This board is not representative of much of America...especially women voters

[LulaMay]

so, we will see.

This race has not been conducted fairly from the start, with so much sexism and bias against Hillary from not only the media but some of our own party leaders who've all tried to say she will lose since New Hampshire.

At least the media got a little bit of it's due on SNL. They have behaved like baboons and given Obama a pass.

That isn't good for us, because he will have to face the music in a GE anyway.

But fair isn't fair here, or in the 'higher circles', who think they will say what's what, not the voters.

Even now, so many of you are saying it doesn't even matter if she wins today.

It is absurd.

[Oleladylib]

1. it all adds up to we'll lose once again..

[sueragingroz]

55. i have a friend

former republican... fed up with GWB and his anti-GBLT policies.. and now he's making plans to leave the country (because he knows that Obama will get the nod and then lose in the GE)

He told me that the democratic party has a "super power": losing elections.

[TheDoorbellRang]

2. Actually, I think there may be more women than men here

and more in the 45-55 age group than other groups, IIRC. There was a demographic study of DUers at one point last year; very interesting. Maybe some other DUer can remember how to access it.

[EFerrari]

59. Average DUer is a white middled aged suburban white woman.

And apparently, self hating at that!

lol

[NightWatcher]

3. you are gonna ride that empty charge of 'sexism' into the loss column

[roguevalley]

24. I'm sick of sexism charges.

[JoFerret]

34. ...and are you also sick of the sexism here on DU?

I have seen such misogynists posts and rants and pics it has been sickening. Not from most posters - but from a few. but those few are disgusting - and not all FReep trolls either.

[TheWraith]

56. Funny, because the people complaining about sexism seem to be the only ones who can see it.

Obviously, the sexists are invisible, and can only be seen by a handful of people. Pity that those people can never actually provide any evidence of this supposed systemic sexism.

[roguevalley]

65. I am sick of all the fucking yapping. this is not our finest hour.

[LulaMay]

54. I'm sick of sexism. Perhaps you should be too.

[TheWraith]

And maybe if you could provide any evidence besides charges, someone would agree with you. nt

[roguevalley]

64. don't lecture me. you have no damned idea of me or my life

[rodeodance]

4. yes, SNL---maked the media for kid glove approach to BO!!

[Kittycat]

Sexist comment. I'm a woman, and I proudly support Obama.

And after Hillary's endorsement of McCain, I hope she gets her ass handed to her. :hi:

[Arugula Latte]

16. Same here. I'm a caucasian woman hoping for ass-handing in wake of traitorous remark.

:hi:

[NDambi]

20. Whoo Hooo...I want him to hand her a mega defeat...Screw Hillary

[bellasgrams]

22. How can a simple truthful statement be twisted into a traitorous

remark. Just admit you're a Hillary hater. It doesn't matter. Vote your heart and pray for the best person to win.

[Arugula Latte]

32. I didn't consider myself a Hillary hater until this past week, and yesterday. in particular.

After she revealed her slimy nature, willingness to throw the party under the bus for her own ambition, and nasty, nasty campaign tricks, yes, I now loathe her.

[roguevalley]

27. when I graduated from high school, all a woman 'could do'

was get married, be a nurse, a secretary or a school teacher. I am SICK of people throwing sexism around as an excuse. Fuck that. People can either choose Hillary or not. If she loses its because she kicked her own ass. I know sexism when I see it and what's going on here doesn't come close.

[midora]

18. I'm Sexist Too! I Proudly Voted for Obama in January

Hillary Clinton is not a victim of gender discrimination;anyone who tries to paint her as a victim doesn't understand what a ruthless fighter she is. Should I vote for Hillary Clinton because she's a woman and I'm a woman? Hell, no! I voted for Obama back in January because I thought he represented the best opportunity for this country to get back its own his feet. I don't care that he doesn't have the 35 years of experience Hellcat claims she has! He's refreshing and positive, unlike Hillary with her sarcasm and vicious attacks. I don't want the Clintons back in the White House. I want a change! And in case anyone thinks I must be one of Obama's college-age supporters, think again! I'm in my forties, and supposedly since I'm a middle-aged woman, I should be jumping on the Hillary bandwagon.

[LulaMay]

23. That 'joke' would never fly if you boasted that you we're racist. You ARE sexist.

[K Gardner]

37. Ditto here. Proudly "sexist" and have been called same by this OP many times, as it

seems SEXISM is the only rallying cry available for Victim Clinton.

[LulaMay]

49. I call it like it is, "Proudly Sexist".

[bicentennial_baby]

26. Likewise!

:thumbsup:

[indimuse]

31. she didn't endorse McCain!

