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stewert Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-08-08 12:34 PM
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How Can You Support Hillary after This
Edited on Sat Mar-08-08 12:40 PM by stewert
I used to like Hillary, now it's questionable. But if Hillary beats Obama I will bite the bullet and vote for her in November. And of course I will vote for Obama if he wins.

But how can any Democrat support Hillary in the primaries after she said this in Texas.

Hillary Clinton told reporters that both she and the presumtive Republican nominee John McCain offer the experience to be ready to tackle any crisis facing the country under their watch, but Barack Obama simply offers more rhetoric.

I think you'll be able to imagine many things Senator McCain will be able to say, she said.

Hes never been the president, but he will put forth his lifetime of experience. I will put forth my lifetime of experience.

Senator Obama will put forth a speech he made in 2002. Clinton was referring to Obamas anti-war speech he delivered in Chicago before entering the United States Senate.

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Her and McCain are qualified, but Obama offers nothing but rhetoric?

Did she forget he voted the right way on the war and she didnt, that's rhetoric?

Basically she endorsed the REPUBLICAN John McCain over Barack Obama.

I can not support her in the primary after those statements. If Obama beats her I can see McCain running ads of Hillary saying the above statements where she says McCain would be a better president than Obama.

That is unacceptable to me. She crossed the line with those comments.

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SoFlaJet Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-08-08 12:36 PM
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1. I'm gonna keep posting this until it sinks in
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TomClash Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-08-08 12:40 PM
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4. One speech, one vote, one lie, one million casualties
How about that Hillary?
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hueyshort Donating Member (293 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-10-08 01:54 PM
Response to Reply #4
115. Yawn, Next Smear
Edited on Mon Mar-10-08 01:55 PM by hueyshort
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RUMMYisFROSTED Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-08-08 12:42 PM
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10. The last half is a campaign commercial, if I've ever seen one.
Mentioning "experience" in her IWR vote. :eyes:
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CoffeeCat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-08-08 12:47 PM
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21. Hillary's entire campaign is based on...
the ridiculous notion that the only thing "Barack Obama has is a speech
he gave in 2002."

Yeah, his ENTIRE campaign is about that ONE speech in 2002. He's never
EVER talked about anything else, except that speech.

Normally, I get angry about lies like this; absurd, brazen lies that everyone
can clearly see--are false.

However, it's clear that she is going to sink herself--with her haughty, nails-on-the-chalkboard
personality and attack lies that everyone sees through.

All she has is exaggerations, lies and that dead look on her face.

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TomClash Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-08-08 12:38 PM
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2. Many of us feel the same way
You are in good company. Read Bob Herbert's column in the NYT today: http://www.nytimes.com/2008/03/08/opinion/08herbert.htm...
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IndianaGreen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-08-08 12:41 PM
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7. "Elect me or something horrible will happen to you."
That's an excellent column by Bob Herbert. Thanks for the link.
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TomClash Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-08-08 12:47 PM
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20. You're welcome nt
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CoffeeCat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-08-08 12:40 PM
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3. She crossed the line--for many Democrats...
Edited on Sat Mar-08-08 12:55 PM by TwoSparkles
You just don't do that. You don't disparage and attack a fellow Dem, by propping up
the Republican candidate.

Her remarks are not sitting well with Democrats. The Democrats took a second look at
Hillary. A few came back. Now that they've seen how ugly her campaign is, finally--the
Dems will swing back and give this race to Obama.

Her 3:00 a.m. add did nothing positive. Obama won Texas. That ad only ran in Texas. However,
there is significant blowback from that ad, because many see how she AGAIN helped prop up
McCain with that ad. She looks like an idiot who doesn't think beyond the end of her own nose.

She's done. Her recent vitriol has only cements the belief that she's a vicious, calculating,
self-serving, egomaniac machine who cares only about her own power.

She's gone too far, and whatever "mo" she was able to manufacture from her 10-point Ohio win
and her RI win--she has now smashed with a hammer.

Democrats know a knifing manic-depressive when they see one.
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ElsewheresDaughter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-08-08 12:40 PM
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5. Kerry asked McCain to be his VP in June 2004...Hillary spoke truth about Obama's lack of experience
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Quixote1818 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-08-08 12:43 PM
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11. So what, he had secured the nomination and wanted to win
It was going to be a tight race and if he had, had McCain he might have pulled it out. You are comparing apples and oranges. Hillary has done the unthinkable in politics and it's disgusting.
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Slagathor Donating Member (244 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-08-08 12:44 PM
Response to Reply #5
13. PROTIP: everything Kerry did was wrong
he lost because he sucked.
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RUMMYisFROSTED Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-08-08 12:45 PM
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15. Watch the YT link in #1.
"Experience" indeed.

