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NashVegas Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-08-08 06:28 AM
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All Things Being Equal, I'm Going With the Chick
That's basically what it comes down to. There's very little difference between the candidacies of Barack Obama and Hillary Clinton. She has more experience of playing "the game," that's for certain. None of her top advisers are foolish enough to call her opposition a "monster," or say the truly amateur things that Powers went to the press with. Gotta give her that.


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Uben Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-08-08 06:32 AM
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1. Me, too!
Experience over the "just words guy"
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JimGinPA Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-08-08 06:34 AM
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3. What Experience?
Still haven't had that defined.
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Uben Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-08-08 06:44 AM
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16. Then you never will
No one has an obligation to explain what you cannot or will not comprehend.
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JimGinPA Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-08-08 06:55 AM
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37. I Certainly Understand What's Been Proffered - I Just Dispute It's Substance
Nice deflection though.
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LaurenG Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-08-08 06:32 AM
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2. No but her top advisers are foolish enough to call Senator Obama "Kenneth Starr"
who is a monster. And she herself suggested that a republican? would make a better president. Hello?
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NashVegas Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-08-08 06:36 AM
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5. He Said "Imitating Ken Starr"
You choose not to see the difference.
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Gore1FL Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-08-08 06:44 AM
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17. the nuance is so subtle
Edited on Sat Mar-08-08 06:45 AM by Gore1FL
there isn't a difference.


On edit: I take that back. there is a difference. Instead of resigning Hillary bought into the stupidity and agreed with it.
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LaurenG Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-08-08 06:46 AM
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22. Are you choosing not to see some pretty obvious things as well?
neither of the candidates are my ideal. Both of them need to bring it up a notch and yes you are correct "imitating Kenneth" IS a tiny bit different but not enough to make a difference.

Will you address the issue of suggesting McCain could do a better job? Would you not be incensed if Senator Obama had suggested McCain could do a better job than Senator Clinton?

I would have been.
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NashVegas Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-08-08 06:55 AM
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38. She Didn't Endorse McCain
By pointing out his experience in nat'l politics and Obama's lack of it highlighted that she felt she was the better match to go against him.
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LaurenG Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-08-08 07:02 AM
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47. Did I use the word endorse here?
She suggested that a republican would make a better president. If Obama had said that about her I would have been furious, but I guess that's just me. :eyes:
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NashVegas Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-08-08 07:12 AM
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52. No But Every Other Obama Supporter on the Board Does
So why should I assume you weren't going there?
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LaurenG Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-08-08 07:18 AM
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55. Well now you know me, I'm not a basher
I do have a preference in candidates but will back the democrat who wins. :hi:
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NashVegas Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-08-08 07:26 AM
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57. I'm Sure Most Will Do the Same
In the end.
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earthlover Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-08-08 07:25 AM
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56. Oh please. Be honest. She said McCain had a lifetime of experience, passed the threshold of
commander in chief, while Obama just had one speech. No matter what word you use to describe this, she is dissing the potential Democratic nominee while saying the Republican nominee is better. I dont think this shows any party loyalty, and even worse, this will make it more likely for us to have to use the phrase "President McCain" in the future. Add this to the dishonesty on the NAFTA issue, her refusal to disclose her tax returns that were filed 11 months ago and much more, we have a pattern.
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NashVegas Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-08-08 07:27 AM
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58. She Is Dissing Her Opponent!
Which is what most candidates do, and what most people expect their candidate to do.

If a candidate cannot take a bloody nose and emerge the victor, they can't win.
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earthlover Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-08-08 08:21 AM
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63. Saying the Republican nominee is better than a Democratic nominee is NOT common!
Can you name even ONE time during the entire United States History when that has happened? Give me a quote of a Democratic presidential candidate saying another Democratic presidential candidate is worse than the Republican nominee.

Hillary can criticise Obama. But she should also be criticising McCain more!

What Hillary is doing is making it more likely for McCain to emerge the winner. Her words could be used against our nominee in the Fall, whether it was Obama, Hillary or a joint ticket.

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SoxFan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-08-08 07:32 AM
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59. I'll take the "unseasoned" team
They didn't do John McCain's work for him with asinine remarks about "giving a speech".