You should maybe read this to get a better understanding~~~

from a DUER::: http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=132x4877632

[OnionPatch]

50. Another woman for Obama!

That McCain comment really made me nauseated. I can't really even say how I feel about that comment or I'll get kicked off this board. She deserves to lose big time for that one.

[LulaMay]

53. I do believe you don't even know what sexism is, if you can't admit this board is rife with it.

[PretzelWarrior]

5. sorry to tell you but you are wrong.

this site is very representative of the progressive end of America. This site was WAYYY more for Dean than the world at large. This site is ready for progressive values....but we aren't inherently against women.

If I had had the ridiculous choice of Biden or Clinton I would have picked Clinton in a heartbeat.

[Kokonoe]

14. I'm with ya PretzelWarrior

And I would take Biden in a heartbeat against a republican.

[JoFerret]

38. Obama is far from being progressive

except in our hopes and dreams. the reality falls far short.

[rodeodance]

6. REC

[suston96]

7. Be patient, ladies. Someday soon you will get the vote. After that......

...all the doors will fly open for you and so many opportunities will be in your grasp.....

[mudesi]

8. SHE WAS THE FRONT RUNNER FOR MONTHS!

Give me a break!

[lapfog_1]

9. Yup, this is clearly a "boys club" here

and we don't let in any "icky" girls UNLESS they know the password!

:sarcasm:

Oh wait... maybe we DON'T do that.

:rofl: :rofl: :rofl:

[mudesi]

10. And it DOESN'T matter if she wins, except if she wins by 60% or more

The math is the math.

Drop out Hillary Clinton.

[LulaMay]

46. That is HOGWASH. Reagan was behind Ford all the way to the convention....

it's happened before and this race is just over a hundred delegates apart.

You know something is wrong in this party when the sanest person on Tweety's panel is Pat Buchanan, who reminded everyone of this fact and looked at them like they were bonkers that she couldn't stay in the race or win it.

Sexism has been a problem in this party for a long time....but little discussed and hidden, because women are a huge block of this parties voters. We are often taken for granted, and this time it is ugly. Where has our party been on the sexism used against one of our candidates? NOWHERE. SILENT. That's where. It's disgraceful.

I mean, we've had to suffer such offensive garbage from the mouths of even supposed liberal media pundits, and JUNK like commercials that show a woman debating a MOP.

People trying to force Senator Clinton out of this race, as if the huge number of women who've turned out for her don't matter at all are not being democratic.

[powergirl]

11. Woman here

I support Obama.

[Yes We Did]

12. I find it amazing how the numbers have changed.

After his last victory, it was almost concensus that she had to win both Ohio and Texas by double digits to have a chance.

Now, she only need to win one.

We're all just pawns here, you do know that right? I have seen more hillary coverage in the last week than I had in the previous month.

[goletian]

13. hillary has been the most negative, so she gets the most negativity

law of reciprocity. you think this is sexism? lol

[izzie]

15. Well I am over 65 and not rich and female, plus white,

I never wanted Clinton and been for Obama from day one. So I am in the wrong place from what the polls say. I just do not think being around a long time makes any one great in this job plus being around the WH as a wife hardly counts. It is these nuts that have been around for ever that have made this mess in the first place. Bush has been around his father since Chaney has been around his father. Luck will be with us if Jeb does not step up as McCain's vice.

[midora]

21. Maybe Laura Bush Should Run for President

Great point, Izzie! If Hillary's experience as wife of a Governor and wife of a President is supposedly such great political experience, why doesn't Laura Bush run? She's not a Senator, but she has about the same experience HRC has.

[izzie]

67. I thought we got rid of rule by blood lines etc.

Even Barbara Bush I think has a President in her family. Give me some new blood please.

[napi21]

17. DU is really quite a blend of people, but as it is everywhere else, the

loudest voices SEEM like they're the majority. I don't really think that's true anywhere. O've been on DU for a lot of years, and there are a LOT of rational thinkers here. People who look at each situation and post logical arguments. Right now, most of them are just sitting back and letting the radicals shoot at each other.

I used to spend HOURS each day on DU, reading all the posts and talking to people who have become friends. Recently, I've been spending less than 0 minutes because I'm not interested in flam wars and screaming matches.

I HOPE after the nominee is decided here will be at least a little while of normal here again. By Sept/Oct I'm probably going to just stay away and come back for the celebration in Nov!

[demo dutch]

19. This is THE MOST SEXIST country in the western world and I've lived in 9

This is the country that gave birth to the Hip-Hop culture which uses sexism as a centerpiece for the most part.

[NanBo]

25. old white woman

for Obama. I feel represented quite well on this board, but thanks for trying to discount that.

