I am really disappointed in DU these days. the virulence, the ugliness, the hatred, the

[niyad]

venom spewing from so many, has me looking to make sure I haven't, somehow, been transported to that other site.

this all makes me very sad for the future of this party and this country.

[Yes We Did]

1. I can't believe this is a democratic website!

The horrible horrible things I have read on here today; most of which are lies and fabrications and exaggerations.

[LostinVA]

18. You know the meaning of irony, right?

WTF?

[sandnsea]

2. And the Clinton campaign, the virulence, the ugliness, the hatred,

the venom spewing from everyone in her campaign, makes me very sad for the future of this party and this country.

[liberal N proud]

6. As a bystander in this mess...

I see the same from both camps on this board.

The funny thing is the Obama supporters are the first ones to post negative about Clinton every time one of these types of threads are posted.


There are two shoes here.

[sandnsea]

14. What's said about Hillary is true

And if you don't see it, then you either haven't done enough of your own homework, are you aren't as objective a bystander as you pretend to be.

[ProSense]

8. They pretend the nastiness coming from Hillary's campaign isn't real!

Drug dealer, fairy tale, imaginary hip black friend, gang bang, cult, shuck-and-jive, Hispanics
don't vote for black people, Obama is Somalian, Obama meets with former terrorists, all from Hillary's campaign and surrogates.

None of this matters though because Obama talked about Reagan and made a joke about being related to Cheney.

[niyad]

16. did you happen to notice that I wasn't taking sides? no, of course you didn't

[Forkboy]

21. Interesting not taking sides, isn't it?

Gives one a very curious perspective on not only the candidates but the party itself.

[sandnsea]

29. Did you happen to notice...

that I think people who say they aren't taking sides either haven't been paying attention or have biases they aren't admitting to.

[Forkboy]

32. Maybe some aren't taking sides because they HAVE been paying attention.

[sandnsea]

35. Facts are facts

Unless race baiting, voter suppression, election manipulation, and outright lies don't bother you.

[Forkboy]

36. Thank you George.

[sandnsea]

37. Some didn't pay attention when George did it either n/t

[Forkboy]

39. Yes, where would we all be without you?

[sandnsea]

48. You don't need me

Go get the damn facts. They're out there.

[Forkboy]

51. Who says I haven't?

Because I see things differently than you I'm uninformed? Hence the "thank you George" in my other reply. Simplistic, holier than thou thinking is for the other party.

[sandnsea]

54. Uninformed or intentionally biased

That's what I said. You decide which it is. Facts don't lie. The Clinton campaign lied about student voting in Iowa. They lied about Obama's abortion record in NH. They illegally kept poll watchers out in NH. They had the teacher's union sue in NV. Numerous people in their campaign made racist statements, and now there's the darkened skin in their latest ad. They continue to lie about Canada/NAFTA, even after it's been clarified. It goes on and on and on. Those are the facts. If you choose to ignore them, then you're as intentionally partisan as any Bush supporter.

[Forkboy]

55. Somehow, having you lecture me or partisanship is making me laugh.

“There's a world of difference between truth and facts. Facts can obscure the truth.”

Maya Angelou

“Facts do not 'speak for themselves', they are read in the light of theory”

Stephen Jay Gould

You see facts through Obama shaded glasses just like Hillary supporters see facts through Hillary shaded glasses, and anyone stepping out of that narrow definition is like a Bush supporter. Both you and them are mirror images, abhorrent as that may sound to you. And both you and them are certain of yourselves and your takes on the facts. I have no use for either sides interpretations of the "facts"...I read them myself and draw my own conclusion. Sometimes it may agree with you, sometimes with them, but usually somewhere in the middle. If facts are facts there would never be a hung jury in the land.

Sorry if that isn't good enough for you, and maybe it's a little too esoteric for a forum as rabidly myopic as this one.

[IowaGirl]

57. I have done my homework.....

and nobody's hands are clean. That could apply to either camp.

[nomorewhopper]

20. indeed n/t

[Arugula Latte]

33. My thoughts exactly, sandnsea.

[grace0418]

46. Some Obama supporters are just as guilty of ugliness. That's the point of the OP.

It isn't just "one side."

[sandnsea]

49. If pointing out the truth of the Clinton smear tactics is ugly

then Obama supporters are ugly. Otherwise, people need to get the facts. The Clinton campaign has done nothing but lie, on a daily basis. It's just the truth.

[closeupready]

3. Don't be worried. If Obama loses the primary, then we'll know that we have someone experienced

in the White House regardless of which one wins, bringing a lifetime of it with them.

That was sarcasm, but you see how these tactics of going negative have harmed the party? That's what happens.

[redqueen]

4. Yeah.

It makes me worry for the future of the world. As for the party, perhaps it's self-destructing.

[DURHAM D]

5. Case in point - see post #2.

[HiFructosePronSyrup]

7. I hate seeing people I respect make fools of themselves.

Worse, I hate agreeing with people on candidates when I already hate that person before the primaries started.

It's just the internet. It doesn't mean anything.

[Lilith Velkor]

56. It's actually pretty funny

when you truly stop respecting them and they still act like fools.

You know the internet is just a gigantic bathroom wall. That's why I sorta respect you.

[PretzelWarrior]

9. it all started with Clinton going to the gutter

it was a bit tense here prior to that....but I have seen people just off the walls (including myself) when I see a SUPPOSEDLY progressive person like Hillary not willing to compete with ideas and say "let the better person win" but instead runs around spewing garbage in the hopes she can scare some off of Obama.

