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OhioChick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-02-08 08:43 PM
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It's all over but the crying for Hillary
Sun, March 2, 2008

There was a moment toward the end of the Democratic presidential debate in Cleveland last Tuesday when it was easy to feel sorry for Hillary Clinton.

The former First Lady hadn't done much since the top of the show to endear herself to anyone who wasn't already voting for her, what with the health care hectoring and the whining about always going first and the old evil eye trick.

But as Barack Obama was talking about how Mrs. Clinton doesn't owe anyone an explanation as to why she's a worthy opponent, the sad reality of Hillary Clinton's predicament conjured a fleeting wave of sympathy.

Mrs. Clinton's careening campaign for the Democratic presidential nomination is already shaping up to be the most thoroughly autopsied in the history of modern democracy and the body's not even horizontal yet, much less cold.

While superdelegates madly plot to find a "Here's your husband, what's your hurry?" strategy for getting the Clintons to go away quietly without resorting to a stun gun and a net if she loses both Texas and Ohio March 4, the campaign forensics nuts (including yours truly), are already arguing over the COD.

Under the original Clinton campaign plan, the first week of March after Super Tuesday would have weeded out the last of the also-rans, including that silver-tongued pain-in-the-ass Obama. Mrs. Clinton would now be reminding Americans of how crumbly and corrupt and hotheaded John McCain is. Instead, she's still trying to convince Democrats that Barack Obama should be ashamed of himself.

INCONSISTENT MESSAGE

Much of the premature Monday morning strategizing about the Clinton campaign (it ain't over 'til March 5 and just maybe, if she wins somewhere, anywhere, March 4, not even then) focuses on the wildly inconsistent message, the Bill factor, the fundraising incompetence, the overspending.

But every one of those issues is really about arrogance: We don't need a message, we're running as the incumbent; we have one of the most popular presidents in history as our understudy; and we don't need little-people money, we have wealthy friends who'll buy access.

The Clinton campaign was run from right out of the gate as though it were just an unseemly formality, an inconvenient hurdle between the Clintons and their right to recapture a legacy tragically derailed by what Mrs. Clinton euphemistically called in an interview last week with a Christian broadcaster, "What happened during the '90s."

Senator Clinton and her braintrust never took Barack Obama seriously as a threat, despite all the signs after his 2004 Democratic convention speech that everyone else in Washington did. Which may mean that the one-way conversation they had with the American people about race before both New Hampshire and South Carolina was just the retail manifestation of a cherished article of faith; that many Americans wouldn't vote for a black presidential candidate.

RACIAL CODE

Maybe that's why much of what was said by Hillary and Bill in January smacked of racial code intended to remind Americans that they were seriously contemplating doing precisely that, as though it hadn't dawned on them already.

At the same time, Bill Clinton knew a star when he saw one because he'd been one himself. The former president wistfully told a New Hampshire crowd the day before the primary, "I can't make her younger, taller, male . . . there's a lot of things I can't do." In other words, not only is she no me, but if people want change so badly they're willing to vote for a black man, then we're cooked because he's got everything else going for him, too.

They never had a strategy beyond riding back into town on a wave of Clinton nostalgia, female pride in a historic first and Bush fatigue, and they never had a ground strategy beyond Super Tuesday. The flailing that has filled the vacuum since then has been so weird at times that Mrs. Clinton has looked more like Wile E. Coyote trying to outwit the Roadrunner with yet another Acme just-add-water contraption than the hare sleeping on the roadside as the tortoise coasts by.

In a different world, Hillary Clinton would have been the renegade, the change agent and the historic first. In this world, Obama decided to run for president this time. That she didn't see him coming may say more about her judgment, her experience and who she is than just about anything else she's ever done.

http://www.edmontonsun.com/Comment/2008/03/02/4887537-sun.html




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tekisui Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-02-08 08:45 PM
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1. Public display of the stages of loss.
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MannyGoldstein Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-02-08 08:46 PM
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2. The Clintons Are Still Playing The Race Card
Bill was whining the other day about all of the young "urban" voters in Texas who'll vote for Obama.

Nice.
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psychopomp Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-02-08 08:48 PM
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3. Did he really?
I guess he is just trying to keep up with Hillary's "spadework."
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silverweb Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-02-08 08:52 PM
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5. Ironic.
Bill sure didn't mind all those young "urban" voters in Chicago in '92 that a _young "urban" lawyer_ organized to GOTV for him, did he?

:rofl:

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CitizenLeft Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-02-08 10:58 PM
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26. wow, what a find!
Thank you!
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silverweb Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-03-08 12:33 AM
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46. Not my find, actually.
It's too late to edit my original post, but the "find" was originally posted _here_ by BeyondGeography.

There's plenty more good commentary on the subject in that thread. :)
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CitizenLeft Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-03-08 01:01 AM
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48. ah - thank you again!
:hi:
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silverweb Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-03-08 01:14 AM
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50. You're most welcome!
:hi:

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bigbrother05 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-02-08 11:19 PM
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36. Thanks, hadn't seen that.
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silverweb Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-03-08 12:34 AM
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47. See post #46 above for more on that.
:)

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goclark Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-03-08 12:04 AM
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45. It's hard to believe that I once believed in them
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Cha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-02-08 08:50 PM
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4. I read she wouldn't shake Obama's hand
in the Senate when he announced he was running for Prez..she musta known something was up besides her blatant rudeness.


They never had a strategy beyond riding back into town on a wave of Clinton nostalgia, female pride in a historic first and Bush fatigue, and they never had a ground strategy beyond Super Tuesday. The flailing that has filled the vacuum since then has been so weird at times that Mrs. Clinton has looked more like Wile E. Coyote trying to outwit the Roadrunner with yet another Acme just-add-water contraption than the hare sleeping on the roadside as the tortoise coasts by.
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thunder rising Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-02-08 09:00 PM
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6. And that makes 5...off to the greatest page with you!
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dsc Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-02-08 09:03 PM
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7. How dare that bitch spend 20 minutes on health care
Edited on Sun Mar-02-08 09:09 PM by dsc
it isn't like there are close to 50 million uninsured. No wait, there is. Since some people are evidently stupid :sarcasm:
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Cha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-02-08 09:04 PM
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8. Shame on you calling hilary the
b word..I thought you supported her warmongering ass?
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dsc Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-02-08 09:08 PM
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9. do I really need the sarcasm icon
sorry but you can't really be that dense.
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Cha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-02-08 10:01 PM
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10. She's still a warmonger...
I'm alert enough to know that.
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NashVegas Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-02-08 10:46 PM
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21. Yeah, Actually They Can
At this point, I'm thinking fully 1/4 must be former Bushbots.
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bigbrother05 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-02-08 10:50 PM
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23. She grabbed on the Health Care
Like GWB grabbed onto Saddam, he threatened my Daddy, and I'm going to get him.
Clinton got run off by the Repubs. with her HC in the 90"s so she will show them
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ChromeFoundry Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-02-08 10:03 PM
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11. Recommended
:kick:
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Tarheel_Dem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-02-08 10:35 PM
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12. excellent piece.......n/t
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berni_mccoy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-02-08 10:36 PM
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13. Clinton had her Macaca Moment tonight on 60 minutes. She's done.
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Gore1FL Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-02-08 10:41 PM
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15. can you expand on that?
I didn't see 60 minutes
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berni_mccoy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-02-08 10:44 PM
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17. Check it out:
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CyberPieHole Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-02-08 11:02 PM
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28. Yeah? And that's "Macaca" how?
Because it's convenient for Obama's supporters to play the race card since Obama offers nothing but platitudes and lies to his CULT~ish followers? Is that how?
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berni_mccoy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-02-08 11:05 PM
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30. If you have to ask, you have serious problems yourself.
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CyberPieHole Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-02-08 11:11 PM
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32. If you project "Macaca" on everything, I believe the problem lies with you.
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berni_mccoy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-02-08 11:16 PM
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34. Let me explain it to you wild-eyed Hillbots then:
When asked if she thought Obama was a Muslim, there was only ONE ANSWER: NO. Simply No. Not, "As far as I know.". By saying that, she is playing the bigotry card, just like she had Bill race bait. She's the scum of the earth for doing so and you should be ashamed for pretending to not see it.
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OhioChick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-02-08 11:17 PM
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35. Good Analysis. n/t
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CyberPieHole Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-02-08 11:24 PM
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40. See what? "Macaca" everywhere? Sorry, but you can take your "Macaca" and do you know what with it.
CULT like Obama supporters seem to demand reverence for their Messiah. I think her answer was perfect.
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berni_mccoy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-02-08 11:39 PM
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43. Her Bigotry came through quite clearly.
As yours is starting to.
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FrenchieCat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-02-08 10:45 PM
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19. She couldn't simply state that Obama wasn't a Muslim.......
instead, she stated that As far as she knows.......she takes him at his word.

