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NJSecularist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-08-08 12:19 PM
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Are the voters in Wyoming having buyers remorse with Hillary?
Edited on Sat Mar-08-08 12:20 PM by NJSecularist
I believe so.
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tekisui Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-08-08 12:21 PM
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1. I am curious if she even has a speech planned tonight?
Anybody know?
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RUMMYisFROSTED Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-08-08 12:59 PM
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23. You won't hear a peep.
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thunder rising Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-08-08 12:21 PM
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2. No remorse, WY didn't even put a down payment on Clinton.
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stop the bleeding Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-08-08 12:52 PM
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18. thats funny
:beer:
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ruggerson Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-08-08 12:22 PM
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3. Hillary was never expected to do well in WY
despite the lowered expectations spin here to the contrary
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TwilightGardener Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-08-08 12:26 PM
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4. Why not? Are there too many latte-sippers in WY? I don't see why
she can't do well there. Explain.
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tammywammy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-08-08 12:27 PM
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5. Too much republican cross over & independents
:rofl:
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Strelnikov_ Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-08-08 12:33 PM
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10. Worst coffee in the world
Maverick convenience store in Lusk WY, late-June 1985, 3:00 A.M..

About as far from latte as one can get.

It did serve it's intended purpose in waking one up, though.
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TwilightGardener Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-08-08 12:37 PM
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11. Amen. I have been on that stretch of I-80 enough to know that
it's hot, and brown, and needs a lot of doctoring.
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ruggerson Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-08-08 12:46 PM
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14. Because it's a caucus
Obama voters are younger, more activist, motivated types in general. They will show up at a caucus. Clinton voters, generalizing again, are older and not as tuned into the process and would show up at a primary, but not participate in a caucus.

There are 57,000 registered Dems in WY. Look and see at the end of the day how representative the vote totals in the caucus is of the entire state.

Them's the rules, and Obama will win this quite legitimately. But no one can make a rational argument that the caucuses are a method of selecting delegates that works to expand democracy and reach out to more voters. Most of them are relics of a much earlier time and will, hopefully, be abolished down the road in an effort to encourage more participation.
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NJSecularist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-08-08 12:49 PM
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16. Nobody was complaining when Hillary won in Nevada
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ruggerson Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-08-08 12:55 PM
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20. Who's complaining?
Obama is getting a well deserved win. But, the caucus system being what it is, it's not necessarily representative of the will of Wyoming voters. It may be, but if you look at the few states that held BOTH primaries and caucuses (WA and TX for example) it's pretty easy to see that there are big differences between overall voter preferences in a primary and what happens in a caucus.
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TwilightGardener Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-08-08 01:00 PM
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24. Why is it not repesentative of the "will" of the voters? Is someone
preventing Hillary caucusgoers from showing up? Seems to me she's got about 40% right now.
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ruggerson Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-08-08 01:10 PM
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31. Because if a caucus, say, attracts 20% of registered voters
and a primary attracts 50% of registered voters, it's pretty obvious which one is more representative of the actual will of the voter. OBama could very well have won a primary here, too. Probably by a much closer margin. But, we'll never know.
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TwilightGardener Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-08-08 01:22 PM
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39. If the voters have the "will" to see their candidate win, they show up. Nuff said.
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NJSecularist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-08-08 03:45 PM
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45. Very well said.
Each candidate knew the ground rules before they established an exploratory committee. They knew they'd have to win in the caucus format as well as the primary format.
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Leopolds Ghost Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-10-08 01:20 PM
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57. Bad statistics
20% and 50% are equally accurate representations of the population.

Research is done with what, 1% of the population is a statistically accurate sample.
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angie_love Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-08-08 01:01 PM
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25. Obama won the WA primary though and he only lost the TX primary by 3 pts.
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ruggerson Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-08-08 01:05 PM
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28. but look at the difference in the numbers between the primaries and the caucuses
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angie_love Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-08-08 02:19 PM
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44. you can't fault Obama for doing well in caucuses b/c hes more organized.
I mean really...what do you propose happen now?
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Exilednight Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-08-08 12:51 PM
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17. WIth huge caucus turnouts this season, I could see an argument to promote the opposite.
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ruggerson Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-08-08 12:57 PM
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21. You'd have a hard time making that case
There are very few, if any states, that have had a larger percentage turnout in a caucus than a primary (where the votes actually counted for delegates in the primary).
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TwilightGardener Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-08-08 01:02 PM
Response to Reply #21
26. Caucuses are more time-limited and time-consuming. That doesn't mean
they're less valid.
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Exilednight Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-08-08 01:19 PM
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37. Not really. I would point to the large percentagge increase in caucus turnout over previous....
years, and then point to the general age category of caucus goers, who do tend to be younger.

I would then argue that younger voters are the future of the party and have the ability to grow the party base better than those of us who have been around for a while and have failed to do so.

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TwilightGardener Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-08-08 12:59 PM
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22. So Clinton's base is the ignorant and unmotivated? And you're happy with that?
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ruggerson Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-08-08 01:04 PM
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27. No, they're just average voters
who aren't political activists. Not being tuned into the day to day happenings of this campaign doesn't mean you're ignorant and uneducated. It just means you have other concerns and priorities in your life. Of course, there are conversely some Clinton supporters who are very politically active. IF there weren't, she would not have supporters here at DU.
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TwilightGardener Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-08-08 01:07 PM
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29. I saw lots of average voters at my caucus in Nebraska. I didn't see
anyone who looked like "activists". Our room went 60-40 Obama. Average Nebraskans on a Saturday, that's it. Sorry, that's a bullshit meme.
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ruggerson Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-08-08 01:12 PM
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34. It's not a meme
it's demonstrable fact. A primary, by and large, attracts more voters than a caucus does. Empirical evidence tells us that is the case.
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TwilightGardener Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-08-08 01:19 PM
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36. Again, caucuses are time-controlled, so that limits participation. But unless there's something
that's stopping Clinton supporters from showing up, then both she and Obama have an equally fair shot. So her losses (and wins, she's had a few caucus wins) can't really be legitimately explained away as a process issue. It just shows that her support is extremely fickle, shallow, and probably based on the Clinton brand-name.
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KittyWampus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-08-08 07:06 PM
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47. And Obama wasn't expected to win Ohio or Texas.
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slinkerwink Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-08-08 11:08 PM
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53. there were NO polls in WY
and her 'momentum' after Ohio and Rhode Island should've led her to a win in Wyoming!
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frogcycle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-08-08 12:27 PM
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6. huh?
when did they "buy" her?
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FlyingSquirrel Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-08-08 12:29 PM
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7. People on the ground in WY said her campaign just got there a few days ago
Edited on Sat Mar-08-08 12:31 PM by FlyingSquirrel
And Obama's been there for several weeks.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.ph...
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K Gardner Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-08-08 01:09 PM
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30. Hillary to WY: "Caucuses are NOT Elections." CNN just played a clip of
her actually saying that in Cheyenne yesterday at a rally. She said "People who vote for me don't know what caucuses are and so they don't go."

Is she fucking crazy?
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FlyingSquirrel Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-08-08 01:12 PM
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33. In a word, yes. I believe she is crazy.
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adoraz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-08-08 01:22 PM
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38. LOL, I can't believe she said that
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TwilightGardener Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-08-08 01:25 PM
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40. What? Is she shitting us?
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frogcycle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-08-08 07:05 PM
Response to Reply #30
46. damn, I think maybe it is getting to her
we may need an intervention
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Cha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-08-08 07:36 PM
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49. Yes. And she's turning
her surrogates into zombies.
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City Lights Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-08-08 07:42 PM
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50. OMG, she gets more ridiculous with each passing day.
Now she's insulting her voters too. :rofl:
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NDambi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-08-08 11:07 PM
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52. "Is she fucking crazy? "
Abso-fucking-lutely!
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krkaufman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-09-08 12:40 AM
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55. Wow. Still not ready ... on day 409. Ugh. n/t
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krkaufman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-09-08 12:41 AM
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56. As Kos coined it... it's part of her "Ignore 40 States Strategy" n/t
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Cronus Protagonist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-08-08 12:30 PM
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8. Based on what?
A gut feeling?
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joshcryer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-08-08 12:32 PM
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9. You do? She'd doing better than she's ever done in a small population red state caucus.
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NJSecularist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-08-08 12:37 PM
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12. Voters in Wyoming are clearly rejecting Hillary after her big win in Ohio
Clearly, buyers remorse.
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ruggerson Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-08-08 12:48 PM
Response to Reply #12
15. lol
even from here I can see the smirk on your face as you're typing.
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Renew Deal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-08-08 12:38 PM
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13. Between the polls and Wyoming, it's clear that people object to Hillary endorsing McCain.
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surfin Donating Member (250 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-08-08 12:54 PM
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19. Her buddy Cheney could not get them motivated for her
Did you see the videos on here yesterday of Cheney speaking and then followed Hillary saying the same thing. They had several of them.
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TheDeathadder Donating Member (731 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-08-08 01:11 PM
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32. her buddy?
Dick's his cousin.
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surfin Donating Member (250 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-08-08 01:47 PM
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41. I wish I could find those videos on here yesterday
Maybe someone knows about them and you will see her copying (sorry for hillary people xeroxing) his words and giving them out.
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TeamJordan23 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-08-08 01:13 PM
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35. Even if she did, she would not congratulate him again. nm
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skooooo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-08-08 01:48 PM
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42. From the way Obama is running up the numbers...

...it would seem so.
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NJSecularist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-08-08 01:54 PM
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43. Agreed
The voters are clearly having second thoughts.
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HeraldSquare212 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-08-08 07:34 PM
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48. The voters are now getting serious.
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City Lights Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-08-08 07:46 PM
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51. All signs point to yes. eom
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Beacool Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-08-08 11:39 PM
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54. Oh please, so much nasty B.S. on this board!!!
Obama was predicted to win WY because it's a caucus state and he'll definitely will win MS thanks to the African American vote.
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AtomicKitten Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-10-08 01:24 PM
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58. Clearly, and how about the momentum shift? Dayum.
:thumbsup:
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