My success story of the day -- changing one mind at a time

[MagsDem]

I try, everyday, to make sure at least one person I meet gets to know the real Obama, through me. Someone mentioned in another thread that I won't be able to speak out against Obama here if he gets the nomination. I accept that. I've been reading and posting here for a long time, and I understand the rules. But I still want to feel I am doing my part for my party in making sure Obama does not get elected. So today I pulled up my database and made some calls to clients in Ohio and Texas.

HRC supporters, I am happy to report a 100% success rate with 20 plus calls over the past 2 days. I focused on his healthcare proposal. That seemed simplist since that is my business, and the business of my clients. I converted 6 Obama supporters to HRC supporters, and all on the fence voters to solid for HRC.

It was a good day. More calls tomorrow and Friday. :)

[scheming daemons]

1. Good Job! John McCain thanks you!

:eyes:

[MagsDem]

3. It's amazing how people respond to facts

Of course these folks all understand healthcare economics, so once you get into the details they see that BO is full of shit pretty quickly on an issue that is very important to them.

[Usrename]

154. It's not so amazing how some people will not respond to facts.

There are many differing opinions about their plans:

Although their plans are very similar, much of the recent campaign debate has centered on their difference over individual mandates, which are included in Clinton's plan but only apply to children in Obama's. Clinton has argued that Obama's plan is not universal, as many would choose not to buy health insurance. Obama contends that people will buy health insurance if it is made affordable.

This is a significant difference, as most health care policy experts believe a voluntary plan can at best cover 95 percent of those eligible. On the other hand, this difference is less than meets the eye because Obama's plan, unlike Clinton's, includes automatic enrollment in the public plan for anyone who is employed and does not have access to quality affordable coverage. As a result, Obama's plan would likely lead to higher enrollment in the public option than Clinton's, which many health policy experts believe is the best way to effectively control health care costs.

http://www.madison.com/tct/opinion/column/272528

It's difficult to find reasonable opinions from people who are knowledgeable and who do not have a dog in this fight.

It is also nearly impossible to find anyone who will respond to this alternate point of view. It's like it doesn't even exist.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=132&topic_id=4800131&mesg_id=4806677

[Skip Intro]

179. rediculous, but expected

:eyes: :eyes: :eyes:

[Ian David]

2. I forgive you. n/t

[MagsDem]

4. It was my pleasure, truly

[Ian David]

6. Some day, you'll lose sleep over it. n/t

[MagsDem]

15. That's what I used to say about Bush in 2000, and I was right

I'm right this time too. He'd be a disaster for our party.

[Ian David]

94. So you're admitting you're a Republican? n/t

[MagsDem]

104. Yeah, I knew Bush was a joke in 2000, so that makes me a republican.

I think there should be a mandatory logic class for all Obama supporters.

[Ian David]

110. Either that, or you're just not communicating clearly. n/t

[mwb970]

5. This is completely incomprehensible to me.

But I still want to feel I am doing my part for my party in making sure Obama does not get elected.

Sorry, but on the planet I live on this makes no sense. What else are you planning to do for your Republican party?

[MagsDem]

12. I'm a 30 yr democrat, in fact

So my party, at least for now, is still the democratic party. HRC will do a much better job for our party than Obama. This makes no sense on the planet you live on because you live on Obama la la land where he is the demi-god and no other candidates exist.

[ginantonic40]

27. projection

In the planet I live on Obama seems to be the candidate that is connecting with voters in a way the Clinton is not. He seems to be the candidate that looks to be the popular choice of Democratic voters. On my planet Hillary Clinton is a fine Democratic candidate who doesn't look like she's going to close the deal. On my planet I'd support, advocate and vote for either one in a general election. On my planet your last sentence is known as projection.

[MagsDem]

31. "Seems" being the operative word

Because the popular vote totals are only 200-300K apart, and he is only 80-100 delegates ahead. Now I realize the media is painting a different story, but most of you BO supporters are practically off the rails with this meme that everyone loves him and everyone hates her. A reality pill might do you some good.

[ginantonic40]

54. I just want

a decent Democratic candidate that starts moving the country forward. Both Clinton and Obama fill that requirement. I happen to prefer Obama for various reasons; some tangible, some intangible. I sense that you have a little more invested in this process than I would consider healthy (the love/hate dicotomy is a little creepy). So we'll just leave it at that. Good luck.

[mwb970]

29. Well, what you say may be right. For you.

When I see Obama speak I feel so proud and excited, the way I felt about JFK and RFK and MLK (all those K's!) back in the day. When I see Hillary speak I am tremendously impressed by her intelligence, her poise, and her ideas, but I just don't feel any excitement. Nothing. I think I may finally be tired of the Clintons (and I have been a huge fan of theirs all along).

Don't get me wrong. Hillary is a great candidate, but I am skeptical about her electability. The righties hate her. And, crucially, she just doesn't excite or interest me the way Barack does. So I have happily taken up residence in "Obama la la land," as you call it. And you know what? I'm not alone here!

[Blue_Roses]

90. You live on Hillary la la land

and you are one of the most bitter Hillary supporters on here.

[Silent Tristero]

120. Don't Abandon Faith

I salute you Mags, keep following your conscience for it will inevitably lead you to the hope and true light that shines only from the eyes of the one true Obama (peace be unto him). Oh you may toil today turning the ears of many against the words of truth and hope but like Saul on the road to Damascus, one day that light will find you as well (and more will be our joy on that blessed day).

Our most sacred campaign literature, the Baracavad Gita tells us not to love our enemies (for we have none), but only fellow supporters who have not contributed to the campaign yet. It is with that great hope that one day soon you will cast aside all of your "issues" and "policies," don a saffron robe and join us all in our chant of "O-Bama Pame Hum."


Peace be unto thee. ;)

[judaspriestess]

171. are you serious?

"one true Obama" "don a saffron robe and chant"?

are you serious?

[Silent Tristero]

202. Ah,........No.

It just seemed to me that ol Mags, in this and other recent threads was coming dangerously close to leaving her designated bridge in dire jeopardy of a billy goat attack so rather than any direct attempt to reason with her I would instead magnify some of her more absurd "cult like" criticism of Obama supporters. It must be tiring to get so exasperated over substantially baseless caricatures and I hoped that by carrying her accusations to their illogical conclusions then perhaps she'd see herself the way others see her. Either that or I'd give her all the proof she needed to further expose this devious Democratic party destroying cult of Obama.

