**********This Blog is MONSTEROUSLY embarrassing************

[LulaMay]

I have written many posts on this board about how this election has exposed the ugly underbelly of sexism that has long existed in 'liberal' politics, the Democratic Party, and 'liberal' media.

Like many others here, I have called out and responded to as much of the hateful, sexist bigotry thrown at Hillary Clinton as I can.

There is far too much of it to make that effort humanly possible, an embarrassing situation of huge proportion.

There are also those who are trying to address it, even if their candidate is not Senator Clinton, and I thank them.

However, whenever someone here calls the sexism out, the torrent of hostile, repetitive attacks can be expected in the first few replies with boring predictability.

On this site alone, I have seen Senator Clinton called shrill, bossy, ugly, fat, dowdy, frumpy, just 'a wife', "THAT woman", the Devil, Satan, a bitch, a witch, a MONSTER who is "destroying" the party and "stealing" the nomination from a man, a good man, who is painted as a saint and Saviour of the Democratic party, something no man can possibly live up to. He has been harmed by default, as seen with the resignation of his adviser.

I have read comments here where people boast about 'being sexist' as they spew even more hatred at Hillary Clinton, as if it's amusing. I've read posts that complain it's wrong to vote for a woman SIMPLY because she's a woman (as if that is the only reason why a staggering number of women, and men, have turned out to vote for her, and as if anyone would deny that African Americans want to see a black man become president, and fairly so.). I've read posts that claim women are not so oppressed anymore, especially 'rich, white women', and don't "need" this nomination.

I have read many comments so sexist they had to be deleted, threads so vile they had to be locked down by system administrators.

Yesterday, I read that some people here have indeed complained to administrators before about the slur 'bitch' being allowed on the board, and that the concern was dismissed. If that is indeed the case, I call on these administrators to take the first outward step and prohibit it now.

I expect that some people will again be angry at my post. To them I ask one thing, please read everything I have written and give it a fair consideration with as much objectivity you can.

I write on this blog and called out the sexism because it matters so much. It matters as much as every kind of bigotry we fight, but it holds a sad, secret place in our world, a 'special' place, because we, women, are the only people on this planet who live with and love members of the group that oppresses us. We individually live with good men, men who are addressing it, and men who aren't, men who are abusive or violent, men far too many women can't escape and won't survive. Women this world over are beaten, raped and killed not only by strangers, but by their loved ones. Women and girls are kidnapped, beaten, drugged, held like indentured servants in sexual slavery, and people say it's just sex, can't be helped, or ever changed. This is what makes our course for freedom so incredibly difficult, seemingly impossible at times, because it all can seem and feel so god-damned natural to people, the order of things, inescapable.

It is not.

I write on this blog because the heart and soul, the brain trust, of the party and liberal politics means very much to me, because of all we've accomplished. We have been the champions of human rights, civil rights. Without the strength of our movement and party, our fight to bring equality and peace to this world will suffer. If the cancer of sexism that has been allowed to live and eat away from the inside of our movement is not taken out into the light of day, faced and dealt with, it will cost us not only this election, but much for time to come. This is not about Hillary Clinton, it never has been. It is about how she has been treated, how women have been teated. It is about how this long tolerated and denied bigotry in our political circle has been exposed to the nation, the world, how the the utter shame and embarrassment of it threatens to discredit the good we've done and our credibility to continue identifying ourselves as the champions of humanity. It is about how we are called upon now to stand up to it and declare with humility and strength that it will NO LONGER be acceptable or tolerated.

Conservatives are watching. They would be more than happy to take on the mantle of compassion if we let it all go. Our moment of truth has come, it is now, it is happening before our eyes, in just days and weeks to come. It can be our shining achievement in history, or our unbearable failure. We will feel it if that happens. The anger and vitriol will immediately disappear and we will ask ourselves 'What have we done?!" We must confront it. We must conquer it. We must be universal. Everyone must make the commitment, speak to it, and dis-invite from our cause those who will not or cannot change their ways.

Truth to Power.

Power to the people.

Peace for the World.

[Joe the Revelator]

1. Waaaaaaaaaaaaaaa!

[depakid]

10. If Obama gets thge nomination, this is what you'll be singing

as the Republican machine sends him (and his supporters) through the shredder.

[skater314159]

153. Is Hilly going to be spared because she supports McCain?

Maybe the reason Repubs will attack Obama is because he actually says he opposes McCain and the Repubs... unlike some candidates I've heard of lately.

[depakid]

160. Oh, please. Come to your senses. Hillary doesn't support McCain

[skater314159]

174. Yes she does. She said he is better than Obama. nt

[InAbLuEsTaTe]

180. Yup, that's what she was saying, even though not exactly in those words. Some Democrat she is.

[skater314159]

182. Yeah, it makes me sick...

... if I wanted more of the same fucking Repuke BS, I'd be a fucking Repuke and support them. I'm a Democrat and I want someone who will stand up to the fucking Repukes - not say "Hey, great idea!".

(I'm afraid the longer this campaign season goes, the more colorful my adjectives describing "Repuke" will get... and I'm starting to run out of adjectives!)

[Mezzo]

212. so did Michelle Obama,

and that's what you people used as an impetus to claim he had broadbase support.

Now she turns the tables and you cry foul? Puh-LEEEEEZE.

Y'all can dish, but you certainly cannot take.

[LVjinx]

271. Whether you like McCains experience or not, it's stupid to argue he doesn't have it.

And being angry because someone points it out seems silly.

[Nia Zuri]

218. She'd rather help him win in '08 so she can come back for another run in 2012

This is all about her. Wake u. She gives not a shit about you or any of us. this is all about power pure and simple. She was right about one thing, whatever happens, she'll be "just fine" with all her million$$ can't say the same for us.

[lisainmilo]

259. Hillary does in fact support McCain (repug) over Obama (democrat)

That is what she has said, it is despicable!

[LulaMay]

51. This has got to be the most boring, repetitive, juvenile response on this board.

I hate it when anyone uses it. We are not 12 year olds.

And it is not making a point.

[Straight Shooter]

64. Consider the source.

Not the shiniest ornament on the tree, that one.

[LulaMay]

109. I do....I have just needed to say that for SO long.

[RUMMYisFROSTED]

126. Lol.

[skater314159]

163. Spoken to someone who doesn't even know the diff. btw. a blog and board. nt

[NDambi]

76. Indeed

[avrdream]

189. See, Wolsh.

That is the same predictable response that the OP was talking about.

You clearly don't care that there is sexism here. Nice.

[WinkyDink]

225. Case proven.

[musicblind]

267. It DOESN'T MATTER if it is a Hillary supporter or Obama

supporter saying it. The "WAAAAAAAAAA" response in a thread has got to be the most unintelligent, childish, 2 year old tearing up his toy because he doesn't like what another poster said, immature response that can possibly be made. Any poster who uses the "WAAAAH" response is not mocking the OP, but is instead mocking themselves by displaying their own lack of anything containing intellectual value. It doesn't say "Oh look at me I'm the big bad bully of the playground." no it says "Oh look at me I bring NOTHING to the table and have absolutely nothing of any worth to contribute to the conversation."


The above paragraph does not apply to just Obama supporters or just Hillary supporters. It applies to anyone immature enough and irrelevant enough to make such a post.

[11 Bravo]

328. Thanks, I've long wondered

how a raving jack-off might respond to a post full of passion and honesty, regardless of whom said post voiced support for. Now I know.

[LSK]

2. here is some TRUTH

http://tpmelectioncentral.talkingpointsmemo.com/2007/12/heres_the_obama_smearmail_sent_out_by_the_county_chair_volunteering_for_hillary.php

[Cooley Hurd]

8. Although it's not surprising, it still BURNED me to hear WHERE that shitty email...

...originated.:grr:

[Cooley Hurd]

3. You mean DU is embarassing?

:shrug:

[LulaMay]

56. It is an embarrassment for a liberal blog to be rife with bigotry, offensive sexist comments.

that hurt all women.

[Cooley Hurd]

66. ...and Racism:

http://tpmelectioncentral.talkingpointsmemo.com/2007/12/heres_the_obama_smearmail_sent_out_by_the_county_chair_volunteering_for_hillary.php

[LulaMay]

112. I agree. Sexism is just as offensive, and unfortunately, more widely, openly expressed

including here.

[SwampG8r]

291. well

we have conditioned ourselves to self censor our mouths and let our minds remain the same
correct speak robs us of the ability to confront stupidity
i have changed more minds talking about things with people than not
dialog requires all inputs to weed out the weak ideas
encourage the bigotry the racism the sexism to be brought out into the light
you will see that like the wicked witch they cant stand so much as a splash of warm water

[skater314159]

325. Message board, not blog.

Welcome to the internets.

[anonymous171]

4. BAWWWWW

Tell it to Oprah. Oh wait, she doesn't do this either.

[blm]

5. But I will BET that you think a president putting a cigar in a young woman's vagina is NOT proof of

anything unethical or sexist and that act of misogyny should not be a consideration when he campaigns for his wife.

Hey - I was dumb enough once to act as if it was OK, too. Then Hillary started acting like SHE was the feminists' prayers answered.

Not THIS feminist.

[Name removed]

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[blm]

12. Nope - just telling it like it is. I don't FEAR the truth. Those who do aren't my problem.

.

[OzarkDem]

17. What does consensual sex and a $30 million investigation of it

have to do with anything?

The fact is, when your candidate starts losing, you start talking like a right winger to make yourself feel better.

That's pathetic and its certainly not the behavior of a Democrat.

[blm]

27. I'm responding to the OPs cries of sexism and Hillary's victimhood. Hey - that 30 million was spent

hyping Monica BECAUSE it was great cover for serious matters being deep-sixed and covered up by Clintons - they knew they would be targeted by hyped scandals when they were groomed by Jackson Stephens in Arkansas to wear donkey masks as they spent their terms protectng the serious matters that should have put BushInc and Jackson Stephens in jail.

I doubt you will ever hear a Republican talk about that. In fact, Republicans agree with Clinton supporters who claim that BCCI and IranContra were thoroughly examined and there was nothing there.

WHO sounds like the Republican?

[elixir]

82. You have some serious identity issues and a tinfoil hat to match.

[blm]

107. And you have READ the BCCI report, I suppose, and couldn't find any serious concerns, eh?

.

[roguevalley]

39. he lied about it and we all ended up going down to hell because

of it. consensual sex my ass. he was married. get divorced or separated if you want to cheat on your wife. I defended his sorry ass all those years, alienating half the people I know and for what? This? Fuck that.

I consider it sexist to cheat on your wife with someone because YOU CAN. how is being unfaithful to your faithful wife not sexist bullshit?

[NDambi]

85. Amen. Now we're excusing Billy boy's behavior? Good Lord

[OzarkDem]

115. Yes we are

most Dems and the majority of the American public didn't care about the scandals and were disgusted with the GOP for dragging him through the mud instead of doing their jobs.

[NDambi]

120. You excuse his behavior for cheating on his wife..more power to you...to me..its scummy

[OzarkDem]

125. As we all decided back then

its no one's business but their's.

[NDambi]

129. Doesn't negate the fact that I think he's scummy....and that he lied!!!

[OzarkDem]

142. Of course it does

and it makes you look like an ass for obsessing over it when you should have enough intellect to pay attention to real issues, not some stupid gossip.

Go watch soaps or read the celebrity scandal mags or something if that's all you want to talk about.

[surfin]

181. Hillary failed with Monica again

After failing at health care. She decided to be the security guard for Bill's bimbos and put her office in the west wing and she failed to stop it and look at all the problems that came from that.

[LulaMay]

263. A woman fails because her husband has an affair? She failed to 'stop it'? Are you serious?

[NDambi]

237. The facts are the facts...obsessing or not...lol

You sound very angry...must be the delegate and popular vote count thats got you all randy ala billy boy...lmao

[knixphan]

165. yep. That was my disgust with the GOP.

[OzarkDem]

111. No, he left office as one of the most popular presidents in history

And voters rejected the phony GOP sex scandals. Gore lost because he ran a crappy campaign and the GOP stole a close election. Bill's sex life had nothing to do with it.

Stop listening to Rush, its not healthy.

[roguevalley]

149. start listening to reality. RUsh? He is a fucker. Don't overlook what

is coming out just because the memories are sweeter. My family actually lost friends over defending bill. No more. Loyalty should be more than one way.

As for Monica... he lied, sure. maybe not an impeachable offense but surely a character flaw that is familial from the looks of it. Lie for what you want, damn the consequences.

[Hoof Hearted]

159. You are confused about what consensual sex is.

Grab yourself a dictionary and crack it open once in a while.

Millions of men and women cheat on each other because the opportunity arises. Get over it. You are not the moral arbiter of other peoples marriages. Only right-wing bible-thunping moral crusaders worry about Bill's dick, and a few other people who seem to have lost their minds.

[surfin]

186. NOW and all the women's groups before Monica use to preach

What Bill did was wrong and someone at his level should be fired. I was an executive in business and had them telling us all the time that this could be seen as helping the women get ahead of another more qualified women who did not mess around. Just the facts and I lost all respect for NOW and other women groups who where hypocrites when it came to Bill.

[Hoof Hearted]

190. So that's what Rush Limbauh told you?

Yeah, I'm sure you REALLY respected NOW before the Republicans wasted millions of tax dollars investigating a blow job.

[LulaMay]

28. No you aren't. I wouldn't even repeat wrote you wrote, much less think nothing of it.

[blm]

32. Cry sexism for REAL SEXISM and not as a ploy to smear Democratic voters who think Hillary is NOT

the feminist icon you want to pretend she is.

Repeat this truth - Clintons cover up for Bushes - they always have and they always will because THAT is what Jackson Stephens GROOMED them for and why he BANKROLLED their political careers and why he underwrote Bill's primary campaign.

Some of us don't want Clintons in the position of continuing that protection of the Bushes and those who do want to pretend that the arguments against Hillary are just SEXIST.

Bullshit. You can't handle when I post REAL SEXISM and MISOGYNY of Bill Clinton and want to hide behind feeling insulted, when all I care about is the government being OPEN to the people and ACCOUNTABLE to the people - and know that Clintons protect Closed Government and the secrecy and privilege of the Bushes.

But you couldn't figure THAT out because your bottle of Feign-Feign only works with BULLSHIT!

[LulaMay]

52. It isn't real sexism when a woman, any woman, is called those names? How so?

[blm]

60. You lumped it all together to use sexism to HIDE the reasons why MOST OF US don't

support Hillary or any Clinton returning to the WH. We don't WANT them to reprise their roles as Clean up crew and fixers for the Bushes, as they obfuscate the nation's HISTORIC RECORD - deep-sixing matters that if they HAD been more fully revealed would have PREVENTED 9-11. Sorry, but what has gone on since the return of BushInc and 9-11 is far too serious to get caught up in the preferred cloudgames of someone called her a bitch type debates better suited for Junior High playgrounds.

If open government is too serious an issue for you then step away and let informed citizens perform their duties as citizens without all the peripheral bullshit games some of you like to play.

[LulaMay]

145. No, I did not. I thanked everyone who has spoken up about it, including Obama suporters

[LulaMay]

146. I also pointed out how it hurts him as well. His supporters are not doing him any favors by

indulging in it. If they care about their candidate and his chances, they would do well to knock it off.

The damage done to him today by his adviser being an example.

[blm]

164. Damage? Bush2 is REAL damage to this country. 9-11 is real damage to this country.

Clintons siding with the secrecy and privilege of the Bushes and their powerful cronies throughout the 90s had SERIOUS CONSEQUENCES for this nation and the world, let alone our party.

THAT was REAL damage. And some of you want that protection of the Bushes and their fascist cronies to continue and some of us are trying to STOP THAT from happening.

Yet you want to play who called who a sexist name. Will THAT debate stop the next 9-11? Will OPEN GOVERNMENT be more likely to stop the next 9-11?

Think about that.

[knixphan]

168. NO Bush enablers! - agreed.

[Hepburn]

305. I have been called a bitch....

....and I fully admit that I am one...and rather good at it.

Your point?

[skater314159]

326. AMEN! nt

[JuniorPlankton]

Can't imagine where you are going with this...

:crazy:

[elixir]

67. How sad for you that you would let Bill Clinton's prior indiscretions color your opinion of

Hillary. I don't think you really care about Bill, you just don't like Hillary.

[blm]

114. I care that those Dems opposed to closed government that protects BushInc get smeared as sexists

just because we don't want the protection of BushInc to continue into the next decade.

Those hiding behind sexism charges sure have nothing to say about defending open government.

[BlueStater]

72. I never thought I would see a sentence like that on this website

I usually agree with what you have to say but you are WAY out of line here.

[blm]

98. I went overthetop to expose how false the argument is. They hide behind sexism when

they have no answer for why many of us activist Dems really don't want Clintons in the WH because we know they will continue to protect the Bushes and protect the secrecy and privilege of the powerful behind the closed government they support.

[Jamastiene]

81. Consentual sex is not sexist or misogyny.

Where did you get that? I can't argue with unethical, but sexist or misogynistic, no.

[blm]

123. And supporting Obama because of open government advocacy is not sexism, is it? Yet that

is what Dems opposed to Hillary Clinton and the Clintons consistent siding with closed government that protects the Bushes and the powerful elite get smeared with daily.

[Catherina]

141. Hillary is an anti-Feminist

Maybe it was ok 30 years ago to ride your husband's coat-tails and brag about all your accomplishments when it was HE who appointed you to committees but it's not ok today.

And it's not ok to turn a blind eye to your husband's sexual exploitation of young woman because your political ambition is more important.

Nice to meet you. You get it.

[LulaMay]

150. She has always worked for women's rights. Her speech at the Womens Conference in Bejiing was very

important and women the world over know it and appreciate it.

You should too, even if you do not support her as a candidate.

[mrreowwr_kittty]

155. But LulaMay, according to HRC, speeches are just empty words. nt

[blm]

167. Whether it be a man or a woman, ANYONE who sidew ith protecting the Bushes and the powerful

are NOT really on the side of women, Democrats, or the American citizenry.


You can try and fool yourself all you want - but those of us who know what is in the reports Clintons deep-sixed for Poppy Bush know better.

[Catherina]

211. Women's rights? What the fuck is a pretty speech?

What the fuck is a pretty speech in Bejiing when you've got thousands of young Chinese women in Beijing fattening up your personal Wal-Mart portfolio. Fat lot her pretty speech did to her slaves working 15 hours a day, 7 days a week.

Where's your outrage Sister?

