Camp Clinton Full Frontal Assault on MI/FL Delegations

[x-g.o.p.er]

McAuliffe was just on MSNBC and was politicking HARD for new primaries in Michigan and Florida.

The drumbeat is going to get louder and louder until it happens, and after tonight, with wind in her sails, super delegates will not defect.

This things going all the way to Denver.

[Medusa]

1. And his insistence on new primaries in those states could well

be her undoing--finally.

[MonkeyFunk]

2. Yeah

how DARE she want democrats to vote, and have their votes count?

[x-g.o.p.er]

5. They have voted

And they were counted, as I remember.

[curvy rider]

43. I think Al Gore should serve as mediator to find a solution

So that the parties end up being happy with whatever decision is undertaken.
The Hillary and Obama camps will likely not reach an agreement by themselves, without the aide of a referee.

[Lerkfish]

6. that's not the issue, and you full well know it.

I wish clinton supporters would refrain from this blatantly transparent framing of the Mich-Fla. delegates.
It fools no one.

[tekisui]

9. You know that MI is not fair as it is now.

I could take FL, if people agreed to it. But no way on MI.

[x-g.o.p.er]

11. Just curious, but why one and not the other?

[OhioBlue]

14. Clinton was the only candidate on the ballot in MI n/t

[MichiganVote]

17. No she wasn't. But from what I've read your fav wasn't. But of course you're impartial I'm sure.

[OhioBlue]

22. Who else was on the ballot?

I know Edwards and Obama were not - and weren't they the only two credible candidates left in the race?

Honest Question.

[MichiganVote]

26. Oh you're too funny...credible huh...Kucinich and Dodd were on along with Clinton

But of course you knew that....

[OhioBlue]

31. No - I didn't

I thought Kucinich - who isn't a credible candidate. Didn't know about Dodd - but he wasn't going to make a difference at that point - hell hadn't he already dropped out?

[MichiganVote]

33. If the state puts them on the ballot they are credible kiddo. And no Dodd had not dropped out

before the primary vote. Hence his name was on the ballot. Biden too actually, and he too had dropped.

But really, Obama supporters don't consider Clinton a "credible" candidate on or off a ballot so what's the difference.

[OhioBlue]

36. wtf is that post about?!?!

First of all - kiddo???

And no - your definition of credible isn't everyone's. Dodd & Kucinich didn't have a chance by the time we got to MI - so don't even try to pretend. That is ridiculous and you know it.

And huh? - I never said Clinton wasn't credible. She ran a bad campaign and fell apart in the last two weeks - went too negative and is hurting the party.

Hell No MI doesn't count. They knew the rules - they didn't play by them and they knew the consequences. It was their decision.

[MichiganVote]

38. Well didn't take long to pop that pimple on your...well whatever...

[OhioBlue]

40. well that was a meaningful post. n/t

[MonkeyFunk]

24. Why do people keep spreading that lie?

There were four candidates on the ballot. The ones who weren't on there CHOSE to remove their names. Nobody made them do it.

[OhioBlue]

27. Who else was on the ballot?

[Zhade]

30. They chose to remove them just as MI (and FL) knew their delegates wouldn't be seated.

Can't have it both ways - that's called a double standard.

[MichiganVote]

34. No, they chose to remove them so as not to offend voters in Iowa and NH.

Plus its a weaker position to be placed on the ballot as a write in. So this way any votes that did not go the way of Kucinich or Dodd were assigned uncommitted.

[stahbrett]

37. Hillary is on record saying that the Michigan primary was meaningless (nt)

[MichiganVote]

39. Naturally the Michigan voters magically feel the same way of course...

[stahbrett]

41. Which Michigan voters...

The ones that voted in the Republican contest for Romney, as many Democrats were pushing for?

The ones that decided to stay home?

[MichiganVote]

42. Oh I would say we'll all learn something come November....

[shaniqua6392]

44. Thank you for pointing that out MonkeyFunk!!!

Christ almighty. I am so sick of that crap. They chose to remove their names because they did not want to insult Iowa and New Hampshire. However, if someone wanted to vote for either Edwards or Obama, they were to vote uncommitted. So give Obama all of the uncommitted votes and let Clinton have hers. We all were told that they would probably seat the delegates in the end. That is why millions of us in Michigan and Florida got out there and voted. Turnout was high in both states for a reason and we want our votes to count.

[tekisui]

I am against either being seated as is.

But, if push came to shove, I could accept FL, everyone was on the ballot, no one campaigned there. MI had only Hillary(of the front-runners) on the ballot. It was completely unfair.

I hope that Dean sticks to it. He said, no changing rules mid-game. Besides, Hillary would only net about 100 delegates against Obama. Not enough to win, and the effort would hurt her terribly.

[x-g.o.p.er]

20. Oh, okay, makes sense

And I agree about Dean sticking to his guns. I think if there's a big stink, though, he'll cave.

[MichiganVote]

32. And so it must be a relief to know that Edwards and Obama politely removed themselves from

the ballot in Michigan. They didn't have to and no penalties would have ensued. So just why did these candidates remove themselves from the Michigan ballot? Well let's see, Michigan agreed to to follow the primary rules so long as the rest of the states did too. And then NH moved up so that was the end of the agreement on that. But who cares when the fairytale of poor Edwards and poor Obama is so much more enthralling.

[Zhade]

25. They agreed to the rules. Trying to change them now is CHEATING.

NT!

[MichiganVote]

35. Michigan agreed to the primary rules so long as nothing was changed. Then NH moved up

and that changed everything. But of course its only Michigan and Florida being taken to the woodshed.

[woolldog]

3. If they hold another vote

Those states should go to the end of the line.

[flyarm]

18. big state..alot of dem voters..you want to piss them off more?????? eom

[TheWraith]

4. Wind in her sails? Turning a 20 point lead into a razor thin victory, if that, is good?

By that logic, Rudy Giuliani had a brilliant strategy.

[x-g.o.p.er]

10. HRC and the press will hail it as a great comeback

And no one will remember the 20 point leads.

[HeraldSquare212]

15. I don't think so - the press is pretty well focused on the delegate counts.

[dansolo]

7. That tells me that today isn't going well for them

If they were expecting to win OH and TX, they wouldn't need to bring up MI and FL now.

[x-g.o.p.er]

13. I think the opposite is happening

That they are winning both, and can use the momentum to completely re-shape the race, with FL and MI central to the comeback and eventual nomination.

[kerry-is-my-prez]

8. It's not just Clinton people - most of the Dem leaders are behind it.

Also our Governor - Crist - who is really a Democrat despite having an "R" next to his name.

[flyarm]

21. ahh the dem leaders are for it if the state pays for it..not if the dem party has to pay. eom

[HeraldSquare212]

28. The Reps just want this to go on as long as possible.

they'd be happy to offer a new primary in, say, June or July.

[HeraldSquare212]

12. Florida would have voted today if they hadn't changed the dates.

they could have had an impact.

[tekisui]

19. A HUGE impact. They have more delegates than Texas!

[flyarm]

16. it would be very hard to have a new election..in my county we just had delegate election saturday

that would mean each and every county would have to have a new delegate election as well..and remember Edwards won 11 counties!

and i will tell you the Edwards delegates will raise a shit storm!



fly

[Unsane]

23. More like 'covertgoper;' A brokered convention = Nov loss for Dems

Anyone wanting this to "go to Denver" has their head up their ass.

[x-g.o.p.er]

29. Nowhere did I say I wanted it to go to Denver,

but if this pattern that seems to be developing plays out, it very well could.

Please read the original post before you start throwing crap around.