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spinbaby Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-08-08 12:02 PM
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Dirty dealings in Pennsylvania
I just came back from an Obama meeting in Washington County PA, where the Democratic party is firmly in the pocket of Hillary Clinton. Obama representative reported that the local Democratic committee had a "candidates' forum" last Saturday in which only Clinton was represented. Clinton supporters spoke, Clinton events were announced, and everyone was encouraged to take home a Clinton yard sign. When Obama's people complained that they weren't notified of the forum, they were told "Well, we notified the NAACP."

I'm steaming.

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TheZug Donating Member (886 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-08-08 12:03 PM
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1. Playing dirty just means you're "tough"--you know, like Barry Bonds and Bill Belichick.
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mrreowwr_kittty Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-08-08 12:03 PM
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2. "We notified the NAACP"?! WTF??
My hatred for these people grows daily.
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democrattotheend Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-08-08 12:09 PM
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8. The NAACP has not endorsed Obama, have they?
If not that's disgusting!
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me b zola Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-08-08 08:20 PM
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42. Whether they have or not is completely irrelevant
Edited on Sat Mar-08-08 08:21 PM by me b zola
What they did is akin to if Democratic officials in an Obama strong hold said that they had notified NOW (National Organization of Women) of the forum--as if only women are supporting Hillary.

What they did was racist, underhanded, and nasty.


It's official. I despise all things Clinton.
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Eric J in MN Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-08-08 09:05 PM
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53. Charites are legally banned from endorsing political candidates.
Edited on Sat Mar-08-08 09:06 PM by Eric J in MN
Whoever said, "We notified the NAACP" was making a racist remark.
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krkaufman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-09-08 03:36 AM
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55. Precisely. I take it to have been an overtly racist statement. n/t
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Zachstar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-08-08 12:15 PM
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15. I agree What the hell is going on?
Looks like Obama has some work to do in that state.
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Drunken Irishman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-08-08 12:23 PM
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Don't ya' know all blacks know each other?
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superkia Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-08-08 12:45 PM
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24. You forgot, we all look alike and we act the same! I guess they...
figured telling an organization instead of the candidate or his supporters was enough.
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City Lights Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-08-08 12:53 PM
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27. I second your WTF?
Hillary Clinton has clearly stated that she cares only about one thing: Winning. Winning. Winning. Winning.

Whatever it takes.

:puke:
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Strelnikov_ Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-08-08 08:11 PM
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41. WTF WTF
We need to get some light shined on this.
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rocktivity Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-08-08 12:05 PM
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3. So just go organize an Obama candidates' forum
and if they they complain, tell them you notified The View!

:headbang:
rocknation
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sniffa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-08-08 12:12 PM
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12. ....
:rofl:
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anigbrowl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-08-08 01:16 PM
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31. Agree - it's worth spending a little money on
do a mailer using the voter's register, see if you can get an elected official or superdelegate from Obama to address it, tell the local newspaper they'll get some good pictures etc. And be sure to slap 'Democratic party' over everything so it looks official.

The good thing is with 6-7 weeks until the PA primary you can build campaign momentum - ie have something new and more interesting happening every weekend so people feel the election has come to their doorstep.
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Cha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-08-08 08:32 PM
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48. And it's good to find this out early as if
no one could have guessed.

ed rendell and his psyche ops..but, they will have to deal with Philly and Will Smith for Obama!
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Cha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-08-08 08:30 PM
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47. Tell them you notified
rush limpbaughs.
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ekwhite Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-08-08 12:05 PM
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4. Typical Pennsylvania politics
She is counting on the backing of "Fast Eddie" Rendell and those kind of tricks to win Pennsylvania. Obama supporters are just going to have to work that much harder the next few weeks to overcome that kind of crap. We are counting on you to knock her out of the race.
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spinbaby Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-08-08 12:08 PM
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6. Oh, believe me, I'm working
But it sure would be nice if the local party stayed neutral and supported all Democrats.
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Kukesa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-08-08 01:26 PM
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36. And thank you for that, spin baby. n/t
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jlpohio69 Donating Member (141 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-08-08 12:08 PM
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5. With all due respect....
You heard this at an Obama meeting, which would not provide an unbiased report of what happened. Same thing would happen if I told you I just came from a Hillary meeting and was told something that was not favorable for Hillary. All of this must be taken with a grain of salt. Frankly I think the NAACP thing is just the Obama supporters trying to stir up the race issue again.
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spinbaby Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-08-08 12:09 PM
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7. I believe it
Not just because I'm Obama supporter, but because I know the local Democratic party.

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goclark Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-08-08 01:03 PM
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30. Sure ~ my friend worked on the Obama campaign
Edited on Sat Mar-08-08 01:04 PM by goclark
in Ohio -

He is a lawyer.

He said he has never in his life seen the kind of dirty tricks inspired by Hillary ~ and he has been a loyal member of the Democratic party for years!

He is still angry,beyond words, about the acts that he WITNESSED in Ohio.

This is not something he heard about, this is what he SAW with his own eyes.
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jlpohio69 Donating Member (141 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-08-08 01:54 PM
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39. Again, this has to be taken with a grain of salt....
He told you he witnessed it, so you believe him. If I tell you I witnessed the complete opposite, you have to believe me...so we are back to square one. He said, she said, they saw...it goes on and on and on...
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Cha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-08-08 08:34 PM
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49. You're the one who's pushing salt..
why should anyone listen to you? Do you even know how condescending you sound?
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Horse with no Name Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-09-08 03:43 AM
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61. Yet the majority of the complaints in Texas are against the thuggish tactics of the obama campaign
I soooo believe what you are saying. :rofl:
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OzarkDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-08-08 12:10 PM
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9. Sounds like Obama's field campaign isn't getting off the ground in PA
Is he running out of money?

Why sit around and whine? If you support him call his campaign and tell them to get busy, as Clinton's is doing.

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democrattotheend Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-08-08 12:23 PM
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20. What makes you say that? n/t
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OzarkDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-08-08 01:17 PM
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32. Its the campaign's job
to get in touch with local Dem groups and find out what the event calendars are. Pretty basic.
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krkaufman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-09-08 03:39 AM
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57. don't fret. the poster is one of the more ridiculous partisans ...
... putting serious weight behind the Shrillary handle.
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cali Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-08-08 01:21 PM
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33. nah, we leave the whining and
lying to hilly and the hillbots. And no, he's got plenty of money. He outraised hilly in Feb by 20 million. Furthermore, he's been up and running in PA for longer than hilly and has more events planned. Despite the filthy politics of hilly supporter Governor Rendell, he'll make her work there.
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Barack_America Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-08-08 08:27 PM
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44. Lol! You are welcome to stay with me and see Obama's ground game in action!
That is, once my Obama "springtern" leaves.

After that, the spare bedroom is all yours!
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writes3000 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-08-08 12:11 PM
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10. Oh Good God...
How disgusting.

Let us know if there is someone we should write to. And thanks for blowing the whistle.
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sniffa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-08-08 12:12 PM
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11. Aside from the tactics, the response that "they notified the NAACP"
is unbelievably fucked up.
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TwilightGardener Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-08-08 12:13 PM
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I told yinz PA was racist. I grew up near the border of
Washington and Allegheny Co's, and I am not surprised one bit.
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BlackVelvet04 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-08-08 12:13 PM
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13. I think your forum name is appropriate to the post. n/t
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Hepburn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-08-08 12:13 PM
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14. Typical dishonest Clinton tactics....
...no suprise here that AGAIN Hillary showed her true POS colors.

JMHO
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Donkeykick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-08-08 12:15 PM
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16. Yeah OK.
:eyes:
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1776Forever Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-08-08 12:17 PM
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17. I am sending this to KO - This is really unbelievable!!! Wow - Dean should do some checking on it!!
:argh:
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spinbaby Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-08-08 12:22 PM
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19. I'm waiting to see if the local paper reports any of it
They certainly know about it. Well, they know the part about Obama being shut out, don't know that they know the NAACP part.

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JimGinPA Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-08-08 12:21 PM
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18. I Think We're Way Ahead Of HRC Here In South Central PA
There have been meetings & events going on for a few weeks.
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spinbaby Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-08-08 12:23 PM
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21. Here, too.
It's not like the local Obama supporter and delegates are a secret.

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1776Forever Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-08-08 12:36 PM
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23. Since you are in PA - Take a look at this video - Is that your Govenor in it?
Edited on Sat Mar-08-08 12:38 PM by 1776Forever
I think there is a lot of stuff out there on Hillary and Bill that will come out in the next few weeks and months and this will include an impending trial in CA for Paul v. Clinton - video (on the bottom of the page)and info at:

http://www.hillaryproject.com/index.php?/en/story-detai... /

This in no way says that Clinton is guilty BUT the trial is going to be coming up in Oct, 08!
:wow:
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IronLionZion Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-08-08 01:23 PM
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34. Jim, where are you exactly?
I think that's awesome. I'm from Somerset, dark red Republican country.

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JimGinPA Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-08-08 08:01 PM
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40. Lancaster County - Pretty Red Here Too
:hi:
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Yael Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-08-08 12:32 PM
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22. We will be cleaning up
shit stains for months after she leaves this state.
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BumRushDaShow Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-08-08 12:48 PM
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25. Philly is
Obama territory. Fast Eddie has no say or power here and he and Mixmaster Mike know that. As DLCers, they are bound to support the Clintons and its a losing battle in this very blue collar, unionized city. The news reported on the Obama supporters out there in force when the candidate presentations were being made to the city Ward leaders yesterday.

The ground operation is here in the state but remember that Clinton only focuses on "big states" and puts little or nothing on the "meaningless" small states. I.e., she has no "50-state strategy" but he does and is focusing on racking up state after state after state - letting people get to know him. Obama has traveled from sea to shining sea and just looking at those Wyoming pictures today made me once again lapse into awe at the electorate - many new - who were willing to come out to hear him speak. There is still a little over 6 weeks to go and plenty of time after the MS primary, to have the full blitz hit our state.

As an easterner, I wish you luck out west... :hi:
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Cha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-08-08 08:39 PM
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50. Thanks for the report on Philly, BumRushDaShow!
I keep thinking Will Smith, a hometown boy, and his many friends helpin' out Obama in Philly. :)
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yellerpup Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-08-08 12:50 PM
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26. That's ugly.
Deep breath. You are in no way defeated.
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stop the bleeding Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-08-08 12:56 PM
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28. Has anyone seen this reported? If so this could get fugly
I say fugly cause we have been at ugly for a week now. :beer:
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eleny Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-08-08 12:56 PM
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29. I hope you send this story to Keith Olbermann
Edited on Sat Mar-08-08 12:57 PM by eleny
Just a thought. But he would be the one I'd tell.

KOlbermann@msnbc.com
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Kukesa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-08-08 01:25 PM
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35. Send it to the Obama campaign people. Now. n/t
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Rageneau Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-08-08 01:49 PM
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37. If you just came back from an "Obama Meeting," where were the Obamans?
They seemed to be pretty well organized in other states, so why not in PA?

And I hope you aren't 'steamed' at Hillary's people for doing their jobs. Had Obama's done theirs, you wouldn't need to feel 'steamed.'

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Scurrilous Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-08-08 01:53 PM
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38. Kick
:kick:
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goldcanyonaz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-08-08 08:22 PM
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43. Notified the NAACP for what?
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Barack_America Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-08-08 08:29 PM
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45. To them Obama = the NAACP. You know 'cause he's "colored"...
and so the NAACP must be an official arm of the campaign. :eyes:
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PITBOS Donating Member (109 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-08-08 08:30 PM
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46. At least CALL your local newspaper/press
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McCamy Taylor Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-08-08 09:01 PM
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51. For a unity candidate, Obama's supporters use RAGE a lot. Rage won't solve this country's problems.
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anonymous171 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-08-08 09:02 PM
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52. Holy shit! "Notify the NAACP"!?
Are you serious?
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krkaufman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-09-08 03:36 AM
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54. Yes, racism is *so* very yesteryear.
wow.
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scheming daemons Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-09-08 03:38 AM
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56. I live in Washington County also..... and I'm working to change this too...
....
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Onlooker Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-09-08 03:40 AM
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58. You heard this at an Obama meeting?
Wow, seriously, you heard bad things about Clinton supporters at an Obama meeting? I bet you never hear bad things about Obama supporters at Clinton meetings. Hey, I have some oceanfront property in Arizona for sale. Interested?
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cooolandrew Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-09-08 03:41 AM
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59. The best thing to do is organise and vlunteer to to monitor precincts best solution...
Edited on Sun Mar-09-08 03:43 AM by cooolandrew
Also any obstruction to fair eections you can consult elgal advice. Must organise now and set up meetings get contributions if any legal represenntation is needed. ACLU might be of assistance.
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Horse with no Name Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-09-08 03:42 AM
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60. It incited you, correct?
Are you completely sure it is accurate information?
The obama campaign is VERY GOOD at race baiting.
Personally, it lost it's legitimacy when you said "the obama representative reported".
I've seen how they do things.
They probably lied to piss you all off. And it worked.
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scheming daemons Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-09-08 03:45 AM
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62. My cousin is the county commissioner in Washington Co... and he's a Hillary supporter....
....and trust me... the OP is DEAD ON in describing Washington County politics.


This is a racist area here.... very much so.
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Horse with no Name Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-09-08 03:47 AM
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63. sorry if I don't believe you
I do believe you might be full of shit.
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scheming daemons Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-09-08 03:50 AM
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65. Larry Maggi, County Commissioner of Washington County, is my cousin....
...go off-line with me and I'll show you the family tree if you want.


I've lived in Washington County my whole life.... and I know this area.


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Horse with no Name Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-09-08 03:53 AM
Response to Reply #65
66. The only thing I have seen of you
is Pro-bama and Hillary-hate...all the time.
I don't believe anything you say online and I certainly wouldn't believe anything you said offline.
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scheming daemons Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-09-08 09:03 PM
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69. You're right... I'm very pro-Obama... my cousin, the county commisioner of Washington Co. PA, is ...
...very pro-Clinton.

This area is very pro-Clinton in general.


I'm definitely working against the tide here.



I couldn't care less whether you believe me or not..... if you're interested, I'll talk to you about it. Obviously, your mind is made up.
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donheld Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-09-08 03:59 AM
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67. Can't be much more full of shit than you have been lately
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Horse with no Name Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-09-08 04:00 AM
Response to Reply #67
68. Pot? Meet kettle.
And how the hell do you keep slipping off of my idiot..I mean ignore list?
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istopforcookies Donating Member (50 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-09-08 03:48 AM
Response to Reply #60
64. Don't believe
verify. verify. verify.

Oh, a Obama supporter said this about a Shillary supporter?

Oh...then I don't have to.

Nope.

Not working.

Try again.
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