And you bust me on the saffron robes but let me slide on the "O-Bama Padme Hum" chant? What's up with that?

[angie_love]

7. you have no life.

[KLee]

8. Hillary Clinton thanks you for your support....

"But I still want to feel I am doing my part for my party"

Are you doing your part for your party though, with all these attacks on Obama? Obama and Hillary are on the same side, ie...Democratic Party. Maybe you meant to say doing your part for Hillary Clinton, that comes off better. I thought our real enemy was John McCain.

Peace~

[rodeodance]

80. and thank you--isn't it a grand morning~~

[Window]

9. I'm sure you will continue to have a 100% success rate.

If you spew your hatred of Obama to them like you do here on DU, people will probably agree to anything just to get off the damned with you...and then run like hell to vote for Obama.

[MagsDem]

10. LOL -- well they aren't moronic kool aid drinkers

So the conversations do go quite differently. :) I just give them the facts.

[Window]

20. Same shit, different day...you're tiresome.

Bye.

[rodeodance]

153. I am 9/10 success--I keep it positive. --unlike your vile text post.

I'm sure you will continue to have a 100% success rate.
Posted by Window


If you spew your hatred of Obama to them like you do here on DU, people will probably agree to anything just to get off the damned with you...and then run like hell to vote for Obama.

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[MagsDem]

13. Well since she up in the polls in both states...

I think of it more as adding to her victories there. :)

[cali]

17. um, no. she is not up in TX,. Try informing yourself a little bit

It's all tied up in TX according to all the polls over the last few days- and there have been quite a few of them. She's up no more than 8 pts in OH. If you had a functioning brain cell or two that hadn't been burned out by hate, you'd know that Obama has a far more established and deeper ground game in both states, and a ton more money- that he's spending on TV ads and GOTV efforts. And here in Vermont, he's going to win in a blowout and due to our arcane delegate distribution rules, he'll get almost all our few delegates, making it a much more important win for him than it would be otherwise. Odds are great that despite your valiant efforts, Obama will come out of next Tuesday with more delegates than Hillary. Better get to work for McCain, dear.

[MagsDem]

19. Maybe the polls you are seeing (n/t)

[cali]

22. Nope. He's up in the new Rasmussen, SUSA and PPP polls.

Post one poll that has her up outside the MOE that's been published within the last 5 days or so. As they say, you're entitled to your own opinion but not your own facts.

[MagsDem]

28. Okay, well we'll see, won't we?

And it appears that between the two of us, you're the one that wants her own set of facts.

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2008/president/tx/texas_democratic_primary-312.html#polls

[cali]

33. From your own link: PROOF that you are the one who want their own facts

02/16 - 02/25 - 47.7 46.5 Obama +1.2
InsiderAdvantage 02/25 - 02/25 592 LV 47 46 Obama +1.0
SurveyUSA 02/23 - 02/25 704 LV 49 45 Obama +4.0
Rasmussen 02/24 - 02/24 646 LV 45 46 Clinton +1.0
PPP (D) 02/23 - 02/24 433 LV 48 48 Tie
CNN 02/22 - 02/24 861 LV 50 46 Obama +4.0
ABC/Wash Post 02/16 - 02/20 603 LV 47 48 Clinton +1.0

Obama is up in 4 of the listed polls. Clinton is up in 2. One is tied.

YOU are the one who claimed she was up in the polls. I said it was all tied up.

YOU are full of it- as always.

[MagsDem]

37. All right, I'll let you in on a little secret

Internal polling from both campaigns show him trailing. Not all polls are published. ;)

[scheming daemons]

40. And you know this how? at best, you only know Hillary's internal polls....

....I seriously doubt you have any inside information on Obama's internals.

[MagsDem]

45. LOL - you're right, I don't

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/story/2008/02/27/ST2008022703658.html

"Internal polling shows Obama trailing in both states, although the gap is narrowing."

[cali]

53. bwahahahaha!!

You don't know the most basic things about how campaigns operate. Jeezus, I learned this stuff 30 years ago when working on the Carter campaign. Just pathetic.

[MagsDem]

60. Yeah, okay.... just calm down

They did say that even though he is behind, it is narrowing. He still has the chance to tie her in TX at least.

[mwb970]

128. Why do maddening people always say "just calm down"?

When you speak out against their crap they pull out the "calm down" card. I'm sick of it.

[cali]

I'll let you in on a little secret:

I don't believe on word out of your dirty little keyboard. And way to move the goal posts: First you claim she's ahead in the polls, then you try and hold to that when confronted with evidence that you're full of it, and now you're claiming to know the internal polling from both camps. And if you know jackshit about political campaigns you know not to trust Axelrod's lowering of expectations. It's something he's done quite a bit in this campaign- when he obviously knew they were ahead. In a close race, you do NOT want your people to relax for a freakin' second.

[MagsDem]

49. She is ahead in the polls in BOTH states

You really need to read more.

[cali]

55. Sorry, dear. The polls say that you are wrong.

Now continue with your delusional crap.

[MagsDem]

59. Don't be so lazy -- read

"Internal polling shows Obama trailing in both states, although the gap is narrowing."

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/story/2008/02/27/ST2008022703658.html

[cali]

64. Try to grasp this:

campaigns often give out less than accurate info on their internals for any number of reasons. It's not hard to recognize that Axelrod wants to keep staff and volunteers highly motivated in a tough race. duh.

[MagsDem]

76. I see, so Alexrod is a liar

Sure, I can believe that. But given that fact, makes it kind of hard for you to claim my post isn't accurate, now doesn't? You can hardly say I am wrong about her being ahead in the polls when Obama's own manager is saying it, now can you?

Don't you know by now I suck people in and let them dig their grave before I nail the coffin shut? Don't you hate that I had that info all along? I'm hardly new to the political scene. You'd think you would have figured that out by now.

[cali]

85. I proved you were wrong by posting the polls for TX.

You don't know the internals of either campaign and neither do I. And yes, pollyanna, campaign strategists frequently leak misleading information.

And no, you haven't cleverly trapped me into anything- except in your delusional little world. People are laughing at you in your own thread, and poking fun at your egocentrism and bullshit. Sad that you can't see that, dearie.

[MagsDem]

89. Give it up -- you shot off your mouth and you got hosed by...

your own candidates campaign manager. Now either I am correct or he is a liar. Take your pick.

