Tweety: Black support of Obama is ghettoization

[spotbird]

Fucking MSNBC.

Imagine if he's said voting Clinton is the girlie.

[writes3000]

1. At least he was called on it

by the guest who strongly objected to that phrasing.

[meow mix]

15. those guys LOVED Obama lol...

was a good segment i thought

[writes3000]

37. And it was a good debate/discussion between them.

Tweety pretty much shut up.

[Cha]

58. Way to mobilize Black voters tweety...

you dumb mo+&3r #00+3r!!

[bigdarryl]

2. MSNBC needs to SUSPEND him ASAP!!!!!!

DUMB FUCK!!!!

[LSparkle]

3. It's gonna be this way all through Pennsylvania ...

Tweety's home state. He thinks he knows it backwards and forwards, and delights
in the smoke-filled rooms/party elders/ward leaders, ad nauseum. This is politics
at its WORST and Tweety's about to give us a month-long tour of the sausage factory.

:puke:

[RUMMYisFROSTED]

28. A truly frightening post.

[LiberalAndProud]

4. Can't stand him.

McCain's twin. yuck.

[movonne]

17. Why do you watch him...I watch Judge Judy and then turn over

to Keith at 5pm..Judge Judy keeps me laughing...

[LiberalAndProud]

27. I don't.

See Tweety, change channel. Kinda like when Bush holds a presser. Can't do it.

[jody]

5. What is the PC phrase for women who vote for Hillary because she's a woman? n/t

[writes3000]

7. Voters.

[spotbird]

8. Idiots?

I couldn't resist.

[SeattleGirl]

6. WTF?

Way to diss an entire race, Tweety.

[jlake]

9. He should be fired. Immediately.

[spotbird]

13. It's tolerable if he is dissing Obama

Different candidates, different rules.

[thevoiceofreason]

14. jlake, I love it when we came come together from time to time.

[DURHAM D]

29. I agree - what an ass. eom

[Kingofalldems]

10. Tweety loves his boy McCain

Now going after both Dems.

[jlake]

16. Yep. He's a racist, sexist pig. HA! (spittle flying)

[Tellurian]

11. Forgive me... what is: ghettoization? And what did Tweety mean when he said that..

I have him on but I tune out when I type.

[spotbird]

18. Black support = ghetto support

There isn't another interpretation.

[Eric J in MN]

23. "to place or collect in a ghetto"

above from http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/ghettoization

http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/ghetto

ghet·to

1. a section of a city, esp. a thickly populated slum area, inhabited predominantly by members of an ethnic or other minority group, often as a result of social or economic restrictions, pressures, or hardships.

[Tellurian]

38. Well, tell me how would those folks feel if they knew their "hero" left his constituents

out in the freezing cold without heat in Rezko's substandard low-income housing that winter of 1997?

[qazplm]

47. do you really believe this stuff?

I understand having a preference, but do you seriously believe that Obama intentionally and knowingly said you know what, I want people to freeze.

Give me a break.

[Tellurian]

56. There is evidence..

Obama at the time was a State Senator representing the mostly African-Americans who lived in the Rezko owned tenements. These residents of the Rezko owned tenements presumably contacted elected officials when they found themselves living in substandard housing and freezing in the winter. Where was Obama with consitutent services? Obama should have known and it strains credulity to think he did not know. Obama had helped Rezko obtain government subsidies for these tenements and we presume some type of due diligence was performed by Obama in which he would uncover the nature of the Rezko housing.

In that same article we quoted from the Chicago Sun-Times the following:

”Obama, who has worked as a lawyer and a legislator to improve living conditions for the poor, took campaign donations from Rezko even as Rezko’s low-income housing empire was collapsing, leaving many African-American families in buildings riddled with problems — including squalid living conditions, vacant apartments, lack of heat, squatters and drug dealers. The building in Englewood was one of 30 Rezmar rehabbed in a series of troubled deals largely financed by taxpayers. Every project ran into financial difficulty. More than half went into foreclosure, a Chicago Sun-Times investigation has found. “Their buildings were falling apart,” said a former city official. “They just didn’t pay attention to the condition of these buildings.” Eleven of Rezko’s buildings were in Obama’s state Senate district.“

Here is a bit more from that Chicago Sun-Times article:

“For more than five weeks during the brutal winter of 1997, tenants shivered without heat in a government-subsidized apartment building on Chicago’s South Side.”

“It was just four years after the landlords — Antoin “Tony” Rezko and his partner Daniel Mahru — had rehabbed the 31-unit building in Englewood with a loan from Chicago taxpayers.”

“Rezko and Mahru couldn’t find money to get the heat back on.”

“Rezmar kept getting city and state funding, even as earlier projects fell into disrepair and financial troubles.
But their company, Rezmar Corp., did come up with $1,000 to give to the political campaign fund of Barack Obama, the newly elected state senator whose district included the unheated building.”

...*What use was Obama’s “community organizer” experience to those shivering tenants?

...*What use was Obama the state senator to those shivering tenants?

...*What relationships did Obama build during his “community organizer” days that proved useless when he became state senator, and failed to keep him in touch with the community?

...*What was Obama doing in his plush state senator office that kept him too busy to know that these “struggling families” were without heat “For more than five weeks during the brutal winter of 1997″?

...*If Obama with all his “community organizer” experience did not know what was happening in his small district office in Chicago, how in blazes does anyone think he will respond to the needs of an American electorate that numbers in the hundreds of millions?

...*What was Obama doing in his state senate office while his constituents suffered due to now indicted slumlord Antoin “Tony” Rezko, Obama’s friend of 17 years? Well, Obama was busy writing letters to get even more government money for his friends, including Rezko.

...*Who did Obama take care of and who was he busy working for - his constituents or his now indicted friend Rezko who helped Obama buy a magnificent heated house?

The Senator From Rezko,Part II quoting a Chicago Tribune editorial:

On June 13, the Chicago Sun-Times reported that as a state senator, Obama wrote letters to city and state officials supporting Rezko’s successful bid to get more than $14 million from taxpayers to build apartments for senior citizens. The Sun-Times said the deal included $855,000 in development fees for Rezko and his partner, Allison S. Davis, Obama’s former boss, according to records from the project, which was four blocks outside Obama’s state Senate district. Obama’s campaign responded that Obama’s letters weren’t intended as a favor for Rezko or Davis, but rather in the interest of the people in the community who have benefited from the project. An attorney for Rezko, who has pleaded not guilty to federal charges of influence peddling and bank fraud, told the newspaper that Rezko never sought a letter from Obama in connection with the project.

From Obama’s Curse:

“I’ve said to Rev. Sharpton and I’ll say it today, if there is somebody - I don’t care whether they are white or black or they are male or female - if there is somebody who has been more on the forefront on behalf of the issues you care about and has more concrete accomplishments on behalf of the things you’re concerned about, I’m happy to see you endorse them. But I am absolutely confident you will not find that.”

When it came time to defend the defenseless or protect and enrich the powerful. Obama made a decision. He protected his powerful friends and provided them with even more government money. Same old Chicago politics. The poor shivered in cold tenements. Obama bought a new house. Now he wants a bigger White House to entertain his Chicago friends.

The shivering poor will remember the missing state senator.

[Danger Mouse]

54. provide evidence for that, please.

[tishaLA]

12. Because white men voting for white men is just, you know,

neutral. The natural order of things. Evolution. Reasonable. Rational.

[smotrage]

42. Obama has far more white support than Hillary has black support.

85% of blacks are voting for Obama. That tells me that more blacks are taking race into consideration when they step into the voting booth than whites. In other words, black voters have shown themselves to be more racist than whites in this primary.

[tishaLA]

43. LOL.

Pretzel logic.

[stillcool]

50. Why is it that the most...

bigoted people deny racism?

[spotbird]

52. Well, it's a damn good thing Clinton

has alienated them, since their overwhelming support in the general would smack of racism. It was despicable of Bill not to condemn the black racist support as well.

[Cha]

61. So does this mean bil won't be pullin'

the same shit in Mississippi that he did in South Carolina?

[Danger Mouse]

55. That's a steaming load and you know it.

Does that make female hillary supporters sexist?
Of course it doesn't.

[thepurpose]

19. I really don't get Tweety. He shows signs at time of being a real analysis, but its like he can't

help himself from going off the deep end to some bizarre land that no one else occupies for no apparent reason.

[islandmkl]

20. do you ever get the feeling he's auditioning for Faux?...

like he thinks he would 'intellectualize' that f***ing mob...

you would think he would realize that KO is way out of his league, and KO sets the standard for MSNBC...even though he is the lone voice (not ignoring Rachel's appearances) that speaks out anywhere on MSMTV...

[ourbluenation]

21. yo tweety - most people who live in the ghetto in my town are white.

and we went for Obama in primary.

[enough already]

22. Just a disgrace

He should be fired.

[Kaylee]

24. What the HELL kind of statement is this.....

What does this even mean! All blacks that support Obama are from the Ghetto? Black support is dragging him down making him less legitimite.? What the hell is he trying to say here....

[Berry Cool]

30. Actually, it's possible to use "ghettoization" in a neutral sense

to refer to a group of people being relegated to a special, isolated area or arena. As in, when I was going to middle school, the girls were ghettoized into the home ec classes, and the boys into the shop classes.

(Let's not forget, "ghetto" was originally an Italian term, used to refer to the part of an American town where all the Italians lived.)

But Tweety should have realized how such a word would sound in the context in which he was using it--and NOT used it that way, precisely because it could be interpreted to imply that Obama's support came only from black ghettoes.

Unfortunately, the man is tin-eared.

[spotbird]

35. No, he was specifically

talking about it in a racial context.

[tishaLA]

36. Actually, ghetto is an Italian term

that comes from the Italian verb for "to cast" (as in iron, copper, etc.) because the original Jewish ghetto in Venice was located on an island that housed casting factories.

[Berry Cool]

63. The Italians used it to refer to "where the Jews live"

and I believe other countries picked it up...and then when the Italians came to America, it was also used to describe where the Italians lived...and where the Jews lived, and where the Poles lived, etc.

It's only more recently that we've come to regard it as always meaning "where the African Americans live."

[tishaLA]

68. yes, i think that's what my post says

i.e., that it's not "the part of an American town where all the Italians lived"

[TheWraith]

25. If he said exactly that, with no extenuating context, he's an idiot.

Yes, some black people are voting for Obama just because he's black. And some women are voting for Hillary just because she's a woman. And both groups are wrong for doing so. That's clique politics, and it promotes sloppiness both among candidates and among the electorate.

I wonder, though, how Matthews explains why Black voters didn't flock to Obama until well after he won in lily-white Iowa.

[stillcool]

51. and yet when someone says...

they are proud to be voting for the first woman to be President it is just fine. In the meantime, I read a response here where the poster said she didn't think a President Obama would be a good thing, because the black community will feel as though they are entitled to something. Like education, heath care, or fair wages etc., :scared:

[islandmkl]

26. Tweety:

"But I was talkin' about Shaft!"

[Thepricebreaker]

31. I watched it live - this post makes it sound so bad.. Nothing is going to happen to him.

I watched the whole thing. He used other races as well as black people under the title Ghetto.

He wasnt saying ghetto people vote for Obama. He was saying that people of the same race tend to vote
for their race. Its 100% true a lot of the time. (I.e. getting a Latino to endorse you when you want the Latino vote).

He said is it becoming Ghettoization of politics.

[spotbird]

39. He said blacks voting for

the black candidate, whites for the white, the ghettoization of politics.

[Perky]

45. Do you have any idea what he was talking about? see my post 44

[tishaLA]

53. The problem is that politics isn't "becoming"

ghettoized. Politics has been ghettoized, and largely because of people like Tweety whose ways of examining politics is about a kind of particularization or atomization of the voting population. And it's not his fault, really. I grew up in Philadelphia, like him, and I knew that Italians would vote for Italian candidates and Poles for Polish candidates, etc.

But this becomes an issue for people like Tweety not when it concerns white voters and candidates--it never enters his mind that white people are also marked in the same ways as African American and Latino candidates--but when it concerns people who have been historically disenfranchised in the American polis. It is because Tweety insists on making them visible AS women, AS African American, AS Latino, but he can pretend his Irish Catholic whiteness constitutes some kind of transcendent signifier. In other words, white candidates always benefit from the white ghettoization of the American political scene, but when others benefit, people like Tweety pretend this is the emergence of race or gender mattering.

