Obama the savior lost, let the slime begin ...

[sanjiadem]

just reading through only a handful of threads leads me to believe these folks are so entrenched in their belief that Obama is some sort of God and Clinton is, of course, Satan that nothing will stop the party from imploding - at this point. Good luck with that, as I'm gonna focus on my np activities until the next election. Unless Gore or Edwards jumps in.

[tridim]

1. President Obama is going to strike down the flame-baiters first.

[The Doctor.]

39. "And Saint Obama raised the hand-grenade up on high saying;

Oh Lord, bless this thy hand-grenade that with it thou mayest blow thine enemies into tiny bits. In thy mercy.
And the Lord did grin. And the people did feast upon the lambs and the sloths
And the carp and anchovies and orangutans and breakfast cereals and fruitbats and livestock...
And the Lord spake saying; 'First shalt thou take out the holy pin"...

Armaments Ch 2 verses 9-14.

[jgraz]

2. He's no savior, but he's also not a gutter politician

My fear is that Hillary's scorched-earth campaign will leave both of them so damaged that no one is left to take on McCain in the fall.

[anamandujano]

4. He looks up to the gutter. His South Carolina campaign was disgusting.

[jgraz]

7. Yeah, he was just like Jesse Jackson

:eyes:

[TheDonkey]

9. get over yourself. Hillary is a disgrace and an embarassment

if she isn't politicking for John McCain that is.

[VolcanoJen]

She didn't hesitate to congratulate McCain tonight.

I'm sure that will go largely unnoticed by the "I don't get the delegate math" crowd.

[TheDonkey]

23. Is she positioning for a cabinet position in McCain's admin?

Her campaign has been extremely bizarre. Has she said a negative thing about McCain? We all know her position on Obama.

[nonconformist]

28. She's said plenty negative about McCain

She even said during a debate that the differences between her and Obama pale in comparisons to the differences between them and McCain.

[nonconformist]

Obama called McCain to congratulate him, too. nt

[VolcanoJen]

27. Classy. But why is Hillary so afraid to say Obama's name in her speeches?

I really do think it's a fair question, just on the "gracious" tip.

[Corkey Mineola]

11. anti-gay pandering

which, to his credit, he has rectified in recent weeks.
But he lost a lot of us in those days...

[jgraz]

13. You mean like when Hillary said the immorality of homosexuals is "for others to conclude"?

:shrug:

[TankLV]

16. Yep - that's what did it for ME!

and his proven LYING!!!

[Window]

21. Nothing was proven regarding Obama lying.

So you need to stop LYING!!!

[bhikkhu]

29. lying about lying is a nefarious lie! n/t

[NMMNG]

37. If you can call what he did "rectifying"

I call it "hoping lame advertisements and a crappy letter will make up for throwing them under the bus". But that's just me. :shrug:

[Window]

25. Hillary's SC campaign was disgusting. She and Bill started that crap.

[Tellurian]

12. What an inept analysis... Hillary ROSE as a Champion does when challenged!

Hillary ROCKS!

While Obama tails spins into oblivion..

[jgraz]

14. Shouldn't you be massaging Taylor Marsh's bunions?

[Tellurian]

20. Now we know WHO can get the job done when they say, "YES, WE CAN!"

And it AIN'T Obambi!

some good stuff here to improve your future outlook! :)

http://www.taylormarsh.com/

[murielm99]

15. LOL!

He is a Chicago politician through and through. He learned from the machine. His whole campaign is just Chicago politics gone wild.

[jgraz]

22. Then why isn't Obama using the same tried and true Rethug tactics that Hillary is

Why haven't we heard the name Norman Hsu from him, or Marc Rich? Why aren't we being bombarded with insinuations about Bill's continuing affairs and fears about handing the keys to the White House back to the rolling soap opera that is the Clinton marriage?

Questions about Hillary's tax returns could be fanned into to full-blown apprehension. Accusations about hiding her records as First Lady could lead to a rehash of TravelGate and other Clinton scandals. Hell, Obama could start saying he "takes Hillary at her word" that she didn't kill Vince Foster, or that Hillary is not a lesbian, "as far as he knows".


If Obama really is the Chicago politician you think he is, why hasn't he used these tactics against Hillary?

[murielm99]

31. Because as a true Chicago politician, he does not

get his own hands dirty. He allows his surrogates to do it for him.

He allows them to play the race card, and he waits as long as possible to tell them to stop it.

He allows them to cheat at caucuses. Of course he is not present when it happens, so his hands appear to be clean. http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=132&topic_id=4883640

This sort of cheating has been going on all over the country.

He has friends like Rezko, but he keeps them under wraps and denies, denies, denies.

Do you think Chicago style politics are about mud-slinging? Are you that naive? He doesn't have to do anything but behave in his typical passive-aggressive style and let underlings and associates do all the work for him. Oh yes...the anti-Clinton MSM will do the anything for him that his people forget. They will bring up all the garbage you mentioned above. All he has to do is make a few snide remarks about how Clinton is "likable enough."

