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Neshanic Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-08-08 09:13 AM
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So now the Obamists spin is that because we have two people fighting
Edited on Sat Mar-08-08 09:21 AM by Neshanic
for the same spot, THIS will make a stronger McCain.

Well it ain't necessarily so. There were MANY voices here that said that,(set your wayback machine Sherman), a LONG time ago that these two were not our best candidates. Then we have the resultant Beatles coming to JFK response with Obama, and the set ups of every minute detail of what big bad Hillary is doing to Obama daily on the MSM.

I am supporting Hillary because of the two, she is the fighter. That's it. That's all. Not on gay issues, which she obviously panders to, but does not throw the homophobe preacher on the stage to get the full pander.

Now it has seemingly dawned on the Obamists that this is not going so well. They see a person standing in the way of "their" dreams, be it generational, emotional, obbsessive compulsive, or any other dream they can muster up, with the goading of a petulant whiny Ms. Obama, and her husbands sickening dismissal of everything done before him as not important. Now the Obamists see the McCain train bearing down on them. Hide Ms. Obama. That's it. No, that's not it. Good idea in a general way, but not it.

Obama has no experience, and Naomi Watts pool cleaner knows that. He would be a great vice- president. Hillary as President, nice but even us Hillary supporters may very possibly not get our wish as the Obamaists. It's not our Democratic process with all the icky fight hard to win stuff, we have two candidates that in this opening for change for all, do not fit the bill. One kinda fits, not for change but to beat republicns senseless, the other just is too compliant, and is lying to get votes of a crowd that wants change so badly, they will take him, and he will not deliver. That's if he wins, which is almost a given impossibility.

Go ahead and regurgitate all the things that make your argument that Obama will defeat McCain. Same with Hillary. But do not blame us Hillary supporters, and for you Obamists, don't blame yourself. We have again installed two mules in a race at Santa Anita.

This is what we have endedup with. How this happened, maybe Gary Hart can muse on, sitting on a dock with his early bimbo eruption. It's not us wanting our candidates to win that is losing it for us, it's that we have two candidates that given this Grand Canyon opening to take the reigns of this country, that are just not the ones that should be running, is sad and pathetic.

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against all enemies Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-08-08 09:14 AM
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1. 'Boo Hoo Hoo" I love the way she "fought" in New Hampshire.
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zabet Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-08-08 09:36 AM
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3. I love the way
Michelle Obamarosa 'is not
proud of America'. Love the
way she wants to 'claw Bill's
eyes out'.
Is this really a woman with the
dignity to be First Lady? Not
yet, she needs some political
etiquette classes.
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NYCGirl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-08-08 09:43 AM
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4. Well, at least she didn't say "I'm not sitting here as some little woman
'standing by my man' like Tammy Wynette.

or

"I've done the best I can to lead my life ... You know, I suppose I could have stayed home and baked cookies and had teas, but what I decided to do was fulfill my profession, which I entered before my husband was in public life."

Clintonites have some pretty selective memories.
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Bluerthanblue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-08-08 09:49 AM
Response to Reply #4
6. Word up- my memory is too good for my own good.
if you weren't obsessed by income and consumerism, the 90's weren't as golden for some, as the spin would have everyone believe.


peace~
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zabet Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-08-08 10:00 AM
Response to Reply #4
14. That is the standard argument....
But...but..Hillary!!!!

Hillary is the new Clenis.

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NYCGirl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-08-08 10:03 AM
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16. That's because there's so much double standard by the Clintonites. NT
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zabet Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-08-08 11:01 AM
Response to Reply #16
29. Just admit it.........
Hillary is the new Clenis.
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JimGinPA Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-08-08 09:49 AM
Response to Reply #3
5. Your Post Is Just So Obnoxious
Michelle Obamarosa? And you have the audacity to mention dignity when you want Bubba as fisrt whatever?
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zabet Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-08-08 10:02 AM
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15. Pot meet kettle
with the vile shit I have seen
on this board about the Clintons,
and my post is Obnoxious?
Maybe I should have just called
her a 'monster'.
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JimGinPA Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-08-08 10:15 AM
Response to Reply #15
22. And Yet You're One Of The Worst Offenders
Pot meet kettle - ironic huh?
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zabet Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-08-08 10:56 AM
Response to Reply #22
25. Me? The worst offender?
I think not, as a matter
of fact, I know not.