[IowaGirl]

28. You are so right, LulaMay.....

this board really doesn't seem to represent much of America. Women everywhere are rallying for Hillary. We were a little slow off the start because we didn't realize she was going to get robbed until just lately. Hopefully, it's not too late. I don't think I'm sexist but when there is a capable woman in the running, I do think it is our turn as well as hers. The guys have had their fair share of time to screw the country up. She does have seniority in the party and when a lot of those young people pushing for Obama get older and have to train a youngster to take over their job, seniority might start to mean something to them. She is just as good an option and knowing how many foreign countries admired the Clintons, I think it will help regain our credibility overseas. Especially if she sends Bill around to do some fence mending.

[NanBo]

29. so in other words

you think we should vote for her so Bill can run around the world and fix things? Wow. It's about running the fucking country, not about who's turn it is.

[IowaGirl]

33. Yeah, it is our.......

turn! Wanna fight? Raise your arm and fight for air! :rofl:

[LulaMay]

42. I wanna!

[midora]

40. Nanbo, No Matter What Happens, Bill Clinton Will Run Around

I shouldn't have said that. I actually like the guy.

[LulaMay]

48. Only somebody with a low opinion of women would claim Bill will be the Pres.

[NanBo]

60. WTF are you talking about

YOU brought it up--read your own post. You really need to grow up.

[cali]

30. you have pefected whining

this is a sterling example. I'm a woman voter and I voted for Obama today. I'm not brainwashed. I'm an educated voter, and I'm not alone. Your whining is pathetic.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

35. This Board Is Much Whiter, Much Richer,And HasMore Formal Education Than The Rest Of The Party

I don't know how much more you can infer than that*


And, no I am not saying everybody here is rich, white, and has a JD, MD, PhD, or EDD...

[LulaMay]

43. Much like the party power brokers and media...who like to make commercials where woman debates a mop

par fo4 the course of what we've had to put up with

[Recursion]

36. Senator Clinton has gotten a pass for way too long

The media have, entirely without challenge, let her present herself as having "experience" that qualifies her for the job, when she is slightly less experienced than Obama.

[midora]

39. The Implication Seems to Be That I Should Vote for HRC Because She's a Woman

and I'm a woman, too. Jeez, what a coincidence! I'm not going to vote for HRC to achieve some daffy feminist goal. If a woman was running that I respected, I might vote for her. I'm a white, middle-aged woman who doesn't make much money, and I voted for Obama because I felt that he was the best candidate.

[LulaMay]

52. What implication? I said that this board doesn't represent the block of women voting for her..

the women across America who have turned out for her.

I said this board is rife with sexist remarks and anti-Hillary bashing.

Vote for who you want, but those are the facts.

[HeraldSquare212]

66. Were you here in Jan and Feb for the mindless swarm-postings against Obama?

[HiFructosePronSyrup]

41. Do you think so?

Because it looks to me like America thinks Obama is a better candidate.

[LulaMay]

44. This board is very anti-Hillary, rife with sexist remarks. Women are a party bedrock voting for her

in huge numbers.

Yes, it is out of touch.

[HiFructosePronSyrup]

45. Obama's winning the nomination.

Deal with it.

[LulaMay]

47. Don't tell me what to do, you asshole. You are a perfect example of what I'm talking about. JERK

[OzarkDem]

51. Agree, its been a real awakening

expect to see a revolution of Dem women who finally see their sexist Dem bretheren for what they really are.

[LulaMay]

57. I've been expecting it to happen one day...looks like this is it.

What fools they are, to take women and our hard work and loyalty so for granted.

I'm afraid they'll regret it if it continues and she loses in such an unfair manner.

[surfin]

58. MSNBC showed just now how Hillary could win Ohio

and end up -1 in delegates in that state. Amazing.

Problem for Hillary is that half the people do not really like her. We thought that was only the general population and now see it is in the press and dem party.

50 super delegates are to come over to Obama tomorrow.

[midora]

61. Thanks, I will Vote for Who I Want

[DawgHouse]

62. It is absurd, you are correct.

[HeraldSquare212]

63. Mathematically, it doesn't matter. HRC would need a miracle to catch up.

I haven't seen the sexism you mention - the media repeated her theme that she had the best campaign team as if it were gospel truth, for months and months and months, turning a campaign approach into plain fact.

[sendero]

68. Voting for someone..

.. because they are female is just as sexist as voting against them for the same reason.

Sexism is not why HRC is losing.

[Whisp]

69. would you defend all women equally against sexism,

or just the ones you like or approve of?

I've had this question up a couple of times in response to posts like yours, and get no answers.

Do you think it is as grievous to say awful sexist stuff against Ann Coulter, Monica Lewinski, etc., as it is against Hillary?