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rucky Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-08-08 07:56 AM
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I'd like to thank Canada for screwing up our Democratic primary.
A leak, a retraction. Another leak, and now another retraction.

We've pretty much lost credibility on NAFTA as a party, and this was one of our strongest issues going into the General Election. I suppose Canada is benefiting from the treaty (and our low dollar) more than we are, but I don't know what kind of trading partners they'll have in their neighbors to the south under a McCain presidency.
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peace13 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-08-08 07:58 AM
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1. Oh yes it is the gift that keeps on giving.
It looks like we can't believe a thing they say and should disregard all of it.
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rucky Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-08-08 07:58 AM
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2. or vice-versa.
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marmar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-08-08 07:59 AM
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3. With Stephen Harper involved, you've got to believe it wasn't an accident.....
He's a creep and a prick of the highest order.

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joeybee12 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-08-08 08:00 AM
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4. BS! Obama blew it...if he had come clean and admitted Goolsbee had
met, it would never have been an issue...then the memo came out, and he admitted they'd met, but the gist of the conversationw as wrong. Obama lied...he's the one to blame...can't you BOTS every take any repsonsibility????
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rucky Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-08-08 08:03 AM
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6. I'll ignore the name-calling and ask you this...
what does that have to do with the Hillary leak and retraction?

ALL of this "breaking news" is originating from the PM's office. Obama's fuck-up just made it worse.
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joeybee12 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-08-08 08:07 AM
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11. Well, the Hilary part came AFTER the primaries, so hwo did that affect
it? The original reports were on the CTV...not the prime minister's office...and the fact remains that if BO...when first asked about it...had come out and said they got it wrong, it was a simple meeting, it would have died a quick death..he denied it, then when confronted with the truth, he had to backtrack...that became the issue...and still is...he blew it, and you people jsut can't seem to realize he made a mistake and blame everyone else...the canadian press, now the canadian government. It's like that with Samantha Power...she blew it...but of course Hilary's to blame because she's so awful Samatha had no choice or it's the reporter's fault...even though Samantah knew it was an on-the-record interview.
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rucky Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-08-08 08:18 AM
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17. "you people"
way to elevate the discussion. I don't even care if you disagree, but the dismissive attitude because I have an Obama avatar...
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joeybee12 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-08-08 08:22 AM
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21. Hey, read into it what you want if it helps you avoid discussing this...
..."you people"..honestly, a shortcut offends you? I see a pattern here...you are simply castigating me for language you find offensive to avoid the basic truth...Obama lied, got caught, and now you're trying every which way to blame anyone else to avoid admitting he blew it...
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rucky Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-08-08 10:34 AM
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29. We're not having a discussion
let me know when you're ready for one, though.
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mmonk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-08-08 08:10 AM
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13. He blew it only in perception.
Hillary has not been forthcoming. She has voters believing she's running on changing NAFTA significantly through the projection on Obama she herself engaged in.
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joeybee12 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-08-08 08:11 AM
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15. What????????
He lied...how is that perception? he denied they met, then had to say they did meet? Incredible!!!!!
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hedgehog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-08-08 08:31 AM
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26. I don't think that that's what happened. Here's what I think happened:
Announcement: "major Obama official holds meeting with Canadian officials"

Obama: Alright, who had a meeting with Canada?

Everyone: Canada? I haven't met with Canada to go over policy.....

Obama: We haven't been meeting with Canada

Canada: Well, someone met with our counsel in Chicago...

Goolsbee: That's what they were talking about? I'm a major official? Oh shit! Uh, Senator Obama....

Obama: Oh shit! Well, let's take our medicine and get this out there.


What no one has noticed in all this is that when the actual memo was released, it confirmed everything that Obama's been saying on the stump. The labor and environmental provisions in NAFTA need to be renegotiated. AS I've said before, until someone locates a maquiladora in Ontario, I don't think Canada has anything to be concerned about.
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OHdem10 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-08-08 08:01 AM
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5. Canada has a working group who are moving to "fix" Nafta.
A Parlieament Member from Canada was on Lou Dobbs explaining that
Nafta is causing Canada to lose their middle class. According to
this MP, Nafta has created the same problems there as here.
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Deja Q Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-08-08 08:05 AM
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10. Lou Dobbs, that evil scallywag?
:sarcasm:

(Dobbs is great, period. Or at least making money off us too, but it's all good.)
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Bassic Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-08-08 10:45 AM
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33. It has indeed.
Just like in the U.S., its good for the very rich, but not so great for the common folk.
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11 Bravo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-08-08 08:03 AM
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7. Blame Canada! South Park had it right!
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rucky Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-08-08 08:04 AM
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8. I think Terrence and Philip may be behind all of this.
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InAbLuEsTaTe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-08-08 08:11 AM
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14. That Hillary episode nailed it too. What's she trying to hide? And where?
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MikeE Donating Member (637 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-08-08 08:20 AM
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19. My God, I was thinking the same thing
:rofl: Do I feel another movie coming or what?!
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kentuck Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-08-08 08:05 AM
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9. NAFTA should be re-done.
Take that Canada! That's your penalty for sticking your nose where it doesn't belong.
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Red Zelda Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-08-08 08:09 AM
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12. Agreed
We could take that nation of beer-bellied, half-French lovers of 12-man football in like 5 minutes and make it Further North Dakota. Say goodbye to your healthcare, Gord! Fucking Canuck Brit-lickers.

Geez that felt good.
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boston bean Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-08-08 08:12 AM
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16. Obama lied about a mtg. and by doing so, casts doubt on his veracity. It's as simple as that. nt
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joeybee12 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-08-08 08:18 AM
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18. That's what I've been saying since day 1, but these BOTS want
to blame everyone else.
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jlpohio69 Donating Member (141 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-08-08 08:23 AM
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23. They can't admit that BO just might not be the man they think he is...
so they turn the other cheek and try to pretend nothing ever happened.
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rucky Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-08-08 08:22 AM
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22. Both Dems were attacked.
Sorry if that complicates the narrative, but I wish y'all wouldn't be so dismissive of anything coming from an Obama avatar.
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joeybee12 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-08-08 08:26 AM
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24. Again, wrong...you're using this to muddy the waters, as was that
second leak...BO lied...deal with it.
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boston bean Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-08-08 08:47 AM
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27. well one was attacked by Keith Olbermann, spreading a lie while he makes excuses for the other one.
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BeyondGeography Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-08-08 08:20 AM
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20. Meantime, our MSM doesn't lift a finger to find out what happened
Then again, a foreign government inserts itself into our political nominating process...not much of a story, eh?

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Darth_Kitten Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-08-08 08:28 AM
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25. Yes. thank the canadian people who when polled..........
Edited on Sat Mar-08-08 08:29 AM by Darth_Kitten
show that they would gladly appreciate Clinton OR Obama as president.

And this is even the case for conservative Canadians.

Don't blame all Canadians for the actions of a few people.
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rucky Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-08-08 10:39 AM
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31. Should've clarified: the PM's office.
And most Canadians aren't too happy with him.
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Liberalboy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-08-08 09:09 AM
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28. We have a minority government with the Conservative Party...
Prime Minister Harper just nailed the last nail in his own coffin up here; hopefully we have an election soon.
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npincus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-08-08 10:35 AM
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30. Obama's First ACT as President: INVADE CANADA!
:rofl:
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1awake Donating Member (852 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-08-08 10:44 AM
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32. we kinda tried that acouple hundred years ago...
Canada kicked us out with a big "thank you.. but we don't want your help!" :+
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Bucky Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-08-08 10:46 AM
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34. Fifty-four Forty or Fight, Goddammit!!
If I wasn't afraid that Bill Shatner would take their side, I'd demand we go to war with Canada RIGHT FUCKING NOW!!1!ONE!!
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