[cali]

96. LOL!

I love your delusional nonsense. You are such an easy target. Can't wait for your next thread. It's delicious to demantle your nonsense.

Oh, and my best guess is that Axelrod is leaking misleading information. We'll see in a few days. I look forward to your reaction if Obama wins TX. And if he wins both OH and TX? Well, I like to see certain heads explode. It's fun.

[MagsDem]

100. Look up the term earned media

And then tell me how smart it is to burn a WaPo reporter and get caught. But you know, it's fine with me if you want to admit Alexrod is a liar. I would tend to agree with you on that.

[cali]

112. you are clueless.

Reporters expect this stuff from campaigns. And Axelrod is a prince compared to the vile Mark Penn, who really is human waste.

[MagsDem]

118. Okay, you win... Obama and his people are lying

Happy now?

[yodermon]

150. Axelrod pwnd you

glad to see he's managed your expectations successfully! :toast:

[Blue_Roses]

97. look, I live in Texas

and while this may blow your bubble wide open, Obama is not only up in the polls here, he's blowing Hillary away. I did a little straw polling myself while waiting in a long line to vote. People are turned off by Hillary. We know all too well that the "scolding" and "berating" won't get the job done

Hillary is a good person and I like her, but she's more of the same when it comes to the temperament we've seen the last seven years. Stomping and whining didn't cut it with Bush either.

[rodeodance]

137. strange-----I view BO as more of the same.

[HCE SuiGeneris]

157. 48% Obama 44% Clinton... but don't let a silly thing like FACTS get in the way

Texas Democratic Presidential Primary
Texas: Obama 48% Clinton 44%
Thursday, February 28, 2008

Barack Obama has moved ahead of Hillary Clinton in Texas.

The latest Rasmussen Reports telephone survey shows Obama attracting 48% of the vote while Clinton earns 44%. Eight percent (8%) remain undecided and another 12% say it’s possible they could change their mind. That latter figure includes 3% who say there’s a good chance they could change their mind.

http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/election_20082/2008_presidential_election/texas/texas_democratic_presidential_primary

Texas Democratic Primary
Tuesday, March 4 | Delegates at Stake: 228



Texas Democratic Primary
Polling Data
Poll Date Sample Obama Clinton Spread
RCP Average 02/16 - 02/27 - 48.2 46.2 Obama +2.0
Rasmussen 02/27 - 02/27 503 LV 48 44 Obama +4.0
InsiderAdvantage 02/25 - 02/25 592 LV 47 46 Obama +1.0
SurveyUSA 02/23 - 02/25 704 LV 49 45 Obama +4.0
PPP (D) 02/23 - 02/24 433 LV 48 48 Tie
CNN 02/22 - 02/24 861 LV 50 46 Obama +4.0
ABC/Wash Post 02/16 - 02/20 603 LV 47 48 Clinton +1.0

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2008/president/tx/texas_democratic_primary-312.html

[Window]

23. LOL!

:rofl:



Peace:thumbsup:

[rodeodance]

70. OP inspires me to get on the phone today.

[WillyT]

14. Too Little... Too Late...

:shrug:

[MagsDem]

16. We'll see

I think what most BO supporters forget is the Clinton's have helped make the careers of many of the super delegates, and the expected swarm you are counting on may not happen if the popular vote is close, which it is. If Obama wins, and that is still a good if, she is going to be calling some shots, whether you like it or not.

If Obama gets the nod there is no way he is going to win the GE. You say her negatives are so high, and act like he is beloved because you believe the media coverage. But reality is only 200K votes separate them in the primary popular vote totals. If people hate her so much does that mean they hate him only slightly less?

We'll see if your cocky attitude is justified. You keep counting them chickens though, okay?

[KLee]

30. Facts?

Distortion:

"But reality is only 200K votes separate them in the primary popular vote totals"

Fact:

Popular Vote Totals
Obama = 10,305,403 Clinton = 9,379,822

[Greyskye]

197. (counting on fingers and toes...)

10,305,403 - 9,379,822 = 925,581.

In her world, almost a million = 200,000.

Who drank the kool-aid now? :shrug:

[WVRevy]

38. Hey genius, it isn't DEMOCRATS that hate her...

...for the most part. It's independents and Repugs that can't stand the sight of her. It's independents and Repugs that will come out in DROVES, not to support their weak-ass candidate, but to vote AGAINST Hillary Clinton. Democrats know that the VAST majority of the mud thrown at Hillary since the first day Bill Clinton took the Oval Office was nothing more than hate and lies. Yet she is still LOSING the Democratic primaries on about a weekly basis. You aren't dumb enough to think that's because all of the Obama supporters are know-nothing "kool aid drinkers" are you? Particularly seeing as how the most highly educated demographics support him, not her?

[cali]

66. SDs are abandoning Clinton. Quite a few have switched

and she's gotten very few in endorsements in the last week. What you don't seem to realize is that there are a substantial number of Congressional dems who don't support Clinton. You should, but you don't. He's narrowed the SD gap considerably, and you can expect that to continue. Unlike you, most SDs see the writing on the wall.

As for your silly little predictions, they're easily seen as wishful thinking born from your hatred of Obama. Any knowledgable person knows he has a good chance of winning the general.

And you've been counting chickens constantly, claiming hillary will win in TX and OH. She may well not.

[yourguide]

18. Just curious

what do you say to your "respected clients" about who is the REAL obama?

give us the pitch please.

[MagsDem]

21. Health care

I work in health care regulation. So we pretty much stick to that. He made it really easy for me with that remark about Medicare at the debate. He tried to support his no mandate position by claiming that the reason people opt in to Medicare part B is because it is cheap. Now my clients are in this business and they know that what makes the Medicare part B supplement cheap is the large pool of people enrolled in Medicare part A. Once I quoted them that statement it was all over. He is either stupid or lying was the basic response. :)

[yourguide]

26. Considering the point of his statement

in the debate was that people enroll in it because it's cheap, your analogy doesnt work.

He didnt say WHY Medicare B was cheap, he said people enroll in it BECAUSE it's cheap.

Next...

[MagsDem]

34. I think you didn't pay enough attention

He said people will sign up for healthcare IF it's cheap as a way to justify not having mandates, and she said it can't be cheap unless we have everyone in the pool. And my clients understand her statement to be reality because that is their business, as it is mine. Most of them had watched the debate and come to the conclusion that he either doesn't understand the realities of health care economics or he was lying. The rest came to the same conclusion when we discussed it.

[yourguide]

41. OK

so you guys would rather follow HRCs plan with no details as to how to fund it or what the subsidies are? That's the Fairy Tale.

[MagsDem]

48. I guess you haven't read her plan -- the details are there

And this country has always had the ability to enact such a plan, just not the will to do it.

[yourguide]

56. I have read the plan

show me where the subsidy amounts are located?

Also, she had 8 years to get it done - 4 years with a dem congress and she couldnt get it done. What makes you think she can get it done now?

[rodeodance]

162. and here is here proposal to end child poverty:

Forum Name General Discussion: Primaries
Topic subject Clinton to unveil plan to end Child Poverty---today in OHIO
Topic URL http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=132x4807440#4807440
4807440, Clinton to unveil plan to end Child Poverty---today in OHIO
Posted by rodeodance on Thu Feb-28-08 08:30 AM

So glad to see this---

http://www.democrats.org/page/community/post/truth2008/CpnC

Clinton to unveil plan to end Child Poverty
……- Feb 28th, 2008 at 8:28 am EST


Any parent or those concerned for our nations future will appreciate this. A detailed plan to help the children.


HANGING ROCK, Ohio - Democrat Hillary Rodham Clinton is offering a plan to improve childhood nutrition and setting a goal to reduce by half the 12 million youngsters living in poverty over the next dozen years.

A package of proposals, to be unveiled Thursday, includes a "comprehensive" early education initiative that starts with nurse's visits for pregnant women, lets children begin the Head Start program earlier and calls for universal pre-kindergarten programs.
…………

She was to spell out her proposals in a speech at the child care development center on Ohio University's southern campus.

……………
Clinton said she would direct her agriculture secretary to develop a plan to end childhood hunger. The nutrition effort would come largely through signing up more people for the food stamp program and expanding its benefits.

School breakfast programs would be universal in low-income neighborhoods under her proposal. She also would double the size of a summer nutrition program aimed at feeding low-income children when they aren't in school.

…………..

In addition, Clinton was calling for stronger programs aimed at cutting teen pregnancy as well as toughening child support enforcement programs to "support responsible fatherhood."

Clinton argues that roughly 12.9 million children live in poverty, with about 5 million living in extreme poverty. That means their families have incomes of less than half the federal poverty level.

……….
"While we celebrate America as a place where an individual's circumstances at birth should not determine his or her life chances, the fact is that economic mobility is now in decline in America," Clinton's background documents say. "Children born in poverty are likely to live in poverty their whole lives."

The effort to provide nursing care for pregnant women builds on a program she shaped as first lady of Arkansas, a program she said has been

[MagsDem]

67. The funding is well detailed

The subsidies can not be worked out until the costs per individual are worked out, obviously. The MA plan represents a worse case scenario because it doesn't include the addition of govt negotiated plans like FEHBP, or completely govt funded plans like Medicare. Until we know exactly how many people would tend toward which plans we can't know what subsidies will be needed. That's not actually the important part though -- it's the bottom line costs per family that matter. The MA data is published -- starts at $109 per month for someone making $26K per yr (I believe under that income you go on govt or SCHIP type plan), and goes up to $300 per month for folks making $40K and up. Remember, a national plan should be able to ensure lower costs than that. I have also seen some independent studies that estimate $2200 per yr for a family of four for Hillary, and $4200 for Obama's.

[yourguide]

71. right

"The subsidies can not be worked out until the costs per individual are worked out" your quote.

and there you have it, the "mystery plan" with mandates that doesnt show how someone who cant afford it can be covered.

and again I ask: she had 8 years to get it done - 4 years with a dem congress and she couldnt get it done. What makes you think she can get it done now?

[rodeodance]

75. Here is some real hope by Clinton to end child poverty: OHIO today:

Forum Name General Discussion: Primaries
Topic subject Clinton to unveil plan to end Child Poverty---today in OHIO
Topic URL http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=132x4807440#4807440
4807440, Clinton to unveil plan to end Child Poverty---today in OHIO
Posted by rodeodance on Thu Feb-28-08 08:30 AM

So glad to see this---

http://www.democrats.org/page/community/post/truth2008/CpnC

Clinton to unveil plan to end Child Poverty
……- Feb 28th, 2008 at 8:28 am EST


Any parent or those concerned for our nations future will appreciate this. A detailed plan to help the children.


HANGING ROCK, Ohio - Democrat Hillary Rodham Clinton is offering a plan to improve childhood nutrition and setting a goal to reduce by half the 12 million youngsters living in poverty over the next dozen years.

A package of proposals, to be unveiled Thursday, includes a "comprehensive" early education initiative that starts with nurse's visits for pregnant women, lets children begin the Head Start program earlier and calls for universal pre-kindergarten programs.
…………

She was to spell out her proposals in a speech at the child care development center on Ohio University's southern campus.

……………
Clinton said she would direct her agriculture secretary to develop a plan to end childhood hunger. The nutrition effort would come largely through signing up more people for the food stamp program and expanding its benefits.

School breakfast programs would be universal in low-income neighborhoods under her proposal. She also would double the size of a summer nutrition program aimed at feeding low-income children when they aren't in school.

…………..

In addition, Clinton was calling for stronger programs aimed at cutting teen pregnancy as well as toughening child support enforcement programs to "support responsible fatherhood."

Clinton argues that roughly 12.9 million children live in poverty, with about 5 million living in extreme poverty. That means their families have incomes of less than half the federal poverty level.

……….
"While we celebrate America as a place where an individual's circumstances at birth should not determine his or her life chances, the fact is that economic mobility is now in decline in America," Clinton's background documents say. "Children born in poverty are likely to live in poverty their whole lives."

The effort to provide nursing care for pregnant women builds on a program she shaped as first lady of Arkansas, a program she said has been

[MagsDem]

83. Did you read the post? You asked a question and I took...

valuable time to answer you seriously. Now, can you tell me why the exact amount of the subsidies are important to you when we have estimates of the cost to the govt and the after subsidy cost to the individual and family? Or are you just not so good with math?

[yourguide]

92. Because if we

have the estimates of the costs, we should be able to estimate the subsidies so that ALL are covered. With no estimate of the subsidies, even based on something as simple as census data, it doesnt show HOW those who cannot afford it can be covered. Theres not even enough there to show at what percentage those who cant afford it can be covered. Will the govt subsidize 90% or 10% of the cost to those? And if so, how will that be determined?