I won't have any part of your false feminism that selectively places sexual apparatus ahead of human rights. She's in bed with corporate pimps who profit from exploiting women. Some role model. My mother would slap Hillary in the face.

She sobbed, played the rescue card and you came running.

Spare me the manipulation. If you took feminism seriously you wouldn't be getting your panties in a wad over words, you'd be angry watching a woman try to ride into the White House on her marriage certificate.

Where's your outrage Sister? I love my sisters around the world too much to play your game.

[skater314159]

329. If I could recommend your post, I would!

Thanks for your enlightening post.

Preach on!

[theredpen]

330. Oh dear, Catherina has posted some reality in this topic

I guess it's just a matter of time before it gets deleted.

[SwampG8r]

292. well

the she humidor in question
a miss monica lewinsky?
she had a top secret clearance
something hillary has never had if im not mistaken
also how come when the women came after bill and were denigrated by the clinton machine as trailer trash and other sexist slurs
didnt that offend your "feminist sensabilities"?

[blm]

311. What makes you assume that many of us approved of THAT type of sexism, either?

Some of us happen to know that Bushes and Clintons put on these distracting dog and pony shows as cover for their deceits - especially with Clinton protecting BushInc throughout the 90s for the IranContra-BCCCI matters that involved many powerful Bush cronies like Stephens, Dubai and Saudi royals, Bin Ladens, Marc Rich, AQ Khan, Adnan Khasogghi, James Bath, and more.

Surely you must have noticed what was actually going on to protect the Bushes and their cronies while the Whitewater and Lewinsky circuses were playing out?

[skater314159]

341. It's easier to blame others here than to get off one's ass and work.

Trying to effect change is tough.

It's much easier to throw around terms like "abuse", "sexism", "rape", and others - which is a real injustice to the SURVIVORS of such crimes against humanity.

And to answer your question (since the one you queried won't answer you) she doesn't notice anything that doesn't fit her biased, warped world-view. Don't try to post truth or facts... she will just attack you, and throw one of the labels I mentioned above at you.

[OzarkDem]

6. Its gone "freeper"

Not surprising when the GOP seems to have lost interest in their own party, they would wander over here and get wrapped up in their chronic Hillary Hating and women bashing. Also not surprising that some of our less enlightened Dems at DU would get caught up in the thrill of it all.

Let's face it, many of these guys get a "stiffy" when the get to bash women and threaten violence against Hillary.

[anonymous171]

9. Let's face it, you don't have any facts to stand on.

So you just project this sexist image onto those whose positions actually make sense.

[OzarkDem]

13. The facts are in this forum - here in public for everyone to read

The kind of disgusting, offensive, crazed, sexist, violent misogynist things you only used to see on the right wing hate web sites.

The freepers have invaded DU and converted a few DU'ers. Good luck trying to pretend it doesn't exist.

[OzarkDem]

118. No, your comments do a pretty good job of it

[anonymous171]

138. Your calling me sexist aren't you...

I'm having trouble with your innuendo here...

[cali]

7. codswallop, Sara Heartburn

You exaggerate grotesquely. And grab a clue: Obama has been attacked as viciously as Hillary.

Oh, and you're free to leave.

[LulaMay]

54. I do not exaggerate. What amount of offensive sexist comments merits your denouncement of it?

10? 100? 1000?

I could easily count upwards of that over the past few weeks.

[NJSecularist]

11. You mean like an article titled this: "Roseanne Barr: Bow to the Woman" referring to Obama.....

....bowing down to HIllary?

Imagine if an Obama supporter wrote an article titled "John Doe: Bow Down to the Man", referring to Hillary bowing down to Obama. Imagine how much of an uproar there would be from all of the women on this forum?

There's a pretty crappy double standard on this forum.

[LulaMay]

251. Yes. I find that offensive too. I don't have a double standard, and wrote that it hurts Obama too.

[Texas Hill Country]

14. I find it offensive as well, and for as much as they hate the Republican playbook

They certainly have been brainwashed by it.


Proof that going negative works.

[Rabrrrrrr]

15. What blog are you talking about? Normally, one would mention it and provide a link.

If you find that blog so embarrassing, why do write it?

I don't understand at all.

[LulaMay]

58. If you need to ask for a link to sexist vitriol written here, you aren't reading anything.

But, I suspect you are just not being genuine.

[Rabrrrrrr]

235. You are talking about some kind of blog - where is this blog?

About what blog are you talking?

I'm not asking for links to sexist stuff here - I'm asking what blog you are talking about?

[LulaMay]

252. I mean this board. I've already corrected myself on that. Do you have a response to the topic?

[Rabrrrrrr]

269. Oh, you meant DU. Good - proper language usage is important.

It helps in communicating with people if you use language correctly and accurately.

As to my response to your topic, I can only say: :nopity: WAAAAA WAAAAAA WAAAAAAAHHHHHHH!!!!

Illiterate whining about shit that barely exists will get you no mileage with me.

If you want to play the "If you don't vote for Clinton, you're a misogynist" line, you can. Others will play the "If you don't vote for Obama, you're a racist" card.

You are both wrong.

And your whining is simultaneously hilarious and pathetic. Mostly, though, it's just fucking sad.

[LulaMay]

299. As I thought, you are only dismissing the topic as unimportant. WAAA-WAAA is not correct grammar.

[Rabrrrrrr]

313. Of course I'm dismissing the topic as unimportant.

Because it is.

:nopity::nopity::nopity::nopity::nopity:

[LulaMay]

316. Then you have no place in a movement & party that fights sexism and racism, fights for womens rights

[Rabrrrrrr]

346. Because I think you're a whiny fucking two-year old and wrong,

I don't belong with people who actually help fight the REAL racism and the REAL sexism?

Well, yeah, that sounds about right for a two-year old - "you're either with me or your against me."

Go try some shades of gray - black and white vision went out fifty years ago.

[LulaMay]

317. People who are sexist, mock women, how it hurts us, are going to find themselves not tolerated any

more.....

I'd suggest thinking about your bigotry, working on it,

or thinking of another place you fit in.

[skater314159]

324. Why ONLY "women"? WHY not *PEOPLE*?

Sexism cuts both ways, Lulu. If you can't see how YOU are being sexist, you are blind and a hypocrite.

[Rabrrrrrr]

345. Blah blah blah whine blah whine whinge whine whinge blah blah blah blah

Fucking blah blah blah blah.

I'd suggest checking your pathetic ignorance at the door before you call me a bigot, and maybe learn who you're talking to, and atually find out what the hell you're talking about.

I'd also suggest stopping the fucking incessant whining, and also ending your victim mentality. It's going to get you a heart attack or something.

I'm no more a bigot or sexist than you are. Just because I disagree with you on one point doesn't make me sexist or bigoted. The fact that you think it does says more about your bigotry than anyone else's. It also shows how facile and toddler-like your complaints are.

Oh, boo fucking hoo, someone said something bad about Hillary - obviously that person is a sexist bigoted pig! Oh, boo fucking hoo, woe is me, I'm such a victim, oh, this place is monstrous. Boo fucking hoo.

[thoughtcrime1984]

16. Between the words "pimp' and "monster"

Hillary has sure shown she can dish it out but can't take it. If you want to run for President, you have to deal with every farking bit of it. I have been reminded of this over and over by Hil supporters (and campaign) that love their dirty little games.

[OzarkDem]

20. Do tell

Do you have a link to prove she used those words?

WTF are you talking about?

:crazy:

[skater314159]

342. That's why I don't think she shoud be our first female Prez.

There are plenty of strong, intellegent, and much better suited to be President women out there... and I would support them.

But I want CHANGE, HONESTY, ACCOUNTABILITY, and an end to THE GOVERNMENT'S TYRRANY OF THE LAST EIGHT YEARS. Millions of Americans agree with me...

So I'm BACKING OBAMA - I voted, and I caucused. I've made a difference.

Thanks for your honest post.
Be Well and Peace Obama_for_our_future !

skater pi

[MoonRiver]

18. I know what you mean.

I feel like the damage being done to the Democratic Party by the sexist garbage being thrown around in a free for all hate fest, both here and in the MSM, is irreparable.

[OzarkDem]

22. There's not much in the MSM

but there's plenty of it here.

On the positive side, its mobilizing women voters like never before and they will end up being the ones to choose our next president and pull our nation out of the political sewer.

[elmerdem]

33. unfortunately...

she is mobilizing more repubs than women!

[susankh4]

49. Just like I was saying

I hope they keep dishing it. Cuz it's helping the base rally round our girl!

[Hepburn]

308. How sexist.....

...she is a 60 year old WOMAN....duh.....

[Catherine Vincent]

19. Some Obama supporters have really trashed this place with all their hate.

What a shame.

[theredpen]

23. We're not out campaigning for McCain

So we've got a lot of free time.

[casus belli]

38. Word. n/t

[goclark]

290. Exactly ~ to think a WomanDemocrat would praise a

MAN Republican over a Black Male Democrat is beyond me.

She has no respect for minorities and it is crystal clear.

[skater314159]

343. Its crystal clear to those in the real world...

... and those who haven't drank the KlintonKool-Aid.

Unfortunately, there are people here from other dimensions of reality and/or who love that tasty Kool-Aid.

[theredpen]

21. What's so bad about being sexy?

Oh! Sex-IST. I see. It's a thin line between clever and... stupid.

[LulaMay]

30. What are you referring to as "sexy", being raped, a sex slave? Maybe you'd like to take their place

[theredpen]

40. Maybe. What does it pay?

:crazy:

[LulaMay]

59. Your cruelty is astounding.

[theredpen]

70. Oh, you're just saying that.

Careful, I might get a big head.

[Jamastiene]

86. If you'd ever really been raped, you wouldn't joke about it at all.

You are one sick motherfucker. :thumbsdown:

[theredpen]

108. If you really had a mother, you wouldn't call me a motherfucker.

So there.

[skater314159]

130. I don't appreciate your comment either.

I survived a rape-slaying in which two others died.

I don't like YOU or ANYONE being the arbiter of when the term "rape" can be used by me or anyone, or WHO gets to talk about rape, where, and when... but I also guess YOU think George Carlin and others who employ black humour can't even joke about the subject. YOU want to control the topic so that YOU (and the OP) can use it at YOUR will, as a sort of "suffering trump card" - and THAT is behaviour that should make YOU sick. FUCK YOU.

If I or ANYONE want to talk about rape, or joke about it, thats OUR fucking business. Not yours, not the MSM's, not anyone's.

It's our experience and you don't fucking control what we say, or how we say it. People wanting to control language is NEVER acceptable. We have free speech, all of us - and that means that people have the right to say what they want, as do you.

If I had not had a sense of humor, I'd have fucking killed myself after what I experienced. Humor sometimes helps people deal with the heaviest shit in the world without going fucking nuts - if YOU'D been raped, maybe you'd fucking get that.

If you don't like what's being said here - there's PLENTY of other places you can go and post.

[Hoof Hearted]

176. Your uncontrolled rage just caused you to contradict your own post.

That person was expressing their opinion which they have a right to.

They expressed the opinion that the "jokester" (hardly Carlin material) would never make jokes about rape if it had happened to them. That was their opinion - you can tell that because they didn't forbid, or even ask the poster not to continue joking about rape, they simply stated their own opinion.

Instead of digesting this, you fire off a post trying to control them and their language with a post complaining, well, about people wanting to control language and the importance of free speech.

You make an appeal to pathos and use it as a preemptive strike to defend yourself as you wield a flurry of RAGE and ANGER. You should follow some of your own advice.

[theredpen]

196. I wasn't joking about rape

Someone asked me if I wanted to be raped or be a sex slave. What was I supposed to say? Was that where I was supposed to apologize for posting a Spinal Tap reference? Jeebus.

skater314159 is absolutely correct. "rape" was being used to control the conversation and it's insulting to all actual rape victims. I think that someone who survived a rape/murder would have every right to be full of rage about that.

More shame-based manipulation.

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[Dark]

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[skater314159]

344. SKATER PI'S PRIMER ON "SEXY"

Edit: apparently "sex" or "sexy" things are verboten... oh well... there were some nice pics.

I'm moving em all to my briefcase, and I'll list links here for naughty people to follow.

I didn't want to offend - just a Chaplain trying to help people find their own definitions of sexy and get their grooves on...

HERE'S THE LINK: http://briefcase.yahoo.com/skater314159
YOU HAVE TO have a Yahoo account AND BE OVER 18!!!
IF you aren't 18 OR you don't have your age specified, you won't see the folder.
The folder you want is titled: Skater_Pi's_Sexy_Primer
Have fun and enjoy the images... and remember, my intent is not to issue limits on what is sexy, but just a basic introduction to show that there is not a sinle unified idea of what "sexy" is.


Also, I think it a shame that people can't associate sex with fun and enjoyment... I feel sorry for anyone who thinks any/all sexual contact between consenting parties is "rape" or "sexual slavery".

EDIT: Needed to fix folder link problems.

[Jersey Devil]

99. LOL

Now she's REALLY gonna be pissed

:rofl: :rofl:

[purji]

24. perhaps you should take a little time off

I stopped coming for a month or two and I feel all the better for it now.

[LulaMay]

253. I do. I think my post is valuable to the forum though, so I make the effort.

[LisaM]

25. TPM has been flagged before as anti-Hillary

I have never seen such divisive politics on DU as I have since the primaries started. The OP wrote a thoughtful, heartfelt post, and the reaction to is "Bwwwwwwah"?

In the past month, I have been called a number of names here, and the bulk of them are sexist. I have tried to refrain from name calling myself, but even if I were to indulge, I wouldn't make it personal and wouldn't relate it to age, sex, race, or religion.

Yet that's what's going on here.

I've seen Hillary attacked with every sexist name in the book. In the past few days, I've seen her called scum, tata, bitch, traitor, and more. The people doing it have to know they are over the top. I don't know if it's a feeding frenzy or what, but the name calling has got to stop.

I've been called "a (sic) ugly harpy" and paleofeminist (made up insult, I guess) and I can't believe it's coming from Democrats. In fact, I don't think it is.

Find me the posts that personally insult Barack Obama with any sexist or racist names (though you won't, because anything racist will be pulled, as it should be, and it doesn't seem to me that the Hillary fans really feel like getting down into the mud and calling names).

[elmerdem]

37. scum & traitor=sexist?

[OzarkDem]

136. and as sexist

A lot of Dems don't realize, but active Dem women overlook this sexist crap most of the time just to keep the peace. But this primary campaign and the sexist attacks against Hillary has pushed most of us too far and we're finally speaking out.

Enough with the sexism in this party. We've let you guys run it and you've made a total mess of it for the last several years. Time to shut up, get out of the way and let the women take over. We're the majority of this party and we're fed up. So get used to it.

[totodeinhere]

152. Speaking of sexism

Time to shut up, get out of the way and let the women take over.

Speaking of sexism, that is one of the most sexist comments I have seen on this board lately.

[Bluerthanblue]

26. Hillary as demonstrated she enjoys playing the offended victim-

She does NOT represent what a strong, mature, capable woman is.

She is NOT the kind of person I hope to see become the first female president.

She does NOT have the credibility or character to lead this country.


As a woman, I do NOT want to encourage or enable USING the 'sexism card' to excuse personal shortcomings.

peace~

[LulaMay]

34. The comment was offensive, but she is a rock. She is a champion.

[Bluerthanblue]

41. she may be a rock- but she is no champion, and she is NOT

the kind of person who should be the first female president.

period-

no apology, no excuse.

peace~

[LulaMay]

63. It is championing a cause when you work for human rights, like speaking in Bejiing for women & girls

being hurt the world over.

You could be genuine enough to grant her that credit.

[anonymous171]

65. I would, but then I remembered that speeches are "Just words."

[LulaMay]

73. It isn't just words to work for the US to sign the UN resolve against sex trafficking

or getting health care for children....for a few examples.

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[GoneOffShore]

If I could recommend your post I would

The hate expressed on this thread is amazing.

[theredpen]

331. I would have recommended it, too

But instead, it got deleted. I guess there's not as much room in the Big Tent as we were lead to believe.

[skater314159]

332. It got deleted... oh well. nt

[NDambi]

91. beautiful

[NMMatt]

29. The audacity of some people

This campaign was positive until Hillary took it into the mud. And now Hillary and her supporters are claiming to be victims!?!? When a woman speaks her mind about Hillary dispicable tactics, she is forced to resign, and somehow that woman is "sexist" for speaking the truth. At every turn the Hillary approach is to sling mud, and then claim sexism everytime the smallest bit comes back at her. What this does is cheapen real sexism, makes it appear to not be a problem.

The truth is that Hillary has done more to set back equality for women than any person in modern history, much like she ruined universal healthcare for a generation.

[skater314159]

100. Yeah, its all attack and then cry "victim"...

but you aren't supposed to notice that... guess you aren't fit to be one of the sheeple like others here.

Watch out - they'll say you're part of the problem for your final sentence in that post - even though its the truth.

[ProSense]

31. No, this is embarrassing coming from a Democrat's campaign and supporters

Clinton Camp Pushes O-Bomber Links: Ignores Her Own Radical Ties
Barack Obama's Willie Horton

link

[LulaMay]

35. How? You have posted sexist remarks. I imagine you simply don't like the points I've made.

[ProSense]

42. Sexist? WTF are you talking about? n/t

[skater314159]

140. Simply disagreeing with her rant is "sexism". nt

[skater314159]

102. Disagreeing with you isn't "sexism".

Get a fucking clue.

[LulaMay]

I didn't say it was. Are you claiming that calling a woman the names I listed isn't sexism?

and don't swear at me. I won't respond to you again.

[skater314159]

135. Go ahead put me on fucking ignore.

Can you even read what I wrote?

Did I say that "calling a woman the names I listed isn't sexism"? No. Go brush up on your english and take your meds.

[casus belli]

36. Aren't you the one that called the "Monster" comment sexist?

If so, I think you may need to brush up on your definitions.

[LulaMay]

Why do you think it's been taken so seriously? Read my post and understand how it is sexist

when used in the context it has been.

[skater314159]

340. Reading your post helps us understand you don't "get" the term "sexist".

That is all... oh wait, that's not true. :crazy:

[LulaMay]

161. "Cow", "Chick", "Bitch", are all regular words too. We know what they mean when used against women.

[latinolatteliberal]

43. Maybe, just maybe, are you being too sensitive?

Listen, you sound reasonable. Yes, fighting for the heart and soul of liberalism is good and all that. But I think you are seeing sexism where none exists. I have defended the use of the word bitch before, but I'm willing to admit that there might be some generational divide that can't accept the word bitch as something beyond misogynistic slur. But take a look at the rest of your list. Calling someone bossy, ugly, fat or a monster is not sexist. Am I sexist for disliking Bush for his frat-boy alpha-male persona? When viewed negatively aren't those traits almost always associated with males? And yet, the fact that they rub me the wrong way does not mean that I have something against men. It means I have something against condescension.

I like to consider myself a feminist, and I think you are overstating your case. Are people here nasty and combative? Sure. Sexist? Yeah, but not as much as you think.

[LulaMay]

184. No. "Cow", "Chick", "Bitch" are regular words used as sexist slurs against women. It's the context

[LulaMay]

185. For example; I was not offended when watching the Westminster Dog Show and a judge said "bitch" when

referring to a female dog, though it's been abused so much it makes you cringe to hear it.

It may need to go out of the lexicon, replaced.

[Dark]

44. In other words, if you attack Hillary, you're a sexist.

Sorry, but I don't like Hillary's attitude of "I'm owed the presidency."

Among other policy issues.

[LulaMay]

50. No, not in "other" words. I said she is being attacked with sexism, and it needs to stop.

Criticizing her politics or positions is legitimate criticism,

Sexist, personal attacks are not.

The word "attack" suggests inappropriate vitriol and violence. I don't think it's a sensible word for you to use in opposing her as a candidate.

[skater314159]

110. I don't think you understand basic vocabulary

The word "attack" suggests inappropriate vitriol and violence. I don't think it's a sensible word for you to use in opposing her as a candidate.

But she can "attack" Obama with impunity?

Is pointing out she has launched "attacks" sensible to you?

[LulaMay]

133. I don't see how it does you any good to make such a silly claim.

[skater314159]

134. You can't see what others find obvious. nt

[SoCalDem]

210. Now now.."Attacks were launched" is the preferred way

The republican way.. no ONE did it.. it just happened..:eyes:

Outgoing attacks from HRC..well they just happen

Income attacks.... well that's sexist and being mean to a lady

:eyes:

[susankh4]

45. The more they keep dishing it

the more adamant her base becomes. And grows. This was the whole point of the SNL "Bitch" skit.

Keep it up, all ye mysogynists. Your tactic is working! (for Hillary, that is.)

[anonymous171]

47. Victimhood is not a good position to be in.

Victims don't make good presidents.

[susankh4]

48. You just keep dishing it!

We can take it.

And make lemonade out of it.

[theredpen]

55. Mmmmm... lemonade

• Losing in the popular vote
• Losing in the pledge delegates
• Reportedly now losing in superdelegates
• Losing in the number of primaries won
• Losing to McCain worse than Obama in current polls

Are you sure that you're getting lemons 'cause it smells like something else.

[Sparkly]

77. Agreed, so...

What is it when Obama is the victim of her campaign tactics?

To me, it's the same thing.

[anonymous171]

79. Does Obama make a fuss about being attacked constantly, about being asked the first question?

I think not.

[Sparkly]

83. Did Clinton "make a fuss" about being called a "monster?"

They both point to attacks when they think it'll help them.

[LulaMay]

84. His aides have complained about racism for him, even when it was specious, trumped up against Bill

Clinton, a person everyone knows has down so much to combat racism.

So, yes.

[anonymous171]

88. The point is that Clinton HERSELF has whined about these things.

[LulaMay]

187. Yes. She spoke for herself. That is the hallmark of a leader.

[Hepburn]

307. Yeah, real hallmark of a leader....NOT!

Just picture a world summit and Prez Hillary whining that someone asked her a question first. Is she also going to stamp her feet and sob and hide behind Bill?

Oh, please...she a fucking embarassment to any of us who really are independent and strong women. She is just a Repubbie dork in faux liberal clothing.

[theredpen]

90. You mean Bill Clinton's racist comment about the South Carolina primary?

"Jesse Jackson won South Carolina in '84 and '88."

Because, as we all know, the n----r always wins South Carolina. I suppose Hillary was supposed to win all the white states, but she hasn't done that either.

[LulaMay]

154. Even Jesse Jackson said he didn't think it was racist. The media , and others, pushed it

because they thought it would benefit Obama.

[theredpen]

156. Jackson didn't say that.

He was misquoted by the racist MSM.

[LulaMay]

166. Yes, he did. He, and other black leaders, really didn't like Bill Clinton being called racist

and that's why it has pretty well stopped.

They know he isn't, and works very hard for African Americans.

[skater314159]

273. Unless they are running against his wife...

... then fuck helping black people.

Making comments how they only win caucuses or largely black states isn't bigoted - to you...

Veeery convinent.

[mrreowwr_kittty]

158. Okay, so now any shred of credibility you had is gone. nt

[asjr]

53. Good try Lula May but the anger and

vitriol seem to remain. This DU is not the DU I joined in 2002. I don't come here as often as I used to because it seems more and more to sound like MSNBC, CNN, AND FOX news. The media have done a pretty good job of brainwashing.

[theredpen]

57. You're right about MSM brainwashing

Especially Keith Olberman. Did you hear the sexist attacks he made on Hillary Clinton last night? That guy has to go.

[asjr]

61. When he made them before I decided

to change the channel. I really was surprised he would join the Clinton-bashers. He has lost credibility for me.

[theredpen]

68. That mean old Keith

Imagine! Criticizing Clinton for saying things! The sexist bastard.

[LulaMay]

93. I said he has made his bias very apparent, not that he made sexist remarks.

[LulaMay]

95. But, he has also not said one word about the sexism, even sitting next to Chris Matthew's.

[theredpen]

113. Damn him and his not sainy one word about the sexism!

He must be part of the patriarchy. I can see it on him. It's the tie.
:tinfoilhat:

[LulaMay]

169. Yes, that his job as a political commentator. It's dereliction of his duty as a 'reporter.'

[theredpen]

171. Dereliction of duty! Sexism!

What has Keith Olberman said that was not factual?

[LulaMay]

254. How is that sexist? Men and women can be derilict in their duties. You aren't making sense.

[skater314159]

274. Nor are you. nt

[LulaMay]

302. You admit that others who share your opinion don't make sense? You never post any point, ever.

[skater314159]

320. I meant YOU never make a point.

Once again, review basic english before slamming others please.

[NDambi]

97. Off with his head..fire everyone.. You sound like Hillary..lol

[theredpen]

116. Off with his head and put it on a spike in front of Hillary's campaign office!

That will teach him not to ignore SEXISM.

[NDambi]

122. Uh...it's not gonna happen..KO isn't going anywhere..sorry to disappoint.. Good job Keith!!

[theredpen]

128. No!!!! He must be crushed!!!! He has committed a grave sin!!!!

Where does Keith Olberman get off saying bad things about Hillary Clinton! That must simply not be tolerated in a free society! If Hillary Clinton is not allowed to campaign without sustaining any criticism whatsoever then, quite simply, this country is no different than Cambodia under Pol Pot. Just name one difference!

[NDambi]

132. Rant and Rave...but KO isn't going anywhere...Hallelujah! I'll be front and center tonight too

Watching KO do his thing and rooting him on, in full mode.

You see it how you want.

I'll do the same.

Go Keith!

[theredpen]

139. When Hillary Clinton assumes power, Keith Olberman will be punished for his crimes

You'll see.

If I were you, I wouldn't watch him. Those V-chips? They monitor your viewing. Clinton will get the reports from NSA headquarters and put you in the camps with the other sexists. Laugh while you can!

[NDambi]

236. LMAO.....Please

Put down the pipe

[theredpen]

243. That is the most sexist post I've ever seen on DU

Obviously, the moderators are in on the anti-Hillary, pro-sexism policy along with the MSM and, apparently, you!

I should put you on my ignore list, but your Keith-Olberman-Programmed hate has to be monitored for the greater good!

[NDambi]

266. Please ignore me...ha ha..doesn't change the facts..you can't run from the truth..everyone

knows what Hillary was, is and is going to be...and sensible, sane, reasonable people know that Keith rocks..

I hope he continually sticks it to her..she deserves no less.

[theredpen]

272. There's a tragedy here

Let's see...

So far I've:

• Suggested that Keith Olberman is like Pol Pot for criticizing Clinton
• Said that the V-chip is used by the NSA to monitor people
• Announced that Hillary's enemies should be put in concentration camps
• Declared post #236 is sexist for no reason whatsoever

Meanwhile, elsewhere here, I've defended Keith Olberman.

The fact is that I love Keith Olberman and I was trying to figure out how much insanity you'd respond to before you questioned my sincerity. Admit it: before you came to GD:P, you would have said, "You're not serious, are you?" several posts ago. Instead, you actually thought someone would post these opinions in all seriousness.

This has cemented my belief that GD:P makes people stupid. Look over these posts and realize that you were smarter that this before you started posting here! Escape while you still can!

[NDambi]

293. ha ha..I believe all that you texty..you're a demi-god

I love insanity....I do it all day!

What else ya got, Minjinga?

[leftynyc]

69. I'm an old timer also

and am in total agreement. I can't tell if I'm on DU or FR anymore. The insults to our candidates is the same on both sites.

[LulaMay]

78. I agree the media has been a bad influence, unfortunately including some 'liberal' commentators

who have shown their extreme bias and made remarks, like Shuster and Matthew's, for example, and KO's very obvious bias.

[dionysus]

62. your banky maam;

[LulaMay]

255. Could I have some tea and crumpets with that insult please?

[theredpen]

281. One lump or two?

[smiley_glad_hands]

71. Well she invoked Ken Starr in describing Obama, and endorsed McCain?

With these kinds of tactics, she's not making any friends here thats for sure.

[LulaMay]

87. 1. I don't believe so. 2. How are those statements bigoted?

Nobody deserves to have prejudice and hatred flung at them because people disagree with their positions.

[theredpen]

104. You don't beleive so...

OK. Well, you can have your own opinion, but you also seem to be insisting on your own facts.

Not really surprising, considering the rather unbalanced tenor of your posts. You seem to believe that Hillary Clinton is being robbed of something she rightfully owns. She is not entitled to the nomination, she has to win it according to the nomination rules put in place by the Democratic party. Right now, she is losing, fair and square.

Apparently, losing on your own merits is "sexism." Oh something. :crazy:

[LulaMay]

117. She did not say it, and it is not a bigoted statement. "Monster" is. The topic is sexism.

[theredpen]

121. Obama didn't call Clinton a "monster"

I'm confused, because earlier the topic was sex slavery and rape.

Now it's whether Ken Starr is a sexist? I mean who knows, right?

[LulaMay]

137. I didn't say that he did. I wrote that the sexism has hurt him, including the remark by his advisor

[theredpen]

148. Sexism from his advisor... the woman?

Oh yeah, she's a real sexist. :eyes:

[LulaMay]

188. Women can be sexist, sadly.

[theredpen]

193. So, when a woman calls another woman a "monster" it's sexist.

Why is that, again?

[LulaMay]

214. It has nothing to do with who uses it in that context.

[LulaMay]

215. and again, why don't you address the topic?

[theredpen]

241. Isn't the topic the claim that calling someone a "monster" is sexist?

[LulaMay]

244. It's that sexism has been long tolerated even in liberal politics, how it's hurting us, the election

what it will cost us, our cause and the Democratic party if it continues. It is about how this election has exposed the sexism in liberal politics, and our moment of truth. It is about how we will respond, if we will again choose to be a champion of all people, retain our credibility, or face a painful, costly failure. It is about the need for people to speak up and say it won't, can't be acceptable anywhere, most certainly in truly liberal politics. It is about the need for individual and group introspection, soul searching, and honesty to come to deeper understanding, humility, and resolution to change.

It is not really about Hillary Clinton or her candidacy, it is about she's been treated, how all women are treated and hurt by sexism.

It is about how all people are hurt by it, even Senator Obama. His supporters have not helped him by indulging in it.

The events of the day spurred my comments.

and, yes, it is sexist to call a woman a monster in the context it was done, and in similar, various ways that I outlined in my post.

[skater314159]

143. How the fuck is "Monster" sexist?

Can you even explain that?

[Catherina]

147. If it's not complimentary of St. Hillary, it's sexist n/t

[skater314159]

157. Thanks! I needed that explained!

[LulaMay]

172. Yes. Read the post. "Cow, "Chick", "Bitch" are regular words too. The sexist intent is apparent

when used in attacking women.

It's not complicated.

[LulaMay]

173. For example; I was not offended when watching the Westminster Dog Show and a judge said "bitch" when

referring to a female dog, because it is the proper name, although it has been abused so badly and so much against women that it makes you cringe a little when you hear it.

It's one of those words that may eventually need to go by the wayside out of our lexicon because of the abuse.

[skater314159]

275. Not if drag queens have their way!

I'm a BITCH and I'm BEAUTIFUL honey!

B = beautiful
I = intelligent
T = thought-provoking
C = creative
H = horny

YOU just need to lighten up! It'll make your whole life GLAMOROUS!!!

[skater314159]

197. Unless its Hillary that is doing the flinging of the prejudice, eh? nt

[HiFructosePronSyrup]

74. Awww.

[rodeodance]

75. Thank you. So many times I log on and think this is FR by the threads posted here!!

[LulaMay]

80. I agree. Thanks for all your great posts.

[theredpen]

131. Actually, on FR they spend their time attacking McCain

I wish we'd do that here. :(

[Political Heretic]

92. You want to know what's as sick as the ocassional outbreaks of actual sexism by minority of posters?

The dilution of the terms sexism and gender discrimination, to the point where they become meaningless - all for political gain.

The cries of sexism here have been so twisted and perverted into political tactics that it trivializes the entire subject. Some on can say "I heard Hillary's favorite color is Purple" and there will be a veritable armada of posters ready to explode onto the scene with "OMG the sexism here is disgusting" posts.

Sexism, Patriarchy and Gender Discriminations are real problems and a grand total of none of these issues are being well addressed by this climate of hysterical exaggeration and hyperbole deliberately going on for purely political spin purposes. :(

That's the real shame.

[skater314159]

162. Thanks for speaking the truth. nt

[Jersey Devil]

94. Aw, Christ, put a sock in it (corrected thanks to Lulamay)

Sure, anyone who is against Hillary is a sexist, for the umpteen millionth time.

Couldn't you at least have been original?

[LulaMay]

101. Are you claiming that it is not sexist to call a woman those names, make those remarks?

[Jersey Devil]

127. Well, here's the story, Lulamay

While there may be a great number of posts here saying what you described, frankly I haven't seen as many as you seem to make them out to be. It could be that I haven't seen them because I am not looking for them or frankly just overlooked them and perhaps you spotted them due to your having more sensitivity to the issue than I do.

In any case, it is becoming very tiring to be lumped together with those who make the kind of reprehensible remarks that you describe. Your post, and many others like it, give the distinct impression that sexism is the overwhelming reason for opposition to Hillary when I believe that is not the case. Though I have seen some of the posts you describe they certainly do not represent those who oppose Hillary in any great numbers in my opinion.

So to have to read through the same accusations over and over and over again is annoying to say the least. If you have a beef with someone who does it, by all means call them out and ream them a new one. But please, do you have to make general announcements, in caps no less, like you were being overwhelmed with sexism and the building is on fire?

Toodles

[LulaMay]

103. BTW- The saying is "Put a sock IN it", as in the mouth, which, no, I won't.

[Jersey Devil]

106. yes, thank you Lulamay, I just noticed it myself

You are sooo helpful. Smootch!

[carlotta]

96. Lula May, thanks for this post

I wish I could have said it half as well.

I guess what I really don't understand is that Obama claims to stand for a new kind of politics where we, as Americans, will come together to find solutions for our problems, where divisions will heal. And yet, so, so many of his supporters here are so full of hatred and vitriol that it makes me wonder how he attracts the kind of people here at DU.

It just doesn't mesh with his message, so I can only conclude that his message of hope and change will never work.

[LulaMay]

105. His supporters are not helping him by indulging in it, at all.

[ContinentalOp]

119. Um... this isn't a blog you know.

[Justitia]

124. Oh, I'm sure it's being spammed to multiple blogs & the spammer forgot to update the terms.

It's astroturf.

[skater314159]

333. That's probably a "sexist" comment, watch out! nt

[stevietheman]

144. DU is a discussion board, not a blog... learn the diff, Hillbot. n/t

n/t

[skater314159]

151. Yeah, but disagreeing is "sexism", so mebbe

she has her own vocabulary going on here...

[LulaMay]

175. Is that the best response you have for a serious topic? I will call it a board from now on if you

stop calling people silly names like "Hillbot" (a lame take on "femme-bot"...also not so complimentary to women).

[skater314159]

191. Hillbot. nt

[LulaMay]

195. How unfortunate. You choose to be a dinasour.

[skater314159]

283. What? That's an "insult" to a Hillbot?

You are weak.



RRRRRRRRRRRRRAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAARRRR!

HEAR ME ROAR!!!!

EDIT: fix image link. Darn you FortuneCity!!!

[skater314159]

334. Hey Hillbot, how about you use the term "sexism" properly?

Rather than being a word-anal-retentive to others when you can't even differentiate between a blog and a message board?

I think THAT is what stevietheman was trying to tell you... but as usual you can't parse English properly.

[D-Sooner]

170. How is calling someone a "monster" sexist? (nt)

[LulaMay]

178. Please read my post. "Cow", "Chick", "Bitch" are regular words too. It's the context.

It's also why it's been taken so seriously, and his adviser resigned.

[D-Sooner]

183. Hah hah

No, it's not the same as cow, chick, and bitch. Those have definite gender connotations. Monster is a harsh way to describe someone, but it's gender-neutral.

Let me give you an example. You are a monster. See, I have no idea what your gender is, so it works either way. Now, if I called you a chick, it wouldn't fit if you were a guy.

[skater314159]

192. Context which you don't even understand. nt

[LulaMay]

179. For example; I was not offended when watching the Westminster Dog Show and a judge said "bitch" when

referring to a female dog. Though it's been so abused as a sexist slur against women that it makes you cringe just hearing it.

[Name removed]

177. Deleted sub-thread

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[SoCalDem]

194. Women in politics have to expect to be hit and hit hard

metaphorically, of course..

BUT, when it happens, they cannot fall back on their "womanly" persona.

It may not be fair or fun, but it's factual.

This campaign has been different from all others, since two "protected" entities are opposing each other.

Imagine a brawl between a bald eagle and a california condor...both protected, and yet only one can survive the brawl.. both are protected and important, but they will fight each other and each will have backers who , in other circumstances, would go to the mat to save either one, ...but in this case, they must "choose sides"..

If HRC were being opposed by a WHITE man, the argument would be different, because they have their "whiteness" in common, so the fight would have one different feature.

There are tactics that can be used among people of the same race, regardless of the race, but when it becomes interracial and man v woman, there are some ground rules that, once broken, cannot be "I apologize"ed away...we saw that in SC..

For ANY man in a contest with a woman, he is at somewhat of a disadvantage because if he is too strident, and loses, he's accused of "being mean to a lady".....

a. women can easily accuse him of being sexist, and that's why he lost
b. men can ridicule him for losing to a woman

If he wins....

a. women can claim that "men ALWAYS win, and put women "down"..and it's not fair
b. men can still ridicule him because ...well he beat a woman..

Now add in the racial factor..

There are still lizard-brained mouth-breathers out there who see a black man being harsh with a white lady...(never mind that the white lady flings shit with the best of them..and was the instigator of most of the harshness of the fight)..It's still a black man vs white lady to them

When the white lady wins, she's "I am woman hear me roar".. and the women who support her overwhelmingly see nothing wrong in saying.."finally..it's our turn"

but

when black people (male & female) support the black man, they are sometimes accused of "reverse racism".. isn't the "other", reverse sexism, as well?

This campaign is a conundrum..and if they are not careful, both will lose...and we all go along for the ride to the bottom..

There was a time when both candidates were admired, but as the time ticks away and the states-left-to-to vote dwindle, it's getting progressively ugly, and the crossover people in the middle may just say.. "you guys fight it out somewhere where I don't have to see it and call me in November...I may vote then..or maybe not"...

About his demeanor and the perception that he's a "saviour".. He based his campaign on positivity and a hopeful outlook. It's always been about the "we"..not the "I".. Her campaign had been the opposite..It's always been "I this" and "I that".. THAT's what draw people to him.. We have endured 7+ years of an "I" guy, who calls OUR military, HIS soldiers, HIS military..HIS white house..

It's ME vs WE

White woman who put up with a bad-boy husband, carved out her own career, and as payback for all she endured, expected to be the first woman president.. pretty extraordinary, and she worked hard at it, and wanted it for herself.. Nothing wrong with those aspirations...except for the fact that her run was treated, from the beginning, as her due..and it seemed so personal.. the "me" thing

Black man, who felt that this was "his time to run", and that the country was "ready" for the next step. He crafted his campaign around the "we", and people liked it.. I never got the impression that he expected it, as HIS due..

I guess we will all find out soon, if we are to remain a country of "me"s or if we can return to a time when this country was a "we" country..Most people can do the "me"...but not all can manage the "we"..

[LulaMay]

198. I expect that everytime I speak out, but it doesn't make the attacks right or fair or insignificant.

[SoCalDem]

199. It just is what it is.. and most of life is not "fair"

an aside:

I have worked for men and women, and the meanest bosses I ever had, were women:).. They seemed to go that extra step to demean us all and "keep us in line"..to prove to THEIR bosses that they could manage people..:)

[LulaMay]

203. I know what it is, and it is ugly, as is your acceptance of sexism.

[SoCalDem]

205. I am sexist because the women bosses I had were meanies?

:rofl:

this place IS really getting weird :eyes:

:rofl:

[skater314159]

202. What? nt

[LulaMay]

201. Also, your phrasing that we should expect to be "hit, and hit hard" is threatening and

very poor, considering the violence against women, and how many are beaten everyday.

[skater314159]

204. You ARE over sensitive.

And your language does injustice to *actual* victims of *actual* violence - not this crap you keep trying to insist is "evil" and "sexism".

[SoCalDem]

206. as a formerly abused child.. I say..you are off base on that one..big time

Definitions of metaphor:

* noun: a figure of speech in which an expression is used to refer to something that it does not literally denote in order to suggest a similarity

[LulaMay]

207. Then you should understand more that abusing women is not acceptable.

[SoCalDem]

209. SHE'S NOT BEING ABUSED.. SHE'S APPLYING FOR THE BIGGEST JOB ON THE PLANET

If she can't take what SHE'S dishing out... well you know:)

She cannot have it both ways..

[LulaMay]

216. She's being abused for daring to apply.

[skater314159]

335. That's YOUR BIASED interpretation. nt

[LulaMay]

217. ..and, why don't you try addressing the topic of sexism on this board? Because you can't.

[SoCalDem]

224. Narrow-mindedness is not a virtue

and saying the same thing over and over, does not make it "Truthier"..

I supported NEITHER candidate until the HRC campaign started the ugly smear campaign..and I have plenty of company..

We are not asking you to join us, but YOUR opinion carries no more weight than anyone else's ..

Hillary may yet prevail, and if she does, I will wish her all the luck possible.. she will need it..

I am also a realist, and realize that the people her campaign are counting on to follow her, just may not choose to do that, so the big numbers she counts on, may not materialize..and then we all lose.. If that happens, she has only herself to look to, for the reason why.

It's sad to see the weakest republican candidate in decades running, and also think that we might hand this to him on a silver platter because she managed to alienate so many people....people she HAD in the beginning..

Life goes on... and so does vitriol.. I hope you can calm down after this is over..and take a breather to release some of your anger


peace

[skater314159]

278. No one can to your liking

... because your definition of what sexism is, is dysfunctional.

As I said earlier, get a fucking clue honey.

[LulaMay]

220. She's being abused for daring to apply.

[skater314159]

284. Abused? Don't throw that word around, honey. nt

[LulaMay]

221. She's being abused for daring to apply.

[skater314159]

336. Can you at least delete your DUPLICATE POSTS?

Or do you not even know the proper etiquette of MESSAGE BOARDS? (as you keep calling this a "blog")

Don't talk about how awful everyone else here is, if you can't even follow the cultural rules for DU.

[LulaMay]

223. just for those people who enjoy calling Hillary supporters a lame version of "femme-bot"

[skater314159]

279. You Hillbot. nt

[skater314159]

276. Abusing *PEOPLE* is WRONG!!!

You ARE a fucking bigot... just becuause you are FOR one minority group doesn't change that fact.

Abusing PEOPLE - ANYONE - despite race, ethnicity, religion, disability, gender, sexual-preference, fave sports team or whatever else - is WRONG.

[rosetta627]

208. She's a horrible person and it has nothing to do with her gender

I share her gender.
And that's ALL I have in common with that hideous person.

[LulaMay]

213. Talk about missing the point entirely.

[rosetta627]

234. Got the point; don't want the point

If you think she is a decent human then there's little hope for you.

[LulaMay]

256. Then you can't claim to be a liberal who fights all bigotry and has a place in this movement.

[Name removed]

280. Deleted message

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[Name removed]

310. Deleted message

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[skater314159]

337. I'm a LIBERAL and fuck you. You don't define me. nt

[theredpen]

339. Is there no ad hominem too pathetic for you to apply?

So far you've called me an apologist for rape and just about everyone else a sexist and now you tell someone on DU they don't qualify as a liberal because they disagree with you.

The moderators may be able to save you from a bruised ego, but they can't save you from yourself.

[LulaMay]

219. and making a meaningless comment about a caring, brilliant person.

[Bigleaf]

228. Caring? ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha

I think you meant cunning.

[billyoc]

222. It's monstrously, not "monsterously". You spell like a girl.

:hi:

[LulaMay]

226. deleted

[LulaMay]

227. It was intentional because of the events of the day. You are part of the problem.

[billyoc]

229. Ah, then I apologize. You don't spell like a girl.

:hi:

[LulaMay]

230. It's hurtful to girls and boys to make such jokes that should be in the trash heap.

It hurts boys by 'shaming' them for being 'weak' as females are said to be.

It hurts girls by reinforcing those sexist ideas, and keeping them out of sports, anything that's considered for men only, and shamed for not being 'feminine'.

[billyoc]

233. They certainly should.

Look around you, this *is* the trash heap. :hi:

[LulaMay]

231. double post deleted

[theredpen]

277. But she soooooo spells like a girl

What does that even mean?

[skater314159]

338. Blame others rather than take PERSONAL RESPONSIBILTY. Nice. nt

[LulaMay]

232. Hey all, my husband asked me to dinner....so bye for now! Please keep K & R'ing!

[Spider Jerusalem]

238. This isn't a blog, this is a discussion forum. There's a difference.

[LulaMay]

245. I already addressed that far less important point. The topic deserves to be addressed seriously.

[LulaMay]

250. You dismiss sexism as not worth discussing with your comment.

[GoneOffShore]

239. You took course in victimology and now you're trying for your PHD

You come in here screaming "Sexism, sexism, sexism" like it's something that you just discovered. Well, it's been here in varying degrees from the beginning and despite your indignation, it's probably not going away any time soon. Same with some of the racists, the truthers, the anti science woo woo crowd (who are actually more prevalent and dangerous than the "sexists") and the freepy trollers.

If you can't stand it, start your own damn board.

[LulaMay]

248. Has all your material been rejected by Comedy Central? Don't sweat it, there are other careers.

[GoneOffShore]

294. ......

:wtf:

Hmmm, no profile, outrageous vitriol, absolutism rampant.

Get your own damn board, you may have to.

[Laelth]

240. Beautifully written, and I hear you.

But I do not agree. I have little sympathy left for Hillary, even if what you say is true. I defended her for too long, and now I am eating my words. I refuse to defend her any longer.

Among Democrats, the Democratic Party must come before personal ambition.

:(

-Laelth

[LulaMay]

246. Thank you...

but it isn't actually about Hillary Clinton as a candidate, it is about how she has been treated and attacked with sexism, how it hurts all women.

It has hurt Senator Obama too. Those who post such bigotry with the belief they are supporting him ar not doing him any favors.

It is legitimate to criticize a persons politics and actions, but not with bigotry, sexism.

[Laelth]

270. I agree entirely with your assessment of the effects of sexism.

n/t

-Laelth

[Dinger]

242. Excellent Post, Thank You!

An oasis in the desert.

:)

[LulaMay]

247. Thank you! I appreciate it.

[saltpoint]

249. If it's not a Deesh, it's just not a ceiling fan.

[LulaMay]

257. ?

[Name removed]

288. Deleted message

Message removed by moderator. Click here to review the message board rules.

[LulaMay]

303. I'm alerting this. Don't put a picture of a gun in my face. Readers see your harassment.

[theredpen]

321. Have you EVER been to the movies?

You didn't get the Spinal Tap joke. You didn't get the "The Big Lebowski" reference.

No wonder you're so bitter and miserable. Get out and have some fun. Really.

[OneBlueSky]

258. when people resort to name calling, I simply dismiss their entire argument . . .

if their arguments were sound, they wouldn't need to use invectives . . . and that goes for both candidates and their surrogates . . .

I'm so tired of and disgusted with this pissing contest that's masquerading as a primary campaign that I sincerely hope the convention deadlocks and has to find an alternative to both of them . . . my first choice would be Al Gore, but John Edwards would be acceptable as well . . . come to think of it, so would most anyone else with solid progressive credentials . . .

[LulaMay]

261. I do too, but it should stop. The sexism needs addressing, and people held accountable by others.

[LulaMay]

262. Did you just K & R? If so, thank you!

[LulaMay]

260. Update: Look no further than this thread to see the problem. Rape victims were mocked...

by one man (yes, I'm assuming). I was told I "write like a girl". Another person wrote that women running for office should expect to be "hit, and hit hard". Several people laughed at the fact that it is sexist to call women names like 'cow', chick', 'bitch', 'witch', or monster as it was used against HRC, others claimed sexism isn't a problem on this board, or isn't a 'real' problem compared to other things, if at all.

That is a small sample.

I rest my case.

[skater314159]

285. You are mentally ill and your definition and use of "sexism" and "abuse"

to suit your political ends are sickening.

YOU are the one taking terms that mean real things to real people who have survived them, and throwing them around like fucking kleenexes just to support your political candidate.

YOU want to see the face of bigotry and hate on DU Lula? Go look in the mirror - you are it.

[theredpen]

287. YOU are being mocked

And for good reason. You used the issue of rape to score cheap rhetorical points in a discussion about how Hillary Clinton is being treated in the public square. That's a reasonable topic, really, but you've turned it into a circus, and have done it at the expense of rape survivors, common sense and whatever else gets in the way of your rather obtuse world view.

And you totally spell like a girl. :rofl:
Edit: Could someone explain what that insult could possibly mean?

[LulaMay]

300. There are more replies from more people on this thread who aren't sexist and agree. Fewer like you.

and I can take the juvenile comments.

They only embarrass you.

[theredpen]

319. Reality is not a popularity contest

And just because you are not self-aware to be embarrassed does not mean that you do not have cause to be embarrassed.

[cooolandrew]

264. It all fairness it is improving and I as an Obama supporter will call it out.

[LulaMay]

265. I thank you for calling it out, but today looked as bad to me as any.

[workinclasszero]

268. "Conservatives are watching."

Yup you are right.

And their loving it when Hillary says, more than once, McCain has the experience to be President but Obama doesn't.

Hillary this year is a total disaster for the dem party. It has nothing to do with her sex.

Its her hubris and her horribly divisive gutter campaign thats the problem. Its the fact that she hasn't got the grace to concede the race she has lost but instead she will destroy Obama's chance to get elected.

Again, nothing to do with her sex, just her piss poor judgment.

Sexual victim-hood for Hillary doesn't wash.

[LulaMay]

298. This post is about how sexism is hurting this board, party, liberal politics. Ignore at our peril.

[Hepburn]

304. Geeeeeeeeez,

you are the one who is anti-female and hurting women. Your pitty party is NOT what it's all about. Color you clueless. Demanding respect is NOT how one earns it. Please, stop putting us back in the dark ages, OK?

[tigervalentine]

282. Not because she's a woman,

but because of her behavior, all those nasty terms you listed apply to her.

If she were a man, she'd be called George W. Bush.

[skater314159]

286. Oh NO! You can't say that here! LulaMae won't let you!

She'll call you sexist, an abuser, or a rapist.

Don't dare compare Hill with Georgie!

Run while you can still get away!

[LulaMay]

296. That is not the point of the post. It is not about HRC, it about how she & women are treated.

and how sexism is alive and well in certain 'liberal' politics, our party and rife on this board....and that it needs to stop, or we are going to lose a lot, for time to come.

I pointed out how it has hurt Sen. Obama too.

Please read the whole post.

[skater314159]

323. I read your incoherent rant...

and you don't even really know what "sexism" - you just throw it out there any time someone says something about Hillary... which is a true disservice to those who are the victims of sexism and prejudice.

And you only pointed out how bigotry hurt Obama, when others and I on this thread stated things in such a way that if you didn't, you'd have been called a RACIST.

[goclark]

289. I'm a Woman and I'm also an African American

And I am ashamed of the way that a "woman" would have the nerve to provide racial smears for another minority -- be it a Man or a woman.

So therefore, she is telling the world that she has no regard for minorities and I don't respect her for that --

She is no better than Rush to me.

[GoneOffShore]

295. Careful

LulaMay is going to send her minions to administer a :spank:

And she'll call you self hating.

[LulaMay]

297. This is not about HRC's candidacy, it about how she and all women, black and white, are treated.

Sexism and racism are intertwined, and we must rid this party and liberal politics of both.

[goclark]

301. HC must not have gotten your message ~ she thinks they have

nothing to do with each other --

If she truly believed it we would not see darkened pictures and Muslim garb etc. coming from her campaign.

[LulaMay]

306. One of saddest things to come out of this race is that Bill & Hillary Clinton were called racists...

when they have fought racism and worked closely with the black community for their advancement.

Most people know this, black people too, and black leaders, like Jesse Jackson, which is why that sort of baseless criticism has mostly stopped.

It is a smear that her campaign did what you charge. The media has never reported that it was true, or validated in any way, or it would be all over the television more and somebody would be resigning immediately, like Sen Obama's adviser had to yesterday over her comments.

[blm]

312. You don't know much about Bill protecting Poppy Bush's CIA Drugrunning operations

in the 80s that dumped TONS of cheap IranContra into cities across America and DELIBERATELY TARGETED black communities, do you?

When the report came out in 1996 from Pulitzer Prize winning investigative reporter Gary Webb, Clinton officials denied and downplayed the report, targeted the reporter with smears about his sanity, and stonewalled till the story dropped and was barely noticed two years later when CIA documents showed up in a court case that proved the report was accurate.

Gee - why would Clinton side with protecting Poppy Bush's illegal operation targeting black community instead of siding with the American people and ESPECIALLY the black community's right to know how their own government was targeting them? Oh yeah - Poppy Bush was running that operation out of an airport in............Arkansas.

You think the crack epidemic of the 80s happened in a vacuum?

[LulaMay]

315. Is that why the black community and leaders like and respect him? He lives in Harlem

and helped bring more to that community.

They know it.


I don't hold Democrats responsible for the drug wars started by Reagan and Bush.

[blm]

318. You don't hold Clinton responsible for protecting Bush's secrecy on that illegal operation?

You don't hold Bill responsible for looking the other way as Governor while Poppy Bush used Arkansas as a base for his drugrunning operations?

Few in the black community even noticed what happened with that investigation, as impeachment took over the headlines and a blue dress buried the story even when the documents were revealed in court in 1998 - the DAY OF impeachment.

You are pretty gullible if you think this stuff is anything more than a dog and pony show to manipulate the bases and their PERCEPTIONS of 'sides' when Bushes and Clintons have been working together for decades.

[LaurenG]

309. I think you tried to say that monster was a sexist term yesterday

I don't think you really know what sexism is. I get the feeling that you are saying that any unflattering word said about Senator Clinton is sexist.

Though I think sexism is a problem it's NOTHING like it used to be but I commend you on that effort at least.

[LulaMay]

314. Please read the OP. It's the context, like other regular words that are also used in sexist attacks

[skater314159]

322. Your real problem is it was used AGAINST Hillary. Period. nt

[K Gardner]

327. Here you go again, trying to DEMEAN women into voting for a woman. A woman who no one can

criticize in ANY manner or you will call them sexist. Do you think you have changed anyone's mind about this woman? You haven't. And you're making her look weak and you are victimizing her, but then again, she likes to play the victim.

Maybe you should have a chat with the woman whose life has been ruined, who became a homeless drug addict because of the trauma of being raped as a child, blamed for her own rape, and being portrayed as a liar by Hillary Rodham Clinton.

Truth to Power, indeed.
Monster.. indeed.
I don't even consider her a woman.