM
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11. Stop lying please. There is no rule breaking.
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progressoid Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-09-08 09:51 AM
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18. Really?
How is agreeing to a primary/caucus calendar, and then breaking that agreement with the other 48 states not rule breaking?
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sueragingroz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-09-08 12:36 PM
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19. The rules say that a do-over counts
Are you saying that Obama is anti-democracy?


That's a tough argument to make.

Face it - he's cornered on this one.
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Skwmom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-08-08 04:40 PM
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6. Has any Democrat EVER won FL w/out significant support from black voters?
Some how I don't think so.
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angie_love Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-08-08 04:42 PM
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7. Taylor Marsh is a disgusting hack. Our version of Rush.
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ellacott Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-08-08 04:43 PM
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8. Taylor Marsh and Excellent in the same title is an oxymoron
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Vinca Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-08-08 04:43 PM
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9. Why doesn't Hillary agree to 1 caucus and 1 primary?
Maybe he'd go along with that. Unfortunately, to Clinton, it's her way or the highway. She needs to compromise.
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AtomicKitten Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-08-08 04:46 PM
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10. Carville played the part of a traitor in 2004 when he leaked to the GOP info about Kerry.
Edited on Sat Mar-08-08 05:29 PM by AtomicKitten
He's the one with a trash can on his head, an appropriate receptacle:

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yewberry Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-08-08 04:49 PM
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13. Garbage.
The FDP disenfranchised Floridians, and the candidates are left with the unattractive options of either allowing the state party to bully its way into a position of influence or allowing the voters of the state to suffer for the state party's power-grab.

This has been going on for a long time before it became a two-candidate race, and spinning it in such a way that suggests that either candidate is behind it is crap.

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NoodleyAppendage Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-08-08 04:49 PM
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14. James Carville is NO FRIEND OF DEMOCRACY. But, we should listen to him???
The willingness of seemingly sensical dems to listen to and follow Repuke-lite snakes like Carville escapes me.

J
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pdxmom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-08-08 04:51 PM
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15. They've got $15 Million ready to go? The campaign that was broke? I'd
be very interested in knowing who those "fundraisers" are that are willing to buy these primaries for Hillary.
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rodeodance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-08-08 05:17 PM
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16. off to the GREATEST
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progressoid Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-09-08 09:22 AM
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17. Carville... Carville... Carville... where have I heard that name?
Edited on Sun Mar-09-08 09:22 AM by progressoid
Oh yeah, he's in love with that RW hack who worked for * and Dickie Cheney. :puke:




And he still thinks it's a good idea to keep Zell Miller as a client on his website.
http://www.carville.info /

:puke: :puke:
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