It's apparently you who are not so good with math if you cant see there is nothing concrete there.

AGAIN I ASK, she had 8 years to get it done - 4 years with a dem congress and she couldnt get it done. What makes you think she can get it done now?

[MagsDem]

117. No, that's not correct

The plan offers choices between medicare, FEHBP, and commercial insurance. And it also requires small businesses to offer healthcare and subsidizes those as well. You can know what the total govt outlay will be in approximate terms, and get good estimates of individual costs. And I have previously posted about them. But the subsidies can't be determined until we know how people distribute themselves across those choices. If you don't understand that I don't think you want to understand it.

And save the rethug talking points about HRC and 15 yrs ago. It's truly disgusting to watch democrats blaming a democrat for the fact that corporate health insurance interests and asshole republicans destroyed this country's chance at affordable healthcare 15 yrs ago, particularly when roughly 20K people die each year in this country because they don't have healthcare coverage.

And by the way, she got SCHIP done just fine. Do you know how many families and children that has helped. Obama's record -- NOTHING. NO ONE.

[yourguide]

129. AND IT STILL DOESNT SAY HOW SHE PAYS FOR IT!

This is VERY friggin simple, ridiculously simple. Pick a cap wage rate, add in the number of unemployed, add in children of those folks, estimate average health cost per person, estimate average insurance cost per person under this plan and estimate the subsidy.

And I am flipping sick of you HRC supporters inferring those of us dare questioning the queen and her coronation as rethugs.A republican is not asking this question, someone who voted for friggin kucinich in the 2004 primary is asking this question. This is not a "talking point" this is a valid friggin concern. Instead of working with everyone, INCLUDING a democratic congress for part of the administration, she FOUGHT everyone and got NOTHING done. She is my state senator and she has gotten NOTHING done for this state.

And "she got SCHIP done just fine"??? What are you talking about??? Kennedy is widely viewed as the driving force behind the program, HRC just put some pressure on it. And for the record, that is a far cry from both her Universal Health Care promise way back when AND those 200,000 promised jobs for Buffalo.

[MagsDem]

135. Yes, she does....

http://www.hillaryclinton.com/feature/healthcareplan/americanhealthchoicesplan.pdf

Now you can continue to pretend she doesn't, but she does outline it very well. And sorry, but you are just plain mentally challenged if you can't figure out that the subsidy will vary depending on the plan you choose, income level, and number of family members. If you'd like to see an example the data from MA is available on the MA gov web site. It has charts and everything, since it appears you need a picture drawn for you.

SCHIP -- you're full of shit:

http://www.boston.com/news/nation/articles/2007/10/06/clinton_claims_credit_for_child_program/

If you have a beef about why that is a far cry from universal healthcare you should take it up with republicans.

[yourguide]

141. I am not "pretending" she doesnt

there is no THERE, there and you cant seem to tell me either - you cant seem to tell me any specifics other than, oh there is going to be a subsidy.

And you might want to read that SCHIP article, quoted from the article:

"While Kennedy is widely viewed as the driving force behind the program, by all accounts the former first lady's pressure was crucial."

Oh and yeah, I do have a beef about it, not only will I take it up with the republicans, I will NOT vote for the Democrat that COULDNT get it done for 8 years after promising it.

After reading your responses it's apparently you have a vested interest anyway, smells like a lobbyist and boy does THAT stink.

[MagsDem]

149. Like Bushbots, Obamabots are impervious to facts

Both her plan and Obama's have been analyzed by health care economists, there are numbers in the pdf link I provided you, and you can look at comparative data from MA. The information IS available, you just don't want to read it or even accept that it exists.

On SCHIP: "The children's health program wouldn't be in existence today if we didn't have Hillary pushing for it from the other end of Pennsylvania Avenue," Kennedy told The Associated Press.

Can you read that? WOULDN'T BE IN EXISTENCE TODAY

Now tell us what healthcare successes Obama has had? None.

[yourguide]

151. ROFL...

I think it's the other way around, Kennedy just offered her some kind words.

Sorry, she couldnt get universal health care done, and her program doesnt specify what I am asking, and you cant ANSWER what I am asking.

I have read it, I have read tons of health care specialists and economists views praising BOTH sides.

Not only are you not convincing me but it's amazing that you are lying to your clients as well. Hang it up march 5th, she drops out and you can keep dreaming about all of the stuff she promised that she wasnt going to get done anyway.

Who are you a lobbyist for anyway?

[MagsDem]

156. #131

And I see, you're not full of shit; rather Kennedy is lying. Got it.

[yourguide]

158. No, Kennedy is just being a politician

as politicians do.

Kennedy spearheaded this, she helped.

She spearheaded universal healthcare with a democratic congress and a democratic president, and she failed.

I think THAT speaks volumes.

[yourguide]

84. #75 - cant see you

:hi:

[rodeodance]

125. your lose

[MadHound]

36. Funny that, when I talk with friends and acquaintances about HRC's healthcare plan

They immediately get turned off by four things, the fact that it is mandatory(to the point where Hillary is considering requiring health insurance as a prerequisite for a job), the fact that this is a huge giveaway to the health insurance industry(complete with throwing more tax money at them), the fact that Hillary's monopolistic plan will cause insurance rates to rise dramatically, and the fact that she is disingenuously using the term "Universal Health Care"(which has traditionally been thought of as universal single payer, non-profit health care, not the Universal health insurance mandate that Hillary is trying to sell). Oh, and while you were just getting on the phone last week, I've been getting the message out for months, and have talked to, and convinced many more people than you in Texas, Ohio, and elsewhere. I've been in this political game since before you were a gleam in your daddy's eye, and my contacts are many and my rolodex is large. Good luck with that however.

Oh, and as for as your confidence in the superdelegates go, I think that you should rethink that. Lewis, Dornan and many others are fleeing Hillary for Obama. Hillary is hemorrhaging superdelegates, and if she loses either Texas or Ohio(which is looking increasingly likely) they will abandon her completely.

But hey, keep up the good fight, trying to convert people retail, and I'll keep on doing it wholesale.

[KLee]

47. Distortion again?

"I work in health care regulation"

"Now my clients are in this business"

Who's really in the health care regulation business, you or your clients?

[MagsDem]

124. OMG - you couldn't just read the thread?

I own a company that consults on health care regulations. Our clients use our services to keep updated on health care regulations, make sure they are following the rules, and to assist them in sponsoring efforts to improve healthcare regulations.

[Barrymores Ghost]

191. You "just stick to health care???" That's a laffer...

During your complete meltdown yesterday, when you had your sycophantic ass handed to you no less that a dozen times but still wouldn't stop to take a breath, you called him a dead-beat subcommittee chair, the scourge of Social Security, and gay-bashing DINO hell-bent on turning the country over to rethug neo-Nazis. And you said that everyone who disagreed with you was a stupid, starry-eyed lemming and enabler of what you would paint as our party's inexorable march over the cliff.

Holy fuck, you should take a break...get away from the city, maybe rent a yurt up in the San Juans or the North Cascades somewhere and try to figure out why you're so filled with seething, arrogant hatred for the man who will be the Democratic nominee and all of those who support him.

You sound like someone hanging on by a verrrryy thin thread.

[Window]

25. Oh, Lawdy!

:rofl:


Peace:thumbsup:

[bushisdirt]

24. Do that. You and Hillary will put McCain in the White House. Think

I'm kidding? There are thousands of organizations forming to immediately jump behind McCain should witch woman get the Dem nomination.

[MagsDem]

35. But not if black man gets the nod? LOL

Yeah, right.

[KLee]

LMAOO!!!!!

"But not if black man gets the nod? LOL"


Your true colors have finally shown, racism in it's truest form

Go peddle it elsewhere

We are a nation of many races, or did someone forget to inform you of that?

[MagsDem]

63. I was parodying the idiot Obama supporter....

that said "if witch woman gets the nod." Read much?

[Barrymores Ghost]

196. Given that your hatred for him tumbles so effortlessly from...

...your spittle-coated lips, I'm guessing you look forward to any little opportunity to "parody" that presents itself.

[Blue_Roses]

99. bingo

[HCE SuiGeneris]

143. You seem to be spearing that. You and your "organizations".

Working hard to elect McCain. You are patently psychotic.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

116. .

.

[Apollo11]

32. It looks like you are more anti-Obama than pro-Hillary.

Did you consider that maybe some of your "clients" told you that they will vote for Hillary just to get you off the line?? :eyes:

[MagsDem]

43. No, I didn't consider that....

And I'll tell you why, because I have known most of them for more than a decade, and because I don't waste their time or mine when we talk, and because these are exactly the kind of reasons they engage my company.

[Dogmudgeon]

39. What really matters (IMHO, of course).

Okay, I'm pulling for Hillary, too, but I do not look at Obama as a disaster in the making. Certainly there will be considerable "buyer's remorse", because leftists tend toward perfectionism, and have ALWAYS had buyer's remorse. But HRC and BHO are generally on the same page.

So what do we do about elected officials who don't give us satisfaction? It's simple, but in our cynicism, we tend to forget it -- we have to continuously lobby those whom we elect. Always. No matter who is in the White House, Congress, or our local government. One of the Big Things we have to look for is how easily we can get to and talk to our elected officials. Both Hillary and Obama are pretty accessible.

We Americans, especially Democrats, have fallen into the habit of expecting our elected officials to be our "leaders" and to read our minds. That is not ever likely to happen. First, we have to start looking at them as professional administrators and executives (but not businesspeople) we hire to conduct our nation's affairs. Second, we have to maintain communication, and replace those who block communication. Again, both candidates pass muster, though I believe that HRC has a better track record overall. ("Overall" means: all respondents should be advised not to jump up my ass with details of some scorned vote. I am well acquainted with both of their records, thank you.)

Calling prospective voters is an excellent way to do this, and I admire you for it. I can not use the phone easily because of my (nearly destroyed) hearing, but it's a necessary political activity. We Democrats have to find ways to continue activity after the election. Any buyers' remorse we have with Hillary or Obama can be remedied by citizens' lobbying. If we strive to make that part of our Democratic party value system, we will become far stronger and "fault-tolerant". Democracy can solve the problems of Democracy.

And in the event John McCain becomes our next President, that will become vital. Even if he is president for 4 years, he can still do a great deal of damage. Electing Democrats to Congress and to local positions is just as important as electing a particular president. Again, HRC and BHO are on the same page with this. We should be, too.

By all means, continue to fight for Hillary -- I will, too. There are still several battles to be fought. But if she does not prevail, BHO will not be a disaster. If we talk to him, he will listen, and if we lobby him, he will give our concerns the weight they deserve. Same as Hillary, so Obama supporters should likewise consider this.

We're all Democrats, and it will take all of us to "put the wheels back on" after Bush & Co.'s eight-year joyride.

--p!

[mwb970]

42. I suspect there were people like the OP in the old days too.

There must have been a few Democrats who wanted to throw cold water on the warm, human messages of hope brought by people like John Kennedy, Bobby Kennedy, and Martin Luther King too. It is just so jarring to hear Democrats railing against Obama, calling his followers cultists and all the rest, even as photos and news stories show the thousands and thousands who turn out for his rallies - many, many more attendees at every stop than Hillary ever gets. Some drive for hours to hear him.

And way off to the side, glowering and grumbling, is our wet-blanket OP, rolling his/her eyes and waving a tattered "Hillary" banner, sounding like the "You kids get off my lawn or else!" guys.

There are always a few, I guess.

[scheming daemons]

44. Yep.... Jesse Helms was a Democrat back then, Strom Thurmond too.....

The OP is a modern-day version.



The OP is more comfortable in the GOP, he/she just hasn't realized it yet.

[MagsDem]

52. I see, so affordable health care coverage is racist?

Man, you guys are really off the rails now.

[MadHound]

46. Yeah, those people were called Dixiecrats,

And they abandoned the Democratic party, first to form their own, then to join the 'Pugs. Frankly they weren't missed, and we were better off as a party without their vile racism.

[MagsDem]

62. So your position is that affordable healthcare is racist?

Sorry, you've gone a bit off the rails. What do dixiecrats have to do with supporting a candidate that has a viable plan to make healthcare affordable. It's racist because it's not Obama's plan?

[MadHound]

65. Umm, I wasn't talking about Clinton's Universal Health Insurance plan

I was talking to the poster up above about political history. Please try reading for comprehension, rather than for outrage.

