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cali Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-08-08 05:16 AM
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Six months of internecine warfare = President McCain
The enthusiasm that dems felt just a few short weeks ago is already fading. No, you don't see it in decreased primary voting but the tone has changed out there in the real world. Blame it on Hillary, blame it on Barack; it doesn't really matter in the long run who's at fault. The numbers of supporters of either candidate who say they won't vote should their choice not be the nominee has risen. And it's not going to get better anytime soon.

The democratic house is burning and there's really no way to put out the conflagration that I can see. Repukes are gleeful about this turn of events. It doesn't just impact the top of the ticket, it could be very harmful to down ticket races.

Imagine how horrid the next six weeks until PA are going to be. It's possible that something will happen to shift this unfortunate trajectory, but it's hard to see what that could be.

A lot of folks seem to think that this protracted race is good for the party and somehow democratic because the votes of more people in more states, purportedly mean that real democracy is being exercised. Not so. Neither candidate can reach 2025 without something major happening, like the implosion of one campaign or the other. The contests that remain are just fuel for the fire.

While Obama and Clinton focus on taking the other out, McCain will be focusing on them and on being presidential. He'll be the "grownup" in the room- to the detriment of our two candidates. He already has the highest favorablility ratings out of the three.

Six more months of this crap will leave us with a party in disarray and slim chances. It's absurd to see this circus as a good thing.
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dkf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-08-08 05:37 AM
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1. Newsweek poll verifies this
"The division between Democrats could benefit Republican nominee-in-waiting John McCain: Many of those polled said they would vote for McCain if their preferred Democratic candidate was not nominated."

http://ap.google.com/article/ALeqM5ijClHoidEl8XEJMJoUoo...

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cali Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-08-08 05:40 AM
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2. yep. it couldn't be clearer that
that the road we're on is a flat out disaster for dems in November. And the idiotic meme that this process is good for dems couldn't be more wrong.
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spoony Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-08-08 06:30 AM
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10. I don't see any way out of that, for those shallow enough to
give McCain the WH because "their preferred Democratic candidate was not nominated." It doesn't matter if it ends today or at the convention: if any Dem voter is so damn short-sighted that they don't see either candidate as better than McCain, they'd have the same attitude then as now. Those don't sound like very informed voters, frankly.
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Herman Munster Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-08-08 05:44 AM
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3. that's why Hillary will win
It will become obvious if she's not the nominee, 25-35% of white democrats will vote McCain and the democrats will lose. There will be a "deal."

Hillary will get the nomination and Obama is going to have to wait his turn and be her VP.

He's had an incredible ride. He can wait 8 years.
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Gore1FL Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-08-08 05:56 AM
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4. I am not sure the racist aren't goin in majority for the conservatives in the first place
But, for every racist we lose, we pick up someone who wouldn't have voted otherwise irrespective of race.

I would imagine many of them that are afraid to vote for an African American would have the same fears of a woman.

But it doesn't matter. Hillary doesn't have the delegate lead, and there are not enough delegates left for her to close the gap without ridiculously outperforming ever previous contest besides AR, or by hijacking super delegates to overturn all the contests in thes nomination season. Neither of these things are remotely likely.
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cali Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-08-08 06:00 AM
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5. that was a completely nonsensical post, hermie
the problem isn't who is the dem nominee, the problem is the process producing a fatally wounded nominee. And anyone with eyes in their head and a lick of sense can see what's happening. If this keeps up and Hillary gets the nomination she'll lose. Same goes for Obama. The writing on the wall is big and in neon. Wake the fuck up.
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opihimoimoi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-08-08 06:13 AM
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6. Victory lies in UNITY....Cali, you are right...the longer this fight continues
the more diff the reconciliation...

There will be a time when any such notion is TOO LATE and no matter what...McShame will Oval Office Claim

There are Pubs in here making troubles too...pretending to be helping either candidate....their agenda is to help McCain by sabataging us Dems through infiltration / mischief...they stir Hate / Distrust....Pub Traits.....

Seems like their plans are working....The GOP appears to have penetrated both camps and now the soup is poisoned...Rove 3

Dems 0
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Raven Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-08-08 07:55 AM
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13. God! You are so right and it's so clear and the stakes are so high!
I keep saying this: SUPREME COURT OF THE UNITED STATES

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pampango Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-08-08 06:22 AM
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7. McCain's smile widens every day that we go through another round of 3 AM phone calls,
"monster" calling, McCain is ready to be C-in-C but the other Democrat is not. It's the kind of publicity he couldn't buy, if he had the money, because he would be accused of partisan attacks. He'll now be able to use these same attacks later in the GE and it will be more difficult for us to believably accuse him of "dirty" and partisan campaign tactics when they are ideas that we put out there.

Plus our respective candidates' supporters will become more and more alienated by the other candidate as the "politics of personal destruction" goes on for months and months. There will be some reconciliation within the party after a nomination is chosen, but the longer and nastier this goes on the more difficult that will be.
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JoFerret Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-08-08 06:24 AM
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8. Obama should drop out for the good of the party then
It would be a gracious thing to do. That is the logical conclusion.

Actually - I think we can allow tis process to continue. We are lucky to have two great candidates. I hope Hillary wins. Both can beat McCain. It would help if the supporters would ratchet down the nonsense and the name calling. Let the process play out in the hustings not the postings.
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RC Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-08-08 07:57 AM
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14. Hillary - McCain? Is there any real difference if either get elected?
Neither has any plans to repair the damage done to this country over the last 20+ years.
I really do wish people would not treat elections like sports games. Unlike with sports, who wins elections really does matter. We are being sold a fake bill of goods with a one way ticket down the river for which we may never return.
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cali Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-08-08 09:25 AM
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15. Sorry, 6 months of this shit and we are screwed
it's simply bad news all the way.
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cboy4 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-08-08 06:29 AM
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9. And who's to blame Cali?
I'll never forget the person who wrote Obama supporters should post anything negative about Hillary Clinton -- even if it's untrue?

Is that the kind of enthusiasm you're talking about?

You should place the blame where it belongs.





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cali Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-08-08 09:28 AM
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16. What are you babbling about?
This isn't about what happens at DU, it's about what happens in the real world. And I have no idea what the fuck you're insinuating. I don't know who wrote that Obama supporters should post anything negative about Clinton, and it doesn't matter. The blame is debatable I suppose. The harm isn't.
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fujiyama Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-08-08 06:38 AM
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11. For the most part you are right
Edited on Sat Mar-08-08 06:45 AM by fujiyama
however McCain's problem at the same time will be getting press coverage. Sure they love him, but at the same time the Dem race is BY FAR the "sexier" story.

But the bitterness will only get worse. That's why I think Hillary's recent quasi-endorsement of McCain was so destructive. I for one was set to vote for her in the fall if she won the nomination, but after that statement, I'm not so sure. It was an attack that went beyond the pale. And if she picks some dull loser hack like Vilsack or Bayh for her VP, then I just don't care who wins the election in November.

This whole election season has been crazy. I'm glad that states this late in the process are having an effect on the nomination, but the convention will be a freakin circus!
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RC Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-08-08 07:51 AM
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12. Maybe, just maybe don't you think that if the so called Democratic party had advanced real
Democrats instead of a 'right of center' middle of the roader and a DINO that doesn't see much wrong with the bu$h administration, we would not have to worry about McCain. Ya think? :banghead:
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cali Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-08-08 09:30 AM
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17. No I don't. I think YOUR take
is twisted, and it's not even pertinant. In fact, I think your take is absurd.
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RC Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-08-08 11:53 AM
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19. Absured? How so?
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JerseygirlCT Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-08-08 09:31 AM
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18. Yup. Here we go again, ready to snatch defeat from the jaws of
victory.

We're quite good at that.

Cali, you're so right. We've got to just cut it out - the ugliness, the name-calling, tha vitriol.

Can't we all just support our candidate - but do that, instead of just denigrating the other one?

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