It's only a minute of your life. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-BDqbPs27As
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stewert Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-08-08 12:46 PM
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17. I dont care

I dont care if Kerry asked McCain to be his vp in 2004, it's meaningless to me.

A Democrat should never say a REPUBLICAN would be a better president than a Democrat, ever.

And Obama has plenty of experience, if he needs advice on things he will put smart people in his administration just as Bill Clinton did in 1992.

Hillary crossed the line, and any Democrat who votes for her in a primary now is not very smart.



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RainDog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-08-08 01:21 PM
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66. Kerry was the crony democrats' candidate who took out Dean
Edited on Sat Mar-08-08 01:22 PM by RainDog
...the other democratic candidate that offered hope, who challenged the people of America to create the change they want, not expect it to come from "on high."

but your post makes a good point. The establishment, cigar-puffing backroom power dealers screwed over the democratic base in 2004, too. Kerry didn't do one goddamn thing to contest the OBVIOUS voter fraud in Ohio... so, yeah, Kerry is an example of what I DO NOT want in a democratic candidate. If Kerry had brought in McCain, you can bet that many, many democrats would have defected. Most of us are not republican lite with millions of dollars to blow on a bid for the white house.

At that time I said I would hold my nose and vote for him. I also said that was it for me, as far as voting just because.

To see you all defend her is just beyond me. Would you do the same if Obama had said something similar and promoted McCain over Hillary? No, you'd be screaming sexism and how unfairly Hillary has always been treated. Your double standards are amazing.

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verges Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-08-08 05:18 PM
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103. ?!?!?!?!?!?
Edited on Sat Mar-08-08 05:19 PM by verges
YOU DON'T ADVOCATE A REPUBLICAN CANDIDATE OVER A DEMOCRAT CANDIDATE!!! iT'S THAT FREAKIN' SIMPLE!!!
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Bluerthanblue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-08-08 12:41 PM
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6. I hope you get some answers that make sense.
I'd like to hear a good reason.

peace~
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writes3000 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-08-08 12:42 PM
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8. Here's The New McCain/Clinton Ad...
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FlyingSquirrel Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-08-08 12:42 PM
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9. It's a deal-breaker.
No question.

And when half the Democratic Party has to get out the clothespins for their noses to vote for someone, combined with most of the Republican Party and 60% of independents already against them......

No way could she beat McCain.
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Slagathor Donating Member (244 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-08-08 12:43 PM
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12. She's a toad
a hedgehog, incapable of human emotion, an embarrassment and a disgrace to the party.
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OPERATIONMINDCRIME Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-08-08 12:44 PM
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14. Easily. It Was A Perfectly Acceptable Statement Made In A Strategic Way.
Stating that she has more to rely on in the GE when there will be a head to head and experience will be part of it, while attempting to sway voters into the mindset that it is HER that will competently be able to do so, is perfectly fine in the context of a Primary battle.

The silliest thing of this whole campaign season yet, is the feigned and almost absurd outrage being parroted about these statements. I can't help but laugh each time someone tries using it on the level of "GASP! How DARE she!". Too friggin funny what people will latch onto and run with. Holy cow.
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cali Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-08-08 12:52 PM
Response to Reply #14
25. Actually she did say that she and McCain have the requisite
experience to be President and that Obama doesn't. Had she left our the part about McCain, it wouldn't be as contentious a statement. And she's repeated it. It may not bother you, but you're flat wrong if you don't think it bothers dem insiders and SDs. They realize that obama may well be the dem candidate and they know that McCain will use Hillary's words in a campaign ad against him.

What I think is friggin HILLarious is your believing that you fool anyone with your faux impartialitiy. It's a riot.
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OPERATIONMINDCRIME Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-08-08 12:55 PM
Response to Reply #25
28. I Am Being Impartial. Hence, My Being Able To See It For What It Was.
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verges Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-08-08 05:33 PM
Response to Reply #28
105. A betrayal
of the Democratic Party?
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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-08-08 01:18 PM
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CoffeeCat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-08-08 12:54 PM
Response to Reply #14
26. When Obama mentioned Ronald Reagan...
...and the mere notion that Reagan "change the trajectory of American politics" you and
the rest of your cohorts lambasted Obama for days and weeks. You couldn't attack him
enough for simply making a statement of fact about Reagan changing the course of American
politics. You accused him of being a Reagan lover, a Republican sympathizer and you also
insinuated that he loved Reagan policies.

It was a horrid, deplorable thing Obama did--by saying those comments about Reagan!

However, when Hillary praises McCain's "lifetime of experience" and says that he would be
better suited to be President, than Obama---that's ok with you????