[MagsDem]

50. Hope is not a plan nor a solution to the issues we face

We can hope for affordable health care coverage for the next 50 yrs, but it's not going to happen without a viable plan. And guess what? He doesn't have one.

[mwb970]

123. This is barely worth responding to, but I'll go one more round.

http://www.barackobama.com/issues/healthcare/

Are you saying he doesn't have a plan for health care? Here it is. Are you saying his plan is not "viable"? Details please. And where does Hillary's plan differ? Why is it better?

[MagsDem]

127. No, I am saying his plan is bullshit they he never intends ....

to implement.

[mwb970]

133. OK, you win.

Uncle! I can't take any more. Onto the Ignore List goes "MagsDem". Buh-bye.

[Occam Bandage]

51. Heh. You're delusional. People generally agree with solicitors just to get them off the line.

Seriously. "Yeah...okay...yeah...okay...sure...yeah...really...yeah...oh...yeah...wow...okay...well, okay, I'll vote for Hillary. *click* Whatever."

Nobody really wants to get in a GDP-style argument at random hours, nor do they want to hurt the feelings of those on the other end of the line.

[cali]

57. Hate can make people delusional

as is evidenced in the OP.

[MagsDem]

58. Who said anything about phone solicitors?

Well no one, of course. It's just you and your strawman out there. I know it just pisses you off, but hey, when you have a heart to heart with friends and clients you have known for 10 yrs or better and discuss the details of Obama, he just doesn't hold up. Sorry, but that's the truth.

[Occam Bandage]

61. The fact that you know them makes them even less likely to disagree with you,

simply because people do not, as a rule, leap into heated discussions with people that they intend to keep as friends or business associates. If they're clients, they are not going to risk their business interests simply to get into a telephone argument they had no intention of having. They agreed with you to get you off the line. Generally, people are too polite to tell you you're rabid, and aren't rabid enough to get into arguments.

Life isn't DU. People do not leap at the chance to defend Their Candidate. They usually just go along and roll their eyes when it's done.

[MagsDem]

79. Well you're an Obama supporter....

So of course you'd know better than me what me and my clients discuss and why they hire a consultant on healthcare regulation that they have no intention of paying any attention to. Great point, moron.

[Occam Bandage]

86. I never said you didn't discuss what you did. I simply said that it is unlikely

you convinced anyone of anything beyond your rabidity. They hire you to be a healthcare consultant, not to harangue them on their vote. You're probably good at your job, and they intend to keep you as a consultant; therefore they'll indulge your delusional bouts of unprofessionalism.

[MagsDem]

98. Let me try this slowly......

THEY PAY ME TO HAVE THESE DISCUSSIONS WITH THEM. Did you catch that? I own a company that is retained by those that have an interest in health care regulation. That interest most certainly extends AND ALWAYS HAS, NOT JUST DURING AN ELECTION, to which candidates are best on their issues.

[HCE SuiGeneris]

160. You are soliciting them. Period. Call it heart-to-heart if it makes you feel better.

"But I still want to feel I am doing my part for my party in making sure Obama does not get elected. So today I pulled up my database and made some calls to clients in Ohio and Texas"

:crazy:

[rodeodance]

172. Go for it and thank you:-)

[HCE SuiGeneris]

174. Like I mentioned in a previous post...

I sense your grasp of reality is slipping away. This is saddening.

[rodeodance]

175. its not nice to say things like that. have a good day.

ike I mentioned in a previous post...
Posted by BushDespiser12


I sense your grasp of reality is slipping away. This is saddening.

[rodeodance]

68. Whow----calls today for me. Thanks for the encouragement.

[rodeodance]

69. REC

[rodeodance]

72. ******Tell them about: Clinton to unveil plan to end Child Poverty---today in OHIO: Post here:

Forum Name General Discussion: Primaries
Topic subject Clinton to unveil plan to end Child Poverty---today in OHIO
Topic URL http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=132x4807440#4807440
4807440, Clinton to unveil plan to end Child Poverty---today in OHIO
Posted by rodeodance on Thu Feb-28-08 08:30 AM

So glad to see this---

http://www.democrats.org/page/community/post/truth2008/CpnC

Clinton to unveil plan to end Child Poverty
……- Feb 28th, 2008 at 8:28 am EST


Any parent or those concerned for our nations future will appreciate this. A detailed plan to help the children.


HANGING ROCK, Ohio - Democrat Hillary Rodham Clinton is offering a plan to improve childhood nutrition and setting a goal to reduce by half the 12 million youngsters living in poverty over the next dozen years.

A package of proposals, to be unveiled Thursday, includes a "comprehensive" early education initiative that starts with nurse's visits for pregnant women, lets children begin the Head Start program earlier and calls for universal pre-kindergarten programs.
…………

She was to spell out her proposals in a speech at the child care development center on Ohio University's southern campus.

……………
Clinton said she would direct her agriculture secretary to develop a plan to end childhood hunger. The nutrition effort would come largely through signing up more people for the food stamp program and expanding its benefits.

School breakfast programs would be universal in low-income neighborhoods under her proposal. She also would double the size of a summer nutrition program aimed at feeding low-income children when they aren't in school.

…………..

In addition, Clinton was calling for stronger programs aimed at cutting teen pregnancy as well as toughening child support enforcement programs to "support responsible fatherhood."

Clinton argues that roughly 12.9 million children live in poverty, with about 5 million living in extreme poverty. That means their families have incomes of less than half the federal poverty level.

……….
"While we celebrate America as a place where an individual's circumstances at birth should not determine his or her life chances, the fact is that economic mobility is now in decline in America," Clinton's background documents say. "Children born in poverty are likely to live in poverty their whole lives."

The effort to provide nursing care for pregnant women builds on a program she shaped as first lady of Arkansas, a program she said has been

[GOTV]

73. Do you have a post here on DU or elsewhere that lays out the facts as you see them?

... btw, I prefer Obama over Hillary but unlike many here, I'm impressed by your willingness to promote your beliefs in the real world. Dems would do better if more people would shut down their computers now and then and engage real people, in the real world, that might not already agree with them. So, congratulations on your success.

I was just hoping to see the facts you're laying on these people that they find so persuasive.

[Raffi Ella]

74. YAY!!!!

I've been phonebanking too!I've talked with a lot of people that were undecided or for Obama and while I didn't end all the conversations with a vote for Hillary I did get a lot!

