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K Gardner Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-08-08 12:28 PM
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Clinton & The Media: "Media People are Living in Fear.. It's Affecting News Coverage."
Many Obama supporters have voiced the concern that the press coverage of Obama has changed dramatically since the SNL fiasco, not that the coverage is bad.. it is that it is nonexistant. I've received PMs and seen messages in other places but GD :P where people are wondering if it is their imagination.. has the narrative changed THAT dramatically or are we imagining things? Could the narrative have really changed enough to affect, even by a few pts, the vote? For those people, the Bill Mahr panel discussion last night will be extremely illuminating. Joe Scarbrough admits that the narrative has, indeed, changed. And while he tries to spread the "blame" to both camps, I personally found his comments enlightening in the way the Clinton Campaign and supporters are interacting with the media and affecting the news coverage.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TGvDYKtHyMw&feature=rela...

This is Part 1 of the panel discussion on Bill Mahr last night. Scarbrough's comments begin at minute 7:30 and continue on the Part II video.

(start at minute 6:30 to hear comparison between Hillary/Obama debate performance)

Guest: "Obama is an incredibly thoughtful, literate person. The kitchen sink campaign theory of campaigning has brought out the many faces of Hillary Clinton.. she's acting more like a bipolar personality person, she seems genuinely troubled. Watching that debate with the two of them.. even his body language - he wasn't going to upset her. The more upset she got, the more level-headed he became and I think we have to look at that."

This led into Scarbrough's comments:

Joe: "There have been minefields for Obama the press has been tiptoeing through. If you attack Hillary Clinton, organizations will call and say, ' Get that person off the air'. Media people are living in FEAR.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ypzOyIOULOU - Comments start at the beginning of this clip

Guest: "Do you feel after Clinton's campaign was uptting all this pressure on the media to adopt a new stance the media felt shamed into adopting that.. because the narrative changed so dramatically."

Joe:"They're playing the refs. The Clinton people say, "You're giving Obama a pass, you're kicking her, you're screwing us. So what happens? The narrative changes. Its from both sides. Network executives and editors are getting bombarded. They're making these complaints and its affecting news coverage."

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babylonsister Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-08-08 12:32 PM
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1. I watched Maher last night; maybe we need to do some collective
complaining. I'm in...
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K Gardner Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-08-08 12:35 PM
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5. We're definitely behind in the complaint department evidently. One thing I wondered..
is the Obama camp even aware that the narrative has changed? Do they sit around in front of a bank of TV monitors, watching this stuff 24/7? I am reminded of Howard Fineman saying that when he called Axelrod to ask him about the developments in the NAFTA story, Axelrod wasn't even aware of it. Do they know that coverage of Obama has not only been diminished, but that he is being totally discounted by the media while they're pumping up Hillary? Just wondering how tuned in they are to the overall narrative..
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babylonsister Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-08-08 12:47 PM
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14. They should be aware, and there is a bank of monitors. Check this
video out... And I'm concerned, too. I think they're holding their fire a bit until after the next two primaries.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JOKPpGx03GQ
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K Gardner Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-08-08 12:51 PM
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19. OMG.. what a find ! This is fascinating. Wouldn't you just LOVE to be there ! Thanks :-)
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global1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-08-08 12:33 PM
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2. Well It's Time That Obama Brings Out The Big Guns Again And Starts.....
to change the narrative back to him.

Call up Ted and Caroline Kennedy. Call up Oprah.
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K Gardner Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-08-08 12:38 PM
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8. I agree he needs to create something the media will HAVE to cover.. I posted last night of
some rather pointed remarks he made in response to Hillary's attack. These remarks, made while in Casper at his rally, were not reported anywhere - no video, nada. It was as if he'd not even responded. If they refuse to cover him, I have no idea what can be done to change that trend. I have a feeling the WY results, if they favor him, will be minimized and marginalized. We'll see.
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cottonseed Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-08-08 02:48 PM
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45. I was thinking the same thing.
I agree with the OP that coverage has basically just dropped since (probably SNL). I haven't seen more than 5 minutes of Obama on television in the last week!

As far as your post goes, I agree totally. He needs to apply some shock treatment to the press. Get them talking again. What better than to call in the big guns and the big O.
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thunder rising Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-08-08 12:34 PM
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3. Thanks. I cannot find videos or coverage of the "big (NBA sized) rallies and speeches" .. Nothing
I like to watch his rallies. I like his message. The youtube of his rally at UW was great for the 5 minutes it lasted.
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thunder rising Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-08-08 12:37 PM
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6. to add: The Press must be held accountable for squelching the access of the public to the events
They are allowed (and do) record the entire event, but choose to keep the record in a vault instead of publishing it. Their job is to project the event to the world and they do not. After the fall of the Bush regime, I think it's time to start looking at the public contract that media have violated.
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K Gardner Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-08-08 12:41 PM
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11. I wondered about this. I thought I remembered that CSPAN was created
in order to give "equal coverage" to all campaigns, and therefore, the media could get away with not covering fairly. But can they REALLY get away with NOT COVERING one campaign at all while giving full coverage to another? Those are questions I do not know the answer to, but it is disturbing, especially after FL 2000 and OH 2004.. and what was done to Gore and Kerry at the media's hands.
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thunder rising Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-08-08 01:54 PM
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42. Then we find out that CSPAN owns rights to the records. Pelosi found out using Republican clips
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bleowheels Donating Member (356 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-08-08 12:35 PM
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4. I, for one, think that we have had enough politicians who threaten and intimidate the media.
No more I say!
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Stephanie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-08-08 12:37 PM
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7. The Clintons strongarm anyone who steps out of line
Edited on Sat Mar-08-08 12:58 PM by Stephanie
They've been doing it in New York for years now. If a NY pol or operative steps out of line, they will get a visit. I have no doubt the press gets the same treatment. In fact we saw it with the cancellation of that Bill Clinton article a few months ago that was subsequently printed in another mag (forget the author, story was about Patti Solis Doyle's mismanagement of the campaign).
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global1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-08-08 12:51 PM
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18. Where Do The Clintons Derive This Power From......
why are they so feared and at the same time hated - yet revered.

I don't understand it? This always draws me back to GHWB Sr. 4yrs + WJC 8yrs + GWB Jr 8yrs and now potentially HRC for 4 or 8 yrs. Why is all that power tied up in these to family names? What are the ties between these two families? Why does the media alway go along with them?
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K Gardner Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-08-08 01:02 PM
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26. The answer to THAT question is a long, sorry story.. some DUers have spent
years documenting this stuff. I don't know where to find it, but I'm sure its archived somewhere. I'll look for a good starting point for you to reference ! :hi:
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Stephanie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-08-08 01:04 PM
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27. They do not hesitate to threaten.
People want to protect their jobs, or they want to get jobs, or they want access. With the Clintons, you're either on board or you're out in the cold.
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apocalypsehow Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-08-08 01:46 PM
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39. Yep - just like the Bush family. Those two families are two sides of the same scummy coin.
n/t.
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pdxmom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-08-08 12:40 PM
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9. I saw this last night and was stunned at Scarborough's candor about
this. He is saying straight out that they are being told to report in certain ways and they are just acquiescing to that. I think it was obvious with the 3 AM ad. That was, originally, an ad buy only in Texas. But the Clinton's put it out in a press release before it aired and the media spent days reporting on it. Clinton got a ton of free advertising across the country. She didn't have to purchase ads elsewhere...they had the media doing their advertising for them. Very similar to the Swiftboat ads against Kerry. Small ad buy in one location turned into free advertising for days around the country.
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K Gardner Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-08-08 12:41 PM
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12. Exactly. And Obama's ad buys, which were many, were not to be seen anywhere during
the run-up to the OH/TX vote.
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Medusa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-08-08 01:07 PM
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29. He's a Republican remember
and he doesn't give a fuck about speaking about about the Clintons. It won't hurt him in the least. Oddly though, he's been cheerleading for her on the morning show. Make no mistake, the GOP wants her as their candidate.

But I don't understand why the Obama campaign doesn't put the screws to the MSM and force them to out the Clintons on all the shit that has been floating out there about them. It makes Rezko look like a Sunday School Teacher.
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DemVet Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-08-08 12:40 PM
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10. Maybe Obama is finally getting some well-deserved scrutiny? Could that be it?
I think so.

The only other coverage he was getting at the time was of his magnetism, his charisma, his speaking skills, his power to make women faint at rallies.

Was his stand on the issues covered? No.

Was his character covered. No.