She could have really done herself a service....but again, she overcalculated her response to be more triangulating than it clearly should have been. The reporter had to ask her twice....to make sure he was hearing her saying, "no, he is not.....that is a lie".

But the good news is that 60 minutes made it clear, as did Barack, that he is not a muslim, nor has he ever been a muslim.
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Rosa Luxemburg Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-02-08 10:44 PM
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18. what happened ?
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JVS Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-02-08 10:36 PM
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14. Hurrah!
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CyberPieHole Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-02-08 10:44 PM
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16. Fortunately for Obama, if he does win the nomination, he won't need Hillary voters to switch to him.
The voters and supporters of Clinton can stay at home and let Obama win on his own. Obviously, anyone who supports Hillary Clinton's campaign must also be a "racist", ANYONE who doesn't support Obama is, INDEED, a racist. I hope Obama doesn't seek "Unity" from the Clinton supporters, because the only thing he'll get from me is the FINGER.
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JVS Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-02-08 10:45 PM
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20. McCain thanks you for your support
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CyberPieHole Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-02-08 10:52 PM
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25. And Obama "welcomes" him.
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HooptieWagon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-02-08 10:49 PM
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22. So you claim
We'll just have to take your word for it.
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babylonsister Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-02-08 10:51 PM
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24. Do you speak for all the Clinton supporters? I don't think so, and truly
hope not. Your post is ugly and uncalled for, but then again, most of them are. I just can't figure out why I haven't put you on ignore before now. Bye, and you won't be missed by me.
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KAZ Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-02-08 11:00 PM
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27. Buh-bye.
:hi:
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FrenchieCat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-02-08 11:03 PM
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29. I concur with others and I am making you disappear.......
Goodbye! :hi:
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JVS Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-02-08 11:10 PM
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31. I gotta agree. It's time for him to shut his pie hole
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CyberPieHole Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-02-08 11:12 PM
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33. The "hope" and "unity" from the CULT of Obama is palpable.
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KAZ Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-02-08 11:19 PM
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37. I thought you were leaving.
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OhioChick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-02-08 11:23 PM
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39. Sort of Like a Virus......
You think it's gone and WHAM.....it's back.
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CyberPieHole Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-02-08 11:27 PM
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41. I'm sure you are well acquainted with all things viral and communicable.
Speak from experience?:evilgrin:


*reaches for the iggy button*:hi:
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OhioChick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-02-08 11:30 PM
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42. "Speak from experience?"
Sure do. My kid is Pre-Med......and I'm a Damn Proud Mother.
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Dinger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-02-08 11:20 PM
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38. Men Cry Too
Think about it.
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Oilwellian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-03-08 12:00 AM
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44. Another Macaca moment
At the very end of this video I recently did, you'll hear Hillary wanting to quote Gandhi and then said he ran a gas station in St. Louis for a couple of years. The crowd laughs and she's responding to someone in the crowd and asking if they still go to that gas station ...then she said "there's a lot of wisdom in those gas stations."

It's long but well worth viewing if you haven't already:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bmyYCMoT8c4
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BenDavid Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-03-08 01:03 AM
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49. Crying? I say tears of joy as HRC rips obama a new a-hole
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