Ann Richards Supports Hillary Clinton from the Grave

[Avalux]

How pathetic can the Clinton campaign get? I think we are getting an answer to that here.

Hillary has put out a TV ad claiming Richards would support her. She got one of the three Richards children to cosign her argument and when the two objecting kids said they wouldn't sue her over it, they ran it anyway.

I wonder if Jesus is going to endorse Mike Huckabee? Will MLK endorse Obama? I hear Teddy Roosevelt is coming out for McCain.

http://tpmcafe.talkingpointsmemo.com/talk/2008/02/ann-richards-supports-hillary.php

This really upsets me. I LOVE Ann Richards. If she had run for president, I would have supported her without hesitation. She was funny, sincere and when she spoke she didn't stop to calculate. I saw the ad Clinton is running and of course it was done to try to sway people (women) like me who love Ann Richards.

I can only hope Texas Democrats are smart enough to see it for what it is - a desperate political stunt.

[Unsane]

1. Puke

[FrenchieCat]

2. Very pathetic.....

as we see over and over again.

[Bicoastal]

3. Are you sure it's on TV?--I thought it was only on the Internetz.

[Bucky]

4. On the plus side, at least we now have a counter attack to deal with Zombie Reagan

eeeeeat braaaiiinssss....

[jakem]

38. zombie reagan died dude...

they would have to bring in zombie-zombie-reagan!

[TomInTib]

5. And Molly Ivins is spinning in hers.

Cussing like a sailor, too.

Man, I'll bet she is really some kind of pissed off.

[ronnykmarshall]

6. Oh give me a fucking break!

Jesus.

[JackORoses]

18. so you disapprove of misusing a Dead Woman's legacy, as well?

I agree. It's downright reprehensible.

[GoreVidalIsGod]

7. Next up:

FDR's ghost endoreses Hillary!

[bigbrother05]

8. I saw this last night

and just stunned. Hillary is desperate, I hope your right and people see it for what it is.

[earthlover]

9. I wish the Hillary campaign had more respect for Richards' family than THAT!

[Hillary4USA]

10. Ann Richards WOULD WANT HILLARY!!

This is in good taste and this message is important. Anne Richard’s daughter said that her mother would campaign for Hillary with a passion and she approved this ad. Also, Ann campaigned for Bill Clinton for President. Bill and Hillary knew Ann for 30 years and they were close friends. Ann was a feminist and there is no question that she would approve of a woman in the White House. George Bush beat Ann for Gov. in the end. We know how Hillary and Bill feel about George Bush. Ann was an amazingly strong woman, and there is NO DOUBT that she would have campaigned for Hillary. Ann’s daughter said it was OK, and that is good enough!

[JTFrog]

11. Miss Cleo is that you?!? n/t

[Avalux]

12. Well hello there! I see you have your talking points together.

Ann is not here to say who she'd support, so how on earth can you say "NO DOUBT"? She never had the opportunity to consider Obama. Nice try.

[hisownpetard]

14. Ann Richards is, however, dead. And how dare anyone presume to speak for her,

posthumously? Her son strongly objected to the HRC ad, but it was aired anyway.

How can you possibly say there is "NO DOUBT" she would have campaigned for Hillary when Obama
was not even a candidate at the time of her death?

[JackORoses]

19. How do you know what a dead woman wants?

Two of her children objected to this and were told that Hillary would run it unless they sued.

In other words, unless they were willing to shell out cash to take it to court, Hillary was going to disregard their objections.
So that is exactly what happened.

What's next? Susan B. Anthony and Mother Theresa supporting Hillary?

[Hepburn]

26. Tell us....

...how much did you pay for the crystal ball you seem to be using?

:eyes:

[anigbrowl]

53. What an amazing first post. Way to go!

Sucks to be you, but welcome to DU anyway.

[Pryderi]

13. "Senator, you're no Ann Richards" n/t

[stop the bleeding]

15. Has anyone seen this commercial?

this may go beyond the line

on edit: who in the fuck would nominate this thread??

[From The Left]

16. Shame on you, Hillary Clinton!

[Recursion]

17. Someone quotes Ivins' repudiation of Clinton and endorsement of Obama...

...and a bunch of Clinton supporters say "she's dead, you can't do that."

The Clinton campaign pulls out of their collective asses the notion that Richards would have supported them, with no citations or quotes, and that's fine...

[nonconformist]

20. Didn't some of the Kennedys that endorsed Obama invoke JFK and RFK's names?

Yeah, they did.

[bigbrother05]

23. Yeah, just like the Kennedys that endorsed HRC.

Imagine that, members of a large family split on who they like in the primaries.

[dysfunctional press]

24. only in comparing obama to THEIR kin...i don't remember them saying that either would endorse him...

no, they didn't.

[nonconformist]

32. I wonder if they would have had JFK/RFK were close personal friends of Obama

Until they died less than two years ago.

[dysfunctional press]

35. doubtful- they would surely show much more class than that.

nt

[nonconformist]

39. I seem to remember Caroline's endorsement being titled "A President Like My Father"

But of course, nobody had any problems with that - even though other members of the Kennedy clan disagreed.

[dysfunctional press]

40. and she was expressing her personal opinion- not saying that her father would support him.

nt

[nonconformist]

42. Then take it up with Ann's daughter

But I still say that if JFK had only died a year and a half ago, and was a close personal friend of Obama's, and had campaigned on his behalf in the past, you'd be hearing the same thing.

[dysfunctional press]

43. it's ALL moot come wednesday.

hillary will have PLENTY of time for coulda, woulda, shoulda's- and this will just be another one. :shrug:

[casus belli]

21. Thta's what happens when you don't have enough living supporters. n/t

[bigbrother05]

22. Met Ann & Cecile Richards years ago.

Cecile is a long time Dem activist in her own right who worked closely with/for her mother.

bio: http://www.ppaction.org/ppvotes/cr_bio.html

No way to know for sure what Ann herself would say, but trust Cecile's sincerity. It's a shame the HRC campaign overrode the wishes of two of the kids, but that's a problem for them, not Cecile IMO.

BTW, Obama supporter here.

[yourguide]

25. Her sons spoke out

very loudly against HRC using Ann in this ad.

[nonconformist]

27. Are her sons even Democrats? nt

[yourguide]

28. who is HRC to assume that Ann would

support her instead of Obama.

From AP:

"But sons Dan and Clark Richards, partners at an Austin law firm, say nobody can know who the outspoken and opinionated former governor would have supported in the race between Clinton and Barack Obama.

"As her children, we never presumed to know her mind when alive and we are not prepared to make a claim as to who she would endorse or what she would do if she were still with us," they wrote in an e-mail last week. "We are not granting permission for her name to be used in advertisements on behalf of either candidate."

[nonconformist]

29. HRC isn't the one who said that - Ann's daughter did. nt

[yourguide]

31. And ann's sons disagree.

[nonconformist]

33. So? Her daughter can still have an opinion.

Again I ask... do we even know if her sons are Democrats? Because from what I've read, they don't support either Hillary or Obama.

[yourguide]

34. From what I've read

they are not publicly supporting ANY candidate and rightly feel that no one should presume who Ann would have chosen.

sorry, if you have to dig up the dead to give your campaign some life then you have a serious problem.

[nonconformist]

36. Again, Ann's DAUGHTER is the one saying her mother would have supported Hillary.

And really, it's not much of a stretch, considering that Ann was close to the Clintons and had campaigned on their behalf previously.

And nobody seemed to think that it was in bad taste to invoke the names of the dead when some of the Kennedys were doing that for Obama.

[yourguide]

37. And the two SONS disagree.

and I suspect if they have issue with this, they are supporting Obama. If they felt strongly about Clinton I would suspect they wouldnt be airing these concerns.

And Obama isnt running ads featuring Kennedy period.

