Has Clinton apologized to Cindy Sheehan for sending Casey to his death?

[berni_mccoy]

I'm just wondering. Because she has never expressed regret for her vote and she still thinks she would do the same thing today.

She voted to go to war. With Iraq. For no good reason. And she gave Bush all the power he needed. This wasn't about diplomacy. It was about oil and the slaughter of millions to disrupt the supply and trade of oil in the middle east. All so the oil companies could rake in billions of dollars of profit and all so defense contractors like Haliburton and Blackwater could raid the treasury for nearly 2 trillion dollars in taxpayer money.

Has Clinton apologized or expressed regret? Has she?

[AX10]

1. Will you apologize for posting spam at DU?

[berni_mccoy]

3. Hard time facing facts and the truth, isn't it?

[niceypoo]

58. What a totally bizarre assertion

Obama supporters have become total, absolute, hateful assholes. So much for the 'hope' they always brag about.

[berni_mccoy]

61. What is hateful is turning a blind-eye to Clinton's hypocrisy on the Iraq War.

She is running an Anti-war campaign all the while she would have done the same thing as Bush.

[rodeodance]

85. what you are doing is using a dead soldier to feed your hate of Clinton.

[liberalnurse]

64. Obama said he would give Cindy a new baby.

Hillary is so jealous now!

[Zachstar]

70. liberalnurse, WTF?!

Not only is that a defamatory statement! It is sick and is unneeded on this forum,

GROW UP!

[liberalnurse]

99. Obama is my man! He makes housecalls too Cindy.

Vote Obama!

[bigbrother05]

108. Guess after the fiasco on her "Unknown Power" OP, she's back to crapping on others.

[greguganus]

48. So now dead soldiers are considered spam? n/t

[liberalnurse]

93. Of course not.....

Dead soldiers died for you and me....So, it makes sense to pimp them out like the OP has Cindy Sheehan.

[rodeodance]

84. unfortuately OP is enjoying being judgemental. Hope you have done something positve to story this?

hint hint.

i can say it aloud.

[From The Left]

129. Will You Apologize for Defending a Warmonger for President?

[dkf]

2. She hasn't apologized but she did take back her vote.

Finally...on debate number 20.

[berni_mccoy]

4. She took back her vote. Really. That's going to make it all better?

[dkf]

18. Nope...too late for me. I've seen her awful judgment in action and

if I had to vote for her it would be a vote of "no confidence".

[NightWatcher]

5. it's ok berni, it will be over Tuesday (or Wednesday)

http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2008/03/02/ftn/main38974...

“D-Day is Tuesday," he told Face The Nation host Bob Schieffer. "Whoever has the most delegates after Tuesday should be the nominee."

Richardson deferred from announcing a personal endorsement of either Hillary Clinton or Barack Obama (“I’m legitimately torn," between the two, he said), but suggested that the leader after this week's primaries will have the presumptive title.

He also called for a positive Democratic race rather than one marred by negative ads or name-calling. “We have to have a positive campaign after Tuesday," Richardson said.

The party big wigs might be ready to step in on Wednesday to advise that Hillary bow out gracefully. http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.ph...

[Omega3]

6. has Kerry? has Dodd? hindsight is always 20/20, it's easy to say one thing when you're not there but

when you get there and then vote the same way everybody else does that's not courage.

thanks for playing along

[berni_mccoy]

14. Both have admitted they were wrong and have apologized.

[Omega3]

19. she said the same in the last debate, McCain will rip Obama about being a peacenik, he can't say the

same about HC

[Milo_Bloom]

32. So McCain is going to use the war???

Oh, that would be sweet, basing his campaign on a war that is at about 19% in the polls.

[Hepburn]

41. OMG..........

....from your lips to McCain's ears. PLEASE let him use the Iraq War as a centerpiece of why he should be POTUS!

[Omega3]

68. he will talk about the surge (which has worked) and will use that and the whole "must defeat the

bad ppl where they are or we will face doing it at home" lines and it WILL appeal to some in the country. He'll say the execution of the war was wrong but that it was just. this will work in KS, ND, ID, AK, SC, AL, GA and VA, you know, the states BO wins.

[Milo_Bloom]

87. So he will use the reasoning that has the war at 19%?

Excellent! We can only hope.

The lie that "the surge worked" is quite easy to debunk, so no one is concerned about that.

[greguganus]

51. yeah right...Mr. 100 Years In Iraq is gonna rip on Obama about peace. LMAO n/t

[greguganus]

Kerry and Dodd both said they were wrong. Got anything else? n/t

[MannyGoldstein]

7. She Only Aided And Abetted

Like driving the getaway car.

[cali]

8. wtf is the point of this?

Has John Kerry apologized? How about Chris Dodd? Joe Biden? John Edwards?

And yes, she has expressed regret for her vote. I wish we could keep it honest. She certainly does not say she'd do the same thing today. She says the opposite.

[berni_mccoy]

57. None of them are candidates for President running on an Anti-war campaign

The POINT of this is a wakeup call to Clinton supporters who are BLIND to the fact that Clinton is completely hypocritical on the Iraq War. She does not really believe her own campaigns stance on the war.

[SaveOurDemocracy]

9. Are you going to apologize to us for ...

being such an asswipe? What an incredibly idiotic thread.

[berni_mccoy]

15. I'm not running for President.

[emilyg]

10. Nonsense.

[berni_mccoy]

27. What's nonsense are HRC supporters who claim to be against the war.

[rodeodance]

120. We do not lower ourselves like you have have -to make a political statement on the back of the dead!

[proud2BlibKansan]

11. She avoided meeting with Cindy for quite awhile

I don't know if she ever apologized.

[UALRBSofL]

12. I don't think Kerry has either even though you voted for him in 04

Or did you sit that one out in protest of Kerry's IWR vote in 02?

[berni_mccoy]

17. Kerry admitted he was wrong and has expressed regret.

[UALRBSofL]

31. Do you have amnesia? Kerry NEVER apologized for his IWR vote in 04

In 04 he said he stood by his vote but would do things different then Bush. So, you voted for him. He apologized in 06 when it didn't matter. I suppose it was ok for Kerry's vote and got a pass where as with Hillary she doesn't get a pass and I think the fact Hillary is female makes a difference in peoples voting. I mean, why did people vote for Kerry over Dean? I guess his IWR vote didn't matter but all the sudden it matters with Hillary, what hypocrisy and sexism.

[PassingFair]

59. It shows that we should have gone with Dean!

Kerry couldn't debate the war with Bush effectively,
after all, he had AUTHORIZED IT!

There were MANY democrats who voted for Kerry
because he was the democrat, not because we
agreed with his IWR vote.

Given the CHOICE between a person who AUTHORIZED
the Iraq war, and one who CLEARLY spoke out
AGAINST the invasion, I'll pick the one who
KNEW WHAT HE WAS TALKING ABOUT.

Thank you very much!

[ElsewheresDaughter]

13. Did you vote for Kerry in 04?

[UALRBSofL]

21. I voted for Kerry, sure

I didn't care for Dean at all. And now he has kept us folks in florida from counting our votes.

[ElsewheresDaughter]

23. LOL so did I but, I was asking the OP

[Omega3]

16. did somebody shove you on the playground and not say "sorry" wtf???

[ElsewheresDaughter]

29. oh you are being much gentler than I.....

I was about to ask: if maybe his mother drop him as a baby and forget to pick him up?

[greguganus]

56. appears...

...your mom drop kicked you one too many times?

[PresidentObama]

20. Should she? Bush sent Casey to war, not her.

[Omega3]

22. No! don't you know the vote was tied and it all came down to HC's vote, she's singlehandidly

respnsible for this and all the ills in the world.