[anamandujano]

32. Tweety was A-OK with BO supporters when he was trashing Hillary and being sexist.

:nopity:

[tishaLA]

33. As Newt Gingrich has explained,

"Ghettoization" originally referred to European Jewry. For gosh sakes, you silly liberals! Tweety was just saying that Black support of Obama is support for Hebrew, but by proxy.

http://thinkprogress.org/2007/04/03/gingrich-ghetto-spanish-hebrew/

[goldcanyonaz]

34. But, Tweety gets shivers up his leg when he watches Obama speak.

[seabeyond]

41. bush use to do it for him. that may be a good thing for us. n/t

[seabeyond]

40. ya well he would say it. he is as much a sexist as any of them. he is an all over pig

and bashes dem at any chance. any dem

[Perky]

The OP is incredibly superficial... I watched it.....This is what he was saying

He was talking about the history of Philly mayoral politics and how in the past the white voted for Fank Rizzo because he was white and the blacks voted for the Black candidate. and it was terribly polarized. He merely asked the question to to philly pundits if the same type of "Ghettoization" was going to occur in this race. The black pundit said that Obama's message was transcendant" and the WHite Pundit said that Obama's ethnicitgy was actually a plus in the white Suburbs.

Tweety's question was fine and so were the responses.

[Perky]

44. The OP is incredibly superficial... I watched it.....This is what he was saying

He was talking about the history of Philly mayoral politics and how in the past the white voted for Fank Rizzo because he was white and the blacks voted for the Black candidate. and it was terribly polarized. He merely asked the question to to philly pundits if the same type of "Ghettoization" was going to occur in this race. The black pundit said that Obama's message was transcendant" and the WHite Pundit said that Obama's ethnicitgy was actually a plus in the white Suburbs.

Tweety's question was fine and so were the responses.

[K Gardner]

57. You are correct about the context of the remark, but it still seemed

quite shocking to me when he said it. Both of his guests called him on it and I think from the look on his face, he knew he had crossed the line. It was over the line. There is nothing okay, IMO, about using the word "ghettoization" in regards to a candidate for President when that candidate is black. Thats maybe just me. Lots of other ways he could have expressed it.

[Emit]

46. Well he did compare Clinton to a striptease dancer once

he's a twit.

[Perky]

48. I think it was somone on Faux talking about Fred Thompson'swife

[Emit]

49. .

:spray:


That may have happened, too!

[Canuckistanian]

59. Holy Christ, get that man off the air

That's a terrible thing to say.

Of course he won't get punished like Imus, he gets to keep his multi-$million job.

Meanwhile, half of America listens to what he says.

Disgusting.

[otohara]

60. Our Poor Little Delicate Ears

did you hear the whole conversation?

Mountain out of mole hill.

[Straight Shooter]

62. Delicate ears, delicate sensibilities, delicate skin that's much too thin.

This primary is entertaining, to say the least. Killing ants with thunderbolts.

[Beacool]

64. But, but, Tweety LOVES Obama!!!

What happened to the guy that felt a tingling sensation going up his leg when he heard Obama speak? What happened to the guy who glorified Obama and bashed Hillary mercilessly for months.

Is the bloom off the rose? How fickle are men............


:rofl:

[anonymous171]

65. It seems the media does not want the primary to end so soon.

Good ratings for them apparently.

[avrdream]

66. Oh, you mean he finally refocused to someone besides Hillary.

I used to miss MSNBC when I moved down here to Australia. From the sounds of it, I'm not missing much. Even Fox isn't THAT bad (although Dick Morris was particularly ugly the other day - he is a creep who is OBSESSED with all things Clinton).

[SKKY]

67. Just trying to stir the pot up a bit, draw more viewers...

I firmly believe the MSM is trying to play this out as long as possible. How much money are they making off of this race?

[bridgit]

69. So now we can't call 'a spade a spade'...

Groovy, one less thing to worry about :thumbsup: