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zulchzulu Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-28-04 08:55 PM
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Kerry uses Bible scripture to pose questions about Chimpy's policies
Edited on Sun Mar-28-04 08:57 PM by zulchzulu
Kerry used some Bible quotes to go to the heart of Chimpy's policies. Now Rush et al. can drivel on about this to get the eye off the ball on Clarke. For a day or so anyway...

I'd bet there are plenty of Christians who'd rather not vote for Chimpy if given a chance.

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Kerry cited Scripture in his appeal for the worshippers, including James 2:14, "What good is it, my brothers, if a man claims to have faith but has no deeds?"

"The Scriptures say, what does it profit, my brother, if someone says he has faith but does not have works?" Kerry said. "When we look at what is happening in America today, were are the works of compassion?"

Bush campaign spokesman Steve Schmidt said Kerry's comment "was beyond the bounds of acceptable discourse and a sad exploitation of Scripture for a political attack."



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yardwork Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-28-04 08:56 PM
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1. "....a sad exploitation of Scripture for a political attack."
Yeah, nobody's ever done that before.
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zulchzulu Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-28-04 08:57 PM
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2. That's the entire reason for Robertson's success
Use Jesus to hate others.
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Sparkly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-28-04 08:58 PM
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3. It's not 'acceptable discourse'
to quote the Bible, unless it's Republicans doing it! Hypocrits.

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BootinUp Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-28-04 09:01 PM
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7. amazing isn't it?
Apparently they have no compassionate deeds to bring up.
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kera Donating Member (294 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-28-04 09:15 PM
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10. you must be born again
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Webster Green Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-28-04 10:50 PM
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16. Any criticism of repukes is beyond the bounds....
of acceptable discourse, also: irresponsible, offensive, partisan, erroneous, and slanderous.

They can sure dish it out though!

Wimps!
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ButterflyBlood Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-28-04 09:00 PM
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4. You can count this Christian as one who won't vote for *
One of the reasons being there is absolutely NOTHING WHATSOEVER Christ-like about him. He has no faith and is the biggest fraud today.
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Kathleen04 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-28-04 10:44 PM
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15. I second that...
Edited on Sun Mar-28-04 10:45 PM by Kathleen04
The facade really does work on those who are apolitical though..that's why it's good that Kerry is calling him out on not practicing what he preaches, so that apolitical Christians have to dig a little deeper than just voting for the "good Christian guy" who they think shares their values.

When I helped my mom become more informed about what Bush has done, she was so angry when she realized that she had fallen for it.

Nothing like realizing you've been duped to fire you up in the opposite direction..
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Nlighten1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-28-04 09:00 PM
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5. It is so funny to see them twist in the wind...
when their own words are used against them...
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Sparkly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-28-04 09:02 PM
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8. Easier than answering the question
Where *are* the works of compassion? I notice they didn't bother to try coming up with an answer.
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ezee Donating Member (615 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-28-04 09:09 PM
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9. Works of compassion?
they cant even apologize for the murder of over 3500 people (and counting) because of there arrogant ways and there unholy agenda to rule another country!
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Catfight Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-28-04 09:36 PM
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11. I think he wants to rule the world
not just another country, I think Bu$h's ultimate plan was total world domination. He wants to have one religion, and one flag, and one race.
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Catfight Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-28-04 09:01 PM
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6. Schmidt, still crucifying the messenger..
but none of them ever deal with the issues.
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raysr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-28-04 09:36 PM
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12. I wonder
how many "scriptures" the sainted "W" could recite? Maybe about as many as world leaders he could name? That may be a good way to undermine his faux christianity.
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The Magistrate Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-28-04 09:41 PM
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13. Though It Is Not Much My Habit To Quote Scripture, Mr. Zulu
The Epistle of James is my favorite among the New Testament works, and Sen. Kerry has used it properly in this instance. It engages the contradictions of spiritual claims to salvation most effectively, and leaves in tatters the idea that salvation by grace can exist without works of charity and fellowship giving evidence of its reality. Further, it makes quite clear that these must be material: simply praying for others' salvation does not suffice. It is not a text much preached on nowadays, for it is most discomfitting to the apostles of easy grace who pass themselves off as divines among the evangelicals nowadays.

"Behold, the hire of the laborers who have reaped down your fields, which by you is kept back in fraud from them, crieth: and the cries of them which have reaped are entered into the ears of the Lord of sabaoth."

"LET'S GO GET THOSE BUSH BASTARDS!"
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JPJones Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-28-04 10:07 PM
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14. It's pretty bold
It risks a 'Solo fide' backlash, but characterizes compassionate conservatism as a fraud.

James 2:17 "In the same way, faith by itself, if it is not accompanied by action, is dead. "
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sandnsea Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-29-04 03:27 AM
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17. Here's the whole text
Very powerful:

To: National Desk, Political Reporter

ST. LOUIS, March 28 -- Following is the text of remarks by John Kerry as prepared for delivery today at the New Northside Baptist Church in St. Louis:

Thank you for inviting me to this house of God and home of good works.

Thank you my good friend, Lacy Clay, and Bishop Ellis, for your light and leadership in this community.

My friends, I come here today with hope in my heart but resolve on my mind.

When I look around this city -- when I look around neighborhoods and towns and cities all over our country -- I see what so many of you do every day. We see that there is so much work to be done in America.

We see jobs to be created.

We see families to house.

We see violence to stop.

We see children to teach -- and children to care for.

We see too many people hungry in a country where food is abundantand too many working families living in shelters, when a living wage should provide them with a place to live.

The scriptures say: "It is not enough, my brother, to say you have faith, when there are no deeds."

We look at what is happening in America today and we say: "Where are the deeds?"

We are now told by some to ignore our greatest needs -- to forget about the pain around us. We are told that, after 3 million lost jobs and so many lost hopes, America is now "turning a corner."

But those who say America has turned the corner aren't standing on the corner of Highland Street, where two 15-year old teenagers were hit in a drive-by shooting last week.

They're not standing on the corner of North 19th Street, where the only place single mothers have to leave their children when they go to work is at the homeless shelter.

And those who say that "our economy is getting stronger and stronger" aren't standing on the corners across this state where closed factories speak the loss of 42,000 manufacturing jobs in Missouri in the past 3 years.

My brothers and sisters, our present national leadership may be taking us around a corner, but it is a corner that leads to a dead end road paved with broken promises.

Well, I'm here to say that if we stand together we can set a new direction for America.

A new direction of hope and opportunity for all our children.

It's time to reach for that future. It's time to hear and heed the ancient proverb that should guide us today: "When you pray, move your feet."

It was just 50 years ago that a little girl called Linda Brown had to walk a mile through a railroad yard everyday just to catch a bus to her segregated elementary school.

Her parents, Darlene and Oliver Brown, saw the closed doors of the white elementary school just 3 blocks from their house -- and they turned their daughter and their nation in a new direction. They "prayed by moving their feet."

Because of them America took a giant step forward, but there are still miles to go. In too many ways our school systems are still separate and unequal. Our society still falls short of our ideals.

We still have doors to open, prayers to say, and feet to move.

My friends, we are called to restore a government of the people instead of a tool of the privileged. To honor hard work and the dream of a better life. To give every child the best possible start in life. To bring back good jobs and give new life to the pledge of liberty and justice for all. To end the moral outrage of an America which is the only industrialized nation on the planet which doesnt understand that healthcare is a right and not a privilege. We are called to end the worry of all the mothers and fathers who fear that their children may become casualties of unsafe streets.

The scriptures tell us that there is "a time to break down and a time to build up."

This is our time to break down division, not build it up. It's time to reject the politics of falseness and fear calculated to divide black from white, rich from poor, neighborhood from neighborhood, region from region.

I know, we all know, why some want to widen those divisions, not heal them. They want us, as a people, pointing fingers at each other so no one shines the light of truth on their own failed ways.

This is our time to start building up America again. Time to build up the material things that matter -- from our schools to health centers to depressed communities that can thrive again. But even more, time to build up the things of the spirit that lift us up -- the sense that no matter where we come from, what we have or what we lack -- we are all God's children, linked together by the dignity of each and the shared destiny of all.

So let us pray. Let us move our feet. Let us march together and let us lead America in a new direction toward that mountain top which has always been our destination. We won't get there in one year or one election. But this year is our time to take another giant step toward the country we can and should become.



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DaveSZ Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-29-04 05:34 AM
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18. As the above picture indicates,
Jesus was clearly a bleeding heart liberal.

:evilgrin:
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bklyncowgirl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-29-04 06:27 AM
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19. Not only that but imagine the GOP smear machine at work on JC
"This self proclaimed man of god is known to consort with theives, prostitutes and sinners of all sorts. He accepted a gift of expensive ointment from a women of questionable reputation who then proceded to poor it on his feet and dry them off with her hair."

The White House spokesman went on to say that "Mr. Christ may have gone well beyond the limits of acceptable discourse when he said that 'Sooner a camel will walk through the eye of a needle than a richa man will walk through the gates of heaven."
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meow2u3 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-29-04 10:03 AM
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20. Jesus sure is--literally--a bleeding-heart liberal
and the Repukes who invoke His name to attack others are just like the old Pharisees of Jesus' time, who twisted God's word to attack others. (no anti-Semitism intended; just a criticism of behavior).
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Robb Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-29-04 10:36 AM
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21. Locking, duplicate post.
See marginally earlier thread here. :)

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