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Ian_walker Donating Member (496 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-08-08 03:04 PM
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69% of Democratic voters now support the DREAM TICKET News Week Poll
The nomination is a statistical dead heat.

And the Democratic Party voters say it is time to start talking DREAM TICKET
http://www.newsweek.com/id/119953

Poll Figures
http://www.newsweek.com/id/119957

DREAM TICKET is chance to real bash the NeoConMen

UNITY is what terrifies NeoConMen

You know UNITY makes sense because NeoConMen are Terrified of two little words:

DREAM TICKET

Why do the GOP have nightmares about it?

Why is DREAM TICKET the thousand pound guerrilla sitting among all the breakables in the dainty GOP room?

Why do NeoConMen glance at it and then hold their hands up to blinker their eyes, muttering "Can't see it, Can't see it, Can't see it." hopping that will make it go away?

Because as any loyal Democrat can see, it is not just a single candidate or a mere 4 or 8 years of presidency.

It means a raft of candidates for both presidency, representatives and senate; and time enough in office that they can bring about true change and the dawn of a New Democratic Age for America.

It means Democrats at their convention with the next two winning candidates already lined up and shouting "16 years, Sixteen Years, SIXTEEN YEARS!"

UNITY is not just a win. It is a LANDSLIDE.

Because voters throughout the country are now hungry for change.

They are sick of the Republicans damaging the US economy. They are sick of the Iraq war. They are sick of the American image being dragged through the mud. They sick of rising gas at the pump. They are sick of the dollar in their pocket being worth half of what it was. They are sick of it all. Most of all they are sick of the NeoConMen and their lies and deceit. And they are hungry for change.

If McCain has the GOP nomination over the Conservative Huckabee it just proves voters want a liberal in charge. McCain just means the Democrats have already won the next election he is already behind in the polls against both Democratic Party Candidates and that means voters even former Republicans are hungry for change. Voters hungry for change are not going to go for the half fat liberal McCain. If you want a liberal in charge your going to VOTE THE FULL CREAM and vote Democrat, Obama or Clinton.

BUT frighten a NeoConMan today with just two simple words.

DREAM TICKET
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Bigleaf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-08-08 03:09 PM
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1. 69% of Democratic Voters will be disappointed
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Ian_walker Donating Member (496 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-08-08 03:12 PM
Response to Reply #1
3. Kind of thing a McCain supporter would say
If you think about what your post realy says...
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Bigleaf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-08-08 03:14 PM
Response to Reply #3
8. It's the truth. Why would Obama want her on his ticket when she says
he's not qualified? Fantasy.
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City Lights Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-08-08 03:20 PM
Response to Reply #8
15. And for the same reason, why would she want him on hers?
Who would want such an inexperienced person only a heartbeat away from it all? Could only be Hillary "I'm so confused" Clinton.
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Ian_walker Donating Member (496 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-08-08 03:27 PM
Response to Reply #15
25. Because UNITY is more important than your or your candidates ego
Same reply as above
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City Lights Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-08-08 03:31 PM
Response to Reply #25
30. Unity is a fantasy.
Only one person gets to be president. No one votes for the vice presidential candidate.
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Ian_walker Donating Member (496 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-08-08 03:42 PM
Response to Reply #30
35. That is what the NeoConMen hope. That is whay it gives them nightmares
16 Years. 16 YEARS! SIXTEEN YEARS!
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Zhade Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-09-08 01:02 AM
Response to Reply #35
201. Thanks, but 8 years of another Clinton gives ME nightmares.
I'll pass on the lying, fearmongering power-hungry wannabe-cheat who thinks she gets to pick her presidential powers.

Looks like a majority of Dems have, too! Woohoo!

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Ian_walker Donating Member (496 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-09-08 03:45 AM
Response to Reply #201
218. DREAM TICKET is the gift that just keeps giving...
... Nightmares to NeoConMen

DREAM TICKET you know it makes sense!

Terrify a NeoConMan today. While Drinking coffee in the Mall say to your Friend DREAM TICKET. Even if you whisper it a NeoConMen will hear it clear across the other side of the Mall. Try it really works.

And I do love giving NeoConMen Nightmares. And winding up the Rove trolls on this forum is just Soooo Much fun! :D

DREAM TICKET what all NeoConMen Hate. Winding up the Rove Trolls on this forum really is fun! :D

The NeoConMen hate Obama
The NeoConMen hate Clinton
The NeoConMen hate Kerry
The NeoConMen hate Bill Clinton
The NeoConMen hate Gore
The NeoConMen hate JFK
The NeoConMen hate Carter
The NeoConMen even hate their very own McCain
The NeoConMen hate every single Democratic Party candidate they always have and always will.

HATE is all they do. Winding up the Rove trolls on this forum IS Soooo Much fun!

They account for less than 30% of voters and declining. They have some loud mouthpieces like Fox and Talk Radio and the rest of the NeoConMen's media.

Their time is ended.

All they have left is Hate. Winding up the Rove Trolls on this forum is Soooo Much fun! :D

UNITY trumps hate every time. Winding up the Rove Trolls on this forum is Soooo Much fun! :D

That is what the United States of America is based on.

And America is sick of them. They are sick of the NeoConMen damaging the US economy. They are sick of the Iraq war. They are sick of the American image being dragged through the mud. They sick of the NeoConMen raping our planet. The sick of the NeoConMen's Tax Debt. They sick of rising gas at the pump. They are sick of the dollar in their pocket being worth half of what it was. They are sick of it all. Most of all they are sick of the NeoConMen and their lies and deceit. And they are hungry for change.

UNITY is what will win.
UNITY is what the NeoConMen fear
UNITY is the Gift that keeps giving...NeoConMen Nightmares
UNITY is a landslide
UNITY is Strategic Momentum
UNITY is 16 years of power
UNITY is a Democratic Party House of Representatives
UNITY is a Democratic Party Senate
UNITY is the NeoConMen buried
UNITY will beat hate! Winding up the Rove Trolls on this forum is Soooo Much fun! :D
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niceypoo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-09-08 03:48 AM
Response to Reply #201
219. Bill Clinton was one of the most effective presidents in History
Obamas whole campaign is based on hating Bill Clintons family.
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Ian_walker Donating Member (496 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-09-08 02:02 PM
Response to Reply #219
226. UNITY is about the whole Democratic Party
It is a strategy of all Democratic Party supporters pulling in the same direction.
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indimuse Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-09-08 05:24 PM
Response to Reply #219
256. nicely put.
...
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Ian_walker Donating Member (496 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-09-08 06:50 PM
Response to Reply #256
271. UNITY is what wins. UNITY is a landslide. UNITY is 16 years!
Edited on Sun Mar-09-08 06:51 PM by Ian_walker
UNITY is a dream

"I have a dream..."
"...one day right there in Alabama little black boys and black girls will be able to join hands with little white boys and white girls as sisters and brothers..."
Dr. Martin Luther King, Jr delivered 28 August 1963, at the Lincoln Memorial, Washington D.C.

The Dream Ticket is that dream made flesh.
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indimuse Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-09-08 07:27 PM
Response to Reply #271
276. what an amazing visual..huh?
:)
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Ian_walker Donating Member (496 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-10-08 01:40 PM
Response to Reply #276
298. It is very Artistic...
Now make one that promotes Democratic Party UNITY

It needs to point out that:
UNITY removes division.
UNITY solves any impasse.
UNITY heals all wounds and hurts of the primary

Then make one that says
UNITY is a Strategy

UNITY is a landslide
UNITY is 16 years.
UNITY is a strategic momentum.
UNITY is Democratic Party House of Representatives
UNITY is Democratic Party Senate
UNITY will bury the NeoConMen.

Now that is a Strategy

Once you have made those two, I will give you 2 more, this is about UNITY
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Straight Shooter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-08-08 05:31 PM
Response to Reply #30
109. Wrong.
Edwards was the only thing worth voting for on the Kerry/Edwards ticket.

McCain can only be saved by his choice of veep, considering the speculation McCain will croak or go totally senile within a year.
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Ian_walker Donating Member (496 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-08-08 05:44 PM
Response to Reply #109
112. McCain's health is clearly an issue, The growth on his face has enlarged.
I pointed it out in a thread about 3 weeks back
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Straight Shooter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-08-08 05:55 PM
Response to Reply #112
116. The man has one foot in the grave, and the other is slipping.
I did not see your other post, but the GOP is looking for their ideal candidate as the veep this time around. Hmmm, how about Kay Bailey Hutchinson? :D :P
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hueyshort Donating Member (293 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-08-08 06:05 PM
Response to Reply #116
118. "Dream Ticket" my Ass. This is another Rove Tactic
Hillary needs Wesley Clark in order to beat McCain. Two minorities make for a weak ticket.
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Ian_walker Donating Member (496 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-08-08 06:10 PM
Response to Reply #118
120. DREAM TICKET it gives NeoConMen Nightmares
DREAM TICKET it gives NeoConMen Nightmares. It is the gift that just keeps giving

16 Years. 16 YEARS! SIXTEEN YEARS!
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formernaderite Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-08-08 08:25 PM
Response to Reply #118
153. hate to break it to you-
but women are NOT a minority in this country.
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Ian_walker Donating Member (496 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-08-08 10:08 PM
Response to Reply #153
174. NeoConMen often make that same mistake about women
Great reply should have spotted that one myself "Oh the embarrassment"
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Auntie Bush Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-09-08 09:04 PM
Response to Reply #118
286. I like that kind of thinking.
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Ian_walker Donating Member (496 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-09-08 09:07 PM
Response to Reply #286
287. Women are not minority. There are more women voters than men...
As at least two people have already pointed out.
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peaches2003 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-08-08 07:00 PM
Response to Reply #15
137. She has every reason to want him
Her negatives are so high and she is so polarizing that Hillary is not going to get anymore voters than she already has and it's not enough. She NEEDS Obama to bring independents and his supporters to her. Only thing is, Barack's Dem voters are not going to vote for her and will sit out this election. Obama gains nothing being her VP.
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Ian_walker Donating Member (496 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-08-08 07:09 PM
Response to Reply #137
141. Dream Ticket is what the Democratic Party Voters want
They want that Democratic Party landslide.
The want to bury the NeoConmen.
They want to be at the Democratic Party conference shouting "16 Years. 16 YEARS! SIXTEEN YEARS!"
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City Lights Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-08-08 08:30 PM
Response to Reply #137
155. My point was that her own reason for declaring him unqualified for
the presidency should also disqualify him from the vice presidency, since one never knows when or if a vice president will need to ascend to the presidency. In short, she's full of shit.
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Ian_walker Donating Member (496 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-09-08 03:31 PM
Response to Reply #155
229. UNITY is about the whole Democratic Party
It means all Democratic Party supporters need to start talking UNITY.
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Auntie Bush Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-09-08 09:16 PM
Response to Reply #155
288. So are some posters around here! If the shoe fits...wear it! You look good in it.
If Obama has 8 years of experience as VP...he'll be in a perfect position
to win the presidency. No way he couldn't win eight years from now! It's a sure bet he'd be the first black President. If he wins the nomination now...maybe he'll be president...maybe not. If he does win...maybe Dems win the presidency 8 years from now...maybe no! I'd rather have a sure win.
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Ian_walker Donating Member (496 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-10-08 02:29 AM
Response to Reply #288
295. The important thing is UNITY
UNITY is what will win
UNITY will mean a landslide Democratic Party Presidency
UNITY will give the Democratic Party Strategic Momentum
UNITY will give the Democratic Party control of the House of Representatives
UNITY will give the Democratic Party control of the Senate
UNITY will bury the NeoConMen
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AlinPA Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-08-08 09:36 PM
Response to Reply #137
169. Yep, it's the voters who matter, not candidates' egos. With the trashing
Clinton has done to Obama, his supporters are pissed.
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Ian_walker Donating Member (496 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-09-08 03:17 PM
Response to Reply #169
228. UNITY is about the whole Democratic Party
All Democratic Party supporters will have to get behind the Democratic Party Nomination, and if you are a real Democratic Party supporter you will do.
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AlinPA Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-09-08 03:39 PM
Response to Reply #228
233. It is about voters (The Democratic party), not the candidates. They will decide how much to unite.
That's why candidates trashing each other is not good for Democrats. That's my only point.
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Ian_walker Donating Member (496 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-09-08 03:50 PM
Response to Reply #233
236. UNITY is what wins. UNITY is a landslide. UNITY is 16 years!
Unity is indevisable so you cannot decide "how much to unite" it is an interesting tactic you are using, straight out of the NeoConMen's handbook called dividing the Democratic party 101...

UNITY is strategy and it beats tactical ego trips hands down every time.

Howard Dean is the Democratic Party strategist. I will take his opinion on Strategy over anyone elses.

And DREAM TICKET is a real strategy and not some tactic of a candidates or their supporters ego.

I want UNITY.
UNITY is the NeoConMen having living Nightmare
UNITY is 16 years
UNITY is a Democratic party landslide
UNITY is Strategic Momentum
UNITY is a Democratic Party House of Representatives landslide
UNITY is a Democratic Party Senate landslide
UNITY is the NeoConMen buried
I want UNITY
I want the DREAM TICKET

Now that is a strategy.
What was that tactic you were on about?
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AlinPA Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-09-08 05:15 PM
Response to Reply #236
252. I'm a Democrat. Your implying that I am a neocon is an insult.
People's perceptions are what matter in politics. That's how people decide their choices of candidates and policies when voting. Not based on some strategy handed down. It is simply not how Democrats make their decisions, otherwise we would only have one candidate with people going around saying "UNITE, UNITE".
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Ian_walker Donating Member (496 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-09-08 05:20 PM
Response to Reply #252
254. UNITY is about loyalty
It is about getting behind the Democratic party Nomination no matter who was your candidate.

UNITY is strategy and strategy beats tactics hand over fist that is why the NeoConMen have nightmares about it.
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Zhade Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-09-08 01:01 AM
Response to Reply #15
199. She's inexperienced and LOSING, so it's not like she gets a say in the matter.
NT!

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Ian_walker Donating Member (496 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-09-08 04:49 PM
Response to Reply #199
248. UNITY is what gives NeoConMen Nightmares...
I love giving Nightmares to NeoConMen

DREAM TICKET you know it makes sense!

UNITY the gift that just keeps giving... NeoConMen Nightmares
DREAM TICKET another gift that just keeps giving... NeoConMen Nightmares

Terrify a NeoConMan today. While Drinking coffee in the Mall say to your Friend DREAM TICKET. Even if you whisper it a NeoConMen will hear it clear across the other side of the Mall. Try it really works.

And I do love giving NeoConMen Nightmares. And winding up the Rove trolls on this forum is just Soooo Much fun!

DREAM TICKET what all NeoConMen Hate. Winding up the Rove Trolls on this forum really is fun!

The NeoConMen hate Obama
The NeoConMen hate Clinton
The NeoConMen hate Kerry
The NeoConMen hate Bill Clinton
The NeoConMen hate Gore
The NeoConMen hate JFK
The NeoConMen hate Carter
The NeoConMen even hate their very own McCain
The NeoConMen hate every single Democratic Party candidate they always have and always will.

HATE is all they do. Winding up the Rove trolls on this forum IS Soooo Much fun!

They account for less than 30% of voters and declining. They have some loud mouthpieces like Fox and Talk Radio and the rest of the NeoConMen's media.

Their time is ended.

All they have left is Hate. Winding up the Rove Trolls on this forum is Soooo Much fun!

UNITY trumps hate every time. Winding up the Rove Trolls on this forum is Soooo Much fun!

That is what the United States of America is based on.

And America is sick of them. They are sick of the NeoConMen damaging the US economy. They are sick of the Iraq war. They are sick of the American image being dragged through the mud. They sick of the NeoConMen raping our planet. The sick of the NeoConMen's Tax Debt. They sick of rising gas at the pump. They are sick of the dollar in their pocket being worth half of what it was. They are sick of it all. Most of all they are sick of the NeoConMen and their lies and deceit. And they are hungry for change.

UNITY is what will win.
UNITY is what the NeoConMen fear
UNITY is the Gift that keeps giving...NeoConMen Nightmares
UNITY is a landslide
UNITY is Strategic Momentum
UNITY is 16 years of power
UNITY is a Democratic Party House of Representatives
UNITY is a Democratic Party Senate
UNITY is the NeoConMen buried
UNITY will beat hate! Winding up the Rove Trolls on this forum is Soooo Much fun!
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PetraPooh Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-08-08 03:25 PM
Response to Reply #8
22. Exactly, if he picks her as VP, I will seriously question his ...sanity.
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Zachstar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-08-08 03:30 PM
Response to Reply #22
28. I will as well.
Also keep in mind the polls said they wanted Clinton to continue even if she lost Texas and Ohio.

The dream ticket idea is media bullshit. It will not happen and whoever tries to extend their hand will quickly alienate the many supporters behind the campaign.

I said I will not vote for Clinton.. That includes her as VP. I have no double standards here.
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Ian_walker Donating Member (496 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-08-08 04:00 PM
Response to Reply #28
48. Check the first pinned topic in this section of the forum
You will get behind who ever is the Democratic Party candidate. No if buts or maybes.

Your candidate will tell you to do so. And if you are a real Democratic Party suporter and not some random Rove Troll you will do so.
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Zachstar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-08-08 04:11 PM
Response to Reply #48
56. Um no..
Edited on Sat Mar-08-08 04:11 PM by Zachstar
Got that? Good.. I am not going to vote for Clinton just so I can post on DU. And the admin team ought to check out people like you for a banning due to making threats like that.

