Hillary Either Makes Huge Strides In Closing Pledged Delegate Gap Tomorrow Or Concedes Soon After

[KittyWampus]

No matter how hard the Clintons' pathetic attempt to move the goal posts, the reality of the Math involved doesn't change.

Or maybe Math has a well-known Obama bias?

Anyway, if she insists on going forward after NOT coming up with a significant majority of pledged delegates tomorrow you can count on:

Her ass getting whopped in Wyoming and Mississippi after which Obama will probably increase his pledged delegate lead to at least 180
Even more Super Delegates defecting from her camp
Even more Super Delegates previously undeclared coming out for Obama
Obama or surrogates finally having to go negative and the Clintons have a lot of recent dirt the Mediawhores haven't bothered highlighting

[moobu2]

1. Obama should concede as soon as possible for everyone’s sake.

[dorktv]

6. You know, when I read the vast majority of these threads: the term

uppity comes to mind a lot.

[Gore1FL]

7. Then Hillary could be McCains VP

and we wouldn't need an election!

[JimGinPA]

2. I Think Math Is Sexist

And it doesn't count.


:rofl:

[dorktv]

3. Um...if she wins tomorrow when everyone was saying she was toast

13 days ago, that shows that the race is not over yet.

[Gore1FL]

9. She has to gain 80-100 delegates morethanObama to have a chance

I don't see that happening.

[dorktv]

14. who says she has to gain that many to stay in the race?

Y'all take anything less than a massive victory to be an automatic loss.

No, it just means that the agony of the campaign shall continue and this is a good thing...the later states should have more of a voice.

[Gore1FL]

20. She can stay in the race

She'll just be the Democratic Mike Huckabee or Ron Paul.

She is going to gain way less delegates in NC,MS, and WY than Obama. If shes doesn't pull off 80-100 delegates, she'll have to somehow upset Obama in states her campaign considers unimportant, and regain a sizeable lead in PA.

She has effectively wedged herself out of that scenario in her attempts to win in TX and OH.

[dorktv]

24. well since the Senator needs at least 990 delegates to win the magic

number, and Senator Obama needs only 833 (well if you discount the superdelegates and I think they may be disappearing soon) with only 981 left to be awarded...

She may manage to push a brokered convention which is good for the Party because it pushes the Party forward in the media...who wants to watch the boring crowning of Senator McCain when there is a major contest over in the D side to pay attention to?

[Gore1FL]

25. Super delegates are needed for the equations.

otherwise "needed to win" is reduced.

4047 total delegates - 795 Super delegates = 3252 3252/2 = 1626 (+1 for majority) = 1627 needed to win.

with pledge delegate counts of:

Clinton: 1038
Obama: 1193

That would make Obama's "magic number 434 instead of 633.

They aren't "going away" though so we have to include them for the 2025 needed to win.

If you divided them disproportionately to Hillary by the unlikely 55%-45% ratio, the total would still be:


Clinton: 1038 + 438 (she gets the round up) = 1476
Obama: 1193 + 357 = 1550

Assuming the extemely unlikely even they split the final Primaries (including March 4, but not PA) where Obama, in some cases has double digit leads) the totals would be:

1476 + 412 (she gets the round up) = 1888
1550 + 411 = 1961

PA has 158 pledged delegates. Obama would need 64 or 41% to win a total of 2025.

Will Hillary get 55% of the Super delegates? Doubtful.

Will Hillary get 50% of the delegates in every state besides PA? Doubtful

Will Hillary get 60% of the PA delegates? Doubtful.

Edited (twice) to fix formatting.

[dorktv]

27. Good edit but I was refering to the fact that a LOT of people are unhappy

with the idea of superdelegates right now. So it is possible to have a forced vote to strip them of their power at convention.

[KittyWampus]

10. Again, it's about the Math involved and not Clinton's spin. A paltry increase in delegates= Clinton

unable to overcome Obama's lead.

And after MS and WY, it'll just get worse for her.

Especially since Obama or his surrogates will have to start going negative.

[dorktv]

15. Once they do, you do not think Senator Clinton will not get nasty?

I mean really nasty? Not this lukewarm nastiness.

[KittyWampus]

17. you don't think if that happens Obama or his surrogates won't retaliate and get nasty back?

And the Clintons have a LOT of recent dirt the Mediawhores haven't bothered with.

[dorktv]

18. like what?

I have not been paying much attention to this race so I have no idea what the media could use against the junior Senator from New York that they have not already used.

[KittyWampus]

21. google: Gupta Sued By Shareholders Bill Clinton Millions

for instance.

Or

unreleased tax returns

or

Marc Rich Clinton Pardon - Denise Rich Donate Clinton Library

for starters

[dorktv]

22. wait a second! A person pardoned by President Clinton donates to his library?!

be still my heart.

That is as silly as the anti-Obama people saying that his friend's trial will destroy his campaign.

[spag68]

4. Both should stay in

That way, at least until the convention, the thugs will be unsure who to swiftboat.

[wileedog]

8. They don't have to

Hillary will take care of that for them

[KittyWampus]

11. That wastes millions of dollars and weakens both candidates driving up their negatives.

And regardless, the Math doesn't change. So "going to the Convention" would be an exercise in futility.

[Thurston Howell III]

16. I wonder.

:tinfoilhat: :tinfoilhat:

Could it be that she's ...... Nah. The attacks are too vicious.

[Gore1FL]

5. Her campaign has made strategic blunders that will stop her from getting huge victories

For whatever reason, she has gone the way of the wedge. That is a bad idea any time. It is a worse idea in a nomination process.

Once someone is wedged away they have a hard time coming back. The recent "experience" nonsense has really put off Obama leaners and fence sitters.

The pseudo McCain endorsement, the phone ad, et al, have divded the electorate in such a way she'll have a hard time gaining the 60% wins she needs to have a credible chance.

I could go on about the experience fiasco, but I am sure it has been covered.

[KittyWampus]

13. And her "Experience" attack will be easy for Obama or surrogates to turn against her

And totally lethal in the GE.

[PretzelWarrior]

12. clinton has already lost. she just doesn't know it yet

[Johnny__Motown]

19. Odds are Obama will win more delegates tomorrow (again) Thanks to Texas

[caligirl]

23. Clinton radio ads telling differing times for caucus tomorrow.

I just heard that the Clintons are running radio ads in Houston telling Clinton people to caucus at 6:45PM and Obama people at 7:15PM.

7:15PM is when the caucus starts. Those assholes! They are suppressing the vote



this is a comment from A Thread at the Field website.

[KittyWampus]

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