[PresidentObama]

25. Really? I thought it was Kerry's fault. Oh wait, that was only in 2004.

Now it's Hillary's.

[berni_mccoy]

30. The rest of the Dems who voted aren't running for President on an Anti-War campaign.

[rodeodance]

121. lame

[Sweet Pea]

24. Probably not

Why should she?

[Obamanaut]

26. What about the other thousands - do they not also merit your

attention?

[Maribelle]

28. The democratic hate on hate is truly despicable.

[berni_mccoy]

33. Not truly as despicable as Clinton's Hypocrisy on the War or her supporters blindness to it.

[PassingFair]

67. Then certain DEMOCRATS should have thought of that and VOTED

with other DEMOCRATS in OPPOSITION to Bush and
his WAR.

They should have stood together like the
loyal opposition we ELECTED them to be.

Lieberman has been forcibly ejected from the party,
he won't be the last.

[onehandle]

34. How Asinine. What have you done for the world today?

Not much, it seems.

[donheld]

35. Berni, you should be ashamed of yourself

It's, bullshit, threads like this that causes DU to be so unbearable.
I am not a Hillary supporter, but I know Bullshit when i smell it.

[berni_mccoy]

40. If the truth smells like bullshit to you, then it is you who should be ashamed.

[Skip Intro]

36. Has Kerry, who stands side by side with Obama these days?

fucking hypocrites

[MonkeyFunk]

37. US Senators don't send troops anywhere

Bush did. This is his war.

[berni_mccoy]

39. Wrong. The Constitution is clear on this. Congress has the sole power to go to war.

[MonkeyFunk]

139. No, you're wrong

Yes, the congress can declare war. The President, though, is commander in chief, and sends troops.

[MichiganVote]

38. This is the sorriest ass post I've seen on this board yet.

[berni_mccoy]

42. What's really sorry is that Clinton supporters can't face the reality of their choice.

[rodeodance]

44. just to be clear did you listen to the dabate this week--she said she regrets that vote.

[Name removed]

45. Deleted message

Message removed by moderator. Click here to review the message board rules.

[berni_mccoy]

47. Telling someone you alerted their thread is actually against the rules.

[donheld]

49. So is flamebait

[berni_mccoy]

52. Sorry you see it that way. It's a wake-up call to Clinton supporters who have gone blind

to the hypocrisy of Clinton's Anti-war stance. She's all hat. No cattle.

[rodeodance]

74. We do not need a wake up call to the slime that has been posted on DU!! such as your OP.

[JVS]

113. Just because it's not phrased in the most gentle way possible doesn't make it flamebait

[greguganus]

54. How's that working out for ya? n/t

[rodeodance]

63. best edit----just say flamebait. the OP got the message. thanks

[rodeodance]

65. Thank you very much for saying this

[rodeodance]

43. SHAMEFUL---using the death of a soldier to diss Hillary. Take it down and save face!

[berni_mccoy]

46. The Death of Casey Sheehan has been used over and over again by supporters of the Anti-War movement

I am one of them. You are not. You support a candidate who voted to go to war, who has not expressed regret in her vote and who is, in all hypocrisy, basing her campaign on an Anti-war stance. She does not earned the right to do that.

I'm sorry you can't face the reality of that choice.

[rodeodance]

60. the soldier died. Respect his memory.

[berni_mccoy]

62. As have thousands of others and millions of Iraqi's. I respect all the dead. Clinton does not.

[rodeodance]

69. How dare you ASSume and claim she does not respect the dead. SHAME ON YOU

[berni_mccoy]

88. You really have to reach far, don't you?

[rodeodance]

95. Think about it--you are self rightously assuming you know what she is thinking. I am not raching

[berni_mccoy]

97. I make no assumptions about what Clinton thinks. It is painfully obvious that she is a hypocrit

And is completely wrong about her judgement on the Iraq War. How dare she run an anti-war campaign.

[rodeodance]

111. listen to your self--you said she did not care--Your judgement is called into question.

[greguganus]

53. Shameful--dismissing thousands of dead soldiers to support Hillary. Take it down and save face. n/t

[rodeodance]

75. yes, shameful of you to support the flaimbait.

[berni_mccoy]

82. You say flaimbait. I say, face the facts.

[casus belli]

50. Oh come on man. I support Obama, but this is nuts. n/t

[berni_mccoy]

55. Is it really? Clinton supporters are now feeling the same shame that Bush did for not meeting

with Sheehan when she waited outside his ranch. They have gone blind to the hypocrisy of Clinton's anti-war stance, something about which she is neither serious or able to change.

[rodeodance]

77. thank you for saying that. hope you have also done something positive to get it removed. thanks

[BuyingThyme]

66. She won't even admit to doing that for which she hasn't apologized.

Wrong bar. Wrong event.

[Maribelle]

71. flamebait

[BuyingThyme]

81. You have a low flame threshold.

[Maribelle]

90. more flamebait

[BuyingThyme]

96. You must be made out of acetone-soaked gasoline.

[Maribelle]

102. You should be ashamed of yourself supporting this democratic hate on hate

[BuyingThyme]

106. What's the hate part?

For that matter, what's the other hate part?

[Maribelle]

107. Using the death of an American Soldier for political purposes is hate at it's lowest.

Using it here on DU against another democratic is pure hate.

[BuyingThyme]

110. Actually, it's the height of patriotism, isn't it?

[Maribelle]

115. I guess shame is not in one with a hate filled heart such as yours.

[BuyingThyme]

117. Why did you think speaking out against the government in matters of life and death

was something less than patriotic?

You would be right if we lived under a fascist or communist dictatorship of some kind, but we do things differently here, don't we?

[Maribelle]

122. I dare you to stand before a platoon of Marines and sing your song.

Just one, hero. Just one.

[BuyingThyme]

124. Why, are you saying they're hateful and don't support our freedoms of speech?

Or are you saying they don't care about politicians voting to kill other Americans for absolutely no reason?

It's hard to follow your line of thought.

[Maribelle]

126. Using the death of an american solder for political gain - tell the Marines how you love doing this

And do take pictures, hero. I want to see your brave face.

[BuyingThyme]

127. So you think Marines wouldn't want Marine mothers to take up their needless deaths with politicians?

For politicians? Against politicians?

No offense, but I don't think you understand this whole democracy thing.

We're all supposed to do that. Mothers, fathers, friends, citizens,...

Everybody.

Always.

[Maribelle]

131. Ask them, hero

I dare you.

[BuyingThyme]

132. I'd do it in a second.

The big question is, why the hell wouldn't you?

[Maribelle]

133. Because I have one right here sick in bed.

[BuyingThyme]

135. And, what? Are you telling him you're telling somebody (me)

not to be politically active/outspoken in regards to the needless death and suffering?

I don't get this at all.

[Maribelle]

136. Try rereading your own posts, maybe you can clue yourself in.

[BuyingThyme]

137. Nope. Not getting it. Please explain.

[JVS]

72. Oh boy

[rodeodance]

73. Your MATURE obamafolk have asked you to take your flamebait down. Listen to the wise ones.

[berni_mccoy]

78. No. Face reality.

[rodeodance]

86. Go tell your mature Obamafolk that. You are foolish and make them look foolish

[berni_mccoy]

94. I'm sure the other Obama supporters do just fine with or without me.

And why do you have to post so much in every thread?

[rodeodance]

100. stay focused on your disgraceful OP.

[No Blood for Hubris]

76. This is completely inappropriate. You blame Bush for all those killed.

It's his war. Why don't you bitch about him? You don't, it's all hillaryhillaryhillary.

Stop making her the scapegoat.

[berni_mccoy]

79. I have blamed Bush. I still do. But Congress, including Clinton, gave him Authority.

And she is pretending to run on an Anti-war stance.

[RetroLounge]

80. Holy shit, are you a total asshole...

RL

[berni_mccoy]

83. Quite. Possibly.

[crim son]

89. The OP might have come up with a more delicate way of making

his case - not that it hasn't been made repeatedly already. Why did it take Hillary as long as it did to admit she'd made a mistake? My thought: she was trying to straddle the fence, to cover all her bases, as a practical matter. It must have been clear to her some time ago that she'd been wrong, but an apology... that would be taking a stand which could hurt her politically (I imagine her thinking). It does make me question her judgement, not because of her initial vote, but because of her unwillingness to acknowledge the error YEARS after it was made. Either she didn't grasp how badly she'd erred, or she thought strategically it would be the right thing to stick to her guns. Either way, it has been a mistake, and it may well have cost her the presidency.

edited for typo; there may be more!

[IndyOp]

91. Below the belt, berni. (n/t)

[berni_mccoy]

92. I do not agree. It is the one issue that so many DUer Clinton Supporters stand by but turn blind

for Clinton on. They just can't see how wrong she is. This is the only way to get them to face it.

Yes. It hurts. I know. But it hurts so much more for those of us who have been right about standing against the War from the beginning.

[rodeodance]

98. many of us do not stand by it as you say. --in fact we see it as wrong but

for to use a soldiers to diss her is beyond the pale.

[dailykoff]

101. She's made a practice of enabling RW military adventures.

IWR 2002, cluster bombs 2006, Kyl-Lieberman 2007, a Nov/Dec 2007 article in "Foreign Affairs" chock full of neocon red meat. It's not a little thing.

[rodeodance]

109. focus on the OP

[JohnnyLib2]

103. More will die in Iraq before President 44 makes changes , if indeed that happens.

It does not seem likely, right now, that HRC will be President 44. What are you left with then? What is the usefulness of posting such low blows?

[JVS]

104. But but but it was the politically expedient thing to do!

[rodeodance]

116. AND now it is politically expedient of you and OP to use the death of a soldier to make a statement?

[kdpeters]

105. Right on Bernie!!!

Remember that photo of the activist confronting Condi Rice with "blood" on her hands? Remember how we all cheered that action confronting her. Well, the Senate played a role and each Senator who voted "Yes" must confront the truth that they too bear responsibility for the bloodshed. They are all responsible and we must hold them all accountable -- including Democrats. As a Senator, there is no other duty of the office more sacred and somber than to decide whether to take this nation to war. They must own up to the consequences of that decision and the consequence is blood. I'm sorry if some people in this thread don't like being reminded of that. The men, women and children who actually have to pay the human price for that folly don't have that luxury of forgetting.

At least you get to tell your sons and daughters "Goodnight" tonight.

[Maribelle]

112. Using the death of an american soldier for political purposes as the op is doing is disgusting.

[rodeodance]

118. the mature Obamafolk have called her on it and OP just disses them!!

[rodeodance]

114. ASK THE MODS TO TAKE DOWN YOUR FLAMEBAIT

[Maribelle]

119. You're the one that needs to express regret-using this soldier's death for political gain

You should be ashamed because I am quite sure our brave America Military would be ashamed of you.

[From The Left]

123. Probably Not. Hillary Cares About Hillary. Not Casey

[Maribelle]

125. Oh great - yet another widdle boy chimes in.

[From The Left]

128. Typical, Downmarket, Hillary Defender Reply

[Maribelle]

130. You've got your big girl blouse on today, I see.

Hero

[From The Left]

134. We Get It. You're Trying to Get the Thread Locked. Pathetic.

[Yukari Yakumo]

138. No and why should she?

Cindy is a pariah to everyone except what few hangers-on she still have left.

[proud patriot]

140. I'm going to lock this

it has flamed out .