It's ok to outright praise McCain and his "experience" which includes suggesting 100 more years
in Iraq, but it's total mayhem and shock when Obama simply says that Reagan changed politics?

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Quixote1818 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-08-08 12:55 PM
Response to Reply #26
27. Well Put. nt
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OPERATIONMINDCRIME Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-08-08 12:56 PM
Response to Reply #26
29. I Did? Prove It Please.
You're not just making something up like a reckless ignoramus, are you? Please prove you aren't. Thanks. :hi:
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CoffeeCat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-08-08 12:58 PM
Response to Reply #29
33. All of you did it!! This board was filled--for days...
...with posters who were outraged, shocked and simply on their knees with rage--because
Obama made a statement of fact about Ronald Reagan.

These boards were saturated with hundreds of original threads about this.

Are you denying that the Hillary people made an issue out of Obama and his Reagan comments?

Go ahead, I want to hear you deny that.
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OPERATIONMINDCRIME Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-08-08 12:59 PM
Response to Reply #33
37. Again. Prove It. Prove I Ever Did Such A Thing. If You Can't, I Expect An Apology For Your
reckless knee jerk ignorance.
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CoffeeCat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-08-08 01:05 PM
Response to Reply #37
43. It is FACT that Obama and his Reagan comments...
...provided days and days of lies, distortions and fucked-up manipulations
created by the Hillary supporters.

That is a fact and you damn well know it!

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OPERATIONMINDCRIME Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-08-08 01:12 PM
Response to Reply #43
51. Stop Deflecting. Either Prove I Engaged In It Or Fucking Apologize For Your Lies.
"you and the rest of your cohorts lambasted Obama for days and weeks."

"You couldn't attack him enough for simply making a statement of fact about Reagan changing the course of American
politics."

"You accused him of being a Reagan lover, a Republican sympathizer and you also
insinuated that he loved Reagan policies."

"All of you did it!!"


Prove I did such things. If you can't, then admit you were wrong. Your attacks on me were baseless and without merit. Are you a decent enough person with enough integrity to stand up and admit your wrong and in error? Or will you instead continue to deflect weakly while being exposing for having been caught in an ignorant knee jerk lie?

I will patiently await your decision.

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CoffeeCat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-08-08 01:21 PM
Response to Reply #51
67. It is FACT that...
...DU was saturated with you and everyone else eviscerating Barack Obama for his Ronald Reagan comments.

You---YES YOU--are a hypocrite--because you blindly accept Hillary's comments about McCain, while
behaving like crazed lunatics when Obama mentions historical facts about Reagan.

I will not apologize. In fact, I will continue repeating this and I will enjoy repeating that YOU
and others like you--who support Hillary in her McCain comments are scorched-earth, hypocrites
for making a mountain out of Obama's Reagan comments and praising Hillary's McCain comments.

You're a hypocrite. You're an obfuscater.
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OPERATIONMINDCRIME Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-08-08 01:25 PM
Response to Reply #67
75. No Integrity Whatsoever. Shame On You. To Be The Type Of Person That Can Lie So Blatantly, Get
caught doing so, be called out for it, yet still not have the backbone, integrity, honesty or decency to correct the record, shows you to be a quite disgusting individual.

Never in a million years would I engage in such false attack and then not have the integrity and honor to admit my wrongs.

You've been busted here. WAYYYYYYY busted. You can't deflect away your disgrace.

You said:

"you and the rest of your cohorts lambasted Obama for days and weeks."

"You couldn't attack him enough for simply making a statement of fact about Reagan changing the course of American
politics."

"You accused him of being a Reagan lover, a Republican sympathizer and you also
insinuated that he loved Reagan policies."

"All of you did it!!"

You were wrong. I did no such thing. You used slander and lies to make a point that wasn't real. You got caught. Instead of doing the right thing and standing up with integrity and admitting your wrongs, you instead continue attacking as if no one will notice you blatantly lied and acted ignorantly.

Well here's a news flash for ya: Plenty of people just saw you get decimated and called out. Your deflections will not save you from that.

You had a chance to make it right. Instead of doing the right and honorable thing, you took the way of a downright coward. Shame on you.
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CoffeeCat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-08-08 01:32 PM
Response to Reply #75
81. You are a liar and a hypocrite for supporting Hilllary's McCain
comments---and you are even worse for jumping on the bandwagon with the rest of
the DU Hillemmings for your hysterical blathering when Obama made benign comments
about Reagan.

That's my position. I'm proud of it. I won't be changing it anytime soon.

You can rant your pretty little head all you want. You can froth at the mouth all
night for all I care. You can even pretend that you've set up a virtual morals
court, and that you're slapping my wrists.

