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antigop Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-08-08 10:33 AM
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heh,heh -- is the Obama campaign listening to a DU'er? Accusing HRC of "George Bush secrecy"
http://rawstory.com/news/2008/Obama_campaign_manager_ac...
Obama campaign manager accuses Clinton of 'George Bush secrecy'

Attempting to pivot away from a damaging dust-up stemming from an adviser's attack on Hillary Clinton, Barack Obama's campaign on Friday returned to press the former First Lady to release her post-White House tax returns.

Campaign manager David Plouffe did not back off the Obama campaign's recent attacks on Clinton as too scandal-plagued and secrecy-prone to be president.

"What the American people don't need is more George Bush secrecy in the White House," Plouffe told reporters Friday.


Now read DU'er blm's recent post:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.ph...

Obama should FIGHT THIS CAMPAIGN OUT on the Open Government issue against Clintons AND Bushes.
http://consortiumnews.com/2006/111106.html



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Raven Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-08-08 10:36 AM
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1. Where are those tax returns by the way? When asked a week or so ago
Senator Clinton said that they would be forthcoming but that she needed time to get them together. What's taking so long?
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antigop Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-08-08 10:37 AM
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3. What is she hiding? n/t
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blm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-08-08 11:45 AM
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20. Focus grouping their spin to test their best answer options.
Just like Bush.
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tammywammy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-08-08 01:36 PM
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24. Her accountant is having trouble with the copier
We all know how long it can take to get files out of a cabinet, then walk over to the copier, then set them in there and press the button. Very difficult.
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blm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-08-08 03:22 PM
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28. Secrecy you can Xerox.
.
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against all enemies Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-09-08 11:20 AM
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37. I could print mine right now, doesn't Hillary have a printer or a copier?
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KittyWampus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-08-08 10:37 AM
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2. absolutely. Obama has policy pages on Open Government. It's the positive way to attack
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antigop Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-08-08 10:39 AM
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5. any links to the policy pages? thanks. n/t
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blm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-08-08 11:29 AM
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19. Exactly - it's a line of attack that MEANS SOMETHING for this nation and every CITIZEN
.
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mopinko Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-08-08 02:08 PM
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26. has open government ACHIEVEMENTS
obama's contribution to the "ethics reform" (ha ha) bill that passed in this congress was probably the only smart part. DoD budget now online. i believe the entire budget was also supposed to be put online. not sure if it is.
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psychopomp Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-08-08 06:32 PM
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34. I have been saying this,too
Sen. Obama needs to tell the public just how big a change his open government policy will have on the machinery of politics in the United States. It is a very positive aspect of his campaign and one of the main reasons that I support his candidacy.
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npincus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-08-08 10:38 AM
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4. they SHOULD read DU and tap some outrage here
Edited on Sat Mar-08-08 10:46 AM by npincus
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antigop Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-08-08 10:44 AM
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11. maybe they are.... hope so n/t
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Bluerthanblue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-08-08 10:40 AM
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6. I join the list- she is as obsessed with secrecy as he is-
AND this is reality-

What is your problem with that?


peace~
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antigop Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-08-08 10:41 AM
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9. um, I DO have a problem with closed government. Is that what you meant? n/t
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Bluerthanblue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-08-08 11:09 AM
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17. I apologize-
:blush: I took your OP to be condemning the DU post you link to- :shrug:-

There is so much sarcasm on the boards, I have a hard time telling.

Now I get you- sorry for my misinterpretation.

:hi:

peace~
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blm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-08-08 01:28 PM
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21. We've all been there.
When you go to the pro-open government threads you become more familiar with the advocates.
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antigop Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-08-08 03:56 PM
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29. hey, no problem! Just keep pushing for open government. n/t
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Shakespeare Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-08-08 10:41 AM
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7. um...that's a pretty obvious comparison to make; I doubt they needed to read DU to come up with it.
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antigop Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-08-08 10:43 AM
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10. look at the dates -- blm's post on Mar 5-- the Raw Story piece is dated Mar 7
Interesting timing, eh?
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blm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-08-08 10:56 AM
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14. In fairness to ALL who post about Open Government, we've been on this track for MANY YEARS
here at DU and some activists here at DU have been involved with opening the books on BushInc since the IranContra days when they were marching in the streets and I was busy gazing lovingly in my mirror putting makeup on my face. Sad but true. Till 87 when I finally started to realize how dangerous these illegal operations were for this nation. ;)
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antigop Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-08-08 10:58 AM
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15. yes, kudos to all who have been involved.. I just thought the timing was interesting. n.t
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blm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-08-08 11:28 AM
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18. Same here.....my compatriots here at DU stay with this issue because of its import. And YOU are
prominent on that list, antigop. You GET it.

Thankyou for this thread and all you do to oppose closed government.
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antigop Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-08-08 03:59 PM
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31. Well, I'm still playing catch up on some of this stuff. But thanks to DU, I'm learning! n/t
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kwenu Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-08-08 10:41 AM
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8. They should be looking at DU and other forums to see what the electorate thinks.
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eleny Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-08-08 10:50 AM
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12. Another do as I say not as I do individual
We've probably all worked with people like this. I have. Meh.
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blm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-08-08 10:52 AM
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13. No Democrat can lose when the battleground is Open Government accountable to the people.
Except, of course, those Democrats who SIDE with secrecy and privilege of Closed Government and the powerful elite who thrive behind it.
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antigop Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-08-08 11:05 AM
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16. Yep. n/t
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Vinca Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-08-08 01:30 PM
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22. If the shoe fits . . . nt
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Laelth Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-08-08 01:34 PM
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23. I suspect both campaigns keep an eye on DU.
I suspect Obama's campaign actually listens to what we have to say.

:dem:

-Laelth
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antigop Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-08-08 03:57 PM
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30. as I said, I thought the timing was interesting....n/t
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blm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-08-08 06:28 PM
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33. Kerry's campaign in 2004 did. And both campaigns are now. That is a certainty.
.
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McCamy Taylor Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-08-08 01:42 PM
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25. WTF? Obama is calling Hillary "George Bush"? So much for the high road.
This is just like 2000 all over again.
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blm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-08-08 02:08 PM
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27. Have Clintons protected secrecy and privilege of the Bushes and closed government over the years?
Edited on Sat Mar-08-08 02:10 PM by blm
Yes or no?

Do you believe the Clintons respect and side with Open Government? Yes or no?
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AtomicKitten Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-08-08 04:02 PM
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32. blm has always been right about this
As a former two-decade enforcer for the Clintons, I can attest to the fact that strident opposition to the truth is bad for the Democratic Party. Worse, it's bad for democracy. My hat is off to blm for her perseverance in promoting sunlight in government.
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antigop Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-08-08 10:58 PM
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35. hear, hear! I second that. n/t
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blm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-09-08 11:19 AM
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36. And we have the battle scars, too. When the evidence links, it becomes impossible to dismiss
without abdicating a part of your soul and all of your credibility as an American citizen.
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