[jgraz]

32. Which surrogate has sunk to Hillary's level?

Can you name one example where any member of his campaign staff has taken advantage of one of the many eminently exploitable scandals lurking in the Clintons' past and present?

[murielm99]

35. Yes. You.

You and others all over the Internet are doing it for him.

His campaign staff? They don't have to do anything openly. They can start whispering campaigns. That way, they can deny anything. I much prefer Clinton's method of openly confronting him about Rezko during the debate.

[jgraz]

36. You really need to learn the difference between a surrogate and a supporter

Go ahead, look it up. We'll wait.


Oh, and please feel free to point to ANY of my posts where I mention a single Clinton scandal.

Again, we'll wait. (hint: you won't find any)

[murielm99]

38. Did you forget about post #22?

That really is funny.

Go back and read it. We'll wait.

And how do I know who you are? How do I know who any of the Obama supporters are in real life? This board is filled with new members, and people who only come out of the woodwork to start fights during the primaries. You could be a member of Obama's staff for all anyone knows. The same is true of some of the other vocal Obama supporters who have changed the entire tone of DU.

Surrogate? Supporter? Who cares? Both are operatives for the Obama campaign. And I consider any of the vocal, argumentative Internet supporters of Obama surrogates.

You still know nothing about Chicago politics. Do you think Mayor Daley gets his own hands dirty?

I have been very low-key on DU about my support of Clinton until this evening. But after her wins today, I think some of the Obama supporters could have shown a little bit of restraint. Very few of them have.

[jgraz]

40. Wow, I guess Hillary really DOES do well in the uneducated demographic

The number of clues you need to be given exceeds my ability at this late hour, so I'll just point out a couple of things:

1. I joined DU a year after you did and I have almost triple your posts. Do you really think Obama was sending paid staffers to Democratic sites in 2004? And do you really think someone with my posting history, especially my activity in the atheist forums, would make it onto his staff?

2. Before I moved to Berkeley, I lived 10 years in my birthplace of Chicago, IL. So you bet your no doubt copious ass that I know how Chicago politics works. And in all the years I lived there, I never saw anything close to the pro-Republican scumbaggery that Hillary has been practicing.

And finally: I'm not even sure I should mention post 22, because you are obviously trying to cover the fact that you got burned by using a bullshit tactic. After all, anyone who actually thought that a 1-hour-old hypothetical example could suffice as an answer to my query would likely be too stupid to wipe their own ass, let alone use a computer.

[nomorewhopper]

3. let the slime begin? you're kidding right?

[jgraz]

10. It's not slime when Hillary does it

It's called "finding her voice".

[babylonsister]

5. Pipe down. Invest time on this site before you slime anyone. Got that?

And I don't care who you support, but :wtf: why are you criticizing?

[moobu2]

6. AT least we learned early on that he can not hold up under pressure

What would he do in the GE? this is nothing compared to what they'll do.

[MADem]

19. Actually, it would have been better if we'd learned this before Feb 5

He does get "testy" when things don't go his way, and it's only going to get worse with Rezko on trial. He actually THINKS that whole business is "asked and answered" but it isn't--not beyond Chicago, anyway. The reality is that the bulk of America has no idea--YET--who Antonin Rezko is, debate comments notwithstanding. If Obama ends up as the nominee, John McCain won't be shy about laying that shit out in sixty second national ads.

The fact that "someone" in Obama's campaign "lied" to him about that NAFTA contact with the Canadian Embassy didn't help him much, either. So much for the "change" routine--more like Politics as Usual. And if not "politics as usual" then "lousy staff oversight" or "liars on the Big O team who lied to the poor candidate." And no one has been fired--the most telling bit of all. Usually, you don't fire anyone when they're doing what you actually, secretly, nudge-nudge, wink-wink, want them to do.

http://www.nytimes.com/2008/03/04/us/politics/04nafta.html?em&ex=1204779600&en=bc1674b80a8eb1e3&ei=5087%0A

[boppers]

26. "asked and answered"

Is an old smear tactic to wave propaganda.

The general public has been catching on to a game of "asked and answering" every possible question about responding to political operatives asking questions "Do you still beat your wife."

It's kind of cute, and quaint, like much of the 20th century.


edit: no square brackets here to denote word replacement

[RummyTheDummy]

8. Please keep starting threads

Here at DU, you can make as many as you want in a 24 hr period. More!!!!

[casus belli]

17. You think too much. n/t

[fishwax]

18. gee, welcome to DU. What a classy post.

:eyes:

[Window]

24. The only people that call Obama a savior is some snarky ass Hillary supporter.

When people like you stop insulting Obama supporters, perhaps the sliming will subside.

No, we don't think he's a "God" or a "Savior," those are your words, and, ya know, it kind of pisses people off.

[Medusa]

30. Hillary "Kitchen Sink" Clinton knows all about slime

now doesn't she?

[anigbrowl]

33. Well, glad you're so out about being a slime-thrower

Freeperville is that way >>>>>>>>>

[Gore1FL]

34. He lost primaries

But didn't lose tonight. She didn;lt close the gap necesaray to mathamaticaly have a realistic chance. 100% of PA delegates just is not realistic.