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NeedleCast Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-08-08 01:41 PM
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It's a BFD when Hillary wins states she's projected to win
Edited on Sat Mar-08-08 01:51 PM by NeedleCast
but not when Obama wins state's he's projected to win. Hillary wins Ohio and Texas, two states where she led since early polling started coming out months ago. It's a huge deal! It's an incredible comeback! The momentum is turning! She's viable again! Media ignores the fact that in Texas she blew a 20% lead and will probably lose in total delegates awarded. Media ignores the fact that she had a 25% lead in Ohio and Obama cut it to 10%. Media mostly ignores the fact that without a massive superdelegate shift Hillary can't catch Obama (and I don't blame them for that, because it's a much more interesting story when there's a race on).

Obama wins states where he's lead for a long time and it's virtually ignored. I mean, he was supposed to win Wyoming. Its a state full of black people and college kids.

The spin will be the usual. Wyoming doesn't matter. It's a small state. It's a red state. It's a caucus. The math will be ingored again. Hillary is down to a handful of states and I suspect the only one of those remaining states she will win is PA.

Edited to add: Yes, Hillary won the popular vote in Texas and thats important and I'm not taking that away from her but again I consider the fact that weeks before the Texas vote she had a massive lead and gave most of it back very telling in who actually has the momentum.
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MonkeyFunk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-08-08 01:42 PM
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1. to be fair
Wyoming's not just a small state. It's the smallest of states.
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XemaSab Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-08-08 01:46 PM
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7. I thouught that was Rhode Island
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Bucky Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-08-08 02:13 PM
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22. Rhode Island doesn't count.
Pass it on.
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democrattotheend Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-08-08 02:15 PM
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23. RI is smallest geographically, WY is smallest in population
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NeedleCast Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-08-08 01:49 PM
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12. I know
And I know it's quite likely to go red in the General but it's still another win and one less chance for Hillary to make up ground. She'll back-slide by 2-3 delegates. Not a big deal, but your girl is running out of states here pretty quick. Personally I think going to convention will be a good thing as long as the candidate with the delegate and popular vote lead is made our nominee. Right now all the attention is focused on the democratic race while McCain stands over in the corner waving his arms going "look at me, I'm over here!"

Still, the media reporting on Hillary's "combeback" in Texas and Ohio rubs me the wrong way. I don't blame Hillary for that. It's like...if I give someone a 50 yard head-start in a 100 yard dash and they win the race by 5 yards then go around claiming how much faster they are than me.
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Bucky Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-08-08 02:17 PM
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25. I'm a rabid Obama supporter, but I don't think we can dispute Tx & Ohio were a comeback
She won fair & square. She didn't win pretty, but politics doesn't have to be pretty to be fair. Unless she quits going negative, I think her March 4th victories will be pyrrhic, but she did turn around a campaign that was losing support.
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berni_mccoy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-08-08 02:51 PM
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29. Add Wyoming to the list of 26 states that Clinton and her supporters say don't matter
Edited on Sat Mar-08-08 02:54 PM by berni_mccoy
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MonkeyFunk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-08-08 10:28 PM
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30. Where did I say it doesn't matter?
Don't be daft.

Do you dispute that Wyoming has the smallest population of any of the states?
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stray cat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-08-08 01:43 PM
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2. I notice that also - Clinton wins the spin game for manipulating the media
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Vinca Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-08-08 01:43 PM
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3. Also, to be fair, didn't Obama actually win Texas?? nt
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goldcanyonaz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-08-08 01:45 PM
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6. Not the popular vote, but more delegates, just like Nevada.
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Skidmore Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-08-08 02:35 PM
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27. Yeah, and I just heard a CNN talking head say that Clinton won 3 out of 4
of the last contests. Go figure.
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lligrd Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-08-08 01:44 PM
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4. She Didn't Win Texas, Obama Did
We shouldn't help perpetuate myths. Didn't you know, Hillary can do no wrong and Obama can do no right.
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BzaDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-08-08 01:46 PM
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8. Yes. No Myths. 100,000 more voters picked Hillary than Obama. End of story. n/t
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Hepburn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-08-08 01:47 PM
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10. So that means she got the majority of the delegates, right?
Edited on Sat Mar-08-08 01:48 PM by Hepburn
:eyes:
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housewolf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-08-08 01:50 PM
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13. What counts in the primary election is the Delegate count, not the popular vote count
Sorry, but what it takes to win the nomination is DELEGATES, not popular votes. Obama won more delegates in Texas; therefore Obama won Texas.

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lligrd Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-08-08 02:00 PM
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18. Electoral Votes Do The Electing, Sorry
Obama clearly won. And Hillary only won the popular vote because of the Ditto-Heads thanks to Rush. They weren't allowed in the Caucuses because they won't actually be voting for Hillary in the GE. So much for your popular vote.
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dbonds Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-08-08 02:34 PM
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26. Its not about total votes, its delegates.
That is the way the system works. If it was about total votes then the campaigns would be run differently and Dean's 50 state strategy would be the obvious choice instead of Clinton's big state strategy.
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ayeshahaqqiqa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-08-08 01:44 PM
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5. The media hates math
and seems to encourage math ignorance in the general population. I'm hoping that the trend of not trusting the MSM continues.
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THUNDER HANDS Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-08-08 01:47 PM
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9. the longer it stays a "race" the better for the media -- MORE MONEY
it's that simple. They have no other interest other than lining their pockets with advertising dollars. Hillary helps them do that.
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democrattotheend Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-08-08 02:16 PM
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24. Exactly
That's why they turned on Obama when he was about to clinch the nomination, IMO. It's not about favoring one candidate over the other...it's about ratings. The longer this goes on the more money they make.
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RaleighNCDUer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-08-08 02:39 PM
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28. Well, not entirely. They could have (but didn't) prolonged
Romney's agony of defeat to boost the ratings. But doing so would have helped weaken the republicans, and keeping a republican in office is their ultimate goal. Even one they don't particularly like, like McCain.
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Bucky Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-08-08 01:48 PM
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11. To be fair
she also took the lead in national polling following her March 4th victory. It might be short lived, but it's indisputably momentem.
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Dawgs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-08-08 02:08 PM
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20. Because of the media's distortions.
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Bucky Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-08-08 02:13 PM
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21. No. It's because people like to side with a winner
Clinton won the popular votes in two big states. That matters. She had a good night and she got a corresponding bump. It's hardly a "media distortion" to say she won. She won.
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pampango Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-08-08 01:50 PM
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14. Some matter and some don't. It's in the eye of the beholder.
;)
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Bullet1987 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-08-08 01:52 PM
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15. I think it's because it's the weekend...
Edited on Sat Mar-08-08 01:52 PM by Bullet1987
MSNBC will cover it at 6pm though with Chris Matthews.
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NeedleCast Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-08-08 01:53 PM
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16. Good point
I hadn't thought of that and it's a good point. I'm about to go out and enjoy this crisp Orlando post-storms day.
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niceypoo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-08-08 01:55 PM
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17. Probabally because of all of the hyper-negative spin against her
This board and the Media are completely saturated with it....

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NeedleCast Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-08-08 02:05 PM
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19. We only see what we want to see
Give me a break, the Media spent months leading up to Iowa stroking Hillary. The media, who you accuse of being "hyper-negative" against Hillary has spent the last week declaring her the come-back kid and that momentum has shifted to her despite the fact that she gave up huge leads in Texas and her 25% lead in Ohio was cut to 10%.

Hillary declared herself the winner of the primary on several occasions leading up to Iowa and the media sucked it up. Turns out she's not quite as clairvoyant as she thought she was.
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