Finally, some "real" coverage of the candidate in question.
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K Gardner Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-08-08 12:42 PM
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13. We're not talking about "bad" coverage. We're talking about NO coverage. That's not "real" in any
sense.
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DemVet Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-08-08 12:49 PM
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16. Hmmm...I don't know what you're watching or reading, but I see alot of coverage of Sen. Obama.
Seriously, I haven't seen NO coverage of Barack Obama.
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K Gardner Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-08-08 12:55 PM
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21. Look at this for just ONE example..
They aired Hillary's attacks on Obama all day.. but no mention at all of his response. None. It is only fair if one candidate attacks, you air the response. Seriously. If the positions had been reversed, you better believe Hillary would have gotten air time for HER response.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.ph...
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pdxmom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-08-08 12:58 PM
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24. Exactly. Hillary throws a bomb and all we hear is about is the bomb. No
matter how or whether Obama responds, the response isn't mentioned. Except, of course, when it's negative coverage, like Powers' "monster" bomb.

It's obvious media bias and it will continue, unless something can happen to change the trajectory.
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cottonseed Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-08-08 02:51 PM
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46. I would point to yesterday's "Monster" coverage.
Edited on Sat Mar-08-08 02:51 PM by cottonseed
They spent the entire day on Friday discussing and dissecting this "Monster" incident. No one can honestly call this "scrutiny".
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splat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-08-08 12:48 PM
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15. Adoration is so unseemly in newsrooms
It's about time they stuck to the facts.
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sandnsea Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-08-08 12:49 PM
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17. "Organizations" will call
Feminist organizations. The ones that got Imus thrown off the air, made Matthews apologize, got Schuster suspended. I think it's time some of us Obama people get zeroed in on OUR organizations and make sure we're pushing as hard as her people are.
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babylonsister Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-08-08 12:54 PM
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20. I second that. Pick an issue, any issue, we need to bring to the
media's attention, and I'm in and will cheerlead for it. I'm getting real tired of this onesidedness.
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K Gardner Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-08-08 12:59 PM
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25. What about just the reporting of the actual delegate and vote
totals, like say, from TEXAS? LOL. Obama won the delegate count. What about the new net delegates picked up from the recount in California? Or the votes that were not even counted for Obama in New York.

There was the attack on Obama yesterday by Hillary, Clark, et al, based on the false accusation that Samantha Powers said Obama wouldn't pull the troops out.. total misrepresentation.. and no outlet picked up Obama's response.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.ph...

Otherwise, we'd have to do like Media Matters does and actually document from show-to-show the lack of coverage and/or disparity in coverage. One thing is certain, if people are talking about it and Scarbrough is admitting it, it is not our imagination.
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sandnsea Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-08-08 01:09 PM
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30. I think that Ireland story is the best bet
Where she said she helped with the peace process and Trimble basically laughed at her.

I've been trying to think about women and emotional triggers and the only one I can really come up with is betrayal. Has she betrayed any women who were really loyal to her?? We've got to shake this hold she has on women.
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K Gardner Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-08-08 01:24 PM
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33. Well, I don't know about personal relationships.. it'd be nice if
more people she has run roughshod over would come forward. And I've been hesitant to weigh in on this, but I'm actually surprised the story of the controversial case she took when she was a prosecutor hasn't gotten more coverage. Its a minefield, but that woman's story and the comments she made as an adult, with her life ruined, has haunted me since I heard it.
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sandnsea Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-08-08 01:32 PM
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35. The rape case?
I had wondered at the time if there was any evidence to support her statement. There's two things there, one is whether she was willing to smear a 12 year old girl with nothing to back up the allegations. The other is whether she made a false claim to the court. I didn't really look to see how much of it is online, I'll see if I can find more court documents this week-end.
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babylonsister Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-08-08 01:33 PM
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36. Her constant 'defense' of children during 35 years might be
an option, too. Hell, her whole 'experience' lie could be torn apart.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.ph...
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sandnsea Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-08-08 01:44 PM
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38. Yes
I wonder if she took credit for programs in Arkansas that she didn't really have much to do with, like she did with SCHIP. That's sure worth checking into.

