Um.....Obama is beating Clinton 66-33% in Wyoming

[Tropics_Dude83]

The comeback girl's comeback has just been put on hold.

New CNN numbers just came in and it's now 66-33 for Obama.

[grantcart]

1. with 43% of the vote in

[Kukesa]

16. I've got my fingers crossed! n/t

[Hepburn]

2. Soooooooooooo......

....where has all that Hillary momentum gone???

[democrattotheend]

3. Let's hope that holds!

The media is expecting him to win, but if it's a blowout it should get him some good press and maybe some momentum back.

[jalynn]

9. Yes

He was expected to win, he usually does win in the repub states

[yellerpup]

4. Kick this!

Everyone should know!

[writes3000]

5. Let's see what the final numbers are before we celebrate.

I'm going to try not to gloat.

[SoCalDem]

6. It's just a caucus.... from an unimportant state.. no biggie

[Capn Sunshine]

107. Dude, I am so stealing that sig img

[SoCalDem]

123. be my guest.. and you can modify it or make your own at

http://www.frantic.org/makesign.html

http://www.techroam.com/250-cool-generators /

I'm a dudette

[phillysuse]

7. Must be the latte drinking African American Wyomingites

wearing their Birkenstocks' and driving their Volvo's.

All three of them.

[BringBigDogBack]

19. I laughed.

[TomClash]

22. It's all those Western Wyoming CC rich kids

driving their ferraris to the caucus sites.

[K Gardner]

8. What's wrong with you?? WY doesn't count. Its a caucus. As Lanny Davis

said on Larry King last night, only Ohio counts. And PA will count if Hillary wins it. And because of OH and PA, the SDs will PICK Hillary as the nominee, because it means that she can win the GE. The states Obama won and votes he got from them, clearly don't count.

[jlake]

15. Lanny speaks the truth. God love him!

[angie_love]

17. apparently you like liars.

[jlake]

20. No, but you do if you think Samanta Power "speaks the truth"

[IndianaGreen]

26. Lanny called Bill Richardson a hypocrite on CNN last weekend

The capacity of the Clinton brownshirts to insult and attack anyone that doesn't genuflect at the feet of their Supreme Leader.

[TeamJordan23]

Lanny Davis used to be a cheerleader for Leiberman also. Just shows who HRC has on her team. nm

[NDambi]

134. Lanny ugh...I can't stand to hear him speak..his teeth click together and he has no lips..what a

scary and strange looking fella he is...and he lies like a rug..lmao

[TomClash]

10. You know what's funny

There are more voters in my neighborhood than there are in Wyoming.

[VotesForWomen]

106. heh. don't rain on O's parade..... nt

[cali]

11. Excellent.

My question for Hillary supporters is why is she so disliked in most of the west? How is that a good thing? Yeah, they're red states but it sure doesn't help that even dems can't stand her there

[MonkeyFunk]

21. So you admit

that the reason Obama does well is not because people like him, but only because they dislike Clinton.

If you'd stop and think for a minute, you'd find that's not a very compelling argument for your candidate.

[TomClash]

27. Except HE was winning state after state even when

there were a lot of other candidates in the race.

[MonkeyFunk]

33. No matter how you spin it

Clinton and Obama are very close in vote totals. To pretend that one candidate is adored and the other hated is just nonsensical.

Why can't you guys just admit that? We have two strong candidates. You can support a candidate without denigrating the opponent.

[TomClash]

63. Probably because my candidate has been tarred

as inferior to John McCain. Our candidates are not so strong that we can afford the luxury of one choosing McCain on national security over the other. Don't you see that?

I admit the vote totals are close and I have never said Barack was adored and Hillary hated. So your comment doesn't apply to me.

[MonkeyFunk]

69. And my candidate was unfairly tarred as racist

grow up. This is politics.

[TomClash]

84. Grow up?

I've been around politics for a long time and I've worked in many campaigns.

Try supporting your arguments - you might enjoy it.

[MonkeyFunk]

132. What's to support?

My candidate was unfairly tarred as racist.

[TomClash]

143. Unfairly?

Hmmm.

[NDambi]

136. Unfairly...well..lol

[cali]

31. No. I didn't say anything of the kind. I pointed out that Hillary's negatives

are a big problem. As if that weren't already well known. If you'd stop and think for a mere second, you'd realize that it is a big problem for us if she's the nominee.

[MonkeyFunk]

67. By November

any candidate would have roughly the same negatives. I don't think it's as big a problem as you say.

AS I said above, they're about tied in the national vote. To pretend one candidate is beloved by all and the other is hated just doesn't reflect reality.

[Warren DeMontague]

89. What's been the compelling argument for Hillary? Her early campaign was based 100% on inevitability.

Saying

"vote for her because she's going to win anyway, so don't you want to jump on board the train?"

isn't a real compelling argument, either.

[RUMMYisFROSTED]

12. That'd be +4 delegates.

There goes last weeks gains.

[tekisui]

18. CA has added 8 or 9 to Obama's column since Tuesday, anyway.

[RUMMYisFROSTED]

34. Damnit!

[VotesForWomen]

110. and it will be 0 electoral votes in Nov. so who really cares? sorry, but electoral votes

are what count. this is just a reality. i live in western SD, right next to wyoming, and guess what? we're not going to give the dems one single electoral vote in november either, so why should they really care if our voters prefered obama?

[RUMMYisFROSTED]

124. Um, no.

Why care?

If you haven't fucking noticed we're trying to get someone nominated here. Of course Cheneyland won't vote for either candidate. That's beside the point.

How's the "Forget Half The Country" strategy working for Clinton?

[VotesForWomen]

127. yes, you nominate some one who can win in Nov. WE ARE NOT GETTING WY IN THE GE!!!! if you think we

are, you need to seriously put down the kool-aide. it's not 'forgetting half the country;' it's making rational decisions about short-term reality (GE in nov.) while also planning for the future. look, O has a slight lead right now; but it does in fact matter where that lead came from. WY is not equal to Ohio.

[RUMMYisFROSTED]

129. Did you read my post?

Of course Cheneyland won't vote for either candidate.

However, there are significant numbers of Democrats in every red state. Getting people pumped for Democrats in Wyoming is not a bad thing.

What's your point? Screw Democrats in red states?

[stop the bleeding]

13. Well they would know who would be more qualified to answer 3am calls

since they are so hawkish.

Clearly a rejection HRC's security platform.

[dkf]

14. He's going to get a nice allocation of delegates!

That much close to the nomination.

Go Obama!

[OzarkDem]

23. Is it a caucus? If so, meh

The GE is a real election where voters have to be registered and can only vote once.

[cali]

41. tough toenails for you that caucus states do count in the real

world and that Wyoming will add to his lead over Hill. And voters at a caucus can only vote once and they can't be repuke in Wyoming.

[OzarkDem]

60. Obama doesn't do well in real elections

That's why he had problems in Ohio and Texas and probably will in PA, too.

[coalition_unwilling]

73. Have you forgotten Obama' s 17% win in Wisconsin (primary state)???? -n/t

[cali]

77. Sure he does. He beat the hell out of her in VT

and of course we're far more of a dem state and hold much cleaner elections than OH. Not even close. And he's ending up with more delegates out of TX than hilly. Not to mention that he closed huge gaps in both OH and TX in a 2 week period. He doesn't need to win PA. He just needs to keep it within 10 pts. And he's favored in 6 out of 10 of the remaining contests. No matter what lies and slime her campaign throws out, she's still in trouble. She slips further behind every day. He's closed the SD gap from 180 to 40 in just over a month. Look for that to close completely.

Oh, and just to help educate you: He's won as many primaries as she has. And after today, he'll have won 29 states. He'll end up winning something like 35 contests and she'll have under 20.

[Catherina]

83. It's funny how Hillary only does well when the machines count the votes

When real people count them, Obama wins. Go figure

[wileedog]

98. Yeah those

Virginia and Maryland caucuses were great.

[OzarkDem]

131. He'll need more than 2 states to win the GE

Sorry, let's have a reality based campaign here.

[karynnj]

117. MD, VA, WI,

All elections - all 17% plus Obama victories - all reasonably populous states.

How will HRC win the states she says didn't count. If HRC wins and McCain is smart, he will sell signs or bumper stickers in all the Obama states - saying "Vote McCain, he thinks VA counts" - where state appreviation replaces VA in each state.

Telling states that they don't count is a strange way to win them over.

[snappyturtle]

51. I'm sor ry but that's a truy ignorant statement. n/t

[PresidentObama]

24. Put on hold? Everyone knew Obama was going to win Wyoming.

Why is this a surprise?

[tekisui]

29. Expected and it still ends her momentum.

She couldn't build on it.

[PresidentObama]

65. Yes Wyoming is the end of the Clinton momentum. LOL. What a load of bullshit.

[tekisui]

79. It is bullshit.

Her momentum ended with a TX primary squeaker. And then the TX Caucus loss.

[karynnj]

120. The media declared she had momentun - there was no change

She won 3 states that Penn said would put them equal or ahead in delegate count when his scenario was out there in early February - it didn't happen. She had a net lost in delegates this week.

[Exilednight]

30. So you believe a loss in Wyoming continues her momentum?

[newfie4]

70. nobody is even going to notice Wyoming

Fact is, Wyoming is as repug a state as you're ever going to find. We have no chance in November. Whatever small trickle of Democrats exist there are extremely far left and more of the "movement" types. These are the types that gravitate to Obama and worship him like a deity. They also have the time to stick around at caucuses.

Hillary's base is working class dems in places like Ohio, NY, Pennsylvania, Texas, NJ.

[Exilednight]

75. Texas is filled with working class Dems? In what universe? It hasn't voted Dem since Carter!!

Polls conducted show that Hillary loses Ohio in the GE to McCain.

The only state you listed that she would win that Obama would not is Pa.

Obama wins Ohio, NY, and NJ.

Hillary would win NY, Pa, and NJ.

Both would lose Texas, but Obama would have a better chance at winning it than Hillary would.

[newfie4]

82. I live in NJ, Obama is hated here. McCain leads him in the polls.

Obama would have trouble in Ohio as well. And he'd lose Pennsylvania.

[Exilednight]

86. I live in NY and I know that Obama is not hated across NJ. Maybe in your little slice of the....

state, but I know the politics of NJ, and it's like any other state. Parts will be for a Repugs and parts will be for Democrats.

I use to live in Morristown, NJ and it is very repug saturated, but those little slices don't determine elections.

[wileedog]

102. I live in NJ too

I know a few Hillary supporters, but not a single person that "hates" Obama.

[NDambi]

137. I live in NJ too...you're full of shit, Obama isn't hated here...

[RBInMaine]

45. Hm...just like Hillary everyone knew Hillary was going to win OH?

She was 15-20 points ahead in OH just a few weeks before the vote. About the same in TX and RI. He closed to 10 in OH, and damn near beat her in the TX primary, and DID beat her in the caucus to go ahead in delegates there. So just spin away as she always does. By the way, she was happy as hell to win the Nevada and New Mexico CAUCUSES and wasn't crapping on those ones (although she barely won them). But when she loses, she craps on caucuses and spins away like a spider.

[alcibiades_mystery]

55. Everyone knew Hillary was gonna win Ohio and Texas, too

It didn't stop a lot of people from pretending that some miracle had alighted on the Land with a golden sword of sunshine.

[PresidentObama]

68. OH and TX are a little different in delegate count from Wyoming.

[alcibiades_mystery]

85. That's neither here nor there with respect to

whether people faked surprise, though, is it?

Besides, on NET delegates, the difference doesn't really seem that great, given what happened in Texas. I thought you folks were disregarding delegate math in favor of momentum? Keep your argument straight.

[Jersey Devil]

62. It baffles me - why does everyone know that?

I am happy that so far it looks like 8-4 Obama on delegates and hope that will hold. So just exactly why, if anyone knows, does Obama rack up huge majorities in all white states like Idaho, Wyoming, North Dakota, etc.?

Demographically, it seems to be upside down, like Alice in Wonderland.

Does it mean that race is NOT a factor when Obama is a candidate or something else?

[DearAbby]

25. What was that I hear?

was that the sound of a screeching halt to the Hillary's momentum?

[MadBadger]

28. 48% in, 61-38

[tekisui]

32. Oh good. I want a 60+ win.

[rodeodance]

40. He is dropping from the 66% in OP.

[MadBadger]

80. I'll just take a win at any level. It's not like he doenst have a big delegate lead

Now its just about the media saying you won a state.