[nonconformist]

41. SO WHAT.

Not all of the Kennedys agreed, either. Why can't one of Ann's daughters make a commercial if she wants to?

This is stupid, you are letting your irrational hate of Hillary cloud all reason.

[yourguide]

44. No all of the Kennedy's DIDNT agree

but you dont see Obama's campaign drudging up the dead to appear in his ads claiming to know who he would have endorsed.

Ann's daughter doesnt know who Ann would have supported, period. She could try and guess and assume but it appears the other two sons feel differently so perhaps if the children dont agree it would be smart NOT to lend images of the dead parent out to the campaign.

what's stupid is letting your irrational support cloud your reason.

[nonconformist]

45. My irrational support?

That's pretty hilarious, since I was an Edwards supporter.

Ann's daughter can say whatever she wants to. She supports Hillary and thinks her mother would, too. That's her right. She knew her better than we do.

And I also think it's pretty funny that you assume her sons back Obama. I still say there is no evidence they're even Democrats. How would you feel if it was discovered that they're not and actually back McCain?

[yourguide]

46. It's also even more hilarious because I

was an edwards supporter as well.

Yes, Ann's daughter can say whatever she wants but if you have 4 children and half of them say hold up a moment, YOU cant predict who she would have picked it would have been far more gracious for the campaign to pull the ad. Instead they pulled the photos of the family. Ann's daughter didnt even ask her siblings.

However had you done your due diligence, instead of throwing out this McCain hypothetical you would have researched the donor records and found that at least one of the two sons has donated dem:

http://www.newsmeat.com/fec/bystate_detail.php?city=AUSTIN&st=TX&last=richards&first=daniel

So, Daniel is a dem and he objects to this. Now what?

You HRC supporters are hilarious...you assume because someone doesnt support HRC then he/she is a republican.

[nonconformist]

47. Didn't you upthread assume that they were both Obama supporters?

Even though there's no evidence of that at all?

It's not ridiculous to question whether they're even Democrats or not. Honestly, that assumption isn't out of left field, because Obama is getting a lot of support from Republicans. In fact, there was a thread here recently that quoted an article that crunched the numbers and had determined that registered Democrats are voting for Hillary and Obama is leading only because of cross-over voters, motives still yet unknown.

[yourguide]

48. I didnt assume...

I looked up the records.

At least one is a donating dem. It's a pretty safe assumption that the kids are all dems but lets stick with the one now proven. So now what, 1 daughter feels strongly that she would have. 2 sons feel strongly that it shouldnt be assumed. 1 child seems to have stayed outside of this.

So again, with the one son a KNOWN dem who has objection to this plus a second son dont you find it not only presumptuous but in poor taste to dig up the dead as a weak attempt to breathe life into the campaign?

[nonconformist]

49. Again, I say her daughter has every right to speak out as she see's fit.

And I would say the same if the situation were reversed.

And to quibble, this is what you said before you found one of her sons has donated to two LOCAL Democrats:

"And the two SONS disagree.

Edited on Sun Mar-02-08 02:08 PM by yourguide
and I suspect if they have issue with this, they are supporting Obama."

[yourguide]

50. Yes but does her daughter

have the right to authorize the use of those images against the wishes of those two sons? one of them a proven dem?

And yes, I still suspect that if the two sons have issue with it they are probably supporting Obama. There would be far less an issue if they were gung-ho HRC.

Sorry, and it's NOT a far stretch to assume all of the lovely Ann Richard's children are dems. It's just shameful that you'd automatically assume because they were against it they were supporting McCain.

Keep talking yourself into a corner, the fact remains that the family is split on who Ann would have supported but why would HRC respect ALL of Ann's family when it's politically advantageous to her to take the word of one although two others strongly object.

[kdpeters]

51. What does that matter?

Or does politics trump sacred family bonds to Hillary supporters?

[nonconformist]

52. Well if they are, that kind of makes their objections biased, no? nt

[NC_Nurse]

30. What is this? A bad remake of Weekend at Bernie's?

:crazy: