Would You Give Up a Dinner and A Movie Monthly to Change Your Country?

[flpoljunkie]

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[Ardee]

1. dinner and a movie huh.....

First you would have to explain to me how electing John Kerry will alter the face of american politics......answer, it just wont.

[Dr Fate]

2. Compare the 80's to the 90's and then the 90's to now...

...and then tell me there is no difference.

[Ardee]

5. In what respect?

America was an imperialistic nation run by large corporate power then as it is now. The government was run then by those same corporate powers that run it now. The politicians were beholden then as they are today to the large donors who then influenced legislation.

The sixities and seventies had Viet Nam, the next decades brought us Gulf Storm etc. and now we have Afghanistan and Iraq where we will be enmired in an increasingly bloody guerilla war for decades.

Jobs have been offshoring throughout all those same years you cited, and unions have been declining in both membership and power with the legislators all along as well.

I am very sorry to say it but the two party system is a sham and a farce and electing a democrat to the WH will be no miracle cure at all.

[Desertrose]

8. I wish he would, but I agree with you Ardee

"I am very sorry to say it but the two party system is a sham and a farce and electing a democrat to the WH will be no miracle cure at all."


I can see no real change offered by Kerry......well, it'd be a D instead of an R....other'n that..... :shrug:

Peace
DR

[LastLiberal in PalmSprings]

3. That's not what the first post says

Change Your Country -- this means turning us away from becoming a fascist state (a corporate fascist theocracy, to be specific), which is the direction * is taking us.

You said "alter the face of american politics". That's not what Kerry's saying. In fact, I'm not sure what that means; it looks like a red herring to me.

BTW, American is capitalized.

[Ardee]

6. herring are rather silvery and swim in water.....

Im sorry that you seem to treat opposing views with such scorn and suspicion.But ,after all, that is your problem not mine.The question asked was how will electing John Kerry change the course of American politics(happy now). Care to answer?

[thiland67]

4. How does he plan to change it

All I have heard is "send mister bush back to crawford". Any details of how it would change?

[Larkspur]

7. I don't go to movies that much

and don't eat out much, so I can afford to give Kerry $0.

[R3dD0g]

9. You assume that we all go out more than once a month.

I don't.

The last movie we went to was LotR Return of the King, last December. Our 'dinner' was a couple dogs and popcorn at the concession stand.

[OKNancy]

10. Sorry you have had such a nasty response

to your post...and it is a good thought. I donate $25.00 per month.
I'm on a diet, so I'm saving a lot more than that on the junk I used to eat.

And John Kerry will protect pro-choice, appoint people to the Supreme Court who are not idiots or right-wing nuts, he'll work with other countries because he is a smart man, his wife will bring culture back to the White House, he'll appoint an Attorney General who has read the Constitution and doesn't believe Crisco is good for the soul, and on and on.

[Paradise]

11. I second your reply! :) n/t

[Ardee]

12. Perhaps he will Nancy, perhaps he will

Kerry may indeed go against his own beliefs and retain Roe V Wade, in fact Ill bet he would. But the real and terrible effect that a Kerry victory would bring is that the 60% or so who never vote will return to their slumbers thinking all is well....It aint.

The one true hope for this nation lies in awakening the slumberers, reenergising the disenfranchised and those who have ostracised themselves from the process. I have a very great faith in my fellow Americans, but they are ,sadly, fat and lazy or disgusted and uninvolved. Should something, or more accurately, a series of somethings reenergise them I believe that they will do the absolute right thing!

[rockymountaindem]

13. Ok, what's your plan for doing that?

[Ardee]

14. Excuse me?

Where in my post did I say that I had a plan for energising the disenfranchised, for awakening the slumbering?

What I did say, and Ill try to go slower here so you can follow, is that I, and I alone, am disgusted and sickened by the state of this nation, and fully understand that the Democrats are equally to blame.

The complicities of your party with the Bush agendas, the votes for such heinous schemes as the Patriot Act, the invasion of Iraq, the No Child Left Behind bill etc.,etc.,etc.all show plainly that Democrats are pandering to the same wealthy corporate donors as are the GOP.

The refusal of the Democratic Party to act like an opposition party cost them the mid term elections yet they blindly blunder on, or are they so fixated on that war chest that they do not see you or I? The time to opt for the lesser of two evils has passed, in my opinion, electing a Kerry only serves to make more palatable the poison pill of special interest rule in this nation.

My reference to awakening the slumbering electorate depends upon Bush continuing to alienate the world, continuing to be AlQaeda's best recruiting tool, continuing to facilitate the migration of the wealth of this nation to the wealthiest few at a great cost to the majority of us all. It is a message that most will refuse to accept I understand fully, nevertheless it seems the only path to rescue us from a system gone rotten.

[JNelson6563]

15. Do you intend to act?

Where in my post did I say that I had a plan for energising the disenfranchised, for awakening the slumbering?

Nowhere.

I didn't see one word from you about what you plan to do to make things better. To see you go slower here so you can follow is amusing because it is quite plain to see your part in this. Nothing.

You, like so many countless others, seem to feel just being aware of what is wrong and pointing it out is all you need to do.

Well I'm here to tell ya that some of us are here in the trenches friend. We're getting our hands dirty with the lowly grunt work of going in among the unwashed masses and organizing. We may not have much choice (this time!) about who the Dem Pres. candidate is but there is so much more to focus on besides that.

For instance Governor Dean did a tremdous job of getting a lot of people interested in working for change. Now that he's out of the race it is the wise local party that works to recruit them and get those newly awakened folks involved. They are the ones who will successfully help to wake up others. There are LTTE to be written, fundraisers to hold and local and federal House and Senate races to be won for progressive minded people who do not much like the spineless approach to politics national party leaders have taken.

I am sick to death of people who point out what needs to be done and have nothing but criticism but never step forward to help. You may not have a plan but I do and so do lots of others. You can join us or continue on the counter-productive path of much talk (all negative) and no action. All I ask is that if we manage to achieve the revolution in your lifetime, don't complain if it was not done to your liking.

Julie

[Ardee]

16. Be very careful, Julie

Patting yourself on the back may cause strain or worse.

You claim to be in the trenches, where would those trenches be? You claim to be organising, for whom are you organising the "unwashed masses", the democrats? PLEASE!

Governor Dean did a tremendous job in hiding the fact that he was a republican leaning governor, that he got along far better with the GOP in his legislature than he did with his fellow Democrats with whom he feuded constantly. Dean did a great job in hiding his record as Governor, hiding his cuts in senior safety nets, in education funds, in weakening environmental protections in favor of his corporate buddies.Frankly, my opinion of Howard Dean is of a self serving climber who, with the death of Paul Wellstone sought, dishonestly, to usurp that mantle. I respect the ability of the voters to see through his charade.

Just what the heck are you accomplishing in deluding people to have faith in a party, whether on the local,state or federal level when that party has supported Bush at every damn turn for the last three years? You may be allergic to good old fashioned criticisms of your party, you may post a smarmy and self serving diatribe because I dont offer a step by step plan for the next decade of American politics, well too bad .

The first step in healing is diagnosis, and my posts are exactly that , a diagnosis of the causes of our ailments and a suggestion that focussing ones hopes on a party that has betrayed every progressive within it is a poor prognosis for recovery. The real solution to the ailment that is our sick political system is colored Green.

[vision]

17. If I could afford to go out to a movie and dinner

I might consider it. Besides fast food once or twice a month I can not afford to eat out and the only movies I can go to are far and few between. The last movie I saw at the theater was The Return of the King.