They didn't lie about negotiating a peace agreememnt in Ireland when all they did was attend a tea party at belfast City Hall.

They didn't lie about opening the borders to Bosnian refugees.

They didn't send out scurrilous RW emails.

They didn't insinuate that opposing candidates sold illegal drugs.

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dailykoff Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-08-08 06:35 AM
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4. The problem is things are NOT equal:
Edited on Sat Mar-08-08 06:36 AM by dailykoff
Hillary: voted for the Iraq war (IWR), Obama protested against it.

Hillary: voted against the cluster bomb ban (Feinstein amendment), Obama voted for it.

Hillary: voted for the Iran war (K-Lieberman), Obama did not.

THE TRIFECTA!!
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rug Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-08-08 06:36 AM
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6. I must have missed the Iran War. Is that the one after Obama goes into Pakistan?
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dailykoff Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-08-08 06:38 AM
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9. It's the one that starts on day one.
Edited on Sat Mar-08-08 06:39 AM by dailykoff
Hello..
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rug Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-08-08 06:41 AM
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14. Of course. She's invading Iran January 20 while gnawing on a fetus.
How foolish of me to overlook that.
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dailykoff Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-08-08 06:47 AM
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25. What the heck do you think that day one line means?
She's got one hard-core constituency and you better believe they get it.
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rug Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-08-08 06:48 AM
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27. That she will not make the stupid mistakes we've seen him make all week.
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dailykoff Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-08-08 06:50 AM
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30. Like voting for the IWR and Kyl-Lieberman?
Oh wait, the IWR wasn't a mistake, because Condoleeza phoned her up and told her Dick was on the level. :crazy:
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rug Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-08-08 06:52 AM
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33. Was that this week? Oh, no, it was before she and Obama voted to fund the war.
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dailykoff Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-08-08 06:53 AM
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35. She's been screwing up for 35 years.
Of course, if you think genocide is a good idea, you might see things differently.
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rug Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-08-08 06:56 AM
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40. So, now you claim she's running on a platform of genocide?
I'm tired. Do me a favor and go alert yourself.
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dailykoff Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-08-08 06:59 AM
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44. Ok let's call it spreading democracy.
And now we return to our regularly scheduled propaganda.
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rug Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-08-08 07:00 AM
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46. Let's call it spreading manure.
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cboy4 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-08-08 07:07 AM
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49. "Do me a favor and go alert yourself."
:spray:
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LaurenG Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-08-08 06:52 AM
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32. Um
:spray: :rofl:
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11 Bravo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-08-08 08:34 AM
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64. Nostradumbass has seen the future. How dare you question the sage!
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CatnHat Donating Member (669 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-08-08 06:37 AM
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7. Thanks for posting
Edited on Sat Mar-08-08 06:37 AM by CatnHat
this. I was losing "hope" that rational people didn't post anymore on the DU. Anyway, I am a Clinton supporter, and I agree. Hillary is smart enough not be sucked in with out of control advisers who can't keep their mouth shut. Glad you posted an equal share of contributors. Truth trumps hope any day.
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eShirl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-08-08 06:37 AM
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8. "all things being equal" then as you say, this chick is going with the brother
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NashVegas Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-08-08 06:41 AM
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13. That's the Beauty of Democracy
..
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NDambi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-08-08 06:39 AM
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10. I'm going to go with the "dude" no thanks to the chick you can keep her
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npincus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-08-08 06:46 AM
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21. there is no (male) equivalent to "chick", is there?
Edited on Sat Mar-08-08 06:58 AM by npincus
None comes to mind, in terms of condescension.
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NDambi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-08-08 06:47 AM
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26. You're right...but had an Obama supporter said that..all hell would break loose..
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npincus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-08-08 06:56 AM
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39. WAAAAAAH... they're being MEAN to me again!




WAAAAAAAH... they like HIM better than they like ME!





WAAAAAAAH.... if I can't be president, NOBODY can! (except John McCain... he's GREAT!)


:rofl:
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NDambi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-08-08 06:57 AM
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41. ha ha priceless
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npincus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-08-08 06:59 AM
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45. WAAAAAAH... they keep asking ME the first question
...and it's HARD!


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npincus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-08-08 06:40 AM
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11. From an Obama supporter: calling HRC a "chick" is disrespectful
Edited on Sat Mar-08-08 06:41 AM by npincus
and sexist.

Lack of medda savvy on the part of Obama's advisor, a highly respected academic and intellectual, is a ridiculous reason to spurn the candidate. By that measure, you will always find yourself in same corner with people like Rove (or Mark Penn); gamers, manipulators and smear merchants.

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NashVegas Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-08-08 06:42 AM
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15. I've Seen Far Worse
Edited on Sat Mar-08-08 06:45 AM by Crisco
Bitch, harpy. Monster. Shrew.

And the media savvy part? Not knowing how to handle oneself in situations where protocol is required is going to get you chewed for lunch.
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Gore1FL Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-08-08 06:46 AM
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23. yep
she got her ass handed to her over the ken starr remark.
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Arkansas Granny Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-08-08 06:40 AM
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12. I'm with you. Her experience at facing the RW slime machine is going
to be an advantage for her, also. She's a fighter and not a quitter. However, should Obama be the Democratic nominee, I will vote for him with no problem.
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dailykoff Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-08-08 06:45 AM
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18. Facing it? She's running it!
And when was the last time she fought for anything but her own promotion, just like every other corporate rat fink? :shrug:
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CatnHat Donating Member (669 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-08-08 06:45 AM
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20. How about all
that money Obama and Clinton racked up!! Bet some Obama supporters didn't think he had it in him accept very large contributions--and here I thought all along, most of his money was small donations. So, again,what's the difference between Obama and other politicians? Really.
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dailykoff Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-08-08 06:49 AM
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28. Speaking of money, how come Hillary won't release her tax returns?
That would be revealing.
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CatnHat Donating Member (669 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-08-08 06:52 AM
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34. Oh boy, here we go again--

:boring: :boring: :boring:

It's kinda like Bush supporters linking Iraq with 9/11. One thing about the Obama camp. They love repetition.
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dailykoff Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-08-08 06:54 AM
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36. Um, you raised the issue.
Now run along. :hi:
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CatnHat Donating Member (669 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-08-08 06:58 AM
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42. Obama's
major contributors have nothing to do with Hillary tax returns. Oh brother, another Obama supporter in denial.
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dailykoff Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-08-08 07:04 AM
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48. Edwards said he and Obama don't take money from lobbyists, Hillary does.
But I imagine you missed that debate. :hi:
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cboy4 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-08-08 07:11 AM
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51. And how come Obama won't apologize for embracing
a notorious homophobe?

That would be revealing.
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npincus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-08-08 07:16 AM
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54. apples for apples w/the tons of $ the Clintons have gotten for Bill's Library from dubious sources?
Edited on Sat Mar-08-08 07:16 AM by npincus
Not to mention knowing WHO their income is coming from so the public can decide whether or not they think that special interests may influence their decision-making? The Clintons have a long list of sleazebags they've associated with, with no apologies given so I don't think it benefits HRC to go there.

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Perry Logan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-08-08 06:45 AM
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19. It's The Chick vs. The Prick.
Edited on Sat Mar-08-08 06:46 AM by Perry Logan
Just kidding.
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CatnHat Donating Member (669 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-08-08 06:46 AM
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24. LOL
:popcorn:
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npincus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-08-08 06:50 AM
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29. No: The Chick vs. Colonel Sanders.... cause Hillary's gettin' fried!
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frogcycle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-08-08 06:51 AM
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31. maybe "cock" would be more in keeping with the bird analogy
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NashVegas Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-08-08 06:58 AM
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43. That's Not Nice
Although if I were going to give his campaign an entity ...
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npincus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-08-08 07:07 AM
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50. wink, wink



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barack the house Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-08-08 07:12 AM
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53. MORE Barack scandal here...
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dailykoff Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-08-08 07:36 AM
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60. Obama got 450+ k from universities, including Harvard and UC,
and HIllary got about a third of that, according to your list. No, all things are NOT equal.
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GalleryGod Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-08-08 07:38 AM
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61. Crisco! Read about "The Big Girl", here!
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NashVegas Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-08-08 07:44 AM
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62. Regnery Publishing
By any chance?
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