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debbierlus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-08-08 11:27 AM
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I hope that if this goes to convention, and there is no nominee on the first vote - GORE steps in


Imagine, the first vote goes through....no winner. Now, the delegates can vote for ANYONE they choose.

The adamant supporters of both camps dig in their heels. Neither wants to give their vote to the other candidate. The campaign season has created such animosity that the party is literally split into two...

You think Obama supporters won't leap into a Gore lead ticket, if he puts Obama as his number two. Especially, since the majority of Obama supporters are progressives and wold have supported a Gore ticket from day 1. (I said majority, not all). Hillary's supporters most likely wouldn't bite, and I think it is extremely unlikely after months of a negative slime fest they will double ticket, these two don't appear to just dislike each other, they appear to downright hate each other).

Gore was the best choice from day 1. He most reflects the progressive parties ideals - he supports gay marriage, he is for a single payer not for profit health program, and we could not get a better person for the environment and green energy. Plus, he is the only American politician today that has rockstar GLOBAL status and respect from probably billions around the globe.

If we are REALLY lucky, we will get the best candidate out of this deal. Neither Clinton or Obama holds a candle to Gore in terms of any qualifying characteristic...knowledge, experience, domestic and global positive regard, vision....And, he blows away both of these candidates in terms of committment to a return to restoring accountability to government and reinstuting our constitutional protections.

This country would beyond obscenely lucky, if that happens. Inside party leaders are already looking to Gore to lead out of this mess.

Or, we could get one of these two narcisstic candidates - one much too young and too inexperience with domestic policies too far to the right...one much too divisive and too hawkish on foreign policy (although if you read Obama's foreign policy statements, he is pretty friggin hawkish in his own right). I would hope that if the convention split, the delegates would have the vision to forego their own devotion to one candidate to unite the party under the banner of a once in a lifetime leader.


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NYCGirl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-08-08 11:28 AM
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1. As a member of the NYC Draft Gore group, I can tell you
won't happen.
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msongs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-08-08 11:28 AM
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2. gore is anti-iraq war unlike hillaryobama and does use scriptures to deny equality - go Al nt
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debbierlus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-08-08 11:42 AM
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10. This is a dream scenario. It is appalling that any true progressive would put their candidate above

The chance to lead a true progressive revolution.

On any issue, he is light years ahead of them.

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tekisui Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-08-08 11:28 AM
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3. It isn't really mathematically possible to not have it on the first vote.
Unless Super Delegates cast no vote, or vote uncommitted on the first round, which I don't see happening.
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Perky Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-08-08 12:44 PM
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22. There is actually one way
Edited on Sat Mar-08-08 12:45 PM by Perky
Both would have to have between 2000 and 2023 delegates and Edwards sithil holding his 26.

2023 + 26+ 2000 = 4049
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krawhitham Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-08-08 05:00 PM
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28. Super Delegates could just vote for Edwards n/t
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MonkeyFunk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-08-08 11:28 AM
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4. That would be the stupidest thing that could happen
the problem we have is that we have TWO strong candidates. There's no reason to bring in a third one.

Gore would have two months to raise money and build a national organization. Further, tons of Democrats would be mightily pissed that someone who never worked to get one vote got the nomination. It would ensure a loss for us in November.
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Maddy McCall Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-08-08 11:32 AM
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6. Exactly.
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debbierlus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-08-08 11:34 AM
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8. We do not have two strong candidates...

Sorry, but I don't see either of these people TRULY talking the talk or walking the walk on progressive ideals.

The commitment to a single payer NOT FOR PROFIT health care system (the ONLY solution to the current crisis, mandated health insurance DOES NOT work, I live in MA, people are being fined for not being able to buy into the system and DOCTORS are refusing to
take the new insurance - plus it is economically unsustainable. Costs here in MA are already too high for the state to afford and the projected cost increases over the next few years will destroy this current system)....

And, excuse me, but two candidates think nuclear energy has any place in solving the energy crisis....

We NEED a visionary leader right now.

What we have right now are two corporatist candidates who will try to work the current broken system....the are better on SOCIAL issues and they are not completely insane wackos like McCain. But, they are no progressive visionary leaders. They will just staunch the bleeding.
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MonkeyFunk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-08-08 12:18 PM
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15. Yes, we do have two strong candidates
and it's ridiculous to believe that Al Gore is substantially different from Clinton OR Obama on issues.
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Lorien Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-08-08 12:28 PM
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18. Check out Obama and HRC's thoughts on energy and climate change
then get back to us on that.
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MonkeyFunk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-08-08 12:42 PM
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20. I think they're all in agreement
that climate change is real and needs to be addressed. I think they all support funding alternative energy research.
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debbierlus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-08-08 11:43 AM
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11. Soros would flip Gore 100 million in a New York minute

Are you kidding me?