And no I am not some damn Rove Troll. I have been on DU for years... do some research!
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Ian_walker Donating Member (496 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-08-08 04:16 PM
Response to Reply #56
62. Um yes
And I have not threatened you.
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PetraPooh Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-08-08 04:39 PM
Response to Reply #48
80. Exactly wrong, the admins can force us not to comment about Hillary, but
Edited on Sat Mar-08-08 04:39 PM by PetraPooh
they cannot force us to vote for a ticket that she is on.
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Ian_walker Donating Member (496 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-08-08 05:03 PM
Response to Reply #80
96. UNITY is what wins. UNITY is a landslide. UNITY is 16 years!
Unity is far more important than ego.
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Egnever Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-08-08 05:09 PM
Response to Reply #96
100. Hillary gone is what wins
I don't want her anywhere near the presidency EVER!. I find her vile.

Unity can kiss my ass. She is poison and if she is on his ticket I will be hard pressed to vote for even that. I am crystal clear on what she is and IMHO she IS a monster. Clinton doesn't know what unity is. She is the opposite of unity.
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Ian_walker Donating Member (496 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-08-08 05:11 PM
Response to Reply #100
103. Democratic party supporters get behind the candidate
That is what UNITY is about. The question you have to ask your self is are you a Democratic Party supporter?
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PetraPooh Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-08-08 06:14 PM
Response to Reply #100
121. I agree.
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Ian_walker Donating Member (496 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-09-08 05:07 PM
Response to Reply #121
250. UNITY is what wins. No candidate can win without it.
Any candidate who does not sign up to Democratic Party UNITY will loose the nomiation.

NO IF BUTS OR MAYBES.

Delegates will not vote for a candidate who is against Democratic Party UNITY.

Either or BOTH candidates can make the UNITY speech.

It is a quick draw competition and Clinton is going for the gun.
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indimuse Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-09-08 05:26 PM
Response to Reply #96
257. good point.
... :)
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Zhade Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-09-08 01:06 AM
Response to Reply #48
202. Fuck you, you don't tell people how they vote.
If you actually read and understood the thread you mentioned, it merely says not to tear down the nominee.

Since that won't be Clinton, we'll be safe to continue revealing her nasty side. I mean, when she doesn't put it out there herself.

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Ian_walker Donating Member (496 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-10-08 05:47 PM
Response to Reply #202
303. The Democratic Party voters and their Delegates will decide
And there is still a third of the votes to go.
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Ian_walker Donating Member (496 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-08-08 03:27 PM
Response to Reply #8
24. Because UNITY is more important than your or your candidates ego
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CatnHat Donating Member (669 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-09-08 01:46 AM
Response to Reply #8
215. The truth is
it's about politics and votes. That's the only reason. It a fucking stalemate; and the only way to break the stalemate is putting the two on same ticket. I don't like it, I am a Clinton supporter. Hillary would be far wiser to chose Wesley Clark. It's a shame that an upstart like Obama is destroying the democratic party. He knows he not ready, it's his ego and his delusional fans that are causing this mess. Obama should leave the democratic party and start his own party, and see how far he would get. Why not, his supporters don't support the party, they support only the man. Obama is not good for the party. He is a divider, not a "uniter" period.
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Ian_walker Donating Member (496 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-10-08 03:10 PM
Response to Reply #8
302. The Strategic UNITY Speech solves all problems
Both candidates are eminently qualified to be the Democratic Party Nomination for President
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bluestateguy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-08-08 03:09 PM
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2. I could live with Hillary as Vice President
Not my top choice, but if it has to be done to unify the party, we should take one for the team.
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Ian_walker Donating Member (496 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-08-08 03:17 PM
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12. Get Obama to make the UNITY speech then
Chris Weigant originaly posted the UNITY speech as an Obama speech but Obama waited too long, check for your self. I would prefer the Strategic winning UNITY speech by both candidates but either will do it.

Below I have rewritten the quick draw competition version of the Chris Weigant speech (follow this link for the original version of the speech)
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/chris-weigant/how-obama-c...

I call it the quick draw competition because the Candidate who first makes this speech wins the the unity and undecided voters of the Democratic party and with this middle ground the Democratic nomination for President. They also win the Super Delegates because they are the long term members of the Democratic Party and will vote for the Unity Candidate.

THE TACTICAL WINNING SPEECH

"I would like to address the people in the Democratic Party for a moment.

Our party is now pretty equally divided between myself and Senator (Obama/Clinton). The race is about tied. We are obviously the two strongest candidates this party has to offer to win the White House in 2008. We both have our relative strengths, and much of the electorate is genuinely conflicted over who to select in the voting booth. Some say this is fracturing our party, but I don't believe that is true. The Republican Party is divided because of antipathy among their different factions -- but I'm proud to say that our party is conflicted over who is the best between two very good choices.

So I would like to take this opportunity to offer Senator (Obama/Clinton). the Vice Presidential spot on the Democratic ticket, should I be nominated for President. Should they be nominated, and should they offer the same to me, I am publicly saying I would accept that as well. I think both of us should get behind the idea of a 'dream ticket' right here on this stage. I challenge my opponent to do the same."
Cue Instant pandemonium! Among loud cheers and a few groans from supporters of the candidate that did not make the speech.

This version of the speech leaves the contest open but runs it without internecine war and unites the whole Democratic Party. I wonder if Pelossi, Howard Dean, Chris Redfern, George Stephanopoulos and the growing number of other Democrats are mediating how the deal can be done? A joint non aggression pact of not putting out tactical version of the Chris Weigant speech instead to put out this strategic version of the speech.

THE STRATEGIC WINNING SPEECH
"We would like instead to address the people in the Democratic Party for a moment.

Our party is now pretty equally divided between ourselves. The race is about tied. We are obviously the two strongest candidates this party has to offer to win the White House in 2008. We both have our relative strengths, and much of the electorate is genuinely conflicted over who to select in the voting booth. Some say this is fracturing our party, but we don't believe that is true. The Republican Party is divided because of antipathy among their different factions -- but we are proud to say that our party is conflicted over who is the best between two very good choices.

So we would like to take this opportunity to offer each other the Vice Presidential spot on the Democratic ticket, should we be nominated by the party for President. Should the other be nominated, we are publicly saying we would accept that as well. We think both of us should get behind the idea of a 'dream ticket' right here on this stage. We challenge our party to do the same."
Cue very long standing ovation

The choice is there for the candidates to take.

That it will be a Democrat who is next President of the USA there is no doubt.

But it has become a quick draw competition, to see which one says the magic two words first:
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anigbrowl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-08-08 03:17 PM
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13. Yeah, but could Obama?
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bluestateguy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-08-08 03:21 PM
Response to Reply #13
18. History is full of presidents and vice presidents who disliked each other

Adams and Jefferson (they reconciled years later)
Jackson and Calhoun
FDR and "Cactus" Jack Garner
FDR and Henry Wallace
JFK and LBJ
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musicblind Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-08-08 04:09 PM
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54. You could add Reagan and Bush to that list!
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Ian_walker Donating Member (496 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-09-08 02:08 PM
Response to Reply #54
227. UNITY is the winning strategy
You can tell that by how much the NeoConMen fear it.
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noel711 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-08-08 04:13 PM
Response to Reply #18
59. But none of the above-mentioned
teams had a spouse who was a former president.

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Ian_walker Donating Member (496 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-09-08 03:35 PM
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231. I do not think that is very relevant. Strategy is what wins. And UNITY is strategy
It has some nice tactical flavours but there are plenty of former presidents to aask questions.

UNITY is Strategy not a tactic. And Strategy beats tactics hands down, every time.
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Cha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-08-08 04:20 PM
Response to Reply #18
67. So? Much of history
sucked, too.
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Ian_walker Donating Member (496 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-09-08 04:57 PM
Response to Reply #67
249. UNITY is the winning strategy
UNITY is a real strategy

UNITY is 16 years in power. What is it you offer?
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Ian_walker Donating Member (496 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-09-08 09:16 PM
Response to Reply #13
289. Either or Both Candidates can make the UNITY speech and be the UNITY candidate
But they need to Sh*t and get off the potty.

Obama has to start talking Unity or the Democratic party will start to see him as disuniting the Democratic Party.
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woolldog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-08-08 03:26 PM
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23. No way.
The problem for Obama with that arrangement is that she would constantly be trying to usurp his power. She would have her own base, advisers from Bill's administration working for her; she's extremely secretive and would probably keep information from him and feel little loyalty to him. It could be a huge potential disaster in the Constitutional sense, with the VP constantly trying to overrule the President and using the resources of the government to achieve her political and personal ambitions, to the embarrassment of the president (look at Filegate for example, her fingerprints were all over that)

It could turn out to be a real nightmare for him.

The number 1 quality in a VP is loyalty. And by the way she's run this race she has no loyalty to party, only to herself.
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Ian_walker Donating Member (496 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-08-08 04:06 PM
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51. UNITY is about loyalty
If either or Both candidates make UNITY speech it binds them.
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goclark Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-08-08 08:48 PM
Response to Reply #51
161. Didn't they both sign off on the FL and MI vote?

I wouldn't trust HC to keep her word on anything.
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Zhade Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-09-08 01:08 AM
Response to Reply #161
203. Yes. We see what her word is worth - nothing.
NT!

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Ian_walker Donating Member (496 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-09-08 01:59 PM
Response to Reply #203
225. UNITY is about the whole Democratic Party
Unity is what will bury the NeoConMen
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Ian_walker Donating Member (496 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-10-08 02:10 PM
Response to Reply #161
300. UNITY solves the impasse. Unity heals all wounds.
The Obama campaign is now talking UNITY they think Clinton could be their VP
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PetraPooh Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-08-08 04:40 PM
Response to Reply #23
82. Wise and well said reply.
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surfin Donating Member (250 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-08-08 03:53 PM
Response to Reply #2
42. No, let us end the bush clinton hold on the white house
weed out the clinton bushes.

I am a strong Obama supporter but I will not vote for that ticket because it will be all a lie about change.

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Ian_walker Donating Member (496 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-08-08 04:03 PM
Response to Reply #42
49. If you are Democratic Party supporter you will support the Democratic Candidate
And their choice of VP. No if buts or maybes.
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Abacus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-08-08 04:12 PM
Response to Reply #2
58. Ditto. While not my preference, I could get excited about Obama/Clinton
if it means we can get to work on the GE immediately.
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goclark Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-09-08 08:46 AM
Response to Reply #58
220. Wouldn't love it but if he said it was OK
I would support it.

Would he be able to hire some of his child hood friends to stand behind him night and day so they can watch his back~don't trust her, she would do anything.
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Ian_walker Donating Member (496 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-09-08 03:32 PM
Response to Reply #220
230. UNITY is what wins. UNITY is a landslide. UNITY is 16 years!
UNITY is the real strategy

So far only one candidate has said the Dream Ticket is on the cards.

Clinton has been saying it is the way to go and recognises that the voters want it.
Obama needs to start talking UNITY or he will loose.

UNITY is about both candidates and their supporters, uniting behind both candidates and the Democratic Party to pursue a strategic victory of 16 years in power; in the Presidency, Senate and Congress.

Below I have rewritten the quick draw competition version of the Chris Weigant speech (follow this link for the original version of the speech)
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/chris-weigant/how-obama-c...

I call it the quick draw competition because the Candidate who first makes this speech wins the the unity and undecided voters of the Democratic party and with this middle ground the Democratic nomination for President. They also win the Super Delegates because they are the long term members of the Democratic Party and will vote for the Unity Candidate.

THE TACTICAL WINNING SPEECH

"I would like to address the people in the Democratic Party for a moment.

Our party is now pretty equally divided between myself and Senator (Obama/Clinton). The race is about tied. We are obviously the two strongest candidates this party has to offer to win the White House in 2008. We both have our relative strengths, and much of the electorate is genuinely conflicted over who to select in the voting booth. Some say this is fracturing our party, but I don't believe that is true. The Republican Party is divided because of antipathy among their different factions -- but I'm proud to say that our party is conflicted over who is the best between two very good choices.

So I would like to take this opportunity to offer Senator (Obama/Clinton). the Vice Presidential spot on the Democratic ticket, should I be nominated for President. Should they be nominated, and should they offer the same to me, I am publicly saying I would accept that as well. I think both of us should get behind the idea of a 'dream ticket' right here on this stage. I challenge my opponent to do the same."
Cue Instant pandemonium! Among loud cheers and a few groans from supporters of the candidate that did not make the speech.

This version of the speech leaves the contest open but runs it without internecine war and unites the whole party. I wonder if Pelossi, Howard Dean, Chris Redfern, George Stephanopoulos and the growing number of other Democrats are mediating how the deal can be done? A joint non aggression pact of not putting out tactical version of the Chris Weigant speech instead to put out this strategic version of the speech.

THE STRATEGIC WINNING SPEECH
"We would like instead to address the people in the Democratic Party for a moment.

Our party is now pretty equally divided between ourselves. The race is about tied. We are obviously the two strongest candidates this party has to offer to win the White House in 2008. We both have our relative strengths, and much of the electorate is genuinely conflicted over who to select in the voting booth. Some say this is fracturing our party, but we don't believe that is true. The Republican Party is divided because of antipathy among their different factions -- but we are proud to say that our party is conflicted over who is the best between two very good choices.

So we would like to take this opportunity to offer each other the Vice Presidential spot on the Democratic ticket, should we be nominated by the party for President. Should the other be nominated, we are publicly saying we would accept that as well. We think both of us should get behind the idea of a 'dream ticket' right here on this stage. We challenge our party to do the same."
Cue very long standing ovation

The choice is there for the candidates to take.

That it will be a Democrat who is next President of the USA there is no doubt.

But it has become a quick draw competition, to see which one says the magic two words first:

DREAM TICKET

And Clinton's finger is a hairs breadth from the trigger,

Because the polarize-able supporters are decided and wedded to their camp. Obama-ite or Clinton-ite. Those will stay with their candidate. The people the contest is now being fought over are the vast majority of unity Democrats. They sway one then they sway the other. What sways them most is punishing those who attack Democrats. Voters showed in New Hampshire and Michigan what can happen to a candidate or camp who is not out to unite. They also punished Obama in Texas and Ohio for assuming he was more important than the party.

Howard Dean has said he does not want to be at the Democratic convention mediating the candidate. The Super Delegates will ignore all the fake democrats the GOP sent to game the Democratic Party nomination in Red States and they will vote their conscience and vote for the Democratic Party Unity Candidate whom so ever that may be.

The first Candidate to say they will take Democratic party down the unity road to the DREAM TICKET will win all those voters in the middle.

Because; what true democrat, would be satisfied with just Four or Eight years of Democrat Rule?

That is the reason NeoConMen are Terrified of two little words:

DREAM TICKET

Why do the GOP have nightmares about it?

Why is DREAM TICKET the thousand pound guerrilla sitting among all the breakables in the dainty GOP room?

Why do NeoConMen glance at it and then hold their hands up to blinker their eyes, muttering "Can't see it, Can't see it, Can't see it." hopping that will make it go away?

Because as any loyal Democrat can see, it is not just a single candidate or a mere 4 or 8 years of presidency.

It means a raft of candidates for both presidency, congress and senate; and time enough in office that they can bring about true change and the dawn of a New Democratic Age for America.

It means Democrats at their convention with the next two winning candidates already lined up and shouting "16 years, Sixteen Years, SIXTEEN YEARS!"

Because voters throughout the country are now hungry for change.

They are sick of the Republicans damaging the US economy. They are sick of the Iraq war. They are sick of the American image being dragged through the mud. They sick of rising gas at the pump. They are sick of the dollar in their pocket being worth half of what it was. They are sick of it all. Most of all they are sick of the NeoConMen and their lies and deceit. And they are hungry for change.

If McCain has the GOP nomination over the Conservative Huckabee it just proves voters want a liberal in charge. McCain just means the Democrats have already won the next election he is already behind in the polls against both Democratic Party Candidates and that means voters even former Republicans are hungry for change. Voters hungry for change are not going to go for the half fat liberal McCain. If you want a liberal in charge your going to VOTE THE FULL CREAM and vote Democrat, Obama or Clinton.

BUT frighten a NeoConMan today with just two simple words.

DREAM TICKET!

Because that would not be just a tactical victory of a four to eight year presidency. That would be the STRATEGIC victory of a Democratic Age. That is why "Obama-Clinton or a Clinton-Obama ticket." is the Ticket that gives the NeoConMen nightmares. And the first Candidate to articulate that they will move the Democratic party to the DREAM TICKET will win that candidacy.

No If Buts or Maybes THE CANDIDATE WHO SAYS IT WILL BE the Democrat Candidate and the next President of the United States of America.
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Ian_walker Donating Member (496 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-09-08 03:37 PM
Response to Reply #220
232. UNITY is what wins. UNITY is a landslide. UNITY is 16 years!
UNITY is a strategy. Ego is just tactics.
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closeupready Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-08-08 04:51 PM
Response to Reply #2
89. I agree.
n/t
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noel711 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-08-08 03:12 PM
Response to Original message
4. Dream ticket?
In whose dream?

Sounds like a nightmare....

Two people working 'together' who don't trust one another.

Is that your idea of a 'dream'?
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Ian_walker Donating Member (496 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-08-08 03:46 PM
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37. It is only a nightmare for the NeoConMen
Both candidates have said different to you. Are you saying that you do not trust both of them? Because that is what it sounds like. Is something slipping?
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noel711 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-08-08 04:06 PM
Response to Reply #37
52. I dont' trust one of them..
She has proven that she is not trustworthy
by undercutting her democratic brother.

How can he trust her when she openly declared
that McCain was more suited to be president
than he is?

Knife in the back?
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surfin Donating Member (250 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-08-08 03:54 PM
Response to Reply #4
43. Nightmare ticket more like it
Obama/Monster, no way.
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Ian_walker Donating Member (496 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-08-08 03:57 PM
Response to Reply #43
46. Here is nightmare for you NeoConMen
16 years, Sixteen Years, SIXTEEN YEARS!

That is the reason NeoConMen are Terrified of two little words:

DREAM TICKET

Why do the GOP have nightmares about it?

Why is DREAM TICKET the thousand pound guerrilla sitting among all the breakables in the dainty GOP room?

Why do NeoConMen glance at it and then hold their hands up to blinker their eyes, muttering "Can't see it, Can't see it, Can't see it." hopping that will make it go away?

Because as any loyal Democrat can see, it is not just a single candidate or a mere 4 or 8 years of presidency.

It means a raft of candidates for both presidency, congress and senate; and time enough in office that they can bring about true change and the dawn of a New Democratic Age for America.

It means Democrats at their convention with the next two winning candidates already lined up and shouting "16 years, Sixteen Years, SIXTEEN YEARS!"

Because voters throughout the country are now hungry for change.

They are sick of the Republicans damaging the US economy. They are sick of the Iraq war. They are sick of the American image being dragged through the mud. They sick of rising gas at the pump. They are sick of the dollar in their pocket being worth half of what it was. They are sick of it all. Most of all they are sick of the NeoConMen and their lies and deceit. And they are hungry for change.

If McCain has the GOP nomination over the Conservative Huckabee it just proves voters want a liberal in charge. McCain just means the Democrats have already won the next election he is already behind in the polls against both Democratic Party Candidates and that means voters even former Republicans are hungry for change. Voters hungry for change are not going to go for the half fat liberal McCain. If you want a liberal in charge your going to VOTE THE FULL CREAM and vote Democrat, Obama or Clinton.

BUT frighten a NeoConMan today with just two simple words.

DREAM TICKET!
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musicblind Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-08-08 04:12 PM
Response to Reply #4
57. The dream of the "vast majority" (directly quote from newsweek)
of the democratic party. A nightmare for republicans and republican supporters however ...
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Ian_walker Donating Member (496 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-08-08 04:24 PM
Response to Reply #57
68. Republicans will be left with only 30% of the vote
Most polls give the Dream Ticket a two to one victory at the GE.

NeoConmen will be left with a bare rump.
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Eurobabe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-08-08 04:31 PM
Response to Reply #4
76. Wet dream ticket, more like it. They hate each other now.
Ain't gonna happen.
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Ian_walker Donating Member (496 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-08-08 05:06 PM
Response to Reply #76
98. Both candidates have said they trust the other.
Both candidates will get behind the Democratic Party candidate who so ever that is. The question is will you?
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Eurobabe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-08-08 05:25 PM
Response to Reply #98
105. I don't know what drugs you are taking
but it is very clear that these two do not like each other. Hillary is trying to hitch her tainted star to Obama, he however, does not need her.
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Ian_walker Donating Member (496 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-08-08 06:33 PM
Response to Reply #105
127. NeoConMen might like to dream that I prefer to give them Nightmares
16 years. 16 YEARS! SIXTEEN YEARS!
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yourguide Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-08-08 03:13 PM
Response to Original message
5. and about 90% of Obama supporters
do NOT.


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eleny Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-08-08 03:15 PM
Response to Reply #5
9. That's how I feel
We don't need another Cheneyesque Veep.
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Zhade Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-09-08 01:10 AM
Response to Reply #9
205. No doubt! Cheney says HE gets to pick his powers, too.
NT!

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Ian_walker Donating Member (496 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-08-08 03:50 PM
Response to Reply #5
40. Poll say you are wrong. Now where is you counter argument?
I am waiting.
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yourguide Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-08-08 03:58 PM
Response to Reply #40
47. Here you go, and we're off
Edited on Sat Mar-08-08 04:15 PM by yourguide
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.ph...


My apologies...based on this poll it appears 96% of Obama supporters dont want to see this happen. I figured 90% might be a stretch but as it turns out, not so much.





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musicblind Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-08-08 04:18 PM
Response to Reply #47
64. No, that says that 90% of Obama supporters on DU
do not support this ticket. I hope you understand that DU is a fringe organization that does not represent reality. It represents the most radical .001 percent of the democratic party. If even THAT much. All polls have proven you wrong. That would be like my taking a poll in my own house hold, asking how cool the Bryant family was on a scale of 1 to 10. It would be horribly biased.

Here are some MORE polls that shoot down your skewed, biased, unscientific poll from DU.

These are from CNN's OWN exit polls last Tuesday!

Ohio
73% of democrats would be satisfied with Clinton as the nominee
66% of democrats would be satisfied if Obama is the nominee

Texas
71% of democrats would be satisfied with Clinton as the nominee
65% of democrats would be satisfied with Obama as the nominee

Rhode Island
75% of democrats would be satisfied with Clinton as the nominee
63% of democrats would be satisfied with Obama as the nominee

and now in Vermont which is extremely hostile territory for Clinton and very pro-Obama

Vermont
70% of democrats would be satisfied with Clinton as the nominee
82% of democrats would be satisfied with Obama as the nominee


These numbers, as well as every other poll taken on the subject PROVE you wrong. There is no wiggle room. DU is an echo chamber that serves as a place for the most radical to express their points of view because we need a place like this... since society does not accept or agree with us. I admit that I am a HARDCORE democrat and do not represent the real world, however these polls DO represent the real world. The mere IDEA that you would use a poll taken on DU to demonstrate anything what-so-ever shows a great intellectual failing.
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yourguide Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-08-08 04:27 PM
Response to Reply #64
72. I can assure you
what shows a great intellectual failing is you underestimating the Obama supporters. I suggested that the bulk of Obama supporters would not find this an appropriate solution.

The truth is I am so passionate about this candidate, as are many, and the clintons have done such a smear job on him that many of use do not feel like it would be a good thing.

Sorry my friend, Obama has brought so many new voters into the process that I think many of the supporters would have a hard time with this.

You should keep checking the poll numbers though, they also showed HRC would win Iowa and lose NH.


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musicblind Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-08-08 04:36 PM
Response to Reply #72
78. So why then are so many Obama supporters liars?
Your argument simply does not hold up. If you are not able to see DU for what it is, and realize that it does not represent the real world... rational discussion is lost on you. It's like trying to to explain religious understanding to a fanatical baptist. Once people are 100% convinced that they are right and no amount of evidence can persuade them otherwise all is lost in any conversation. There is no point. You can't change the mind of religion, and you can't change the mind of fanatical supporters who do not believe in things like "statistics" "polls" and "reality".

From the webster dictionary... Faith is: the "firm belief in something for which there is no proof"

Having blind faith has never helped society.

It is similar to people who are against evolution and point out places where science may have been off in the past as proof that science is not correct now.

To claim that 90% of Obama supporters would not favor a Obama/Clinton ticket because all of your friends on DU (an anecdotal fallacy) feel that way, and then claim that all the scientific evidence that proves you wrong is not true because scientist have been off a little about things in the past... that looks disturbing to any outsider. You should understand this. I do not believe that Obama's supporters follow a cult because I like Obama. But I do think that some people on DU live in an ethnocentric environment where they are unable to comprehend a place where people do not feel as they do.
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yourguide Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-08-08 04:38 PM
Response to Reply #78
79. and why are so many HRC supporters
pompous creeps?

I didnt even bother reading past your subject line...you are a waste of "teh internets"

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Ian_walker Donating Member (496 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-08-08 04:50 PM
Response to Reply #79
88. UNITY is about the whole Democratic Party
It is about getting behind the Democratic Party candidate whom so ever that may be
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yourguide Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-08-08 04:55 PM
Response to Reply #88
90. ROFL
not when a dem decides McCain would be a better leader than her democratic opponent.

Sorry, when your candidate starts showing some unity instead of scorched earth, then you can come back and talk to me and many of us about unity.


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Ian_walker Donating Member (496 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-08-08 10:00 PM
Response to Reply #90
173. I support BOTH candidates. I support UNITY. I support SIXTEEN YEARS
Edited on Sat Mar-08-08 10:01 PM by Ian_walker
I have made this clear on numerous occasions.

You also seem to assume that only Clinton the only UNITY candidate. A question I myself posed in another thread.

Obama needs to start thinking about answering the question.

I think your assessment of Obama is 100% wrong. The post you made makes me question if you are a true Obama supporter.

Obama is politically savvy enough to realise you can only succeed the Democratic Party if you are for UNITY.

I will say it again:

Either or BOTH candidates can make the UNITY speech.

The UNITY speech is what will decide the nomination.

It is a quick draw competition and Clinton's finger is a hair's breadth from the trigger.
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musicblind Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-08-08 04:58 PM
Response to Reply #79
93. If you had read past the subject line you would have clearly seen that I was not calling
Obama supporters liars. Jump to conclusions without all the information? Geesh. I am not pompous creep. I like Obama a lot. I also like Hillary a lot. And I LOVE Edwards. I am not, however, a fanatic, and am able to look at the bias on this board and realize that it does not represent the real world. It is a great place for me to find people who are like minded and tell them how much I wish the real world thought like they do... but it is not the real world.
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Ian_walker Donating Member (496 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-08-08 05:26 PM
Response to Reply #93
106. Not knocking you friend
I was just reminding the forum we have the odd Rove Troll about as well as their puppets and that is before we get to people who are so wrapped up in the own ego and view of their candidates that they cannot think straight.

I support both candidates and have never said a bad thing about either of them.

Because I want the Dream Ticket. That requires both candidates. If it means I take licks from both candidates over enthusiastic ego-fans as well as Rove Trolls and their puppets it makes no difference to me. It is text in forum... it rarely kills.
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musicblind Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-08-08 05:51 PM
Original message
Your posts are noble
you are standing up for a good cause in hostile territory.
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Ian_walker Donating Member (496 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-08-08 06:08 PM
Response to Original message
119. Not hard you just have to type faster than they can
As to their posts they can no hurt. I teach rock climbing for a living. I have lost 10 friends in 20 years now that hurts. :-(
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musicblind Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-09-08 12:40 AM
Response to Reply #119
194. omgsh. I am so sorry to hear that :(
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Ian_walker Donating Member (496 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-09-08 03:22 AM
Response to Reply #194
216. Kind of average in climbing.
I speak to other climbers. It seems to be a common experience. I have to say though with the exception of 8000m peaks most of the cases were kind of peripheral to the climbing.

The first friend died while waiting to climb he was sat on a large rock plinth above the sea when a freak wave came and swept him away, his body was never recovered.
The second was an 8000m climber he was never found. So we do not know what happened.
The third died when she was soling a simple access route, she was a top competition climber. I like her had soloed that route many times.
The fourth was an Alpine climber a bolt used for abseil sheered.
The fifth was lost on a Peruvian mountain I believe his body was finally recovered. Though I still do not know exactly what happened. Peruvian mountains are similar in nature to the 8000m peaks of the Himalayas
The sixth was frozen to death in Scotland after leaving the shelter of his snow hole.
The seventh was a solo accident but proper climbing on hard route.
The eighth was someone killed by a falling rock while climbing.
The ninth was someone killed by a falling rock while he was walking along the bottom of the cliff
The tenth died of high altitude pulmonary edema on an 8000m peak with people round him.

Anything above 7500m is the death zone. All the time you are there you are dieing. 8000m climbing is very dangerous about 10 times more that rock climbing. I know hundreds of rock climbers but only about 10 or so 8000m climbers.

Soloing is climbing without a rope I do it rarely but do on occasions do it.

So far I have been lucky. One serious ground fall that bruised my feet so bad I had to crawl down the mountain through brambles and nettles (European equivalent of poison oak has minute little crystal splinters full of Oxalic acid covering it). I am very old school when it comes falling and avoid it at all costs. One near miss with rock fall the size of old fashioned TV. Several bruises from smaller shingle type hits. A partial ungloved wrist Yuk while jamming on gritstone in Yorkshire in the UK; totally healed hardly any scar. A pinged A4 pulley, the loop that hold your finger tendons in a bit like the loops in a fishing rod. Squirted all the synovial fluid out of my left middle finger so it creaks a lot will not straighten and will have arthritis more as I get older. A right shoulder with a tendency to dislocate, hurts real bad when it does.

I still love climbing though.

There is a book by Joe Simpson called "This game of Ghosts" I recommend it as a good read but it also explains our attitude as climbers and how we feel about what happens.
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musicblind Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-08-08 05:51 PM
Response to Reply #106
114. gotta love them double posts ...
Edited on Sat Mar-08-08 05:52 PM by musicblind
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Ian_walker Donating Member (496 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-08-08 04:47 PM
Response to Reply #78
87. Because they are not real Obama supporters
Edited on Sat Mar-08-08 05:44 PM by Ian_walker
Obama would not give these people a second glance they are either fools or puppets or Rove Trolls.

REAL Obama supporter will support him when he tells them to get behind the Democratic Party candidate.
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yourguide Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-08-08 04:59 PM
Response to Reply #87
94. He has already stated
he has NO plans to be her VP...and I stand behind him on that 100%.


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Ian_walker Donating Member (496 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-08-08 05:53 PM
Response to Reply #94
115. Contrary to your assertion Obama has not ruled out being VP
Candidates plan to president not VP. They then agree to be VP when they cannot win the nomination.

If you do not understand this you do not understand politics.

And contrary to your assertion Obama has not ruled out being VP. He would be a fool if he did. i think many people in the post you made pointed this out to you already.

I am for BOTH candidates. I want a strategic Democratic Party victory. I want 16 years of Democratic party power. I love giving NeoConMen nightmares. I will get behind who ever is the Democratic Party candidate and their VP.

It is now quick draw competition and Clinton's finger is hairs breadth from the trigger...

Either or BOTH candidates can make the UNITY speech.
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yourguide Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-08-08 06:22 PM
Response to Reply #115
124. I'd bet my 401K on it
he wants no part of it.

The problem is, the unity speech this year would be based on scorched earth. Not interested, thanks.


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Ian_walker Donating Member (496 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-08-08 06:31 PM
Response to Reply #124
126. It is Obama's view that matter not yours.
No if buts or maybes. Obama has not ruled out being VP.

As I keep saying it is a quick draw competition, the Democratic Party voters have told the candidates they want the Dream Ticket. Either candidate ignores it at their peril.

Bill Clinton today said the Dream ticket is 'Unstoppable'

It is a quick draw competitionClintons finger is a hairs breadth fron the trigger...

Either or BOTH candidates can make the UNITY speech
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yourguide Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-08-08 06:50 PM
Response to Reply #126
133. I dont care what Bill says
I care what Obama says, and he has given ZERO indication he is even vaguely interested in VP.

HRCs campaign sucks, her negatives are huge, and if she wasnt married to Bill she would have been sent packing.

Sorry, she's behind and will lose.


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Ian_walker Donating Member (496 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-08-08 06:56 PM
Response to Reply #133
136. Obama has been very careful not rule out the Dream Ticket
He knows that if he did it would be political suicide.
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yourguide Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-08-08 07:55 PM
Response to Reply #136
145. And Obama has been even more careful not to
even speak of it, refer to it as such, or even appear at all likes he thinks it's a good idea...

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Ian_walker Donating Member (496 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-08-08 08:08 PM
Response to Reply #145
147. So you agree Obama has not ruled out the Dream Ticket.
Obama is a sensible politician.

He knows that what the Democratic Party prizes is UNITY.

UNITY means 16 years.
UNITY means a Democratic Party Landslide.
UNITY will bury the NeoConMen
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yourguide Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-08-08 08:15 PM
Response to Reply #147
148. on the contrary...
he has not said one positive thing about it. no way is it happening. even if she wins all of the remaining contests by 60% she is still behind in pledged. she's out. it's done.


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Ian_walker Donating Member (496 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-08-08 08:24 PM
Response to Reply #148
152. Obama can make the UNITY speech if he has the courage
As to pledged delegates, it is a statistical dead heat.

The Democratic Party voters have made it clear 69% of them want the Dream Ticket.
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yourguide Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-08-08 08:40 PM
Response to Reply #152
157. HA, are you stoned?
It's not a statistical dead heat. Do you understand how statistics work?

Pledged delegate total is 15% higher than HRCs

Obama: 1199
HRC: 1041

She has 41 more super delegates than Obama but no way in hell are the supers going to overturn the pledged delegates.

Go here: http://www.slate.com/features/delegatecounter /

now plug in todays results in WY 61 for obama 39% for HRC, now give HRC 60% of EVERY contest remaining and she STILL cant catch up with him in pledged.

He wants unity within the dem party, however it's not my idea of unity to circulate photos of a candidate in a turban to promote hate and fear and I would imagine it's not his either which is why he hasnt said ONE POSITIVE THING ABOUT THE NIGHTMARE TICKET.

HRC is OUT, face it, and many dems are glad.

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Ian_walker Donating Member (496 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-08-08 09:28 PM
Response to Reply #157
167. Dream Ticket Gives NeoConMen Nightmares
I see you think you are loosing the argument. The last refuge of those loosing an argument is personal abuse
HA, are you stoned?


The Dream Ticket is what give NeoConMen Nightmares.

Obama will never say he is against unity much as the NeoConMen would like him too. That is political suicide Obama ain't that dumb.

You might say it, but he will not. It makes me seriously question if you are a true Obama supporter but I have parsed your replies and even you dare not say it.

Because you realise that at the end of the process ALL Democratic Party supporters will get behind the Democratic Party Nomination for President.

Always keep it positive :-)

UNITY is what will win.
UNITY is what the NeoConMen fear
UNITY is the Gift that keeps giving...NeoConMen Nightmares
UNITY is 16 years of power
UNITY is a landslide
UNITY is a Democratic Party House of Representatives
UNITY is a Democratic Party Senate
UNITY is the NeoConMen buried

That is a really positive strategy.
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yourguide Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-09-08 09:26 AM
Response to Reply #167
221. Yes unity would have been an amazing idea
that is before your candidate chose to abandon it in favor of a smear campaign.