[NDambi]

138. What was the final tally...hmmmmm...he whipped her ass...lol

[rodeodance]

71. oops--58-41 now

[tekisui]

72. I'll take that too.

[redstate_democrat]

42. is it possible this could be an 78%-22% landslide?

I hope so.

[MadBadger]

48. BIg turnout in Cheyenne, and they havent reported.

[npincus]

35. Aw, that's just a shitty flyover state!

It doesn't count!

[Guy Whitey Corngood]

36. It must be all those overexcited blacks in Wyoming.

[TheDeathadder]

37. wow!!

and with about 50% of the vote counted there's only been a total of around 3000 people who attended. That's a massive turnout...Wyoming must be the Democrats most populated states, it must be wall to wall Democrats there. I guess Clinton's going to have to drop out. She might won California, New York, New Jersey, Ohio...but wow he's really winning Dick Chaney country isn't he? And again...what a turnout!!

[wileedog]

46. Why do you hate democracy? nt

[TheDeathadder]

54. I don't think anyone hates democracy

wait is there a group that does? no no one hates democracy...though there have been a billion "SAVE OBAMA - STOP THE PRIMARY" Threads. Wait is that the change the Obama people are looking for? Do the Obama people plan on trying to vote Obama in for life so we get real change. And they will set up their kingdom in Wyoming where everybody knows it's wall to wall democrats. Sorry Hillary it's all over...Obama's winning the Wyoming Caucus.

[thoughtcrime1984]

38. The two most populous counties, those containing Cheyenne and Casper

have yet to report. This could be very good for Obama, although I will admit I am not certain of that.

[thoughtcrime1984]

52. I believe when these 2 counties report, Obama could

widen his lead back to the 2-1 range.

[Beacool]

39. And this is a surprise, how?????

As predicted, nothing new here. He does well in caucuses and he'll also do very well in MS thanks to the African American vote.

I don't think anyone in the Clinton camp expects to win either state. I didn't even remember that the WY caucus was today until I turned on CNN.

[cali]

49. He does well in primary states too!

He's won as many as Hill has. And I love the way that hill supporters try and disparage the AA vote. BTW, he won in VT last Tuesday. It was a primary. Less than 1% of the population is AA. We're an older state and have slightly more women here than the norm. We're definitely not a red state. And he beat her by something like 25 pts.

[TeamJordan23]

43. Is there going to be a 'projected winner' soon?

[K Gardner]

44. Hillary told her audience in Cheyenne yesterday: "A Caucus is not an election. People who

vote for me don't know how to caucus and so they don't go."

I've GOT to find this video.. its priceless ! CNN, of course, agreed.

[Bread and Circus]

76. That's because Hillary goes for the uneducated racist vote.

Let's be honest here.

[Life Long Dem]

47. Isn't the spread what Hillary needs to win at for the remainder of states?

[SoxFan]

50. But the black neighborhoods in Gillette have reported

[MadBadger]

53. Some of the Clinton areas Coming in...58-41 with 56% reporting

[Windex]

56. update

57 percent of votes in..

Obama -58
Clinton-41

[snappyturtle]

57. Thanks for the update! Welcome to DU!

[Windex]

61. thanks

This is so exciting!

GO OBAMA!!

He's our only hope!

[snappyturtle]

130. I also think he's the only hope! I've seen this country do and accept

so much strange stuff the last seven years that I won't bet that my hope becomes reality! But I HOPE so! Ha!

[FlyingSquirrel]

58. The press doesn't care. "PA is the new Ohio" is their new meme

Swallowed whole from the Clinton campaign and spewed back into our living rooms.

[democrattotheend]

78. Good

Let them keep talking about why PA is favorable to her, which it is. Let them keep saying she will win it...one of Obama's big problems has been the expectations game.

[Dogmudgeon]

59. ... and the early gloating is IN ...

--p!

[rodeodance]

74. 58-41 now---a tad but of less gloating now that he has dropped from high 60's

[JackORoses]

81. It will go back up. Watch when Cheyenne comes in.

[Dogmudgeon]

119. I thought that WY and MS were projected to break 65-35.

But very little polling was done there, and Wyomingans (?) are notoriously contrary anyway.