Ya know, the Clintons busted the northern unions. Bill's "Arkansas Miracle" was completely based on opening up the state to companies that had traditionally used union labor in the north. That could be another avenue too.
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babylonsister Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-08-08 12:56 PM
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22. It's doable: by Eric Boehlert, Bloggers go to bat for Obama
Bloggers go to bat for Obama
Blogosphere | Media
by Eric Boehlert | March 5, 2008



The Associated Press last week got a preview of how this presidential season is going to unfold, and how online liberal activists aren't going to stand down when the press takes cheap shots at Democratic front-runners.

After AP reporter Nedra Pickler wrote a news story highlighting how some fringe Republican operatives were raising questions about Sen. Barack Obama's patriotism, angry readers dispatched nearly 15,000 electronic letters protesting the piece. Why? Because instead of providing balance and context, which is what good journalism does, the article simply offered a platform for Obama's opponents to roll out their smears, to broadcast their dark doubts about the senator's character.

That kind of media shortcoming has become predictable; reporters love to quote partisan Republicans about how deficient Democrats are. And in the past it would have likely produced angry denunciations online within the liberal blogosphere -- a blog swarm, perhaps. In fact, within hours of the article being posted on the wires, John Aravosis at Americablog condemned the news agency for the way it regurgitated "right-wing lies about Obama lacking patriotism." (Aravosis was simultaneously irked by an interactive poll posted at CNN.com that asked readers if Obama was sufficiently patriotic.) Even without an organized effort, it's likely the Pickler article would have prompted scores of blog readers to send off a fistful of angry missives to the AP.

But nearly 15,000 letters sent in just a matter of days in response to a single news wire article? That's something else entirely and could mark the dawn of a new era in progressive media activism. The phenomenon has received very little mainstream media attention (journalists probably don't want to encourage this sort of thing), but make no mistake: It was a very big deal.

In part because it's become clear that if there's going to be an effective media pushback during this White House run, it's going to have to come from online. Even progressive pundits within the mainstream press corps remain reluctant to step out and criticize their colleagues in any meaningful way. That is still very much a closed Beltway club.

Also, this White House campaign is going to be the test case to see whether the more fully matured liberal blogosphere is able to alter the mainstream media landscape at all, whether it's going to be able to knock the press off some of its favorite, predisposed biases against Democrats. From the looks of the eruption the AP created, progressives have already made enormous strides since the 2004 campaign.

more...

http://www.smirkingchimp.com/thread/13256
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TomClash Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-08-08 12:57 PM
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23. Have patience nt
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Metric System Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-08-08 01:07 PM
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28. Obamaniacs and Rethugs LOVE Joe Scarbrough!
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K Gardner Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-08-08 01:21 PM
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32. You really should speak for yourself and try toning down your rhetoric. It was uncalled for on
this thread, which has been a level discussion thus far. In case you had forgotten, this is what DU is SUPPOSED to be.
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Metric System Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-08-08 01:31 PM
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34. Get off your high horse. I've seen so many vile anti-Hillary threads today and too many posts
calling her a monster.
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K Gardner Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-08-08 01:41 PM
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37. Good luck with your attempt to drag this thread into the mud. Not going to work.
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The Backlash Cometh Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-08-08 01:10 PM
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31. self-delete
Edited on Sat Mar-08-08 01:31 PM by The Backlash Cometh
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amborin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-08-08 01:51 PM
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40. people are catching on...more two-timing and insults to the voters
to the repeated two-timing

saying one thing on the campaign trail....saying the opposite to a different, more official audience.....

people are not stupid, despite what Samantha Powers thinks of them....

and, oh yeah, her WORST remarks were how stupid and easily duped the poor, dumb folks in Ohio are



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lewis_in_fw Donating Member (75 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-08-08 01:53 PM
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41. All I expect is that coverage be balanced and that blatant pandering doesn't transpire *NT*
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K Gardner Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-08-08 02:06 PM
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43. CNN only just NOW played the video of Obama's response to Hillary's attack
on him yesterday re: Iraq. Better late than never, I guess.
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pdxmom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-08-08 02:16 PM
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44. Of course, it's Saturday, when fewer people are tuned in. They've covered
their collective asses, and can say "See, we're unbiased. We aired it."
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K Gardner Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-08-08 03:02 PM
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47. Kicking up for relevance, as the WY results coverage is parroting the Hillary
talking points about caucuses. Anyone who can watch this and feel it isn't biased, isn't watching. Scarbrough already told us what is going on.. and the MSM is cowed to the Clintons out of fear.
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