I talked to many that already were Hillary supporters and were as excited as I am that she is running for President and said that they are volunteering in Texas or Ohio for her.That was very satisfying to hear.

I feel like it's the least we can do for the country,to try to get Hillary as many votes as possible.

Thank you so much for working so hard for Hillary!I think it really is making a difference.

[rodeodance]

78. and thank you--be sure to tell them about her proposal to end child poverty here:

Forum Name General Discussion: Primaries
Topic subject Clinton to unveil plan to end Child Poverty---today in OHIO
Topic URL http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.ph...
4807440, Clinton to unveil plan to end Child Poverty---today in OHIO
Posted by rodeodance on Thu Feb-28-08 08:30 AM

So glad to see this---

http://www.democrats.org/page/community/post/truth2008/...

Clinton to unveil plan to end Child Poverty
……- Feb 28th, 2008 at 8:28 am EST


Any parent or those concerned for our nations future will appreciate this. A detailed plan to help the children.


HANGING ROCK, Ohio - Democrat Hillary Rodham Clinton is offering a plan to improve childhood nutrition and setting a goal to reduce by half the 12 million youngsters living in poverty over the next dozen years.

A package of proposals, to be unveiled Thursday, includes a "comprehensive" early education initiative that starts with nurse's visits for pregnant women, lets children begin the Head Start program earlier and calls for universal pre-kindergarten programs.
…………

She was to spell out her proposals in a speech at the child care development center on Ohio University's southern campus.

……………
Clinton said she would direct her agriculture secretary to develop a plan to end childhood hunger. The nutrition effort would come largely through signing up more people for the food stamp program and expanding its benefits.

School breakfast programs would be universal in low-income neighborhoods under her proposal. She also would double the size of a summer nutrition program aimed at feeding low-income children when they aren't in school.

…………..

In addition, Clinton was calling for stronger programs aimed at cutting teen pregnancy as well as toughening child support enforcement programs to "support responsible fatherhood."

Clinton argues that roughly 12.9 million children live in poverty, with about 5 million living in extreme poverty. That means their families have incomes of less than half the federal poverty level.

……….
"While we celebrate America as a place where an individual's circumstances at birth should not determine his or her life chances, the fact is that economic mobility is now in decline in America," Clinton's background documents say. "Children born in poverty are likely to live in poverty their whole lives."

The effort to provide nursing care for pregnant women builds on a program she shaped as first lady of Arkansas, a program she said has been

[MagsDem]

87. Phonebanking is good, but I also recommend

just calling and having conversations with people you know in those states about the issues. It really makes a difference given the one-sided media spin we are seeing.

[rodeodance]

122. total agreement:-)

[rodeodance]

77. Needs some RECS folks -please

[rodeodance]

81. K

[elixir]

82. MagsDem, I am sooo proud of you. Thank you for your hard work, keep it up!!

I've been meaning to phone call but I'm afraid I'll screw it up. I've phonebanked before for Wes Clark and local stuff but this contest is viewed under such a microscope that I'm worried I'll misrepresent HRCs policies.

Enuf about me. Carry on!

[MagsDem]

106. Just pick an issue you are passionate about

know your stuff on it, and talk about that. It's not so hard.

[GarbagemanLB]

88. Oh yeah? I called 30 HRC supporters and convinced them to switch to Obama. No evidence, just trustme

[MagsDem]

101. I don't care if you trust me

Why should I? All I care about is that he doesn't win.

[long_green]

188. "All I care about is that he doesn't win"

mmmmkay. What you meant to say was, "all I care about is that she (HRC) wins." Anything other than that and you'll go from "crank" to "GOP ratfucker" in the blink of an eye.

[mrreowwr_kittty]

91. They probably just told you that to get your annoying ass off the phone. nt

[Jersey Devil]

93. Maybe the people you spoke to lied to you

LOL, I have run for office and just before election day everyone says they are going to vote for you and, boy, if you win, everyone slaps you on the back and swears on their mothers' graves that they voted for you.

In short, people lie because they do not want to hurt your feelings. Then they go in the voting booth, close the curtain behind them, and, well...

[MagsDem]

103. Except I'm not running and these are clients that pay me for advice

on health care regulation. They have no reason to lie to me if they don't agree with me. You may have noticed I don't have a particularly thin skin. Either way, I think I did some good. I will do more today and tomorrow.

[Jersey Devil]

105. Well, OK, but you'll never know

I've even heard people tell me that they were going to (or did) vote for me or one of our candidates who I know aren't even registered to vote (we have voter lists when we talk to people). As I said, they lie - heavily.

[MagsDem]

107. I have found that too when door knocking

But these are people I know well. I'm sorry it's disheartening to hear, and if it makes you feel better to think they were all lying to me that's fine by me.

[Jersey Devil]

113. Doesn't give me any thrill

but that is the way it is unfortunately. Hey, I think you're doing a great job for the candidate you support and would not criticize you for it even though I support Obama. If more people did the same we'd have a much better country.

[Barrymores Ghost]

198. You "dont have a particularly thin skin???" BWAAAHAAAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!

Someone can't even disagree with you on point without you becoming unhinged and cursing like a drunken sailor with Tourette's.

You're a loon, lass.

[SeaLyons]

95. Good Job

I thank you and appreciate you.

Hillary for President

[rodeodance]

109. come back and give it k. once in a while---if you can. thanks

[SeaLyons]

119. I will when I figure out how to do that

I'm new to the board :)

[rodeodance]

121. go to the MY-DU icon at the top of page--it will have your lates posts--you

can respond to people who have responded to you. or---just give the positive posts such as this a Kick (and REC -if not done so already)


Welcome--

[SeaLyons]

132. Thank You

I've read many of your posts and I like you. Thanks again.

[SeaLyons]

134. Thanks :)

[rodeodance]

138. you bet-test it out:-)

[whatchamacallit]

102. Pissing in the wind

Good luck with that.

[rodeodance]

111. stay out of the way-it might hit you.

[Lucinda]

108. Thank You!

This was a good post to wake up to this morning!

[snooper2]

114. Wow, Your Good!!!!!!!!

Damn, Hillary herself couldn't convince them but you sure as hell can :rofl: Maybe you should run?

20 people 100% success rate... You've only got 247,970 to go!

:rofl: :rofl:

Have any proof of this, how about post all the NPA/NXX you called to?

[rodeodance]

126. