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ecstatic Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-06-08 02:00 PM
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Excuse me, but where was HRC's "concern" for Florida voters in 2000?
Edited on Thu Mar-06-08 02:13 PM by Truth Hurts A Lot
This happened during the final chapter of her co-Presidency with Bill. Both of them remained silent as Florida voters were robbed under Bill's watch.

...after Mr. Gore won the popular vote but Mr. Bush prevailed after six weeks of struggle over Florida, black members of the House stood up to protest the results pleading for a senator to join their objections, but none did.

Mrs. Boxer said that in retrospect "it was a mistake not to object four years ago."


http://www.nytimes.com/2005/01/07/politics/07elect.html
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Kurt_and_Hunter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-06-08 02:02 PM
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1. Question. Do you know she was in the Senate?
Edited on Thu Mar-06-08 02:04 PM by Kurt_and_Hunter
She was elected in 2000. Was she even sworn in yet?

I would have thought the body ruling on the electors was the old senate, not the incoming senate.
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democrattotheend Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-06-08 05:49 PM
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51. Yes. Certification of the election took place at the beginning of 2001
Edited on Thu Mar-06-08 05:50 PM by democrattotheend
She had just been sworn in.

It was definitely the new Senate, but with the outgoing VP...I remember there being speculation that if it went to the House and Senate, Bush would get the presidency because the House picks the president, but if everyone voted along party lines in the Senate, Gore could have ended up casting the tying vote for Lieberman to be VP. Remember, this was back when Lieberman was at least sort of a Democrat.
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Fresh_Start Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-06-08 02:03 PM
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2. She wasn't a Senator in 2000.
She became one in 2001.
Ask Kerry or Kennedy.
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Kurt_and_Hunter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-06-08 02:05 PM
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3. where was the OP's "concern" for the truth in 2008?
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Fresh_Start Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-06-08 02:07 PM
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5. just flamebaiting and showing his ignorance
Edited on Thu Mar-06-08 02:07 PM by NYCALIZ
to all of us
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ecstatic Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-06-08 02:08 PM
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6. Neither of the Clintons spoke up about the Bush theft of FL
And I'm almost positive she wouldn't have stood with the CBC either.
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Fresh_Start Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-06-08 02:10 PM
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10. Gore told President Clinton to keep his distance
or don't you recall that?
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ecstatic Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-06-08 02:37 PM
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27. So when a crime is taking place, as long as someone tells you
to keep your distance, then it's OK to not do anything?
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Fresh_Start Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-06-08 02:14 PM
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15. President Clinton quote 11/27/2000
"It is easy to lose what is really important, which is the integrity of the voter -- every single vote," he said. "Every single person who voted had a vote that counted just as much as mine, and so they have to sort that out in Florida."
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HiFructosePronSyrup Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-06-08 02:10 PM
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11. Wasn't 2000 less then 35 years ago?
I'm not sure, a lot of people have been using odd sorts of math recently.
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Fresh_Start Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-06-08 02:15 PM
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16. look at OP Quote
Edited on Thu Mar-06-08 02:16 PM by NYCALIZ
"black members of the House stood up to protest the results pleading for a senator to join their objections, but none did"

operative phrase is pleading for a senator, Clinton wasn't
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City Lights Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-06-08 03:02 PM
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36. Your argument is that because she'd been elected but not sworn in she
was obligated to sit quietly on the sidelines?
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Fresh_Start Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-06-08 04:02 PM
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44. no
my argument is that the OP quoted that the representatives asked for a Senator to support the proposal in order to move it forward and she was not a Senator so she could not get the issue on the docket for the Senate
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City Lights Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-06-08 04:19 PM
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47. Ah...I see. Thanks. eom
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democrattotheend Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-06-08 05:49 PM
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50. She was by the time Congress certified the results
That happened at the very beginning of her first term.
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MyNameGoesHere Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-06-08 02:07 PM
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4. Ironic your screen name is Truth Hurts a lot. Bwaaahahaha. n/t
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Diane R Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-06-08 02:09 PM
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7. The Clintons threw Gore under the bus in 2000, like they threw Kerry in '04. To position Hillary 08
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niyad Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-06-08 02:09 PM
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8. do try, please, to pretend that you actually understand things like elections--
hillary was elected in 2000--sworn in in january, 2001.
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ecstatic Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-06-08 02:11 PM
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12. She was still co-President in 2000 nt
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niyad Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-06-08 02:35 PM
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25. we don't HAVE co=presidents-- try to understand that some of us here
actually know how our government works. you might want to take a look at your civics 101 book.

in case you haven't yet understood from various replies, it was the members of the SENATE who had the authority to act.

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ecstatic Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-06-08 02:40 PM
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31. Ok. I'll keep that in mind the next time HRC brags about her
experience in the White House.
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SIMPLYB1980 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-06-08 03:16 PM
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39. Rush is that you?

