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K Gardner Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-08-08 03:04 PM
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Obama Not Ready to be CiC/Cannot Win Big States = Clinton Strategy for Super Delegate Votes
In an almost ridiculously vapid performance on Larry King Live, Lanny Davis gave us a solid preview of the talking points which have been distributed to surrogates in preparation for the Case Against Barack Obama in the runup to Pennsylvania. These have been echoed by surrogates such as Wesley Clark across the board and will continue. Obama needs to get in front of this and work the media spin before this gets too far out toward PA.

1. Ohio is the bellweather state and proves Obama is not acceptable as CiC to the majority of voters.
2. Obama is opposed to Universal Health Care.
3. Facts and only Facts.
4. Frequent use of the word: "Disturbing".
5. Obama not ready to be CiC because (insert faux outrage of the day)

Lanny Davis on Larry King, March 7, 2008

KING: Lanny Davis, it's a simple yes or no, why doesn't she release her income tax returns?

DAVIS: The answer is yes, she will release her tax information since the year 2000 on April 15th. They're working on it. So the answer is yes.

And, if I could correct the record on what I heard before here, Larry, the facts are -- I have a great deal of respect for Senator Obama. He inspires a lot of young people and he's a great candidate. But he's not ready to be president, according to the voters of every major state, in the exit polls and in the hard data that are not disputable. In Ohio, more than 60 percent of the voters thought that Senator Clinton was ready to be commander-in-chief. Only 30 percent thought that Senator Obama. That's a fact, Larry.

On the stewardship of the economy, in a landslide victory in the bellwether state of Ohio, more than two-thirds of the voters thought that Hillary Clinton was a better steward of the economy, as compared to about one third to Obama.

KING: Then --

DAVIS: That's the issue he's got to address. All the attacks that -- it's really ironic to hear kitchen sink used by my good old friend, David Wilhelm. We see Senator Obama, immediately out of Ohio, rather than addressing whether he's ready to be commander-in-chief and can take care of the economy, which is why he lost by a landslide in that important state, he starts attacking Hillary Clinton on tax returns, for goodness sakes, when, for 20 years, the Clintons' financial information has been fully disclosed. And as governor...

KING: OK, I want to --

DAVIS: ...and as first lady, it's been disclosed throughout the (INAUDIBLE).

KING: All right, I want to get...

DAVIS: It's kind of silly. (Davis continues to interrupt to bombard with talking points)

DAVIS: Some of the words that I hear used from the Politics of Hope campaign, like slipperiness and secrecy and personalized words like monster -- I'm here to talk about facts and facts only. And the fact is that Senator Obama and now my friend, John Wilhelm, is opposed to universal health care, which this party has stood for since Harry Truman. He would leave out 15 million people. That's a fact.

Senator Obama voted for the Dick Cheney energy bill and Hillary Clinton opposed it. That's a fact. In the State of Ohio, a bellwether state, as well as in the State of Texas, blue collar voters, senior citizens -- the Democratic core base supported Hillary Clinton by substantial margins. That's a fact. The reason is that people are seeing Senator Obama as not ready to be president by overwhelming margins of Democrats. That's a fact. And he ought to be addressing those facts...


Also up on March 7 was Wesley Clark, parroting some familiar refrains

Wes Clark on BBC

"He will rely upon a plan, an operational plan that he pulls together, in consultation with people who are on the ground, to whom he doesnt have daily access now as a result of not being the president," Powers told the BBC's Stephen Sackur Monday.

Former NATO commander Wesley Clark, a Clinton supporter, called the comments "disturbing," and he accused Obama of not being prepared enough to be commander in chief and properly oversee an end to the Iraq war.

"That means knowing where you're headed before you start down the path," Clark said.

Jamie Rubin, a former State Department spokesman, compared Obama's foreign policy approach to "amateur hour."


Last but not least, let's listen to Hillary as she sets the tone for her campaign on the same day:

Clinton Calls Obama Campaign "Disturbing", Obama

HATTIESBURG, MS - Hillary Clinton's campaign hit rival Barack Obama on two fronts today, saying he does not have a plan to end the war in Iraq and calling on a top aide to step aside after she referred to the New York senator as "a monster." In both cases, the Obama campaign representative involved was now-former foreign policy aide Samantha Power. Power tendered her resignation earlier today for the monster comment reported in a Scottish newspaper and apologized to both Clinton and Obama. When asked for a reaction Clinton said it was the right thing to do.

"I think Sen. Obama did the right thing, but I think it's important to look at what she and his other advisors say behind closed doors, particularly when they are talking to foreign governments and foreign press," she said during a media availability at a train depot here. "It raises disturbing questions about what the real planning and policy positions ... inside the Obama campaign happen to be."

The Obama campaign has said Power was an unpaid advisor and not part of the campaign staff and that she stepped down on her own. Clinton did not address Power's specific comment. When asked how it was different from Communications Dir. Howard Wolfson's statement yesterday that Obama was imitating Ken Starr, she said "one is an adhomiem attack and one is a historical refererence." Clinton also cited a BBC interview with Power in which she said Obama's plan for withdrawing troops from Iraq within 16 months, at a rate of one to two brigades a month, could change once he becomes president.

"Sen. Obama has made his speech opposing Iraq in 2002 and the war in Iraq the core of his campaign, which makes these comments especially troubling," Clinton said. "While Sen. Obama campaigns on his plan to end the war, his top advisors tell people abroad that he will not rely on his own plan should he become president. This is the latest example of promising the American people one thing on campaign trail and telling people in other countries another. We saw this with Nafta as well."


This tactic was previewed on Feb 20 and is now in full bloom. It is a tactic that is more about making a case to the Super Delegates that Obama is "not ready and cannot win big states". It is a tactic that seeks only to destroy Obama's Worth as a Viable Candidate and ensuring the Super Delegates throw their endorsements to him.


A Stark Choice

But instead of shifting course, Clinton redoubled her attempt to undermine his change-oriented message. "One of us is ready to be commander in chief," she told the crowd in New York. "Let's get real. Let's get real about this election, let's get real about our future, let's get real about what it is we can do together." Obama has had a "good couple of weeks," she allowed, but said his victories had come in states that he was expected to win. Clinton predicted that when voters in Ohio and Texas have the opportunity to take his measure, his run of success will end.

In a conference call with reporters Wednesday, senior Clinton advisers vowed to press Obama on his readiness for the White House, arguing that the only reason that message has not been successful so far is that Obama was able to outspend Clinton in the recent string of contests. Now, chief strategist Mark Penn said, Clinton will draw distinctions with Obama more sharply.

"She is the only person in this race who is both ready to be commander in chief and would end the Iraq war and start to bring home troops in 60 days, compared to both Senator Obama and Senator McCain," Penn said, referring to Sen. John McCain (Ariz.), the likely Republican nominee. "She is the only one with a real plan for managing the economy, reining in the special interests and rebuilding the middle class." He continued: "This is a very stark choice, and I think it's going to be reflected in the choice we have over the next few weeks: Who is better able to lead the country in the event of a crisis and beat the Republican nominee?"
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NightWatcher Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-08-08 03:05 PM
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1. unfortunately for her it's the United States.....not the Big States of America
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Pirate Smile Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-08-08 03:17 PM
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6. I like that - Hillary wants to be the President of the Big States of America.
Photoshop people, we need some assistance.

Ok, what states "count" or are "significant":

New York
California
Ohio
Texas* (who really won???)
Massachusetts
New Jersey
Michigan* (Obama's name not even on the ballot, not supposed to "count" but does "count" to Clinton)
Florida (Another not supposed to "count" but does "count" to Clinton


We need a new map.
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SoFlaJet Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-08-08 03:26 PM
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15. it's the way they think
the DLCers-they will reject Dean's 50 state strategy until the end and then will all be standing there when Obama is the nominee and they STILL won't get it, they STILL won't accept it and they will do whatever they can (just like they have been all along in this primary) to try and sabotage Obama's presidential bid-we will be forced to continue to fight a dual pronged attack from the RW AND the Clinton-crats. And....her supporters here STILL don't see anything wrong with it-maybe because they ARE the enemy
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papau Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-08-08 03:07 PM
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2. Very good points - and indeed the reason the super's should select her as I want to win in Nov
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wileedog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-08-08 03:08 PM
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3. You won't win
when half the party splinters off in disgust if the SDs override the pledged delegates.
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Bigleaf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-08-08 03:12 PM
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4. Too bad her thinking is flawed.
Obama will carry the Blue States (she will be out of the picture-only 1 Dem at that point) and he will do well in some red states.
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K Gardner Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-08-08 03:15 PM
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5. Yes, but right now, its all about perception. And Hillary is winning the Perception Game.
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Cha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-08-08 03:23 PM
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11. Only because the fucking m$$$m are
on their knees. Obama needs to circumvent the mediawhores.
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K Gardner Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-08-08 03:36 PM
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16. Yes, he does. I hope his "war room" is working on a major strategy right now.. we don't
need another week like last week. He needs to control the message.
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leftofcool Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-08-08 03:18 PM
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7. He has to "win " red states in the GE, not just "do well.":
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Bigleaf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-08-08 03:19 PM
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8. He will. Could she?
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enki23 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-08-08 03:21 PM
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9. somebody in that campaign *must* have noted how bullshit that argument is
Edited on Sat Mar-08-08 03:24 PM by enki23
there has been a lot of effort put into trying to design fair voting systems, without any perfect successes. (actually, it's been shown to be impossible to devise a system which will always put the candidate that is "most preferred" by a rank-order system every time. but that effort, one of the major arms of game theory, is mostly over my head. however, the basic reality is that any majority-rule voting system is only fully effective when there are only two choices. any more than two, and it's very possible (and not all that unlikely in many cases) to end up with a winner who is not at all preferred to all the other candidates by a plurality of voters. this is one of the problems that makes our american voting system so fucking stupid.

but, we're stuck with it. at least for now. and so people like nader can still greatly change the result of an election, giving it to the candidate who was in fact *not* preferred to the other candidate by a plurality of all voters. there are other ways of voting, with proportional voting, runoffs, ranked-ballot, and other methods for making it much less probable for such an event to occur. this isn't genius level stuff, by the way.

a number of areas in the US have already gone to similar systems for their state and local elections. because they fully realize what a whole lot of hillary fans don't seem able to comprehend. and that is the take home lesson for today. you can't tell whether people prefer apples to oranges in ohio by noting that ohio citrus fanatics prefer grapefruit. and you can't tell much of a goddamned thing about whether ohio would prefer mccain or barack obama by noting that hillary won the democratic primary.

and i didn't even note that the primary results are extrapolating from a tiny self-selected fraction of already-poor self-selected fraction of people who will vote in the general election. trying to extrapolate any useful information from the ohio primary, other than that primary voters preferred hillary to barack, would be a statistician's nightmare.
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K Gardner Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-08-08 03:25 PM
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14. Yeah, I don't get the sudden emphasis on Ohio results as being indicative of
the rest of the country and wish someone would call them on it. No one does. Ever.
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enki23 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-08-08 03:37 PM
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17. they aren't even very predictive of potential GE matchups in *ohio*
that's my real point here.
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Cha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-08-08 03:21 PM
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10. I'm betting the SuperDees are smarter than
the fucking vacuous hilaryland campaign that is literally dripping with Hilary Hypocricy.
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galaxy21 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-08-08 03:23 PM
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12. If only big states matter, why bother holding elections in the other 45?
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Cha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-08-08 03:44 PM
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18. Welcome to DU, galaxy..and that
question makes sense only to those who aren't pimping for hilary and hilaryland herself.

They have their big Orwellian dlc heads together to come up with a hook that will let them scam away the election from the one who The People want.

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enid602 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-08-08 03:24 PM
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13. 69%
Well, considering so many BO supporters are republicans, I guest the 69% figure could be true.
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