Hillary sandbags Obama at least 3 more times on video here!

[Bigleaf]

http://www.americablog.com/2008/03/hillary-again-says-three-more-times.html

[Midlodemocrat]

1. GET HER!!!!!!

:eyes:

[rodeodance]

2. what utter nonsense!!

[DUyellow]

3. tsk tsk tsk

[tabatha]

4. If she carries on like this, she will lose more SDs.

[Cant trust em]

5. "lifetime of experience"

it keeps getting bigger and bigger. First it's 35 years of experience. Now it's a lifetime. "I was fighting for change when I was 3 months old and I'll fight for change today"

She talks like Obama just strolled in off of the turnip truck. Please Hillary, stop making me hate you.

[Seabiscuit]

13. Dayam! Here I thought "Obama just strolled off of the turnip truck". How could I

have gotten that so wrong?

Are you really sure he didn't?

[Cant trust em]

16. What are you talking about? nt

[Seabiscuit]

17. I was quoting your words. And adding a little sacrasm. Get it now?

[Cant trust em]

21. I got it. I just wondered if you had a point.

Or if it was just the usual mindless blather. I guess you answered that question for me.

[thoughtcrime1984]

20. Was she fightning for change on the Board of Wal-Mart?

The Union bashing Wal-Mart?

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[Bad Thoughts]

7. F*ck *ff

You know what: for some of us in 2002-3, all we had to oppose the war were our words and our speeches. The only people who listened to us were other people who used their words and made speeches. We marched. We wrote. We spoke at open forums. Everyone in power shut us out.

[DURHAM D]

8. My goodnes - you get so upset over nothing.

This is smash mouth politics. If you can't handle it don't watch it.

[walldude]

11. No it isn't. I can handle "smash mouth" politics

But the arrogance that allows her to throw the whole party under the bus if she doesn't get nominated reminds me of another's political arrogance. You know, the kind that says, "if I don't get my way I'll veto.." Or "I'm taking my ball and going home".

[DURHAM D]

26. Bull.

Obama threw half the party (and party workers) under the bus when he started his generational war and told the early and pre boomers to get over themselves, turn the page, stop fighting the 60s issues - issues like civil and human rights. He showed himself to be an ignorant ingrate. Next he threw gays and women under the bus - also known as Democratic party members.

The party split has already happened - Obama supporters just haven't noticed.

[krkaufman]

30. Or.... "You're either with us... or against us." n/t

[anonymous171]

9. Sometimes I don't know who Obama is running against, Hillary or McCain.

[Rageneau]

10. That's good, Hillary! That's how to campaign! Give us more!

Despite how some overly paranoid, overly sensitive Obama supporters whine, nowhere in these three clips does Hillary attack Obama in any way. All she does is cite the very SAME thing Obama constantly cites: his 2002 speech about Iraq.

Virtually Obama's entire campaign is founded on that one speech. He himself has referred to it again and again and again on the campaign trail. "If you want to see the difference between Hillary and me," he constantly says, "listen to what I said back in 2002, when she was voting for the war."

All Hillary is doing here is saying, "Okay, go ahead -- take a look at that 2002 speech. Then consider if there is anything ELSE Obama has done in his entire political life BESIDES that one speech that qualifies him to be president."

IOW, she's effectively saying, "Okay Barack, I'll give you that one speech. Now, what else have you got?"

This is powerful, clever, cagey, flexible political maneuvering -- campaigning qualities that Bill Clinton has, and qualities that I want very much in my next president. Far from criticizing her for this, I applaud her for it! Go Hillary!

[anonymous171]

12. Is there anything else besides being first lady that qualifies her to be pres?

The answer is no.

[Seabiscuit]

14. Eggsactly. This thread can be summed up in one picture:

[Cant trust em]

15. "nowhere in these three clips does Hillary attack Obama in any way"

If you really think that, you must be crazy. When you say that you have a "lifetime of experience" and all your opponent has is a speech. That is an attack. Like he just materialized from a cloud.

[galadrium]

18. I'm ashamed she calls herself a democrat

At least she stick to her talking points well.

[superkia]

27. I am ashamed of the American people that accept what she is...

doing and are voting for her.

[thoughtcrime1984]

19. Deplorable

She needs to be "coaxed" out of the race. She is out of bounds.

[applegrove]

22. She is just comparing her record to McLame's. What else is she supposed to do

during the start of a GE?

[Cant trust em]

23. I'd prefer for her to compliment McCain and denigrate Obama in seperate quotes

Her campaign's central theme has been her great experience. McCain apparently also shares that virtue. Obama doesn't have it. Connecting those two premises so closely together makes it sound like she is saying that McCain is more qualified than Obama. If she didn't want that to be the case then she should have changed the phrasing for the different interviews that she used this talking point.

[applegrove]

24. Perhaps. But she is contrasting herself with Obama which is what she should

be doing.

[Cant trust em]

25. I don't begrudge her for that

Part of campaigning is addressing your opponents weaknesses. Here is the problem as I see it.

A(Clinton) > B(Obama). A=C(McCain). ergo C>B.

That little equation is based entirely on the clip as it has been shown several times. Through effective communication she could stop me from making this talking point against her.

[applegrove]

28. But McSame is the one Obama will be running agaist. So he should

be involved in the equation. Perhaps: H experience >O experience, H right experience > Mc wrong experience.

[Cant trust em]

29. If she wants to start talking about wrong experience, that plays into Obama's hands

The whole argument over the right kind of experience is his entire criticism of Clinton. She has plenty of experience but bad judgment. That's essentially what you're saying Clinton should say about McCain. It affirms the quality of Obama's logic against her.

[applegrove]

31. You have a point there. I don't know what I'd do. Not alot of wiggle room for

Hillary and that is the problem for her.

[Cant trust em]

32. what she does is not bring this up.

She can't compete on the experience basis with McCain. She needs to find a different talking point. Comparing experience only works when dealing with Obama. As soon as McCain enters the equation, she's done.