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TheZug Donating Member (886 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-06-08 02:10 PM
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9. She was "fighting" for them, she swears.
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thoughtcrime1984 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-06-08 02:12 PM
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13. The Clintons are very concerned
when the Clintons stand to gain.
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redqueen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-06-08 02:12 PM
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14. Gore HIMSELF was in the Senate, and wouldn't step up to back up House Dems.
Sorry, but that dog won't hunt.
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anigbrowl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-06-08 04:37 PM
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48. He couldn't; as Senate president he can only break ties.
He was chairing the session, he couldn't participate in it from the floor at the same time.
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Birthmark Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-06-08 02:16 PM
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17. Don't know.
What I DO know is that we're being disenfranchised now. Hillary, for whatever reason, happens to be on the right side of this thing, though.
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SoCalDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-06-08 02:17 PM
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18. She and Gore were never compadres. She probably did not mind all that much . n/t
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InAbLuEsTaTe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-06-08 02:19 PM
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19. Good question!!
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jillan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-06-08 02:19 PM
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20. Since Hillary wasn't in the Senate at the time, shouldn't we be asking the same question of Obama?
Yeah - that's how ridiculous your argument is.
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mmonk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-06-08 02:23 PM
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21. No she wasn't. She was still first lady. Must have been working on foreign policy.
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jillan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-06-08 02:29 PM
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23. Working on foreign policy - like Obama was????
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mmonk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-06-08 02:31 PM
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24. She's the one touting experience noting being the first lady.
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jillan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-06-08 02:40 PM
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30. And he is touting experience noting being a community organizer.
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chill_wind Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-06-08 02:23 PM
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22. Hillary loves to tout her long record of experience and "leadership."
And she would certainly have us believe it began long before she became a Senator of a few years.

She was certainly, at the least, a very public world figure who could have used her voice of "concern" on the matter, if not then, in the many years since.

Hillary supporters of her so-called life-long leadership want to have it both ways.

The OP asks a completely legitimate question.
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niyad Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-06-08 02:37 PM
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26. no, the OP is not asking a legit question--hillary was NOT in the senate, and it was
the SENATE that had the authority to take this issue on.

civics 101, anybody?
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mmonk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-06-08 02:39 PM
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28. Yes, that precludes her from showing any concern.
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ecstatic Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-06-08 02:39 PM
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29. She had a duty to speak out, and she could have, if she chose to
It just wasn't convenient. Once again, politics trumped morals.
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niyad Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-06-08 02:47 PM
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34. you are ignoring, and hoping we will overlook, the fact that your OP had to do with the SENATE
not acting on the FL 2000 situation. several of us have pointed out to you that she was not IN the senate when that came up, so now you are trying to tap dance around the issue.

get a grip, and realize that some of us can actually follow the discussion.
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ecstatic Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-06-08 03:03 PM
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37. I learned from the best-- HRC supporters on DU!!
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niyad Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-06-08 03:11 PM
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38. nice try--but your ignorance is your ignorance, not the responsibility of
anybody here.

are you sure you are on the correct board?

remd I-95
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mmonk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-06-08 02:49 PM
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35. Not a duty.
She probably felt it wasn't her concern and Gore didn't ask for help.
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chill_wind Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-06-08 05:31 PM
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49. You can parse the word "concern" -- all day long if all you want.
Edited on Thu Mar-06-08 05:40 PM by chill_wind
Plenty of Americans with moral conscience and integrity didn't need Senate authority or *permission* to speak out on this unforgivible political treachery and wrong.

The point-- THE REAL POINT-- the OP is making is that she is certainly expressing her concern for the integrity of the vote- for THESE Florida voters, ISN'T SHE--- but only as it only happens to benefit HER.......right now.

CAMPAIGN POLITICS 101, anyone?
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democrattotheend Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-06-08 05:51 PM
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52. She was in the Senate
She had just been sworn in. The certification of the vote took place with the new Congress and the outgoing Administration, since the new Congress begins 2 weeks before inauguration day.
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nonconformist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-06-08 02:41 PM
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32. So, because someone might not have fought hard enough then means
they shouldn't fight for all the votes to be counted now?

That's a crock of shit.

Didn't we used to WANT Democrats who would fight against voter disenfranchisement?

We ALL wanted them to fight hard in 2000, and they didn't. So because of that, you think they should all roll over for all of eternity? Is it possible they learned their lesson?
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xultar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-06-08 02:42 PM
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33. Didn't Gore ask them notto step into his business...?
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La Lioness Priyanka Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-06-08 03:21 PM
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42. yup he wanted to distance himself from clinton.
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itcfish Donating Member (805 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-06-08 03:18 PM
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40. Did I Miss Something?
Was Hillary runing for President in 2000? Was she a senator? Give me a break this Hillary hating is getting out of hand.
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La Lioness Priyanka Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-07-08 08:56 AM
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57. not to mention, gore wanted to distance himself from the clintons.
:shrug:
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La Lioness Priyanka Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-06-08 03:18 PM
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41. that was a gore issue. just cos we love him now, doesnt make this someone else's problem
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tandem5 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-06-08 03:38 PM
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43. Where's Donna Brazile's concern now? She was key in deciding to deny all the delegates instead of...
the default half and she was Gore's campaign manager! Talk about irony!
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HughMoran Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-06-08 04:03 PM
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45. Irrelevant pointless post
This seems to the the trend with you - off to the iggy pile you go...
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WCGreen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-06-08 04:09 PM
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46. I agree....
She should have stood up against Bush...

But then again, if Gore would have won, it would have put her planned 2004 campaign on hold...

How's that working now Hillary...
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La Lioness Priyanka Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-06-08 06:03 PM
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53. thats bullshit, gore didnt want help from the clintons. he picker lieberman
who hated bill
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WCGreen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-06-08 07:28 PM
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55. It wasn't Bill that could have campaigned....
It was Hillary...
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La Lioness Priyanka Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-06-08 10:25 PM
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56. he wanted to distance himself from the clintons. would you campaign for someone who was shunning
your wife/husband?
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NC_Nurse Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-06-08 06:08 PM
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54. Same place her concern was this year, until she needed the delegates.
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