We want unity, but since HRC doesnt know or understand what unity is, we are all hoping she is eliminated from that equation.


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Ian_walker Donating Member (496 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-09-08 01:40 PM
Response to Reply #221
223. UNITY is the winning strategy
Edited on Sun Mar-09-08 01:45 PM by Ian_walker
So far the Democratic Party nomination is a Statistical Dead Heat.

The Facts
In terms of Delegates
Without Florida and Michigan Either candidate need 2,024 out of 4,047
Neither candidate is any where near that.
Obama has 1,387 or 52%
Clinton has 1,229 or 47%
Edwards (suspended not withdrawn) has 26 or 1%

Do the math
1,387 + 1,229 = 2,616 total Delegate Votes decided (we will ignore the half vote for now)
4,047 - 2,616 = 1,431 Delegate Votes still to be declared.
Now some of that is promised votes from super Delegates but there are still some 600 outstanding Delegate votes and about 300 Super Delegate votes to be decided.

Without Florida and Michigan Either candidate need 2,024 out of 4,047
If Florida's and Michigan's delegates are counted, the requirement is 2,207 votes out of 4,414 (now we had better see where that half vote went)

Oh and Clinton is ahead in the popular vote by about 32,000 ballots.

1,431 Delegate Votes still to be declared Now you can try to Fox news that in Floria that any way you want.

Me I will let the Democratic Party decide.

I will be happy with either of them as President.

It is a Dead Heat
So much so that Howard Dean has said on ABC television "If we have to sit the two candidates down together or their campaigns down together and try to figure out how to make peace and have a convention that's going to work, then that's fine,"

Howard Dean is the Democratic Party strategist. I will take his opinion on Strategy as being considerably more important than yours.

And DREAM TICKET is a real strategy and not some candidates or their supporters ego.

But
I want UNITY.
I want the NeoConMen to have living Nightmare
I want 16 years
I want a Democratic party landslide
I want Strategic Momentum
I want a Democratic Party House of Representatives landslide
I want a Democratic Party Senate landslide
I want the NeoConMen buried
I want UNITY
I want the DREAM TICKET

Now that is a strategy.
What was that tactic you were on about?
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BringBigDogBack Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-08-08 09:35 PM
Response to Reply #72
168. agree sir.
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Ian_walker Donating Member (496 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-08-08 09:48 PM
Response to Reply #72
171. 69% of Democratic voters now support the DREAM TICKET News Week Poll
So unless you are saying Obama has only 31% of the Democratic Party's backing you may wish to reconsider this remark.
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Ian_walker Donating Member (496 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-08-08 04:44 PM
Response to Reply #47
86. yourguide Your slanted poll fools no one fool
It is a poll with slanted questions.
It is only open people who on this forum who can answer it which means loads of Rove Trolls can vote.
It is not given to Democratic Party Voters
It has not statistical significance

yourguide Your slanted poll fools no one but your self and bunch of Rove Trolls :D :D :D
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yourguide Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-08-08 04:58 PM
Response to Reply #86
92. HAHAHAHAHA!
The polls are not slanted.

Again, I wouldnt put too much stock in polls anyway...they all had HRC winning in Iowa and losing in NH.

By the way yourself is actually 1 word, not two.
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Ian_walker Donating Member (496 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-09-08 03:39 PM
Response to Reply #92
234. 69% of Democratic voters now support the DREAM TICKET News Week Poll
Loosing your argument again? You can still only think tacticly you need to start thinking strategicly.

UNITY is a strategy. That is why Howard Dean supports it.
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noel711 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-08-08 04:15 PM
Response to Reply #40
61. Polls>?
Twas 'polls' who elected the numbnutz who currently
resides in the White House. I prefer to think for myself
and not allow myself to be swayed by 'polls' or 'other
people.'

This whole topic, raise by the Clintons, is her
last ditch effort to get in power. She knows she's not going
to get the nomination...I cannot and will not support this
stupid idea.
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Ian_walker Donating Member (496 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-09-08 04:18 PM
Response to Reply #61
245. UNITY is what wins. UNITY is a landslide. UNITY is 16 years!
UNITY is a lot bigger than a Candidates or their supporters ego.

UNITY is strategy.
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OPERATIONMINDCRIME Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-08-08 05:11 PM
Response to Reply #5
102. Wow. Did You Just Say That Only 34.4% Of Democratic Voters Support Obama?
Wow. :wow:
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Ian_walker Donating Member (496 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-08-08 05:41 PM
Response to Reply #102
111. Naughty Naughy!
Funny but naughty!

UNITY is what is important.
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TwilightGardener Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-08-08 03:13 PM
Response to Original message
6. Is this some kind of cut-and-paste email that's going around, or are you repeating yourself?
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Ian_walker Donating Member (496 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-08-08 03:19 PM
Response to Reply #6
14. I want the Democratic Party to win. What do you want?
I want the Democratic Party to win.
What do you want?
I want the Democratic Party to WIN BIG
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TwilightGardener Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-08-08 03:21 PM
Response to Reply #14
17. I want Obama to win. That's it. The soul of the Democratic party will die
if the parasitic Clintons are allowed to control the machinery again.
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Ian_walker Donating Member (496 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-08-08 03:31 PM
Response to Reply #17
29. The Democratic Party is more important than your or your candidates ego
I question whether you are anything more than Rove Troll at times. But if you are a true OBAMA supporter rather than just some Rove Troll you will get behind the Democratic Party candidate who ever they are.

I draw your attention to the top pinned post in this section of the forum
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TwilightGardener Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-08-08 03:42 PM
Response to Reply #29
36. LOL! Rove Troll! Nope, just someone who doesn't want to see her in the WH.
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Ian_walker Donating Member (496 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-08-08 11:17 PM
Response to Reply #36
180. Democratic party supporters get behind the candidate
Edited on Sat Mar-08-08 11:17 PM by Ian_walker
Whichever Democratic party candidate gets the nomination real Democratic party supporters get behind the candidate.
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scheming daemons Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-08-08 03:25 PM
Response to Reply #14
20. Then THINK STRATEGICALLY for a second....

Neither one does anything for the other in the GE against McCain.


BOTH of them need to boost their Foreign Policy creds to go against McCain.


Both Illinois and New York will be BLUE no matter which one is the nominee.


The VP has to be a STRATEGIC choice that will balance the ticket and ATTRACT INDEPENDENTS. It doesn't matter what the Dems want... whether it was 69% or 100%. Both Barack and Hillary would get 90% of the Dem votes.

The only way to win in November is to beat McCain among Independents.... and so you need someone who appeals to them and eases their fears about Hillary and Barack's lack of FP experience.


You're thinking with your heart, and not with your head.


If you want to win.... we need to get over the idea that either one of them is good for the other's ticket. They simply aren't.
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Ian_walker Donating Member (496 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-08-08 03:40 PM
Response to Reply #20
33. UNITY is what wins. UNITY is a landslide. UNITY is 16 years!
That is real strategic thinking you are talking tactics. Strategy is thinking long term. Like howard Dean does.

Your argument is minor level tactical one. And good stategy allows good tactic.
Consider:
McCain is Half-Fat-Liberal who is compromised both ways by his kow towing to Bush.
That is the reason NeoConMen are Terrified of two little words: DREAM TICKET

Why do the GOP have nightmares about it?Why is DREAM TICKET the thousand pound guerrilla sitting among all the breakables in the dainty GOP room?Why do NeoConMen glance at it and then hold their hands up to blinker their eyes, muttering "Can't see it, Can't see it, Can't see it." hopping that will make it go away?

Because as any loyal Democrat can see, it is not just a single candidate or a mere 4 or 8 years of presidency.

It means a raft of candidates for both presidency, congress and senate; and time enough in office that they can bring about true change and the dawn of a New Democratic Age for America.

It means Democrats at their convention with the next two winning candidates already lined up and shouting "16 years, Sixteen Years, SIXTEEN YEARS!"

Because voters throughout the country are now hungry for change.

They are sick of the Republicans damaging the US economy. They are sick of the Iraq war. They are sick of the American image being dragged through the mud. They sick of rising gas at the pump. They are sick of the dollar in their pocket being worth half of what it was. They are sick of it all. Most of all they are sick of the NeoConMen and their lies and deceit. And they are hungry for change.

If McCain has the GOP nomination over the Conservative Huckabee it just proves voters want a liberal in charge. McCain just means the Democrats have already won the next election he is already behind in the polls against both Democratic Party Candidates and that means voters even former Republicans are hungry for change. Voters hungry for change are not going to go for the half fat liberal McCain. If you want a liberal in charge your going to VOTE THE FULL CREAM and vote Democrat, Obama or Clinton.

BUT frighten a NeoConMan today with just two simple words.

DREAM TICKET!

DREAM TICKET is a land slide. UNITY is 16 years! UNITY is the end the NeoConMen!

Now that is STRATEGY!
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noel711 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-08-08 04:10 PM
Response to Reply #33
55. Unity can only be achieved thru trust....
and right now there's a huge lack of trust.

To say "Vote democratic, democratic party right or wrong'

is like that old slogan from a few years ago:

"America: love it or leave it."

Sorry, but it won't work. Team them up for what?
More divisiveness? More knife fights? More harsh
party lines?

And how could Obama work as VP with Bill Clinton
breathing down his neck?
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Ian_walker Donating Member (496 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-08-08 04:30 PM
Response to Reply #55
74. Both candidates have said they trust the other.
Simple fact both of them have said they are happy that the other is in the race.
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Exilednight Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-08-08 03:14 PM
Response to Original message
7. That leaves 31% who don't. That's a big number.
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Ian_walker Donating Member (496 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-08-08 03:25 PM
Response to Reply #7
21. It splits 15.5 percent to either candidates real base
Work it out these are people wedded to their particular candidate. Once their candidate gets on the UNITY road they will fall in line like good little soldiers.
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Exilednight Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-08-08 03:36 PM
Response to Reply #21
32. Well my days of being a soldier are over, and I don't fall in line. I'm an independent thinker now.
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Ian_walker Donating Member (496 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-08-08 03:52 PM
Response to Reply #32
41. Check the first pinned topic in this section of the forum
If your candidate tells you to get in line you will. No if buts or maybes
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Exilednight Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-08-08 03:57 PM
Response to Reply #41
45. Yeah, keep thinking that. All it says is that the DUers will not take action against the nominee...
and I will not. Just because I don't support Hillary as a nomineee doesn't mean I have to campaign against her here if she happens to win the nomination.
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Ian_walker Donating Member (496 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-08-08 04:18 PM
Response to Reply #45
63. Glad to hear you will be supporting the Democratic Party candidate and VP
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Exilednight Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-08-08 04:26 PM
Response to Reply #63
71. In that case, get your eye sight checked. I can not in good conscience support Hillary. I will....
be on here supporting Congressional races to keep the Democrats in control, but I WILL NOT support Hillary if she wins the nomination. I'll just keep my mouth shut on this website about my feelings as Hillary as President.
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Ian_walker Donating Member (496 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-08-08 08:45 PM
Response to Reply #71
159. Democratic party supporters get behind the candidate
UNITY is what will win.
UNITY is what the NeoConMen fear
UNITY is the Gift that keeps giving...NeoConMen Nightmares
UNITY is 16 years of power
UNITY is a landslide
UNITY is a Democratic Party House of Representatives
UNITY is a Democratic Party Senate
UNITY is the NeoConMen buried
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noel711 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-08-08 04:18 PM
Response to Reply #41
65. You remind me of something that happened...
in Germany in the '30s and '40s..

Trust us, trust the Party, fall in line,
and we'll win big... You think because you
keep repeating that meme over and over again
we'll swallow it and say: "Oh, we were wrong.
So sorry.. whatever you say.."

We are Democrats, progressives, and we have brains..
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musicblind Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-08-08 04:20 PM
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66. Not all of the 31 % are saying they will not vote for the ticket
Edited on Sat Mar-08-08 04:21 PM by musicblind
the vast majority of the 31 % WILL, they would just rather another candidate like Richardson, or Dodd for VP. However, NO OTHER CANDIDATE OPTION FOR VP gets 69 % of the vote. You have to be able to see this, no matter what your personal opinion is, correct?



Why is it that people are so ethnocentric... even in our their own lives... that they think the rest of the world simply MUST be in agreement with them, and are then shocked to find out that their assumption is untrue. Geesh.
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Ian_walker Donating Member (496 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-08-08 05:15 PM
Response to Reply #66
104. It is obvious what the Democratic Party voters want.
Either or BOTH candidates can make the UNITY speech

It is a quick draw competition and Clinton is just hairs predth from the trigger.
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Bucky Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-08-08 03:15 PM
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10. I don't see a second banana in this bunch
and I don't want to hurt Evan Bayh's feelings.
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AtomicKitten Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-08-08 03:16 PM
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11. Hillary is trying desperately to staple her lame ass to the ticket.
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Ian_walker Donating Member (496 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-08-08 03:55 PM
Response to Reply #11
44. It is a statistical dead heat.
No stapling involved. No candidate has won. DREAM TICKET solves the problem.
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AtomicKitten Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-08-08 04:06 PM
Response to Reply #44
50. I disagree, strongly.
A combined ticket prolongs the problem and that problem is the Bush-Clinton stranglehold on government that is punctuated with secrecy and crony corporatism.

Obama is sufficiently ahead in delegates that it is statistically improbable that she could get anywhere in the ballpark of catching up.

Her vile campaign tactics preclude a combination ticket which, in the opinion of many Democrats, would be a nightmare.

Not.Gonna.Happen.
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Ian_walker Donating Member (496 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-08-08 04:28 PM
Response to Reply #50
73. UNITY is what wins. UNITY is a landslide. UNITY is 16 years!
UNITY is the winning strategy for the Democratic Party.
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AtomicKitten Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-08-08 04:40 PM
Response to Reply #73
83. Barack/somebody else = the only way America can move forward untethered by bad decisions of the past
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Ian_walker Donating Member (496 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-08-08 06:16 PM
Response to Reply #83
122. DREAM TICKET is what gives the NeoConMen nightmares
Dream ticket is 16 years of Democratic power.

Dream ticket is a landslide with momentum that will drag in Democratic Party victories in the legislature. That will give the Democratic party not just a landslide President but a landslide of Representatives and Senators too.

It will bury the NeoConMen.
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AtomicKitten Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-08-08 06:31 PM
Response to Reply #122
125. She is more likely to become McCain's VP than Obama's.
Hillary Clinton's negatives are so high she'd be like a cement block chained to Obama, and I assure you he is much, much smarter than that. Besides, she has already declared an affinity for the GOP nominee, so perhaps McCain will consider her for his VP.
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Ian_walker Donating Member (496 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-08-08 06:38 PM
Response to Reply #125
129. NeoConMen might dream that. I prefer to give them Nightmares
DREAM TICKET

Why do the GOP have nightmares about it?

Why is DREAM TICKET the thousand pound guerrilla sitting among all the breakables in the dainty GOP room?

Why do NeoConMen glance at it and then hold their hands up to blinker their eyes, muttering "Can't see it, Can't see it, Can't see it." hopping that will make it go away?

Because as any loyal Democrat can see, it is not just a single candidate or a mere 4 or 8 years of presidency.


UNITY is not just a win. It is a LANDSLIDE. It means a raft of victories for both Presidency, Representatives and Senate; and time enough in office that they can bring about true change and the dawn of a New Democratic Age for America. It means Democrats at their convention with the next two winning candidates already lined up and shouting "16 years, Sixteen Years, SIXTEEN YEARS!"

Because voters throughout the country are now hungry for change. They are sick of the Republicans damaging the US economy. They are sick of the Iraq war. They are sick of the American image being dragged through the mud. They sick of rising gas at the pump. They are sick of the dollar in their pocket being worth half of what it was. They are sick of it all. Most of all they are sick of the NeoConMen and their lies and deceit. And they are hungry for change.

If McCain has the GOP nomination over the Conservative Huckabee it just proves voters want a liberal in charge. McCain just means the Democrats have already won the next election he is already behind in the polls against both Democratic Party Candidates and that means voters even former Republicans are hungry for change. Voters hungry for change are not going to go for the half fat liberal McCain. If you want a Democratic Party in charge your going to VOTE THE FULL CREAM and vote Democratic candidate be they Obama or Clinton.

BUT frighten a NeoConMan today with just two simple words.

DREAM TICKET
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AtomicKitten Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-08-08 06:45 PM
Response to Reply #129
131. Ms. Flick is sh*t out of luck, your cheerleading aside.
Edited on Sat Mar-08-08 06:50 PM by AtomicKitten
Change doesn't happen with the same players playing the same insider D.C. games. She made a monster mistake going ugly, a mistake I guarantee he won't reward. Every day her campaign waxes ugly on the tee-vee makes her more and more a pariah in the Democratic Party. But, by all means, keep dreaming. I hope it assuages the disappointment of her failure in this contest.

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Ian_walker Donating Member (496 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-08-08 06:50 PM
Response to Reply #131
134. The Democratic Party is more important than your or either candidates ego
As I keep pointing out I am for Both candidates.

Either or BOTH candidates can give the UNITY speech
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AtomicKitten Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-08-08 07:07 PM
Response to Reply #134
140. Your dream (reads nightmare) has ZERO chance of coming to fruition so, dream on.
Uniting with isn't a merger Barack is going to make, but by all means cross your fingers and wish really, really hard. She will reap what she has sown.

Good luck on your sales pitch here. :hi:

She (and you) will find karma really is a bitch.
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Ian_walker Donating Member (496 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-08-08 07:20 PM
Response to Reply #140
142. I just love giving NeoConMen Nightmares.
Edited on Sat Mar-08-08 07:20 PM by Ian_walker
As I have pointed out on numerous occasions I support BOTH candidates and will get behind whom so ever is the Democratic Party Nomination for President.

I have said this many times:
Either or BOTH candidates can make the UNITY speech.

I think the Dream Ticket offers an unprecedented opportunity to lock the NeoConMen out of power for 16 years. Not only that but it means a landslide with enough momentum to lock up the Representatives and Senate too. It means time for Democratic Party policies to bed in . It means a New Democratic Age.

That is a strategy. All else is mere tactics.

That is dream worth fighting for.
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AtomicKitten Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-08-08 07:26 PM
Response to Reply #142
143. NO SALE!! But good luck on your campaign here at DU.
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Ian_walker Donating Member (496 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-08-08 08:17 PM
Response to Reply #143
149. Real Democratic Party supporters will get behind the Democratic Party Nomination
The Democratic Party Nomination will be decided by Democratic Party voters and Delegates.

69% of Democratic Party voters have said they want the Dream Ticket. Democratic Party voters want UNITY and the Super Delegates will want the same. The Super Delegates vote their conscience. The Super Delegates will take into account the gaming of the Democratic Party primaries. The Super Delegates will vote for the candidate who best offers UNITY. The Super Delegates will vote for the candidate who promises the biggest strategic victory.

It is a quick draw competition to say UNITY speech and Clinton's finger is a hairs breadth from the trigger.

Either or Both Candidates can make the UNITY speech.

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AtomicKitten Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-08-08 10:46 PM
Response to Reply #149
175. REAL Democrats don't endorse the GOP nominee over her Dem opponent.
And so this REAL Democrat won't be validating Ms. Flick with my vote if she somehow manages to wrestle the nomination away from Barack.
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Ian_walker Donating Member (496 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-08-08 11:10 PM
Response to Reply #175
179. Clinton never said she endorsed McCain. Do not fib
Edited on Sat Mar-08-08 11:11 PM by Ian_walker
Do not fib; you will only get caught

A simple goggle search proves you wrong
http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&rls=com.microsoft%3A...

I realize that many NeoConMen want to sow disunity in the DU.

It is because they fear and hate UNITY.

The NeoConMen are an organization founded on hate fear.

UNITY will win of this I am certain.
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AtomicKitten Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-08-08 11:28 PM
Response to Reply #179
181. I'm going to have go with my lying ears then.
Stick a fork in it, dude.

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Ian_walker Donating Member (496 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-08-08 11:45 PM
Response to Reply #181
182. Have them tested. Or come up with proof
But I know you will not do the second.
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AtomicKitten Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-09-08 12:01 AM
Response to Reply #182
183. In the words of Hillary Clinton, shame on you!!! for trying to muddy the waters with your BS.
Do you think people are retarded? Do you really think you can come here and tell us that we didn't hear what we clearly heard? If you are, you are as delusional as your candidate. She has lost already and refuses to stay down. She is taking her best shot at destroying the party, and you can bet your arse Democrats are not going to reward her for that. So, you can take your traveling show of bullshit down the road.
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Ian_walker Donating Member (496 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-09-08 12:14 AM
Response to Reply #183
184. I leave calling a contest before its done to Fox news in Florida
I do not think the people in this forum are retarded. Putting words in other peoples mouth seems to be a bad habit you have picked up somewhere. I contribute to threads in this forum because the people of the forum can be persuaded by cogent argument. I know the NeoConMen would prefer otherwise. Maybe you are upset because my posts are so cogent.

You say you have heard something yet you can offer no proof. Once again: Putting words in other peoples mouth seems to be a bad habit you have picked up somewhere.

The contest is a statistical dead heat and has still to be decided. I leave calling a contest before its done to Fox News in Florida. A bit similar to your habit of putting words in other peoples mouth; except this time you making up a result that has not happened. It seems to be a bad habit you have picked up somewhere...




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scheming daemons Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-08-08 03:21 PM
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16. Neither one of them would settle for VP slot... and they shouldn't...
...they can do more good in the Senate than as a VP attending funerals and fund-raisers.


The ticket needs to be BALANCED.... Neither Hillary nor Barack has great foreign policy creds, and they agree on 95% of the issues.... and neither of them are from a state that the GOP has a chance in.


No matter who the nominee is... they need someone with THESE qualities

1. Foreign policy experience
2. From a "purple" state.


Jim Webb - VA

Bill Richardson - NM


The VP *HAS* to be able to help in a normally-red state... or at least a swing state.


You're not thinking logically for November, Ian.... neither Hillary nor Barack is served very well by having the other as their VP choice.
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Ian_walker Donating Member (496 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-08-08 07:04 PM
Response to Reply #16
139. 69% of Democratic voters now support the DREAM TICKET News Week Poll
Edited on Sat Mar-08-08 07:04 PM by Ian_walker
They along with most of the electorate disagree with you.
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Life Long Dem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-08-08 03:22 PM
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19. Dream team is Obama's call. I wouldn't force Hillary to be breathing over his shoulders with Bill.
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Ian_walker Donating Member (496 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-08-08 04:31 PM
Response to Reply #19
75. Either or Both Candidates can make the UNITY speech and be the UNITY candidate
Edited on Sat Mar-08-08 04:31 PM by Ian_walker
I would prefer they both said it.
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sellitman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-08-08 03:28 PM
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26. I have as much a shot as Hillary does being picked for a VP slot.
Maybe more.
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featherman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-08-08 03:30 PM
Response to Original message
27. Media hype - not happening in the real world
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Ian_walker Donating Member (496 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-08-08 03:49 PM
Response to Reply #27
39. Ignore the people at your peril
Edited on Sat Mar-08-08 03:49 PM by Ian_walker
It is a News Week Poll
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featherman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-08-08 04:26 PM
Response to Reply #39
70. Who becomes VP is not my choice to make of course so I'm not
ignoring anybody. Just don't think it will happen. Just my opinion.
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Ian_walker Donating Member (496 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-08-08 04:36 PM
Response to Reply #70
77. Either or Both Candidates can make the UNITY speech and be the UNITY candidate
That will then inherently decide who is the VP

Who ever make the UNITY speech will win the Democratic Party nomination for president
That will then inherently decide who is the VP

If they BOTH make the unity speech. The one I would prefer it allows the contest to go on but in a more amicable fashion
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JackORoses Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-08-08 03:34 PM
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31. This is not going to work. No matter how many times Hillary says it.
Obama has already said he will not be a VP.

He will not put her on his ticket for two reasons.
She has attacked him unashamedly using very dirty tactics.
She would be a lead weight in the GE.

I know Hillarites are clinging to this as their last hope, but your candidate has ruined this for herself.
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Ian_walker Donating Member (496 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-08-08 03:48 PM
Response to Reply #31
38. Obama can say the UNITY speech as well
Either or both candidates can say the unity speech
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fujiyama Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-08-08 03:40 PM
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34. I could get behind it but still don't know what Hillary brings to the table as VP
Edited on Sat Mar-08-08 03:41 PM by fujiyama
I don't trust her and agree that loyalty is important. Still, I suppose she'd be better than Evan Bayh or Vilsack and some of her supporters feel she's entitled to be president, so it brings some unity to the table. But she also turns off a lot of independents and that would still mobilize RWers.

For Obama, being VP would be a great step to being president in 8 years. He's still young and it would be the kind of "experience" he needs. But then again would there be a mutual trust there? Everyone knows what happened to Al Gore under Clinton. At times, Bill sidelined Gore for Hillary's advice. Hillary might do the same - but for Bill's advice rather than Obama's.

At this point, I'll vote for Hillary (if she's the nominee) based on who she picks for VP. A Vilsack, or Bayh is pretty much a deal breaker. I couldn't care any less between a Hillary/Bayh/Vilsack and a McCain/Other lunatic choice.
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Ian_walker Donating Member (496 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-09-08 03:58 PM
Response to Reply #34
240. UNITY is what wins. UNITY is a landslide. UNITY is 16 years!
Choice of VP is just a tactic.

UNITY is strategy and it beats tactics hands down every time.

Howard Dean is the Democratic Party strategist. I will take his opinion on Strategy over anyone elses.

Howard Dean Wants UNITY.

DREAM TICKET is UNITY and DREAM TICKET is a real strategy and not some tactic of a candidates or their supporters ego.

I want UNITY.
UNITY is the NeoConMen having living Nightmare
UNITY is 16 years
UNITY is a Democratic party landslide
UNITY is Strategic Momentum
UNITY is a Democratic Party House of Representatives landslide
UNITY is a Democratic Party Senate landslide
UNITY is the NeoConMen buried
I want UNITY
I want the DREAM TICKET

Now that is a strategy.
What was that tactic you were on about?
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musicblind Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-08-08 04:07 PM
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53. Best thing is, as this goes on, that number keeps going up!
Edited on Sat Mar-08-08 04:24 PM by musicblind
Soon it'll be 75 or 80% who want the unity ticket. It DOESN'T MATTER what the radicals on DU say, they have no input in the matter and it kills. The truth is... we're probably going to get a version of this ticket. THAT is good thing. Whoever sits at the top of the ticket.
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Ian_walker Donating Member (496 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-09-08 04:25 PM
Response to Reply #53
246. Because UNITY is a Strategy
UNITY is strategy and it beats tactics hands down every time.

Howard Dean is the Democratic Party strategist. I will take his opinion on Strategy over anyone elses.

Howard Dean Wants UNITY.

DREAM TICKET is UNITY and DREAM TICKET is a real strategy and not some tactic of a candidates or their supporters ego.

I want UNITY.
UNITY is the NeoConMen having living Nightmare
UNITY is 16 years
UNITY is a Democratic party landslide
UNITY is Strategic Momentum
UNITY is a Democratic Party House of Representatives landslide
UNITY is a Democratic Party Senate landslide
UNITY is the NeoConMen buried
I want UNITY
I want the DREAM TICKET

Now that is a strategy.
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seabeyond Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-08-08 04:14 PM
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60. give them another week and they too wont want hillary on it n/t
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musicblind Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-08-08 04:25 PM
Response to Reply #60
69. That is not the trend of the polls. Even AFTER she has gone negative more people want this ticket
Why is it that people are so ethnocentric... even in our their own lives... that they think the rest of the world simply MUST be in agreement with them, and are then shocked to find out that their assumption is untrue. Geesh.
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seabeyond Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-08-08 04:40 PM
Response to Reply #69
81. well..... with a giggle, not that you didnt make a whole lot of implied assumptions
about me. lol. why.... are you assuming all those things about me from the little that i posted. maybe because it is what/who/why you would be and you are looking at me thru your glasses.

that is why.... people do that.

i am betting, not knowing, not assuming nor will i guarentee, that hillary will not pull back, further she will escalate what she is doing to the point even those that may not pay NEAR the attention as those poltically involved will see, think and judge. and

i could be wrong

will be a wait and see kinda thing

but a guess is a guess and we do that a lot on this board

like you do in assuming that what the poll says today and the momentum that it takes will stay the same

why... oh why.... do people think, things will stay as is.


geeeesh
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musicblind Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-08-08 05:07 PM
Response to Reply #81
99. You are right, I should not make personal assumptions from what little you posted
however I feel, as a whole, this board has an overwhelming bias and seems to believe that the rest of the world "really" shares their bias and are just hiding it from all the pollsters, etc. It comes off like a weird faith based initative. I am sorry if I lumped you into the group as a whole. That was jumping to a conclusion.
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seabeyond Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-08-08 05:38 PM
Response to Reply #99
110. ahhh. well thank you
Edited on Sat Mar-08-08 05:44 PM by seabeyond
i live in the middle of panhandle of texas ultra conservative religious belt. i could never consider this board anywhere close to my world.

thank you for your post.
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Ian_walker Donating Member (496 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-09-08 05:14 PM
Response to Reply #60
251. UNITY is a strategy. All else is mere tactics.
UNITY is strategy and it beats tactics hands down every time.

Howard Dean is the Democratic Party strategist. I will take his opinion on Strategy over anyone elses.

Howard Dean Wants UNITY.

DREAM TICKET is UNITY and DREAM TICKET is a real strategy and not some tactic of a candidates or their supporters ego.

I want UNITY.
UNITY is the NeoConMen having living Nightmare
UNITY is 16 years
UNITY is a Democratic party landslide
UNITY is Strategic Momentum
UNITY is a Democratic Party House of Representatives landslide
UNITY is a Democratic Party Senate landslide
UNITY is the NeoConMen buried
I want UNITY
I want the DREAM TICKET

Now that is a strategy.
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Major Hogwash Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-08-08 04:42 PM
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84. Too bad Newsweek has no say in how the Dem party is run, huh?
Fuck 'em - they were cheering for the Iraq War 5 years ago along with all of the other douchebags in the media!
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Ian_walker Donating Member (496 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-08-08 04:59 PM
Response to Reply #84
95. But the Democratic Party voters they polled do.
It is the Democratic Party voters who want the DREAM TICKET.
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Major Hogwash Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-08-08 05:04 PM
Response to Reply #95
97. When I want Newsweek's opinion, I'll give it to them.
Until then, they can sell more magazines by concentrating on the economy and how Bush lead us down the rosy path to hell, while Newsweek stood by and applauded his every move for 6 years!
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Ian_walker Donating Member (496 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-08-08 05:09 PM
Response to Reply #97
101. Democratic Party voters opinion trumps you
That is what the poll is of
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Rosemary2205 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-08-08 04:43 PM
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85. I wonder where the unity talk will go if Hillary is asked to settle for Veep.
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Ian_walker Donating Member (496 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-08-08 04:57 PM
Response to Reply #85
91. Either or Both Candidates can make the UNITY speech and be the UNITY candidate
The Democratic Party voters have made it clear what they want.

The Super Delegates will choose the UNITY candidate because that is Democratic Party voters want and because it is the purpose of the Super Delegates to vote their conscience and prevent actions like the NeoConMen's obvious and admited gaming of the Democratic Party primaries. The Super Delegates will also vote in the strategic interest of the Democratic party. So they will vote for the UNITY candidate.

It is a quick draw competition and Clinton is going for the gun

Either or Both Candidates can make the UNITY speech and be the UNITY candidate
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snappyturtle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-08-08 05:27 PM
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107. Here's my poll of one: NO! It will not happen. Hillary might concede to
the "dream ticket" but how could Obama? For him to select her would kill our election hopes because he would, in doing so, being backing the person who has had no trouble demeaning his abilities. No, nada, never.
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Ian_walker Donating Member (496 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-08-08 05:29 PM
Response to Reply #107
108. The Democratic Party is more important than your or your candidates ego
UNITY is the winning ticket.
UNITY is a landslide
UNITY 16 years
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snappyturtle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-08-08 06:38 PM
Response to Reply #108
128. Unity of this sort would be spun by the repukes into a laughing stock and
very hypocritical of both candidates. We can have a landslide, winning ticket and 16 years without these two arch enemies joining up.
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Ian_walker Donating Member (496 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-08-08 06:46 PM
Response to Reply #128
132. Both candidates have been very careful not to get personal
Edited on Sat Mar-08-08 06:46 PM by Ian_walker
Both candidates realise it is the Democratic party voters and Delegates that decide who will win.

NoeConMen not liking what the Democratic Party voters and Delegates is an absolute given.

I can only think of two reason why you say you cannot see that...
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snappyturtle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-08-08 09:56 PM
Response to Reply #132
172. I don't know what you're trying to say in this reply or throughout
the post. You have a UNITY command woven into the replies plus two or three other favorite phrases...who are these Neoconmen? What nightmares? This is jibberish...I will not respond to you again and suggest others do the same. imho
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Ian_walker Donating Member (496 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-08-08 10:48 PM
Response to Reply #172
177. You must find my argument cogent or you would not feel the need to dispute it.
Edited on Sat Mar-08-08 10:49 PM by Ian_walker
I will now parse each sentense to make it easier for you to understand

Both candidates realise it is the Democratic party voters and Delegates that decide who will win.

I do not think you can misunderstand this sentense. If you do not understand please explain why.

NeoConMen not liking what the Democratic Party voters and Delegates want is an absolute given.

I made a spelling error and missed a word. When you are making this many replies to such a popular topic the occasional error is inevitable. I of course apologise.
NeoConMen= Neoconservative Men. Points out they are predominatly men. The concept places them among conmen(flim flamers). In esence NeoConMen turns their name against them. It is a simple shorthand like Freeper or Repukes and other such. This is in the same vein.

It was in reply to this that you wrote:
Unity of this sort would be spun by the repukes into a laughing stock and very hypocritical of both candidates. We can have a landslide, winning ticket and 16 years without these two arch enemies joining up.

You are trying to make out that the candidates are against each other. I was pointing out that this is a very common NeoCon ploy that has been remarked on by many others in this forum.

The plane fact is the Democratic party candidates are not divided and no amout of NeoConMen wish they were will make it so.

I can only think of two reason why you say you cannot see that...
It is sometimes better to remain silent on what you think may be another's motives.

I just love giving NeoConMen nightmares. :D
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IDemo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-08-08 05:48 PM
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113. LOL "thousand pound guerrilla"?
Did you mean "gorilla", or just a really oversized jihadist?

Obama will pick his candidate according to how he and his team of advisers best see fit, not according to a Newsweek poll or an online bulletin board.

You have been cutting and pasting the same buzzword phrases for the past two days on this topic. Tireless repetition does not make a bad idea better. Stop spamming the board with this crap.

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Ian_walker Donating Member (496 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-08-08 06:03 PM
Response to Reply #113
117. gorilla or guerrilla both make a mess of NeoConMen
Edited on Sat Mar-08-08 06:05 PM by Ian_walker
And No I will not shut up. I think you are afraid of what I am posting being seen by more people...

Good campaign buzzwords are like gold they sum up an argument and save us all from the boring speeches you would seem to prefer.