It won't change the fact that you and most of the Hillary supporters are hypocrites
as you praise Hillary's McCain quotes, but bashed Obama for days about his Reagan
statements of fact.

Do it up, hypocrite!
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OPERATIONMINDCRIME Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-08-08 01:34 PM
Response to Reply #81
82. So Now You're Continuing To Lie. How Disgusting. Prove It. Prove I Ever Did Any Such Thing.
You can't, and you know you can't.

No. Integrity. Whatsoever.

Shame on you.
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CoffeeCat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-08-08 01:39 PM
Response to Reply #82
85. I can and I just did...
You all did it. You're all guilty.

Any one of you Hillary apologists who accepts Hillary's praise of McCain---while spending
days attacking Obama for pointing out historical facts about Reagan "changing the trajectory
of American politics", is guilty of searing hypocrisy and talking out of both sides of your mouth.

ALL OF YOU...who apologize for her, while not applying the same rules to Obama when he made his
Reagan comments--ARE guilty of being shameless, mindless dirty-trick sympathizers.

It's disgusting, and it's revolting. You're all a big part of this mess and you're accountable.

That includes you! Yes, you!
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OPERATIONMINDCRIME Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-08-08 01:42 PM
Response to Reply #85
87. I Didn't Spend Days Attacking Him. You Again Are Lying. You Are Deserving Of No Respect.
Edited on Sat Mar-08-08 01:42 PM by OPERATIONMINDCRIME
If it's one thing I hate in life above ALL ELSE, it is someone who blatantly lies.

You have been exposed for being dishonest, and then to make things worse, continue to lie even after having been exposed.

I can think of no more of a disgusting way for a DU'er, nay, a PERSON, to be.

You're done. Bye now.
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CoffeeCat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-08-08 01:47 PM
Response to Reply #87
93. Well, at least we can agree that we're done! Adios!
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SoFlaJet Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-08-08 12:58 PM
Response to Reply #14
32. you need
a brain surgery OPERATION on your MIND so badly that it's CRIME-if you think THIS is "perfectly fine" and one has to seriously wonder if you really ARE a democrat or not-I mean seriously wonder
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OPERATIONMINDCRIME Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-08-08 12:58 PM
Response to Reply #32
34. It Was Perfectly Fine In The Context It Was Used. Get Over It.
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SoFlaJet Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-08-08 01:02 PM
Response to Reply #34
38. you really are clueless
you're NOT just pretending with the Devil's Advocate act...WOW...
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OPERATIONMINDCRIME Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-08-08 01:03 PM
Response to Reply #38
40. No. I'm Intelligent And Objective. Fear Not Though, I'm Not Under Any Illusion That You'd Get It.
:hi:
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CoffeeCat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-08-08 01:12 PM
Response to Reply #40
50. Being able to rationalize...
...that it's ok when a Democrat eviscerates another Democrat--by propping up
a Republican--and then lying your ass off about your fellow Democrat--is something
that I don't even want to "get."

I hope I don't ever go off the cliff like that. "Getting" that kind of nasty, creepy
behavior, requires a suspension of someone's conscious and their sense of decency.

No thanks.
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SoFlaJet Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-08-08 01:16 PM
Response to Reply #50
59. TwoSparkles
friggin ROCKS
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SoFlaJet Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-08-08 01:14 PM
Response to Reply #40
55. no what you are is a contrary-ian
in every thread I've seen you-you take pride in playing The Devil's Advocate which considering who you are NOW supporting is kind of appropo
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OPERATIONMINDCRIME Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-08-08 01:17 PM
Response to Reply #55
60. Wrong.
I take pride in taking the side which is rational and right.

Being contrary is a byproduct of the fact that I generally feel the need to respond to threads that contain inaccuracies, unfair attacks, ignorant ideals, over reactionary knee jerking stupidity, or other things that are in need of the OMC smack of reality. Couple that with the fact that my posts that AREN'T contrary do not stick out to you, and it would make sense that you would default ignorantly to thinking I'm merely trying to be a contrarian. In reality, I'm being a voice of reason where it is needed. It's not about being devil's advocate. It's about setting things straight.
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SoFlaJet Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-08-08 01:20 PM
Response to Reply #60
64. then your reasoning barometer is malfunctioning
if you believe what The She Devil has said is good for the democratic party-have it checked out bro
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CoffeeCat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-08-08 01:08 PM
Response to Reply #34
46. Keep rationalizing Hillary Clinton's demonic bullshit...
It's so fun to watch the Hillary lemmings putting flowers and rainbows on
hateful, disgusting, bi-polar, vitriol.

It's comedy on one hand. Then it's a horror movie on the other hand.

It's a Hormedy!
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OPERATIONMINDCRIME Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-08-08 01:19 PM
Response to Reply #46
62. Please, Spend Your Time Addressing The Above.
The longer it takes you, the longer it is out there that you lack integrity, honesty, and attack unfairly with made up bullshit lies. Will you do the right thing or won't you? The clock ticks....
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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-08-08 01:23 PM
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71. Deleted message
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OPERATIONMINDCRIME Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-08-08 01:26 PM
Response to Reply #71
77. Wait: So Now It's A PROBLEM To Defend Oneself Againt Outright Lies And Attack?
My my how sad it must be to live in your world.

:crazy:
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CoffeeCat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-08-08 01:23 PM
Response to Reply #62
72. Just wondering...
...Is that a chive in your tooth?
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CoffeeCat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-08-08 01:03 PM
Response to Reply #32
39. Good point SoFlaJet...
I think it's essential for Hillary supporters--to have some part of their
brain removed--in order to go along with her bullshit, sociopathic stunts.

You know what this is like? It's like running against George Bush! She
commits the same outrageous dirty tricks and schemes that Bush did. This
board is no different when it was Kerry v Bush.

We Obama people are disgusted with Clinton's fearmongering, hate, lies,
distortions, manipulations and bullshit---and it's the same shit that George
Bush and Rove pulled on Kerry!!

DU feels like the 2004 General Election all over again.

HOw in the world DEMOCRATS and DUers can put up with Hillary's shit, is
totally beyond me! This is the stuff we were all galvanized against, when
Rove did it! Now the Hillary lemmings are rationalizing it and even applauding
these tactics.

It's so fucked up!
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OPERATIONMINDCRIME Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-08-08 01:04 PM
Response to Reply #39
41. Shouldn't You Be Spending Your Time Trying To Support Your Ignorant Attack Above?
I called you out. You still have some proving to do, lest you look like an ignorant liar.
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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-08-08 01:08 PM
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OPERATIONMINDCRIME Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-08-08 01:14 PM
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54. I Live For That Which Is Right. Nothing More, Nothing Less.
Get over it. :hi:
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SoFlaJet Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-08-08 01:15 PM
Response to Reply #54
57. how long you been here OMC?
serious question
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OPERATIONMINDCRIME Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-08-08 01:19 PM
Response to Reply #57
63. Long Enough To Know How To Look At Someone's Profile.
Jeez, do you need to be spoonfed everything?
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CoffeeCat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-08-08 01:15 PM
Response to Reply #41
56. I dispelled your hysterical batherings...and you damn well know it.


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OPERATIONMINDCRIME Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-08-08 01:21 PM
Response to Reply #56
68. Tick Tock Tick Tock. The Clock Continues To Tick. Will You Show Integrity Or Disgrace? Let's See.
Let's see if you have it in you to do the right thing or not. Let's see how much integrity you really have.

Tick, tock, tick, tock....
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SoFlaJet Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-08-08 01:24 PM
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74. I'll answer for TwoSparkles
see post #71
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OPERATIONMINDCRIME Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-08-08 01:28 PM
Response to Reply #74
78. It's Not Up To You To Answer For Her Downright Lies. It's Up To Her To Apologize, Or Be A Coward.
That's not a decision for you to make.
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CoffeeCat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-08-08 01:35 PM
Response to Reply #78
83. It's not a decision that I'm going to make either
I don't owe you anything, but you owe this entire board an explanation for
this quandary:

Why is it ok for you to praise Hillary's propping up of John McCain---but it is
not for Barack Obama to state statements of fact about Ronald Reagan's place in
history.

If I owe you a virtual, online apology (LOL) then it's only fair that you answer
for this blatant hypocrisy.

Or...do you just want to continue to play Judge Judy on acid?
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OPERATIONMINDCRIME Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-08-08 01:39 PM
Response to Reply #83
86. I Never Said It Was Wrong For Him To Do That. Your Turn. Will You Continue To Dishonor Yourself?
Edited on Sat Mar-08-08 01:40 PM by OPERATIONMINDCRIME
You had a chance already to do the right thing, and you didn't. Will you take this new chance?
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CoffeeCat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-08-08 01:42 PM
Response to Reply #86
88. I will continue to say that it is hypocricy...
...and I won't stop.

You are free to define my actions any way you want.

Do it up.
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OPERATIONMINDCRIME Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-08-08 01:43 PM
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89. I Have Defined Them, And Defined Them Accurately.
I have a feeling you've just lost much respect from those viewing this thread, who aren't part of your clique.
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CoffeeCat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-08-08 01:46 PM
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92. Oh no...
...my "online respect-o-meter" has been dented.

I guess that kills all of my future hopes and dreams.
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CoffeeCat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-08-08 01:25 PM
Response to Reply #68
76. Isn't putting you in charge of judging someone's integrity...
...a bit like putting Jeffrey Dahmer in charge of a cooking show?

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OPERATIONMINDCRIME Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-08-08 01:30 PM
Response to Reply #76
80. I Have Integrity. You've Proven That You Don't. It's There For Everyone To See.
There have been times I've said things here that were wrong or mischaracterized someone's position. After seeing otherwise, I would ALWAYS stand up, admit my error, and take my lumps.

See, that's called INTEGRITY. I've proven I have it. You've proven you don't.

No attacks you can throw at me in this thread can change that simple fact. You were called out and failed. You posted disgusting lies and when called out for them, refused to undo them. That's not integrity, that's cowardice.
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CoffeeCat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-08-08 01:43 PM
Response to Reply #80
90. So, then you WOULD...
...put Jeffrey Dahmer in charge of a cooking show?

You're sick.

Sick, I tell you!
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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-09-08 09:49 PM
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OPERATIONMINDCRIME Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-09-08 10:01 PM
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111. Why? For Running Circles Around Everybody?
Too bad, so sad, you'll get over it. :hi:
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verges Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-08-08 05:31 PM
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104. Okay, what if
she doesn't get the nomination? Even before this happened, I would have put Obama's chances ahead of hers. She has now damaged the Democratic nominee (if it is Obama)!! If the nominee is her, than she has hurt her own chances by angering a LARGE portion of the Dems.

Had she made the same statement without mentioning McCain, it would have been completely acceptable. Had she said someway that she is better equipped to face-off against McCain in the general, it would have been acceptable. It is not acceptable to say that the Republican nominee is flat out better than a potential Democratic nominee.

Had she said it here, she would deserve to be tombstoned.
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Arkansas Granny Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-08-08 12:46 PM
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16. Not again!?!?!?!?!
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City Lights Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-08-08 12:46 PM
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18. I want someone to ask her if she approves of the USSC appointments
a President McCain will make. The crap she puts forth need to be thrown right back at her.
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DearAbby Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-08-08 12:46 PM
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19. Well, if your gonna vote for experience...
may as well vote for the one with the most, RIGHT?

Senator Clinton has crossed that line, you dont compare a GOPer over one within your own party. To me that is a betrayal of the party. Call me quirky...I place value on party loyalty.
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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-08-08 01:21 PM
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69. It's not even only that. McCain has a lifetime of experience as
Edited on Sat Mar-08-08 01:22 PM by sfexpat2000
a corrupt hack. If I know it, I assume Senator Clinton does, too.
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DearAbby Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-08-08 02:07 PM
Response to Reply #69
95. What gets me, they would be happy
for Obama as VP, and thus one step away from the presidency...with NO EXPERIENCE but a GD speech!! They give themselves away. Obama is just as qualified and as experienced as Hillary and McCain.
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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-08-08 02:13 PM
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97. They're just trying to frame him as the junior partner because
HE'S WINNING.

lol

I bet Senator Obama isn't interested in buying a bridge, either.
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verges Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-08-08 05:54 PM
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107. Comparisons are okay.
It's when your comparison says that the Repub is the better candidate.
examples:
Dem candidate to Bush and Dem comes out ahead-- acceptable
Dem candidate to Bush and Dem comes out as bad--acceptable (but only because Bush is not a potential candidate{shaky but not fatal})
Dem candidate to Rep candidate with the Dem coming out ahead--acceptable
Dem candidate to Rep candidate with the Dem coming out as bad--unacceptable

It's not rocket science
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CyberPieHole Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-08-08 12:48 PM
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22. I see nothing wrong with what Clinton said. She told the truth. The truth HURTS.
Quit your whining and get over it.
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jalynn Donating Member (121 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-08-08 12:57 PM
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30. She Stated just
Edited on Sat Mar-08-08 01:51 PM by jalynn
A fact. The fact that her & McCain have experience and Obama does not have much. He hasn't even finished his 1st term in the senate. She did not in anyway endorse or support McCain. Obama is the one who said he respected Reagan. This is really getting to be tiring. Don't make more of it then what it was meant to mean. He was not in the senate to vote for or against the war, but he keeps voting to fund the war, so you figure it out for yourselves if you are able to.
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RainDog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-08-08 01:13 PM
Response to Reply #30
52. you guys just don't get it, do you?
or are you trying to spin away her sleazy political b.s.?

she went against the other dem nominee and promoted a republican as more qualifiied. this is the FIRST TIME IN HISTORY that one democratic candidate has smeared an opponent in his/her party and pumped up the opposing party.

It makes me want to vomit to see you all on here trying to claim that what she did was harmless. It wasn't. It was unprecedented. It shows the depths to which she will sink to make herself look worthwhile. Your responses remind me of the "it depends on what the definition of 's' is."

No it doesn't. It depends on acknowledging that you made a bad choice and now you committed perjury, or treason against your own party. So, I guess we already do see the possiblities we'd have with yet another Clinton dynasty candidate.
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Oleladylib Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-08-08 12:57 PM
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31. THANK YOU..you saved me saying the same thing.
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RainDog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-08-08 01:05 PM
Response to Reply #22
44. I'm over it. I will not vote for her.
Edited on Sat Mar-08-08 01:07 PM by RainDog
If she's the nominee, I cannot vote for her. If you cannot see how atrocious her remark was, we don't belong to the same party. I'm a democrat. You're a Hillary shill. The issue isn't experience per se, see. It's judgment. Hillary exhibited very bad judgment. What is her experience in foreign policy, btw? how many times was she in a decision-making position on foreign policy? Both she and Obama have been in the Senate where they actually have a say in foreign policy to some degree (considering the republican one party actions... that's even debatable.

I've said all along that I would vote for whomever might win the nomination. But she changed that for me.

If she gave a god damn about the party and her country she'd drop out now. The longer she stays in, the more democrats she will alienate. Then I suppose the choice for too many becomes.. stay home or vote for Nader?

I don't think you and other devotees of Hillary can realize how repulsive she is to many of us, including this white mother who is supposedly her base. In the real world, I don't know one person who supports her.
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CyberPieHole Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-08-08 02:15 PM
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98. I won't vote for Obama either. Neither will many people who don't trust the Chicago Charlatan.
The CULT of Obama fails to realize how despicable their "Messiah" is to half of the American electorate. If the CULT gets him the nomination, they won't be able to sway the other half...and say hello to President McCain. In the real world, I don't know of ONE single person who supports Obama, I guess we tend to surround ourselves with like~minded individuals, huh? :evilgrin:
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RainDog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-08-08 03:06 PM
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102. I'm no member of a cult
I was for edwards and didn't go for anyone else until recently. I don't give a fuck if you try to insult me by calling me part of a cult. I wasn't for Bill, either, but I voted for him anyway. I wasn't for Kerry, but I voted for him anyway. The comparison here is between Kerry and Dean, not shills and a cult. Deaniacs (and I was not one, tho I did support him) got the same b.s. from the politics of triangulate and kill hope.

And, no, I'm not talking about like-minded individuals. I am not a "joiner" - I'm not part of any group. I'm talking about the bumper stickers I see, the conversations at work with people I barely know, that sort of thing. You may surround yourself with mini-me's, but I don't. Since I've just recently decided to back Obama, your "cult" and "messiah" insults are particularly off the mark. I wasn't so thrilled by either of the remaining candidates. After Edwards got shuffled off by big media and big pols...

so, go ahead and try to b.s. your way out of this. I don't care. If the hillerites don't want to vote for Obama, stay the fuck at home and he'll still win.

then again, if McCain did win, should we all thank Hillary for her support of McCain and her slash and burn politics within the democratic party? Your attempt to create an exact comparison fails on many points. And Hillary's power at any cost is the difference.

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galaxy21 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-08-08 12:48 PM
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23. Hillary would like to think she's Nixon...
But she's nowhere near as crafty as he was. He had some subtlety. Heck, half the stuff she's done has made her look even worse. Did she really think saying 'as I far as I know' to the Muslim question would get most of America thinking he was some of Manchurian candidate? Everyone I know who saw that just rolled thier eyes and thought how pathetic she was.
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DrFunkenstein Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-08-08 12:50 PM
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24. Grassroots Organizing Doesn't Count For Anything in Her Book
She just doesn't understand. And the more Obama plays up his life's history, the more people will see these comments for the crap it is.

By the way, Lieberman also endorsed McCain.
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npincus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-08-08 12:59 PM
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35. I have to thank her for making me unsympathetic
Some time ago, I had good will toward her though I was supporting Obama. But that was then.
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BringBigDogBack Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-08-08 12:59 PM
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36. agree that it was a terrible and disparaging thing to say of another Democrat
To say I was highly disappointed would be a grand understatement. :mad:
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Ediacara Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-08-08 01:05 PM
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42. For the Brazilianth time: OBAMA DIDN'T VOTE ON THE WAR
"Did she forget he voted the right way on the war and she didnt, that's rhetoric?"

It's kind of hard to forget (or remember) something that didn't happen...
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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-08-08 01:23 PM
Response to Reply #42
70. But he came out against it when it was unpopular to do that. n/t
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Ediacara Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-08-08 02:12 PM
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96. Speechifying is not the same as VOTING
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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-08-08 02:23 PM
Response to Reply #96
99. That's true. Most people don't keep track of votes
they way they keep track of public speech.
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Ediacara Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-08-08 02:40 PM
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100. Are you being obtuse intentionally?
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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-08-08 02:50 PM
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101. There is nothing "obtuse" about this.
Edited on Sat Mar-08-08 03:00 PM by sfexpat2000
Most people remember what is said on camera. They do not google to look up votes.
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Ravy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-08-08 01:06 PM
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45. The only vote Obama has made on the war was to fund it.
I can't figure out if some of you intentionally misrepresent the issues, or don't know the issues, or make up issues so you can keep telling yourself over and over that Obama is good and Hillary is bad.
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apocalypsehow Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-08-08 01:12 PM
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49. Case in point right here.
n/t.
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apocalypsehow Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-08-08 01:10 PM
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48. Oh, the HRC boosters would find reasons to back her if she openly endorsed Bush for a third term.
They are unable or unwilling to think for themselves - just post reams and reams of dreary horseshit regurgitated whole from the Clinton campaign's daily talking points.
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rodeodance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-08-08 01:13 PM
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53. No doubt about it. BO has less experience that either HRC or mccain! So what is your beef?
(foreign policy)
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apocalypsehow Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-08-08 01:15 PM
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58. Yak - yak - yak. The HRC boosters don't even bother to disguise the cut-and-paste anymore. Sad.
n/t.
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Seabiscuit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-08-08 01:20 PM
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65. I will vote for either candidate in the GE no matter what they said in the primary
because I realized that its campaign rhetoric bullshit. So Hillary says that Obama doesn't have enough experience, that's what I would expect any nominee to say about the other. The John McCain part was a boneheaded move but so what she or Barack will take McCain down in the GE.
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verges Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-08-08 06:03 PM
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108. And
I'd rather not have a bonehead of that magnitude in the Oval.
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Mezzo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-08-08 01:24 PM
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73. How can you support Obama after Ohio? Harry and Louise anyone? PLEASE! hypocrites. nt
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RainDog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-08-08 01:28 PM
Response to Reply #73
79. The two are not the same
If Obama had said "Hillary doesn't understand health care issues. I do, and so does McCain."

then it would be the same. understand the difference? unwilling to acknowledge the difference?
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Milo_Bloom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-08-08 01:38 PM
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84. Because she pays them to?
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leftofthedial Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-08-08 01:44 PM
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91. that was despicable
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lumpy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-08-08 02:06 PM
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94. Case in point . Obama did not vote against the war. He was
elected to the Senate in 2004. Point: the average voter knows very little about their candidate of choice.
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stewert Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-10-08 01:51 PM
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114. Lumpy

Most people who opposed the war, know that Obama never actually voted for the war. Because he was not in the Senate before the war started, that is common knowledge.

They know that he opposed the war and that he made a speech saying he opposed it, before the war. He also said if he had a vote he would vote no.

When some people say Obama voted against the war, they are only referring to the fact that he was opposed to the war, and that if he could he would have voted against it.

They will say Obama voted against the war, when they know he was not even in the Senate when the vote was taken. It's called spin, and everyone does it.

So just because people say Obama voted against the war does not mean they do not know he never actually voted against the war. I tell people Obama voted against the war all the time, even though I know he never actually voted against it.

It's a lot easier to just say he voted against it, then explaning how he was not in the Senate yet, but he gave a speech where he said he would have voted against it.

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Liquorice Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-08-08 05:36 PM
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106. That's nothing compared to what
Ted Kennedy did, and yet most democrats like him:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ErosyL95VqA
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verges Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-08-08 06:18 PM
Response to Reply #106
109. TK
was standing behind a "Kennedy '80" banner. that tells me that he was campaigning against Jimmy Carter for the nomination at the time that was filmed. He was NOT stumping for Reagan, he was stumping for Kennedy. He is not endorsing Ronald Reagan there. He didn't even mention RR. If he had, then you would have a comparable argument. Since he didn't, you don't.

BTW. The McCain campaign will appropriate the footage of Sen Clinton, just like the Reagan campaign appropriated that footage of Kennedy. But, Clinton actually does mention McCain.
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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-10-08 01:43 PM
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redqueen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-10-08 01:44 PM
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113. Posting it here is against the rules.
Please delete it from here, and just alert on the PM.

You can parahrase, but quoting it is against the rules.
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