:rofl:

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against all enemies Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-08-08 09:52 AM
Response to Reply #3
7. So you've been proud of America lately? Does the torture do it for
you, or the unprovoked war?
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zabet Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-08-08 10:12 AM
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20. There are plenty of things to be proud of America
about. If you cannot seem to see any
of them.....relocate because you must
be miserable living here. No country
is 100% good, we have a lot to be proud
of being American citizens. Don't tell
me there is absolutely nothing about
America you are proud of. Step away from
the BFEE shit and its repurcussions and
look, you might see something.
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against all enemies Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-08-08 11:30 AM
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38. Were you part of the Nixon silent majority? Same "America love it or leave it" bullshit.
I had to put up with that shit from Republicans in the 60's and now I have to hear it from you? I guess I'm not to proud of being a Democrat right now either, are you going to tell me to leave that too.
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zabet Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-08-08 11:56 AM
Response to Reply #38
39. Where did I say that shit?
"love it or leave it".
I did not, I just said if
you looked, even thought there
are things that we as a nation
should be ashamed of, there is
still plenty we can be proud of.
Just where did anyone tell you
to leave it, I just said open
your eyes. In America, we have
the freedom to worship how we please,
not what the ruling religious faction
tells us to worship. That is just
one reason, it is a biggie though,
it is the one our country was founded
on.
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against all enemies Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-08-08 12:03 PM
Response to Reply #39
41. You invided me to "relocate" if I wasn't proud of America - nice try.
"here are plenty of things to be proud of America

about. If you cannot seem to see any
of them.....relocate because you must
be miserable living here. "

Sure sounds like "love it or leave it to me"
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zabet Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-08-08 12:17 PM
Response to Reply #41
43. uhhhh..that was making pointed
reference of extreme thinking
like your position of 'not a
damn thing to be proud of'.
Reading comprehension is different
from the literal word for word meanings,
the words as a group, with both responses
and you see, I was just mocking your
extreme position. :eyes:
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against all enemies Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-08-08 12:33 PM
Response to Reply #43
44. So YOU get to define my position. Is English your second language?
"Reading comprehension is different
from the literal word for word meanings,
the words as a group, with both responses
and you see, I was just mocking your
extreme position. :eyes:"

Care to break down that sentence Einstein?
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zabet Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-08-08 12:36 PM
Response to Reply #44
45. fast typing, left a word out...
sue me einstein.

:rofl:
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against all enemies Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-08-08 01:44 PM
Response to Reply #45
47. next time you mock me with your superior vocabulary, don't screw up the words.
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zabet Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-08-08 05:12 PM
Response to Reply #47
48. waaaaaaaaaaaaaahhh
Some people take this
place waaaaay to seriously.

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Bluerthanblue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-08-08 09:54 AM
Response to Reply #3
11. I'll take an honest person over a cardboard cut-out
or a conniving co-partner anyday.

Hillary needs some human decency classes.

peace~
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babylonsister Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-08-08 09:55 AM
Response to Reply #3
12. Obamarosa? Someone else needs some etiquette, and it's not Michelle. nt
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zabet Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-08-08 10:58 AM
Response to Reply #12
27. You used to be one of the most impartial posters here,
and a poster that if I saw your name I knew
it was a post worthy of reading. Alas, you
too have fallen into the snark and hate game.
Sad, no one expects better out of me so it
does not really bother me but, a lot of DUers
expected better out of you and have been
disappointed.
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babylonsister Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-08-08 11:09 AM
Response to Reply #27
34. Now you're trying to shame me for the snark you use? Sorry,
it doesn't work that way. You used the derogatory name, not I, and you should be ashamed.

And you know what else? My opinion is mine and as valid as anyone else's. If you don't agree with me and judge me poorly for it, that is not my problem. I hold my head high because I'm being honest and not pandering to you or anyone else.
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zabet Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-08-08 11:17 AM
Response to Reply #34
36. Not trying to shame you...
did you read the part where I said
people do not expect any better out
of me? That is shaming myself. I
did not say that I disagreed with your
posts, I was implying that since you
are no longer the unbiased real-info
poster that you were for so long, it
is a dissappointment to me and others
who used to look for your posts daily.
I still do but, if they are GDP posts,
I don't read them. If you cannot take
a little constructive criticism, I hate
it for you. You can either get over it
or grow old with it. I do not care.
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uponit7771 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-08-08 10:04 AM
Response to Reply #3
17. That's easy she can learn on the job.
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mrreowwr_kittty Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-08-08 10:14 AM
Response to Reply #3
21. Ah, another "Feminist For Hillary But I Like To Trash Other Women!"
You ladies crack me up. :rofl:
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zabet Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-08-08 11:00 AM
Response to Reply #21
28. My reasons for supporting
Hillary have absolutely nothing
to do with her gender.

You sexists crack me up. :rofl:
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mrreowwr_kittty Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-08-08 11:07 AM
Response to Reply #28
31. Are you saying you're not a feminist? nt
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zabet Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-08-08 11:08 AM
Response to Reply #31
33. Why do you care?
That is not my reason for
supporting Hillary, that is
all the information about
me that is pertinent to this
discussion that you need to
know.
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mrreowwr_kittty Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-08-08 11:15 AM
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35. I don't understand why it's so hard to answer whether or not you are a feminist.
And it has nothing to do with why you support Hillary Clinton. I guess it must be difficult for you, because if you publicly affirmed being a feminist, then you wouldn't be able to make catty comments about other women like you did about Michelle Obama.

I'll at least give you credit for not being a hypocrite, unlike your many sisters here on DU who have no qualms about trashing other women while being stalwart defenders of Hillary's honor.
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zabet Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-08-08 11:20 AM
Response to Reply #35
37. It is not hard, it is just not relevant to this discussion.
I just call it like I see it. Has nothing
to do with gender. Michelle has largely been
kept away from a mic since the 'not proud'
statement, I assure you that is because the
Obama campaign knows how damaging remarks taken
out of context can be and that she is somewhat
of a loose cannon.
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thunder rising Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-08-08 09:36 AM
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2. Blame Hillary supporters? They are too damn dumb. I'll take it to the scorched earth campaign
politics of the Clintons. It is their very nature, they cannot and will not be any different than the last time they were in the office.

And don't worry about the superdelegates, they will vote for the coat-tails of Barack Obama. Not withstanding, the Clintons have never had and never will have coat tails, it is obvious that those who have not already praised the queen, are too late to gain favor and will be the first sacrificed and cut loose.
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cali Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-08-08 09:53 AM
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8. Hillbots dissing Hart for Donna Rice? HILLarious
It's hardly a secret that long acrimonious primary battles followed by a convention battle, produce weakened nominees. Babble on hillbot, babble on.
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Faygo Kid Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-08-08 09:55 AM
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13. That is pretty funny, now that you mention it.
Hadn't thought of it. Hillbots criticizing a pol for a bimbo eruptions.

Gary Hart is a piker compared to Hill's husband.
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Neshanic Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-08-08 10:06 AM
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18. It is an act of monumental stupidity to challenge the press to catch him.
Bill did not do that.

There is the difference.
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mrreowwr_kittty Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-08-08 11:08 AM
Response to Reply #18
32. Yeah, Bill was soooo much smarter about his dalliance!
:crazy:
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mmonk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-08-08 09:53 AM
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9. Ridiculous spin.
Hillary is taking us towards a 1980 type of convention.
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Faygo Kid Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-08-08 09:54 AM
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10. "Obama has no experience. . .He would be a great vice president". Deep.
Knee deep.

I have seen some posts that are nothing but steaming piles this morning, but yours is the largest.

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lewis_in_fw Donating Member (75 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-08-08 10:18 AM
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23. Rephrase for Op..."Obama has little experience.... He would be a great vice president." *NT*
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Booster Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-08-08 10:08 AM
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19. "We have again installed two mules in a race at Santa Anita."
Best line I've heard in a long time. And so true.
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gristy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-08-08 10:49 AM
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24. Obamists? Would that be a pejorative?
Here - I'll help you out, Dick: http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/pejorative So how long have you been a Democrat? And how long have you been an asshole?
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Laelth Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-08-08 10:58 AM
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26. It would be different if Hillary had a realistic chance of winning.
She doesn't. At this point a protracted fight does nothing but help the Republicans.

And it doesn't matter whether not it's true that McCain has more experience than Obama. Of course that's true. What's unacceptable is that Hillary chose to focus on this issue and chose to praise the Republican over her Democratic colleague.

That's just not OK.

-Laelth
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Neshanic Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-08-08 11:01 AM
Response to Reply #26
30. The fact that Obama is Obama, and Hillary is Hillary helps the republicans.
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Gore1FL Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-08-08 12:00 PM
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40. "Now it has seemingly dawned on the Obamists that this is not going so well. "
I hate to point out facts, but the nomination is pretty Obama's at this time. I keeop asking for, and never recieving a relistic scenario in which she can pull out the nomination.

If you woud like to try, start here:

http://www.slate.com/features/delegatecounter /

And then describe how she'll convince th Super delegates to overturn the pledged delegates.


Remember, realistic is the key.
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LWolf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-08-08 12:04 PM
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42. I still say they are not our best. Either of them.
I still say they are the worst two we were offered this primary season.

I still don't support either one of them. The current civil war has generally passed me by; not being for one side or the other. The only effect is to reinforce my rejection of them both.
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AX10 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-08-08 12:41 PM
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46. This statement sums up why I cannot support Obama at all.
"Now it has seemingly dawned on the Obamists that this is not going so well. They see a person standing in the way of "their" dreams, be it generational, emotional, obsessive compulsive, or any other dream they can muster up, with the goading of a petulant whiny Ms. Obama, and her husbands sickening dismissal of everything done before him as not important. Now the Obamists see the McCain train bearing down on them. Hide Ms. Obama. That's it. No, that's not it. Good idea in a general way, but not it."
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depakid Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-08-08 05:33 PM
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49. The Obama campaign has yet to show me that they're capable and willing to do what it takes to win
Edited on Sat Mar-08-08 05:33 PM by depakid
once the Republicans turn up the heat -and that's the bottom line.



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