Obama for one takes a different view to you.

UNITY is what will wipe the NeoConMen off the political map.

UNITY and the DREAM TICKET gives NeoConMen nightmares. I like those buzzwords. :D :D }(
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IDemo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-08-08 06:16 PM
Response to Reply #117
123. Move away from Gramma's laptop and go play in the yard
Edited on Sat Mar-08-08 06:23 PM by IDemo
You give yourself far too much credit by suggesting that your mindlessly repetitive UNITY posts are going to have any effect after "being seen by more people".

Obama has not spoken in favor of your nightmare ticket, nor does he have any reason to. After he wraps up the nomination, he will pick a running mate, hopefully somebody like Bill Richardson or Joe Biden. There is no consolation prize for second place in presidential politics.


edit -- Roland Martin can help set you straight. Or I can here.



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Ian_walker Donating Member (496 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-08-08 06:41 PM
Response to Reply #123
130. So you now know Dream Ticket is going to win
Other wise why the insult. Last refuge of the loosing agument.
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IDemo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-08-08 06:53 PM
Response to Reply #130
135. There will be no nightmare ticket. You can take that to the bank.
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Ian_walker Donating Member (496 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-08-08 07:01 PM
Response to Reply #135
138. DREAM TICKET is the gift that just keeps giving
Nightmares to NeoConMen
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McCamy Taylor Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-08-08 07:38 PM
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144. If I could prove to you that Karl Rove wants Obama and Hillary divided would that convince you?
I have been posting here since last year that the entire RNC/Rove/MSM strategy is all designed to achieve one purpose--keep Obama and Hillary and their supporters at each others throats by using the 1972 tactics designed by Pat Buchanan for CREEP and Dick Nixon which were used to interfere in the 1972 Democratic primary to turn it into a facsimile of the 1968 Chicago Dem disaster.

Go back to my journals and review them. If anyone is really interested, I will find the links myself and post them. I document the overall strategies. I have watched election night coverage and showed how networks like MSNBC are playing the game. I have analyzed the MSM propaganda. In my latest series "The Press v. Hillary Clinton" (up to three parts so far) I talk about this.

It is as clear as day what Rove is doing. It was clear last fall and it is even more clear now. Nora O'Donnell actually had a scroll saying "Convention in Chaos" and a guest speculating that the Denver convention could be just as bad as Chicago 1968---then she reminded Wisconsin voters that they could go to the polls and register right there and get a ballot with both Democrats and Republicans names on it and that Hillary was doing better than any one had thought she would (nudge, nudge, wink, wink). It was absolutely appalling.

If Hillary and Obama are on the same ticket, the woman and African-Americans, two key parts of the Democratic base will turn out in droves. Look at how many are turning out now to vote for one or the other. No one is going to stay home because the other candidate is on the ticket. Hillary's supporters like Obama and vice versa.

The RNC is trying hard to change that. They are using their same old Divide and Conquer strategy that they have used to keep wages down and workers unorganized and the masses oppressed for years.

Do not be fooled.

Solidarity!
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Ian_walker Donating Member (496 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-08-08 08:05 PM
Response to Reply #144
146. I agree it is about UNITY. Democratic Party UNITY; What the NeoConMen fear.
Dream Ticket is what gives the NeoConMen fear. It is their Nightmare.
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unapatriciated Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-09-08 06:01 PM
Response to Reply #144
266. I have said the same thing on this board many times.....
Edited on Sun Mar-09-08 06:04 PM by unapatriciated
But you said it better and backed it up with facts.
http://www.campusprogress.org/tools/282 /

edited to add a link to McCammy's journal.
http://journals.democraticunderground.com/McCamy%20Tayl...
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Ian_walker Donating Member (496 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-09-08 06:22 PM
Response to Reply #266
268. DREAM TICKET is what gives the NeoConMen nightmares
Edited on Sun Mar-09-08 06:24 PM by Ian_walker
That Rove Trolls come into this forum is certain and they have puppets who they feed their views to. Division and Hate is what the live for

Best thing to do is give them Nightmares.

Just try it!
It will give you a warm fuzy glow inside :) :
Reccomend threads that give NeoConMen Nightmares. It will give you a warm fuzy glow inside :)
Make Posts in threads where you see their activity that give NeoConMen Nightmares. It will give you a warm fuzy glow inside :)
Post comments that will give NeoConMen Nightmares. It will give you a warm fuzy glow inside :)

Also post it on Right wing media and open forums.

Things like this cause them to panic and get depressed. You will be suprised how fast they start to leave. Here is an example:

I love giving Nightmares to NeoConMen

DREAM TICKET you know it makes sense!

UNITY the gift that just keeps giving... NeoConMen Nightmares
DREAM TICKET another gift that just keeps giving... NeoConMen Nightmares

Terrify a NeoConMan today. While Drinking coffee in the Mall say to your Friend DREAM TICKET. Even if you whisper it a NeoConMen will hear it clear across the other side of the Mall. Try it really works.

And I do love giving NeoConMen Nightmares.

DREAM TICKET what all NeoConMen Hate.

The NeoConMen hate Obama
The NeoConMen hate Clinton
The NeoConMen hate Kerry
The NeoConMen hate Bill Clinton
The NeoConMen hate Gore
The NeoConMen hate JFK
The NeoConMen hate Carter
The NeoConMen even hate their very own McCain
The NeoConMen hate every single Democratic Party candidate they always have and always will.

HATE is all they do.

They account for less than 30% of voters and declining. They have some loud mouthpieces like Fox and Talk Radio and the rest of the NeoConMen's media.

Their time is ended.

All they have left is Hate.

UNITY trumps hate every time.

That is what the United States of America is based on.

And America is sick of them and their hate. They are sick of the NeoConMen damaging the US economy. They are sick of the Iraq war. They are sick of the American image being dragged through the mud. They sick of the NeoConMen raping our planet. The sick of the NeoConMen's Tax Debt. They sick of rising gas at the pump. They are sick of the dollar in their pocket being worth half of what it was. They are sick of it all. Most of all they are sick of the NeoConMen and their lies and deceit. And they are hungry for change.

UNITY is what will win.
UNITY is what the NeoConMen fear
UNITY is the Gift that keeps giving...NeoConMen Nightmares
UNITY is a landslide
UNITY is Strategic Momentum
UNITY is 16 years of power
UNITY is a Democratic Party House of Representatives
UNITY is a Democratic Party Senate
UNITY is the NeoConMen buried
UNITY will beat hate!
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unapatriciated Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-09-08 06:35 PM
Response to Reply #268
270. I heard you already!!!!
Did you read my post or link? I have been voting since 1972 and remember all to well the divide and conquer technique. Yes I agree and would go one step further by asking they appoint the rest of our very fine candidates to appropriate cabinet positions.
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Ian_walker Donating Member (496 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-09-08 07:01 PM
Response to Reply #270
272. Relax friend. (Subject lines make good headlines)
Yes I did

In fact I read it some time ago.

I was using the opportunity to kick the thread and to put forward the concept of giving the NeoConMen nightmares. As well as giving any of them still present Nightmares.

Subject lines make good headlines. NeoConMen are particularly susceptible too them that is their own Rhetorical style from Fox news. That is how they digest information.

Do not take anything in any thread as personal friend it is just Text.

Now the ideas they are powerful and cannot be ignored.
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unapatriciated Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-09-08 07:20 PM
Response to Reply #272
275. I'm very relaxed...
I did think I had fallen through the looking glass and into Fox News for the left. :evilgrin:
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Ian_walker Donating Member (496 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-09-08 07:38 PM
Response to Reply #275
277. Cool
Basic rhetorical ninjitsu mate always "use your enemy's weapons" against them also "Attack your enemy where he is unprepared, appear where he does not expect" Sun Tzu
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Spider Jerusalem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-08-08 08:19 PM
Response to Original message
150. There's no such thing as a 'statictical dead heat' in politics.
This isn't the NFL playoffs.

Obama leads in: delegates, in vote, in states won, in fundraising. He can only lose the nomination through Hillary's deus ex machina superdelegate strategy (and he won't). Hillary brings nothing to the ticket; her negatives would hurt down-ticket races, her presence on the ticket, even in the VP slot, would energise right-wingers who would otherwise be disaffected and not much interested in voting for McCain.

No thanks.
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Ian_walker Donating Member (496 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-08-08 08:36 PM
Response to Reply #150
156. Democratic party supporters get behind the candidate
Edited on Sat Mar-08-08 08:37 PM by Ian_walker
69% of Democratic Party voters want the Dream Ticket.

The Super Delegates will vote their conscience. The Super Delegates will vote for party UNITY. The Super Delegates will take into account that the NeoConMen have been gaming the Democratic Party Primaries and have even admitted the same. The Super Delegates will vote in the best long term strategic interest of the Democratic Party. The candidate that offers Party UNITY will win the Super Delegates vote.

Either or BOTH candidates can make the UNITY speech.

It is a quick draw competition and Clinton's finger is a hair's breadth from the trigger...
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Spider Jerusalem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-08-08 08:47 PM
Response to Reply #156
160. Most of those Republicans gaming the election?
In Ohio and Texas? They voted for Hillary.

She has no argument for being at the top of the ticket; she has no argument for even being on the ticket. She can make the 'unity speech' if she wants; it's a clear desperation ploy. And Hillary is electoral POISON in a general election vs McCain; this is an inconvenient fact you don't seem to want to admit.
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Ian_walker Donating Member (496 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-08-08 09:07 PM
Response to Reply #160
163. Either or Both Candidates can make the UNITY speech and be the UNITY candidate
As I said 69% of Democratic Party voters want the Dream Ticket a candidate will ignore them at their peril.

Are you saying Obama is against UNITY? Because his reply will be different to yours.

I made it clear that the Super Delegates will vote their conscience. The Super Delegates will take into account that the NeoConMen have been gaming the Democratic Party Primaries and have even admitted the same, I made that clear too. The Super Delegates will vote for party UNITY above all else. The candidate that offers Party UNITY will win the Super Delegates vote that is obvious; and if a candidate and his campaign set out disunite the party they can say goodbye to the Super Delegates vote for they will punish them. The Super Delegates will vote in the best long term strategic interest of the Democratic Party.

UNITY is the winning strategy now for either candidate.

Either or BOTH candidates can make the UNITY speech.

Currently it is a quick draw competition and Clinton's finger is a hair's breadth from the trigger...
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Spider Jerusalem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-08-08 09:09 PM
Response to Reply #163
164. Are you a broken record? It sounds like it.
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Ian_walker Donating Member (496 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-08-08 09:14 PM
Response to Reply #164
165. Truths oft need repeating to drown out foolish lies
Edited on Sat Mar-08-08 09:14 PM by Ian_walker
I argue my point of view. If I am steadfast in that view it just shows I have conviction.

I think that a Democratic Party landslide for President Representatives and Senate, 16 years in power and the NeoConMen dead and buried is a dream worth fighting for.
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Spider Jerusalem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-08-08 09:21 PM
Response to Reply #165
166. You obviously haven't been paying attention then.
The right wing HATE Hillary. With an intense and burning passion. Her LOWEST negative ratings are in the neighbourhood of 45% nationally. Her presence on any Democratic ticket would guarantee no landslide, fewer Democratic Senators and Representatives. The depth of loathing the right wing have for her can't be understated; they aren't enthusiastic about McCain, but the chance to vote AGAINST Hillary would see them turning out for him.
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Ian_walker Donating Member (496 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-08-08 09:41 PM
Response to Reply #166
170. The right wing hated JFK too
Edited on Sat Mar-08-08 09:43 PM by Ian_walker
The Right wing hate Obama
The Right wing hate Kerry
The Right wing hate Bill Clinton
The Right wing hate Gore
The Right wing hate JFK
The Right wing hate Carter
The Right wing even hate their very own McCain
The Right wing hate every single Democratic Party candidate they always have and always will.

HATE is all they do.

They account for less than 30% of voters and declining. They have some loud mouthpieces like Fox and Talk Radio and the rest of the NeoConMen's media.

Their time is ended.

All they have is Hate.

UNITY trumps hate every time

That is what the United States of America is based on.

And America is sick of them. They are sick of the NeoConMen damaging the US economy. They are sick of the Iraq war. They are sick of the American image being dragged through the mud. They sick of the NeoConMen raping our planet. The sick of the NeoConMen's Tax Debt. They sick of rising gas at the pump. They are sick of the dollar in their pocket being worth half of what it was. They are sick of it all. Most of all they are sick of the NeoConMen and their lies and deceit. And they are hungry for change.

UNITY is what will win.
UNITY is what the NeoConMen fear
UNITY is the Gift that keeps giving...NeoConMen Nightmares
UNITY is 16 years of power
UNITY is a landslide
UNITY is a Democratic Party House of Representatives
UNITY is a Democratic Party Senate
UNITY is the NeoConMen buried
UNITY will beat hate!
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nsd Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-08-08 08:22 PM
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151. Count me among the 31% who would hate this.
I believe in Obama's promise of a new politics, a fresh start for America. I don't want to return to the past. The Clintons' time has come and gone. HRC's antics over the last few weeks just reinforces this view.

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Ian_walker Donating Member (496 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-08-08 08:28 PM
Response to Reply #151
154. Democratic Party voters opinion trumps yours
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DrFunkenstein Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-08-08 08:44 PM
Response to Original message
158. Ah Hell No Dawg
Clinton brings nothing to the ticket, only weighs it down.
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Ian_walker Donating Member (496 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-08-08 08:53 PM
Response to Reply #158
162. 69% of Democratic voters now support the DREAM TICKET News Week Poll
I guess they disagree with you and trump your opinion.

UNITY is what will win.
UNITY is what the NeoConMen fear
UNITY is the Gift that keeps giving...NeoConMen Nightmares
UNITY is 16 years of power
UNITY is a landslide
UNITY is a Democratic Party House of Representatives
UNITY is a Democratic Party Senate
UNITY is the NeoConMen buried

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maryallen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-08-08 10:46 PM
Response to Original message
176. B.S. Pure -D- B.S.!
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Ian_walker Donating Member (496 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-08-08 10:51 PM
Response to Reply #176
178. Please explain
B.S. Pure -D- B.S.!

Are you in the wrong forum?
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GetTheRightVote Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-09-08 12:16 AM
Response to Original message
185. The only way it is a dream ticket to me is with Obama as Pres
and cheating low life Hillary goes as VP....Please do not insult my IQ other wise.
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Ian_walker Donating Member (496 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-09-08 12:24 AM
Response to Reply #185
188. I have always said I am for BOTH candidates
Edited on Sun Mar-09-08 12:24 AM by Ian_walker
I do not give monkeys uncle who is on top.

This is about UNITY.

That is what the United States of America is based on.

UNITY is what will win.
UNITY is what the NeoConMen fear
UNITY is the Gift that keeps giving...NeoConMen Nightmares
UNITY is 16 years of power
UNITY is a landslide
UNITY is Strategic Momentum
UNITY is a Democratic Party House of Representatives
UNITY is a Democratic Party Senate
UNITY is the NeoConMen buried

Either or BOTH candidates can make the UNITY speech.

If one makes it before the other they will win the nomination.
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JackORoses Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-09-08 12:30 AM
Response to Reply #188
191. It's damn funny that you Hillarites pretend to be about Unity now that she can't win straight up
Edited on Sun Mar-09-08 12:33 AM by JackORoses
You have taken to it as a last resort to get Hillary on the ticket.
No Deal.

We have seen what she has to offer and have determined that she is unfit.
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Ian_walker Donating Member (496 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-09-08 12:38 AM
Response to Reply #191
193. I leave calling a contest before its done to Fox news in Florida
Secondly I am not "Hillarite" I have made it abundantly clear I want BOTH candidates and the DREAM TICKET

I do like giving NeoConMen Nightmares though.

DREAM TICKET what all NeoConMen Hate.

The NeoConMen hate Obama
The NeoConMen hate Kerry
The NeoConMen hate Bill Clinton
The NeoConMen hate Gore
The NeoConMen hate JFK
The NeoConMen hate Carter
The NeoConMen even hate their very own McCain
The NeoConMen hate every single Democratic Party candidate they always have and always will.

HATE is all they do.

They account for less than 30% of voters and declining. They have some loud mouthpieces like Fox and Talk Radio and the rest of the NeoConMen's media.

Their time is ended.

All they have left is Hate.

UNITY trumps hate every time

That is what the United States of America is based on.

And America is sick of them. They are sick of the NeoConMen damaging the US economy. They are sick of the Iraq war. They are sick of the American image being dragged through the mud. They sick of the NeoConMen raping our planet. The sick of the NeoConMen's Tax Debt. They sick of rising gas at the pump. They are sick of the dollar in their pocket being worth half of what it was. They are sick of it all. Most of all they are sick of the NeoConMen and their lies and deceit. And they are hungry for change.

UNITY is what will win.
UNITY is what the NeoConMen fear
UNITY is the Gift that keeps giving...NeoConMen Nightmares
UNITY is a landslide
UNITY is Strategic Momentum
UNITY is 16 years of power
UNITY is a Democratic Party House of Representatives
UNITY is a Democratic Party Senate
UNITY is the NeoConMen buried
UNITY will beat hate!
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JackORoses Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-09-08 12:55 AM
Response to Reply #193
196. By Unity, do you mean President Obama/ VP Clinton?
Didn't think so.

You can say Unity til you run out of breath. It will not make Hillary Clinton into a Uniter.
She has division in her blood.
We need to move past her brand of politics.
Best to make a clean break.

Sorry you have your heart set on Hillary, but she is just not what the rest of us want in a leader.

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Ian_walker Donating Member (496 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-09-08 01:02 AM
Response to Reply #196
200. I support BOTH candidates. I support UNITY. I support SIXTEEN YEARS
Edited on Sun Mar-09-08 01:03 AM by Ian_walker
I am not bothered which one is top of the ticket.

I do like giving NeoConMen Nightmares though.

DREAM TICKET what all NeoConMen Hate.

The NeoConMen hate Obama
The NeoConMen hate Clinton
The NeoConMen hate Kerry
The NeoConMen hate Bill Clinton
The NeoConMen hate Gore
The NeoConMen hate JFK
The NeoConMen hate Carter
The NeoConMen even hate their very own McCain
The NeoConMen hate every single Democratic Party candidate they always have and always will.

HATE is all they do.

They account for less than 30% of voters and declining. They have some loud mouthpieces like Fox and Talk Radio and the rest of the NeoConMen's media.

Their time is ended.

All they have left is Hate.

UNITY trumps hate every time

That is what the United States of America is based on.

And America is sick of them. They are sick of the NeoConMen damaging the US economy. They are sick of the Iraq war. They are sick of the American image being dragged through the mud. They sick of the NeoConMen raping our planet. The sick of the NeoConMen's Tax Debt. They sick of rising gas at the pump. They are sick of the dollar in their pocket being worth half of what it was. They are sick of it all. Most of all they are sick of the NeoConMen and their lies and deceit. And they are hungry for change.

UNITY is what will win.
UNITY is what the NeoConMen fear
UNITY is the Gift that keeps giving...NeoConMen Nightmares
UNITY is a landslide
UNITY is Strategic Momentum
UNITY is 16 years of power
UNITY is a Democratic Party House of Representatives
UNITY is a Democratic Party Senate
UNITY is the NeoConMen buried
UNITY will beat hate!
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JackORoses Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-09-08 01:16 AM
Response to Reply #200
209. I see you support copy n paste.
Hillary Clinton is not a representative of unity. She never has been.
It is her time that is over.

It is rather amusing watching all you Hillarites running about screaming about unity and Dream Tickets.
Negotiating is one of the final stages of loss.
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Ian_walker Donating Member (496 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-09-08 01:24 AM
Response to Reply #209
213. Ask the same question get the same answer
Why should I get RSI?
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krkaufman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-09-08 12:21 AM
Response to Original message
186. Well, Hillary's pretty much killed her chances at the VP spot, I would think ...
... unless she thinks denigrating Obama's qualifications relative to the Republican candidate will somehow boost her into the VP slot as our "Cheney" (a comparison growing far too similar each campaign day).
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Ian_walker Donating Member (496 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-09-08 12:26 AM
Response to Reply #186
189. If Obama wants to win he has to start talking UNITY
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krkaufman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-09-08 12:31 AM
Response to Reply #189
192. He needs to continue fighting for the nomination
He should not let his guard down, as Howard Wolfson would likely bash him over his gracious head.

I think it wildly unreasonable to be demanding that Obama needs to be talking "UNITY" given what Sen. Clinton and her campaign have been doing and saying for the last two weeks. Once Hillary concedes the victory and the top-of-the-ticket to Obama, *then* Obama can start active discussions with Democratic leaders on how best to re-unify the party behind him.
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Ian_walker Donating Member (496 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-09-08 12:49 AM
Response to Reply #192
195. Here from a previous post what Obama can do.
Below I have rewritten the quick draw competition version of the Chris Weigant speech (follow this link for the original version of the speech)
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/chris-weigant/how-obama-c...

I would prefer that BOTH candidates make the THE STRATEGIC WINNING SPEECH but I will be happy with either

THE TACTICAL WINNING SPEECH
I call it the quick draw competition because the Candidate who first makes this speech wins the the unity and undecided voters of the Democratic party and with this middle ground the Democratic nomination for President. They also win the Super Delegates because they are the long term members of the Democratic Party and will vote for the Unity Candidate.

Speech 1
"I would like to address the people in the Democratic Party for a moment.

Our party is now pretty equally divided between myself and Senator (Obama/Clinton). The race is about tied. We are obviously the two strongest candidates this party has to offer to win the White House in 2008. We both have our relative strengths, and much of the electorate is genuinely conflicted over who to select in the voting booth. Some say this is fracturing our party, but I don't believe that is true. The Republican Party is divided because of antipathy among their different factions -- but I'm proud to say that our party is conflicted over who is the best between two very good choices.

So I would like to take this opportunity to offer Senator (Obama/Clinton). the Vice Presidential spot on the Democratic ticket, should I be nominated for President. Should they be nominated, and should they offer the same to me, I am publicly saying I would accept that as well. I think both of us should get behind the idea of a 'dream ticket' right here on this stage. I challenge my opponent to do the same."
Cue Instant pandemonium! Among loud cheers and a few groans from supporters of the candidate that did not make the speech.

---

THE STRATEGIC WINNING SPEECH
This version of the speech leaves the contest open but runs it without internecine war and unites the whole Democratic Party. I wonder if Pelossi, Howard Dean, Chris Redfern, George Stephanopoulos and the growing number of other Democrats are mediating how the deal can be done? A joint non aggression pact of not putting out tactical version of the Chris Weigant speech instead to put out this strategic version of the speech.

Speech 2
"We would like instead to address the people in the Democratic Party for a moment.

Our party is now pretty equally divided between ourselves. The race is about tied. We are obviously the two strongest candidates this party has to offer to win the White House in 2008. We both have our relative strengths, and much of the electorate is genuinely conflicted over who to select in the voting booth. Some say this is fracturing our party, but we don't believe that is true. The Republican Party is divided because of antipathy among their different factions -- but we are proud to say that our party is conflicted over who is the best between two very good choices.

So we would like to take this opportunity to offer each other the Vice Presidential spot on the Democratic ticket, should we be nominated by the party for President. Should the other be nominated, we are publicly saying we would accept that as well. We think both of us should get behind the idea of a 'dream ticket' right here on this stage. We challenge our party to do the same."
Cue very long standing ovation

The choice is there for the candidates to take.

But it has become a quick draw competition, to see which one says speech first:

Here is a link to the original thread.
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.ph...
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krkaufman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-09-08 12:58 AM
Response to Reply #195
197. But only one side needs to back off the "internecine warfare"
It is inarguable that Obama's campaign has been hardly negative toward Clinton in the fashion that the Clinton campaign has towards Obama. This campaign could go on for months, and I'd love it, if Clinton weren't distorting Obama's record and promoting the Republican candidate over a Democratic candidate.

Hillary has jumped the snark in promoting McCain. Obama is not the candidate that needs to make an offer of peace.
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Ian_walker Donating Member (496 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-09-08 01:12 AM
Response to Reply #197
207. Both Candidates need to start talking UNITY
A look through this forum shows both parties are guilty of some small amount of "internecine warfare" it is nothing like the scale of things in GOP though. I can be readily ignored.
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krkaufman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-09-08 01:23 AM
Response to Reply #207
212. "I can be readily ignored"
Humility is a fine trait.

Re: "A look through this forum shows ..."

If you're referring to the DU supporters of both candidates, I couldn't agree more. If you're talking about the official positions, tactics and statements of the campaigns, themselves, I would have to differ.

I, too, can (and should regularly) be ignored.

:toast:
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Ian_walker Donating Member (496 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-09-08 04:30 PM
Response to Reply #212
247. No one should be ignored...
Especialy those who can see a strategy.
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krkaufman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-09-08 06:19 PM
Response to Reply #247
267. Umm... check your previous post on this branch. n/t
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Ian_walker Donating Member (496 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-09-08 06:35 PM
Response to Reply #267
269. Ah "I" see "It"
Edited on Sun Mar-09-08 06:35 PM by Ian_walker
Bound to be some errors in my typing occasionally. One does ones best.

To expand on the point.

Yes people on this forum say bad things.
At least some involved the worst are mere Rove Trolls or their puppets.
As to the rest people get too swept up in the moment. The top pinned post in this section of the forum makes things clear.

Thank you for your kind efforts
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Political Heretic Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-09-08 12:23 AM
Response to Original message
187. I agree. An Obama / Clinton ticket is an obvious choice, since he's leading the nomination race.
And its time to put this thing to an end.
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Ian_walker Donating Member (496 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-09-08 12:27 AM
Response to Reply #187
190. Either or Both Candidates can make the UNITY speech and be the UNITY candidate
Now is the time for UNITY.
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Zhade Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-09-08 01:00 AM
Response to Original message
198. No. Clinton is unfit for office.
She doesn't DESERVE a place on the ticket. She's a loser.

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Ian_walker Donating Member (496 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-09-08 01:09 AM
Response to Reply #198
204. Democratic party supporters get behind the nomination
Real Democratic Party supporters will get behind the Democratic Party Nominee whichever it is.

I want them Both.

I want the Dream Ticket
I want UNITY

UNITY is what will win.
UNITY is what the NeoConMen fear
UNITY is the Gift that keeps giving...NeoConMen Nightmares
UNITY is a landslide
UNITY is Strategic Momentum
UNITY is 16 years of power
UNITY is a Democratic Party House of Representatives
UNITY is a Democratic Party Senate
UNITY is the NeoConMen buried

I do like giving NeoConMen Nightmares though. :D :D }(
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Lord Helmet Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-09-08 01:12 AM
Response to Original message
206. Since Hilary likes McCain so much she should run as his VP.
she's pretty much a republican anyway
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Ian_walker Donating Member (496 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-09-08 01:15 AM
Response to Reply #206
208. Even the NeoConMen hate McCain
Edited on Sun Mar-09-08 01:18 AM by Ian_walker
Err your post is stretching a little.

I do like giving NeoConMen Nightmares though. Winding up the Rove trolls on this forum is Soooo Much fun! :D

DREAM TICKET what all NeoConMen Hate. Winding up the Rove Trolls on this forum is Soooo Much fun! :D

The NeoConMen hate Obama
The NeoConMen hate Clinton
The NeoConMen hate Kerry
The NeoConMen hate Bill Clinton
The NeoConMen hate Gore
The NeoConMen hate JFK
The NeoConMen hate Carter
The NeoConMen even hate their very own McCain
The NeoConMen hate every single Democratic Party candidate they always have and always will.

HATE is all they do. Winding up the Rove trolls on this forum IS Soooo Much fun! :D

They account for less than 30% of voters and declining. They have some loud mouthpieces like Fox and Talk Radio and the rest of the NeoConMen's media.

Their time is ended.

All they have left is Hate. Winding up the Rove Trolls on this forum is Soooo Much fun! :D

UNITY trumps hate every time. Winding up the Rove Trolls on this forum is Soooo Much fun! :D

That is what the United States of America is based on.

And America is sick of them. They are sick of the NeoConMen damaging the US economy. They are sick of the Iraq war. They are sick of the American image being dragged through the mud. They sick of the NeoConMen raping our planet. The sick of the NeoConMen's Tax Debt. They sick of rising gas at the pump. They are sick of the dollar in their pocket being worth half of what it was. They are sick of it all. Most of all they are sick of the NeoConMen and their lies and deceit. And they are hungry for change.

UNITY is what will win.
UNITY is what the NeoConMen fear
UNITY is the Gift that keeps giving...NeoConMen Nightmares
UNITY is a landslide
UNITY is Strategic Momentum
UNITY is 16 years of power
UNITY is a Democratic Party House of Representatives
UNITY is a Democratic Party Senate
UNITY is the NeoConMen buried
UNITY will beat hate! Winding up the Rove Trolls on this forum is Soooo Much fun! :D
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Lord Helmet Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-09-08 11:56 PM
Response to Reply #208
290. keep peddling that bs dude
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Ian_walker Donating Member (496 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-10-08 12:03 AM
Response to Reply #290
291. UNITY is what wins. UNITY is a landslide. UNITY is 16 years!
UNITY will bury the NeoConMen
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Lord Helmet Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-10-08 12:04 AM
Response to Reply #291
292. you're funny
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Ian_walker Donating Member (496 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-10-08 03:04 PM
Response to Reply #292
301. Ah but UNITY is a stategy that gives NoeConMen NIGHTMARES
And I Just Lurrrve giving Nightmares to NeoConMen

DREAM TICKET you know it makes sense!

UNITY the gift that just keeps giving... NeoConMen Nightmares
DREAM TICKET another gift that just keeps giving... NeoConMen Nightmares

Terrify a NeoConMan today. While Drinking coffee in the Mall say to your Friend DREAM TICKET. Even if you whisper it a NeoConMen will hear it clear across the other side of the Mall. Try it really works.

And I do love giving NeoConMen Nightmares. And winding up the Rove trolls on this forum is just Soooo Much fun!

DREAM TICKET what all NeoConMen Hate. Winding up the Rove Trolls on this forum really is fun!

The NeoConMen hate Obama
The NeoConMen hate Clinton
The NeoConMen hate Kerry
The NeoConMen hate Bill Clinton
The NeoConMen hate Gore
The NeoConMen hate JFK
The NeoConMen hate Carter
The NeoConMen even hate their very own McCain
The NeoConMen hate every single Democratic Party candidate they always have and always will.

HATE is all they do. Winding up the Rove trolls on this forum IS Soooo Much fun!

They account for less than 30% of voters and declining. They have some loud mouthpieces like Fox and Talk Radio and the rest of the NeoConMen's media.

Their time is ended.

All they have left is Hate. Winding up the Rove Trolls on this forum is Soooo Much fun!

UNITY trumps hate every time. Winding up the Rove Trolls on this forum is Soooo Much fun!

That is what the United States of America is based on.

And America is sick of them. They are sick of the NeoConMen damaging the US economy. They are sick of the Iraq war. They are sick of the American image being dragged through the mud. They sick of the NeoConMen raping our planet. The sick of the NeoConMen's Tax Debt. They sick of rising gas at the pump. They are sick of the dollar in their pocket being worth half of what it was. They are sick of it all. Most of all they are sick of the NeoConMen and their lies and deceit. And they are hungry for change.

UNITY is what will win.
UNITY is what the NeoConMen fear
UNITY is the Gift that keeps giving...NeoConMen Nightmares
UNITY is a landslide
UNITY is Strategic Momentum
UNITY is 16 years of power
UNITY is a Democratic Party House of Representatives
UNITY is a Democratic Party Senate
UNITY is the NeoConMen buried
UNITY will beat hate! Winding up the Rove Trolls on this forum is Soooo Much fun!
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ContinentalOp Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-09-08 01:17 AM
Response to Original message
210. This should be called by its proper name...
the REPUBLICAN dream ticket. It would guarantee another "SIXTEEN YEARS" of Republican rule.
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Ian_walker Donating Member (496 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-09-08 01:22 AM
Response to Reply #210
211. UNITY is what wins. UNITY is a landslide. UNITY is 16 years!
DREAM TICKET is chance to realy bash the NeoConMen

UNITY is what terrifies NeoConMen

You know UNITY makes sense because NeoConMen are Terrified of two little words:

DREAM TICKET

Why do the GOP have nightmares about it?

Why is DREAM TICKET the thousand pound gorrila sitting among all the breakables in the dainty GOP room? Why do NeoConMen glance at it and then hold their hands up to blinker their eyes, muttering "Can't see it, Can't see it, Can't see it." hopping that will make it go away?

Because as any loyal Democrat can see, it is not just a single candidate or a mere 4 or 8 years of presidency. It means a raft of candidates for both presidency, representatives and senate; and time enough in office that they can bring about true change and the dawn of a New Democratic Age for America. It means Democrats at their convention with the next two winning candidates already lined up and shouting "16 years, Sixteen Years, SIXTEEN YEARS!"

UNITY is not just a win. It is a LANDSLIDE.

Because voters throughout the country are now hungry for change.

They are sick of the Republicans damaging the US economy. They are sick of the Iraq war. They are sick of the American image being dragged through the mud. They sick of rising gas at the pump. They are sick of the dollar in their pocket being worth half of what it was. They are sick of it all. Most of all they are sick of the NeoConMen and their lies and deceit. And they are hungry for change.

If McCain has the GOP nomination over the Conservative Huckabee it just proves voters want a liberal in charge. McCain just means the Democrats have already won the next election he is already behind in the polls against both Democratic Party Candidates and that means voters even former Republicans are hungry for change. Voters hungry for change are not going to go for the half-fat-liberal McCain. If you want a liberal in charge your going to VOTE THE FULL CREAM and vote Democrat, Obama or Clinton.

BUT frighten a NeoConMan today with just two simple words.

DREAM TICKET!
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istopforcookies Donating Member (50 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-09-08 01:32 AM
Response to Reply #211
214. Clinton/Obama Go Go Go!
Its not the Clintons.

Its Senator Hillary Rodham Clinton.

Try Again/
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Ian_walker Donating Member (496 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-09-08 03:33 AM
Response to Reply #214
217. UNITY is about the whole Democratic Party
That is what a strategic victory is about.
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ecstatic Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-09-08 11:16 AM
Response to Original message
222. How do black voters feel about sending Obama
to the bottom position after his clear lead?

I was for that so called "Dream Ticket." That was before HRC took things to an uber-nasty level. I just.don't.feel.the.same. about her anymore.

Remember?



:puke:

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Ian_walker Donating Member (496 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-09-08 01:50 PM
Response to Reply #222
224. No clear lead it is a statistical dead heat
Sorry to burst you bubble but

So far the Democratic Party nomination is a Statistical Dead Heat.

The Facts
In terms of Delegates
Without Florida and Michigan Either candidate need 2,024 out of 4,047
Neither candidate is any where near that.
Obama has 1,387 or 52%
Clinton has 1,229 or 47%
Edwards (suspended not withdrawn) has 26 or 1%

Do the math
1,387 + 1,229 = 2,616 total Delegate Votes decided (we will ignore the half vote for now)
4,047 - 2,616 = 1,431 Delegate Votes still to be declared.
Now some of that is promised votes from super Delegates but there are still some 600 outstanding Delegate votes and about 300 Super Delegate votes to be decided.

Without Florida and Michigan Either candidate need 2,024 out of 4,047
If Florida's and Michigan's delegates are counted, the requirement is 2,207 votes out of 4,414 (now we had better see where that half vote went)

Oh and Clinton is ahead in the popular vote by about 32,000 ballots.

1,431 Delegate Votes still to be declared Now you can try to Fox news that in Floria that any way you want.

Me I will let the Democratic Party decide.

I will be happy with either of them as President but what I want is both as President. I want 16 years.

It is a Dead Heat
So much so that Howard Dean has said on ABC television "If we have to sit the two candidates down together or their campaigns down together and try to figure out how to make peace and have a convention that's going to work, then that's fine,"

Howard Dean is the Democratic Party strategist. I will take his opinion on Strategy as being considerably more important than yours.

And DREAM TICKET is a real strategy and not some candidates or their supporters ego.

But
I want UNITY.
I want the NeoConMen to have a living Nightmare
I want 16 years
I want a Democratic party landslide
I want Strategic Momentum
I want a Democratic Party House of Representatives landslide
I want a Democratic Party Senate landslide
I want the NeoConMen buried
I want UNITY
I want the DREAM TICKET

Now that is a strategy.
What was that tactic you were on about?
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goclark Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-09-08 03:57 PM
Response to Reply #222
239. Rosa Parks held the answer to that one ~


Barack is not stuck on stupid!
Not going to the back of the bus unless HE wants to or the voters decide fair and square that HE did not win first place.

He does not have to listen to George Wallace Clinton decide that is where he needed to ride.

If it goes down any other way,signs and plane tickets will be needed headed for Denver.

I've never been so it should be a nice trip for Senior -goclark!

I will be right there in Denver if they mess with Obama.

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Ian_walker Donating Member (496 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-09-08 04:15 PM
Response to Reply #239
244. I leave calling a contest before its done to Fox news in Florida
As I pointed out in the previous post.
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goclark Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-09-08 05:24 PM
Response to Reply #244
255. Bill Clinton is the "decider" and he has deemed it over
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Ian_walker Donating Member (496 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-09-08 05:33 PM
Response to Reply #255
259. Do not fib. You will only get caught
Bill clinton has said no such thing.
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goclark Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-09-08 05:42 PM
Response to Reply #259
262. I heard Bill today say that with her states and his states
Edited on Sun Mar-09-08 05:42 PM by goclark
that would be a winning ticket.

I know what I heard.

He did not have to say that she would be the President and Obama would be at the back of the bus.

We all know that the back of the ticket is the only place that he wants Obama.

Off to donate to Obama!

Thanks for the inspiration.
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Ian_walker Donating Member (496 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-09-08 05:56 PM
Response to Reply #262
265. Err your answer seems a little muddled (may be redo?)
But I am glad to hear you are going to donate to the Democratic party.
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mculator Donating Member (658 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-09-08 03:47 PM
Response to Original message
235. DREAM TICKET SUPPORTER HERE... K&R!!
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Ian_walker Donating Member (496 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-09-08 03:53 PM
Response to Reply #235
237. 69% of Democratic voters now support the DREAM TICKET News Week Poll
You are in the majority good to see you. :)
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mculator Donating Member (658 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-09-08 03:55 PM
Response to Reply #237
238. Careful, it exposes Hillary and Obama haters.
Edited on Sun Mar-09-08 03:57 PM by mculator
Although you'll only hear from one of those groups on the DU. I wish supporters of either candidate would realize you can't simply anti Clinton or anti Obama and still carry water in arguments. Around here, you can, apparently.

Edit: for proof of this exposure... read thread above.
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Ian_walker Donating Member (496 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-09-08 04:11 PM
Response to Reply #238
243. UNITY is about loyalty
It is not just a strategy it is a tactical test.

Those who post threads that divide the Democratic party are showing their true colours. As I amd sure you too are noting.

The anti UNITY threads are a great way of flush them out.
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mod mom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-09-08 04:00 PM
Response to Original message
241. Wow someone w an anarchist symbol preaching "dream ticket"?
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Ian_walker Donating Member (496 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-09-08 04:07 PM
Response to Reply #241
242. UNITY is what wins. UNITY is a landslide. UNITY is 16 years!
I have always been a practical anarchist. Anarchist by ideals practical by nature. Freedom above all but realise the world you live. Deal in solutions. You may be interested know many great politicians are anarchist by ideal.

Ideals are navigational aid.
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Vinca Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-09-08 05:18 PM
Response to Original message
253. What exactly is the "dream ticket?" It can't possibly be
Obama/Clinton - she'd drag him down with her.
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Ian_walker Donating Member (496 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-09-08 05:29 PM
Response to Reply #253
258. Either or Both Candidates can make the UNITY speech and be the UNITY candidate
Edited on Sun Mar-09-08 05:31 PM by Ian_walker
You just have to sh*t and get off the potty.

Obama will not win the nomination if he is not able to take the whole party him.

He has to start talking UNITY because the clock is ticking.

So far only one candidate has said the Dream Ticket is on the cards.

Clinton has twice said she is considering it and recognises that the voters want it.

UNITY is about both candidates and their supporters, uniting behind both candidates and the Democratic Party to pursue a strategic victory of 16 years in power; in the Presidency, Senate and Congress.

Below I have rewritten the quick draw competition version of the Chris Weigant speech (follow this link for the original version of the speech)
As you can see it was originaly written for Obama
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/chris-weigant/how-obama-c...

THE TACTICAL WINNING SPEECH
I call it the quick draw competition because the Candidate who first makes this speech wins the the unity and undecided voters of the Democratic party and with this middle ground the Democratic nomination for President. They also win the Super Delegates because they are the long term members of the Democratic Party and will vote for the Unity Candidate.

Speech 1
"I would like to address the people in the Democratic Party for a moment.

Our party is now pretty equally divided between myself and Senator (Obama/Clinton). The race is about tied. We are obviously the two strongest candidates this party has to offer to win the White House in 2008. We both have our relative strengths, and much of the electorate is genuinely conflicted over who to select in the voting booth. Some say this is fracturing our party, but I don't believe that is true. The Republican Party is divided because of antipathy among their different factions -- but I'm proud to say that our party is conflicted over who is the best between two very good choices.

So I would like to take this opportunity to offer Senator (Obama/Clinton). the Vice Presidential spot on the Democratic ticket, should I be nominated for President. Should they be nominated, and should they offer the same to me, I am publicly saying I would accept that as well. I think both of us should get behind the idea of a 'dream ticket' right here on this stage. I challenge my opponent to do the same."
Cue Instant pandemonium! Among loud cheers and a few groans from supporters of the candidate that did not make the speech.
THE STRATEGIC WINNING SPEECH
This version of the speech leaves the contest open but runs it without internecine war and unites the whole Democratic Party. I wonder if Pelossi, Howard Dean, Chris Redfern, George Stephanopoulos and the growing number of other Democrats are mediating how the deal can be done? A joint non aggression pact of not putting out tactical version of the Chris Weigant speech instead to put out this strategic version of the speech.

Speech 2
"We would like instead to address the people in the Democratic Party for a moment.

Our party is now pretty equally divided between ourselves. The race is about tied. We are obviously the two strongest candidates this party has to offer to win the White House in 2008. We both have our relative strengths, and much of the electorate is genuinely conflicted over who to select in the voting booth. Some say this is fracturing our party, but we don't believe that is true. The Republican Party is divided because of antipathy among their different factions -- but we are proud to say that our party is conflicted over who is the best between two very good choices.

So we would like to take this opportunity to offer each other the Vice Presidential spot on the Democratic ticket, should we be nominated by the party for President. Should the other be nominated, we are publicly saying we would accept that as well. We think both of us should get behind the idea of a 'dream ticket' right here on this stage. We challenge our party to do the same."
Cue very long standing ovation

The choice is there for the candidates to take.

That it will be a Democrat who is next President of the USA there is no doubt.

But it has become a quick draw competition, to see which one says the magic two words first:

DREAM TICKET

And Clinton is going for the gun...

Because the polarize-able supporters are decided and wedded to their camp. Obama-ite or Clinton-ite. Those will stay with their candidate. The people the contest is now being fought over are the vast majority of unity Democrats. They sway one then they sway the other. What sways them most is punishing those who attack Democrats. Voters showed in New Hampshire and Michigan what can happen to a candidate or camp who is not out to unite. Democratic Party voters also punished Obama in Texas and Ohio for assuming he was more important than the party. Democratic Party voters want UNITY.

Howard Dean has said he does not want to be at the Democratic convention mediating the candidate. The Super Delegates will ignore all the fake democrats the GOP sent to game the Democratic Party nomination in Red States and they will vote their conscience and vote for the Democratic Party Unity Candidate whom so ever that may be.

The first Candidate to say they will take Democratic party down the unity road to the DREAM TICKET will win all those voters in the middle and the Super Delegates too because what the Democratic Party wants is UNITY.

Because; what true Democratic Party supporter, would be satisfied with just Four or Eight years of Democrat Rule?

That is the reason NeoConMen are Terrified of two little words:

DREAM TICKET

Why do the GOP have nightmares about it?

Why is DREAM TICKET the thousand pound guerrilla sitting among all the breakables in the dainty GOP room?

Why do NeoConMen glance at it and then hold their hands up to blinker their eyes, muttering "Can't see it, Can't see it, Can't see it." hopping that will make it go away?

Because as any loyal Democrat can see, it is not just a single candidate or a mere 4 or 8 years of presidency.

It means a raft of candidates for both presidency, congress and senate; and time enough in office that they can bring about true change and the dawn of a New Democratic Age for America.

It means Democrats at their convention with the next two winning candidates already lined up and shouting "16 years, Sixteen Years, SIXTEEN YEARS!"

Because voters throughout the country are now hungry for change.

They are sick of the Republicans damaging the US economy. They are sick of the Iraq war. They are sick of the American image being dragged through the mud. They sick of rising gas at the pump. They are sick of the dollar in their pocket being worth half of what it was. They are sick of it all. Most of all they are sick of the NeoConMen and their lies and deceit. And they are hungry for change.

If McCain has the GOP nomination over the Conservative Huckabee it just proves voters want a liberal in charge. McCain just means the Democrats have already won the next election he is already behind in the polls against both Democratic Party Candidates and that means voters even former Republicans are hungry for change. Voters hungry for change are not going to go for the half-fat-liberal McCain. If you want a liberal in charge your going to VOTE THE FULL CREAM and vote Democrat, Obama or Clinton.

BUT frighten a NeoConMan today with just two simple words.

DREAM TICKET!

Because that would not be just a tactical victory of a four to eight year presidency. That would be the STRATEGIC victory of a Democratic Age. That is why "Obama-Clinton or a Clinton-Obama ticket." is the Ticket that gives the NeoConMen nightmares. And the first Candidate to articulate that they will move the Democratic party to the DREAM TICKET will win that candidacy.

No If Buts or Maybes THE CANDIDATE WHO SAYS IT WILL BE the Democrat Candidate and the next President of th United States of America.
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Vinca Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-09-08 05:38 PM
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261. The thought makes me ill. nt
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Ian_walker Donating Member (496 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-09-08 05:49 PM
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263. UNITY is what gives NeoConMen Nightmares...
I can not think of a better recomendation.
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Political Heretic Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-09-08 05:35 PM
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260. Lie. The nomination is not a statistical dead heat.
Because it isn't decided by poll.

It will be decided by:

1) who wins the most pledged delegates
2) who wins the popular vote
3) who wins the most states
4) who has the most money

In that order.

Right now one candidate has all of those things and the other candidate has her fake "experience" while losing in every category.

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Ian_walker Donating Member (496 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-09-08 05:53 PM
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264. I leave calling a contest before its done to Fox news in Florida
Sorry to burst you bubble but

So far the Democratic Party nomination is a Statistical Dead Heat.

The Facts
In terms of Delegates
Without Florida and Michigan Either candidate need 2,024 out of 4,047
Neither candidate is any where near that.
Obama has 1,387 or 52%
Clinton has 1,229 or 47%
Edwards (suspended not withdrawn) has 26 or 1%

Do the math
1,387 + 1,229 = 2,616 total Delegate Votes decided (we will ignore the half vote for now)
4,047 - 2,616 = 1,431 Delegate Votes still to be declared.
Now some of that is promised votes from super Delegates but there are still some 600 outstanding Delegate votes and about 300 Super Delegate votes to be decided.

Without Florida and Michigan Either candidate need 2,024 out of 4,047
If Florida's and Michigan's delegates are counted, the requirement is 2,207 votes out of 4,414 (now we had better see where that half vote went)

Oh and Clinton is ahead in the popular vote by about 32,000 ballots.

1,431 Delegate Votes still to be declared Now you can try to Fox news that in Floria that any way you want.

Me I will let the Democratic Party decide.

I will be happy with either of them as President but what I want is both as President. I want 16 years.

It is a Dead Heat
So much so that Howard Dean has said on ABC television "If we have to sit the two candidates down together or their campaigns down together and try to figure out how to make peace and have a convention that's going to work, then that's fine,"

Howard Dean is the Democratic Party strategist. I will take his opinion on Strategy as being considerably more important than yours.

And DREAM TICKET is a real strategy and not some candidates or their supporters ego.

But
I want UNITY.
I want the NeoConMen to have a living Nightmare
I want 16 years
I want a Democratic party landslide
I want Strategic Momentum
I want a Democratic Party House of Representatives landslide
I want a Democratic Party Senate landslide
I want the NeoConMen buried
I want UNITY
I want the DREAM TICKET

Now that is a strategy.
What was that tactic you were on about?
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dysfunctional press Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-09-08 07:05 PM
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273. 69% of democrats still giggle when they see the number "69".
nt
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Ian_walker Donating Member (496 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-09-08 07:06 PM
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274. 69 is sexy.
But I do not think it is 69% who giggle
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leftrightwingnut Donating Member (434 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-09-08 07:57 PM
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278. Go Ian! Too many bitter partisans in both camps.
They need to take a step back from their respective kool-aids, go outside and get some fresh air. Take a break and reflect on what's really important -- why we are having a primary in the first place: we need to beat the living shit out of McCain and send the neocons back whimpering to their dark, smelly little holes that they crawled out of.

O/C or C/O. It's coming, it's coming.
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Ian_walker Donating Member (496 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-09-08 08:20 PM
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279. Thank you for the support
Always worth bashing a NeoConMan though.

I do not see that half-fat-liberal mcCain getting in he is more accedent prone than Bush Jnr. and then ther is the very obvious health problem. A journalist almost asked him about IT to his... err face this week.
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Zuiderelle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-09-08 08:21 PM
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280. That tells me that 69% of the people answering that poll are smarter than half the people here.
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Ian_walker Donating Member (496 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-09-08 08:50 PM
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282. Don't let a few Rove Trolls and partisan fools bother you.
Edited on Sun Mar-09-08 08:52 PM by Ian_walker
Check the top pinned post in this section of the forum. Their time is limited. And every day it is a dead heat the Dream Ticket Solution becomes more of a certainty.

UNITY is the only option.

Surpringly the Rove Trolls and partisan fools have contributed to it inevitability. :D
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Zuiderelle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-09-08 08:54 PM
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283. How true that is. The discord they've injected here will unite us.
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Ian_walker Donating Member (496 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-09-08 09:03 PM
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285. Very True. Very True
Every day of impasse is step toward the Dream Ticket. And every day means more Democratic Party voters and Money as the Democratic Party Primary fills the media.

But it is time for candidates to start talking UNITY.

Either Or Both Candidates can make the UNITY speech.

And Talking UNITY is what will win the Democratic Party nomination.
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KoKo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-09-08 08:47 PM
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281. You mean that "Dream Ticket" of Hillary/Obama? Yeah!
It's the only way I could "hold nose" and vote for either of them...because I don't like either of them...but together...I figure they could WIN in November..given the Idiot they are up against!

Check this out for a "Hoot" about what we Dems are dealing with. A "fun watch" if you can still have any sense of humor about all this...

http://current.com/items/88854218_the_democratic_messia...
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Ian_walker Donating Member (496 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-09-08 08:56 PM
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284. Either or Both Candidates can make the UNITY speech
The DREAM TICKET gives the NeoConMen nightmares I can not think of anything better.
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ORDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-10-08 12:47 AM
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293. Any ticket with Hillary on it is a nightmare IMHO.
We don't need anymore "triangulation" politics, overt compromises or fence sitting, or kow-towing to every corporate whim. She is fine as a Senator, nothing more.

:dem:
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Ian_walker Donating Member (496 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-10-08 02:16 AM
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294. UNITY is about loyalty
Real Democratic Party supporters will get behind the candidate the Democratic Party nominates.
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ecstatic Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-10-08 06:33 AM
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296. OMG. You can't be serious
I'm sure the commission for your efforts will be nice though.
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Ian_walker Donating Member (496 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-10-08 01:34 PM
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297. I am 100% serious about about Democratic Party UNITY
Because the DREAM TICKET is a real strategy and not some candidates or their supporters ego.

I want UNITY.
I want the NeoConMen to have a living Nightmare
I want 16 years
I want a Democratic party landslide
I want Strategic Momentum
I want a Democratic Party House of Representatives landslide
I want a Democratic Party Senate landslide
I want the NeoConMen buried
I want UNITY
I want the DREAM TICKET

Now that is a strategy.

I don't get paid by the way, saying it just shows what a fool you are.
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Ian_walker Donating Member (496 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-10-08 01:49 PM
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299. YAY! Both candidates campaigns are now talking Dream Ticket!
See! The Democratic Party Candidates do listen to Democratic Party voters want!
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