You can credit Clinton with this divisiveness reaching such a fever pitch. and it is a prelude to what 4 years of her in the WH would be IF, IF she can beat McCain.

[Horse with no Name]

13. oh those rose colored glasses...need to get me a pair

Hate to tell you though, it is BOTH camps...both are equally as responsible.

[billbuckhead]

24. It started with Obama campaign swiftboating the Clinton's on race in South Carolina

"Black America will wake up and get it."

<http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ESsaVSTSYxQ >

[NorthernSpy]

50. Only Hillbots see it that way. No one else was fooled.

[bkcc]

I wholeheartedly agree.

Since logging in today, all I've seen is thread after thread of Obama and Clinton supporters bashing one another.

It's pretty sad.

[populistdriven]

10. all you need is love and a donut

[grace0418]

11. I hear ya. K&R. Wanna join my vigil?

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.ph...

[C_U_L8R]

12. Welcome to Clintonia.

Hillary divisive? .... oh noooooooooooo

[madrchsod]

15. it`s the democrats!

crazy ass family of nut-balls whose sole existence is to defeat the forces of evil,that is,republicans.

[niyad]

17. for all of you who, apparently, cannot read, please notice that I did NOT specify

a side as to the state of this board. interesting that so many of you immediately started whining "but hillary did it too, first" whatever.

try a little comprehension before you type a reply. sadly, you have continued to prove my point.

[Shine]

19. We're not ALL that way, trust me

Keep the faith. Goodness and Happiness will prevail.


Here, have a cupcake.

[niyad]

23. oh, I know that, which is the only thing that keeps me coming back.

thanks for the cupcake-- I needed it.

[likesmountains 52]

22. yes, you can't even start a thread like this without getting hostile comments...

[NastyRiffraff]

25. Interesting...

Some people just can't help themselves...it's like they're on autopilot. EVERY TIME a thread like this is started, talking about the ugly atmosphere here, someone, usually bashing Hillary, but sometimes Obama, too, just MUST chime in about how it's all because of Hillary (or Obama).

Grow up, people. Stop hijacking these threads.

[jobycom]

26. My first posts around here, back in 2001 or 2002

Were arguments against the anti-Gore folk, who beleived that Gore was the incarnation of evil, the DLC candidate, the boogeyman under the bed.

Wait around long enough, and those who hate whomever they hate now will love that candidate and hate someone else. There is always hate, there is always love. Those who hate don't stop hating, they just stop hating one person and move on to another. It's always been that way here, always will be. I blame the parents, which probably says something I don't want to know about me.

[pegleg]

27. Many have already left for good

[mattclearing]

28. It's almost over.

Be disappointed if it persists beyond the concession.

[RiverStone]

30. Skinner has said 1 week's worth of whining and venting...

...will be allowed after a nominee is known.

After that - DU will have a zero tolerance of anyone dissing our nominee. And believe me, I'd love it if that week were to begin tomorrow.

[IowaGirl]

59. Skinner for President....

Yeah, who's with me???!!!

[kestrel91316]

31. DU appears to be populated these days by 9-year-old boys with too

much time on their hands and too little adult supervision.

Adults don't attack their strongest candidates this way. This place is an embarrassment.

[SoCalDem]

34. Don't look at the screenname, read the insult (if you must)..then move on

If you cannot rememeber who insulted you, it's hard to hold a grudge..

Lots of people are just all wound-up, and are lashing out at anyone..even their online, anonymous pals...

I am a forgiving person, so I issue blanket-absolution, and don't particularly care to know/remember who insulted me for having my own opinion

[Bluerthanblue]

38. it is like "snakes on a discussion board"-

and we seem to be drenched in pheromones.


Silliness aside,
It is sad.

What is happening to this world?

peace~

[Catherine Vincent]

40. Some Obama supporters have really stunk up the place. nt

[apnu]

42. yeah right its all Obama supporters.... sure, pull the other leg will ya? (nt)

[Forkboy]

44. Some people see not their own stinkiness.

Nor that in which they side with.

[grace0418]

45. As have some Clinton supporters. The blame can be spread all around and you know it.

You're pretty much reinforcing the OP.

[apnu]

41. We're at eachother throats, exactly what the GOP wants

Chill out people, chill.

[erebusman]

43. a young man at my work....

Who self identifies as "independent" but seems to be leaning democratic in this election sees me read this site and says "Oh your on angrydemocrat.com again huh?"

And i cant help but laugh because he is SO right.

He also says that the messages he reads here badly turn him off so he has stopped reading it. I've lurked for 4 years and some times I'm not sure why I still come here, maybe its like horror movies --- its so bad you can't help but peek?

peace

[NC_Nurse]

47. I have a LOT of people in ignore, several I added just today.

It's helped some. I hope things get better soon.

[beachmom]

52. Ever heard of the ignore function? It makes DU MUCH better. nt

[damntexdem]

53. There are real issues on the table.

True, most of the venom should go toward the GOP, especially the Bushistas. But some NEEDS to land on the Dem enablers of the Bushistas -- as one of the candidates has been.

There, I didn't name names.

[Bettie]

58. Thank you

I have been thinking the very same thing.

I have seen vitriol from the supporters of both current candidates and it seems to be escalating into something truly ugly.

I keep checking to make sure I've not wandered onto another site....the only thing that reminds me that I am in the "right" place is the fact that people here can spell and generally use language in a coherent way.