He could dwarf the other two combined.
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cali Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-08-08 12:15 PM
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13. Really? You've talked to Soros?

And learn at least a little about campaign finance laws.
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MonkeyFunk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-08-08 12:17 PM
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14. No
Soros could give $2,300


Don't be ridiculous.
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MonkeyFunk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-08-08 01:22 PM
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24. No response to your outlandish claim
that it's possible for one person to give 100 million dollars?

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frogcycle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-08-08 11:29 AM
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5. here's how to get it done
Edited on Sat Mar-08-08 11:29 AM by frogcycle
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cali Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-08-08 11:33 AM
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7. Fuck that sick undemocratic racist/sexist fantasy
Nothing pisses me off more. Yeah, I would have supported Gore if he'd run, but no way will I vote for someone chosen by party insiders to usurp the candidacy from either Clinton or Obama, and I don't give a flying fuck who it is. I will work assiduously against any such contingency. I don't give a rat's ass if Obama is on the ticket.

Gore didn't throw himself into the fray. For whatever the reasons he chose not to fight for it.

And I don't believe that Gore is some savior. What a stinking pile of shit all these Gore cult posts are.
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debbierlus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-08-08 11:40 AM
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9. Racist and sexist to want a real progressive leader - Who the hell CARES what gender or color

They are....

If they represent TRUE progressive policies and ideals, I don't give a shit if they are green, purple, yellow, or striped.

The true racist bs is voting on gender or race rather then on experience and ability.

Sorry, but Obama is a DWARF next to Gore. He is inexperienced, he has not even been a Senator for four years. He walks a bs bipartisan line and he is to the right of Hillary on domestic issues.

Gore actually talks the talk and walks the walk. His speeches are visionary and indepth with specifics of actual solutions, not hollow rheoteric that sounds lovely but offers no substance.



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cali Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-08-08 12:14 PM
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12. puke. the gore is god bullshit makes me sick
he's a politician. And he was a centrist politician for most of his many years in office. I appreciate the work he's done since leaving office, but for fuck's sake, the guy is a venture capitalist who chose to make a shitload of money over the past 8 years. he's not a saint or a savior. And you are NOT the voice of true progressives that's for goddamn sure. REAL progressives don't support an undemocratic usurpation of the nomination by party insiders. Anyone who supports that shit has forever forfeited the right to call themselves a progressive. I will fight that shit all the way. Fortunately, party insiders are not that stupid. And they aren't the gore/savior cultists that so many DUers are.
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debbierlus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-08-08 04:08 PM
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25. Whoever called him a saint or savior...he is QUALIFIED

Real progressives put the future of their nation over the ego for a specific candidate.

Gore could lead and unite in a way neither Hillary OR Obama can....

Fascinating that progressive policies and the qualification and ability to actually implement them are secondary to your candidate.
Obama won't even TALK about true progressive policies, yet you think you are some progressive by being his devotee.

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cali Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-08-08 04:16 PM
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26. actually dear, you know shit.
and your're batshit crazy if you think Gore would unite the party by usurping the nomination. And sorry, unlike YOU, I'm not a devotee of anyone. Obama is a flawed candidate, as they all are. And your ignorance is just sad. Obama has talked about progressive policies and has even practiced them. Not as much as I wish but more than your knight in shining armor did when he had the chance.

And it's just a fantasy of the Gore cultists and slavish acolytes like you. Ain't gonna happen. Too bad.
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MonkeyFunk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-08-08 12:19 PM
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16. Al Gore has always been a very centrist
politician. You're deceiving yourself.
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Lorien Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-08-08 12:27 PM
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17. I would absolutely love to vote for the True President of the US again
I don't know if I can cast a vote for either of the DLC front runners now. Both are too far to the right on issues that matter to me most. I'm tired of simply voting for the least awful of two terrible choices.
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cali Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-08-08 12:34 PM
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19. funny. Gore was the very picture of a centrist politician
for all the years he was in office. He didn't have the guts to lead when he was in office. it's easy to do when you aren't in an elected position. I don't have any particular faith in Al Gore. He hasn't given me any reason to. And anyone who will sit it out with this much at stake, is simply a selfish, sanctimonious git.
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MonkeyFunk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-08-08 12:43 PM
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21. Al Gore
was in the DLC when he held office. I don't understand this revisionist history that he was always some crusading populist. He wasn't.
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Honeycombe8 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-08-08 12:45 PM
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23. Why? Gore is not leader of the Dem. Party, despite his popularity with some. nt
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RestoreGore Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-08-08 04:59 PM
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27. He would not usurp the will of the people
That is how Bush got power. Do you honestly believe him to be the same? That would not unite the Democratic party it would only tear it apart more. I love the man, but reality must take precedence now over these flights of fancy. If he truly believed he would have made a difference running he would have. He didn't.
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