--p!

[NDambi]

140. final total please? ha ha...it burns your butt, I know it...

[MidwestTransplant]

64. Who cares what a bunch of latte drinking cowboys think :)

[Strelnikov_]

66. So much for Wyoming's short lived period in the 'counts' column n/t

[Windex]

87. Wyoming results by county here:

http://www.cnn.com/ELECTION/2008/primaries/results/stat...

[tamzins]

88. Obama will win the nomination too

because he is the future of America. Hillary will self-destruct because of her dirty politics.

[Windex]

90. 65 percent in

Obama -58
Clinton - 41

[rodeodance]

91. 58-41

[usregimechange]

92. 58% - 41%!!!

[Windex]

95. 70% in 58 to 41 still

[Windex]

101. 74 % 58 to 41

[usregimechange]

93. He won Casper vote! Teton not even in yet and battleground Laramie co

[adoraz]

94. who does it look like should wins those?

any more Obama counties?

[usregimechange]

126. Clinton was suppose to, Teton is outstanding, it should go to him by large margins

[Scurrilous]

96. Kick

[ElsewheresDaughter]

97. it's an open cacus in Obama's cousins home state...I would hope he wins but that said..............

Even if Obama blows Clinton out of the water in Wyoming, his delegate haul will be minimal.

To come out with a six-delegate advantage, he’s going to have to win with a margin of 41 percent

[Drunken Irishman]

99. You have to be registered as a Democrat to caucus.

[grantcart]

100. I think you had to register 15 days ahead

also the liklihood of somebody going to a caucus and giving a false vote is very low.

[Sulawesi]

103. Obama's cousin, Cheney, is one of the reasons he's favored? wth?

[adoraz]

109. you're right about Obama's cousin

because Obama always bashes him so much. Wait, what are you getting at?

[tammywammy]

115. Open to registered democrats

[Kukesa]

118. Yeah, Wyoming doesn't count . Ha! n/t

[VotesForWomen]

104. and that's about the percentage that repugs will beat dems there by in Nov. guess we won't be

seeing a whole lot of electoral votes from wyoming, so who really cares what they think? sorry, but this is just a reality. i live in western SD, right next to wyoming, and guess what? we're not going to give the dems one single electoral vote in november either, so why should they really care if our voters prefered obama?

[Jersey Devil]

108. OK, got it - Wyoming doesn't count

[VotesForWomen]

116. could you explain exactly how it does count in the GE? please, maybe i'm not seeing it.

i've been living over here in SD for quite a while, and i my recollection both SD and WY have gone repug in the GE by landslide margins forever. are you saying that if O is our nominee we will pick up these states? if so, well, kool-aide, you know.

[Jersey Devil]

122. By your logic Texas doesn't count either

You think if Hillary is tne nominee we are going to take Texas?

Touche

[VotesForWomen]

125. it doesn't, really. although i suppose it may be a little more representative. nt

[Jersey Devil]

128. I bet it would have counted if Hillary had won more delegates than Obama

Just like Nevada, which, by Clintonian logic normally doesn't count either, but now does because it went for Clinton

[jefferson_dem]

105. Barack wins Laramie county 62-38

[Exilednight]

111. Nearly 80% counted and CNN refuses to call it with a nearly 20 point lead.

[jefferson_dem]

114. I hate to defend that network but I think they are all waiting until the last caucus closes

before calling it. That should be at 6:00pm.

[berni_mccoy]

112. But Clinton Has WON ONE STATE with more than 60% of the vote!

For a little dose of reality for the Cinton supporters, see: http://journals.democraticunderground.com/berni_mccoy/2...

[BumRushDaShow]

113. 59 - 40. 78% of vote. n/t

[Zachstar]

121. GOBAMA!!! Let us hope he gets over 60%!!

HOPE!!

DREAM!!

ACT!!

GOBAMA!!

[Hippo_Tron]

133. Wyoming doesn't count

[SoxFan]

135. Too many antelope

[krkaufman]

139. 100% reporting... BO 61% (7 delegates), HC 38% (4 delegates)

http://www.cnn.com/ELECTION/2008/primaries/results/stat...

[polichick]

141. Great!

[LibertyorDeath]

142. Sweet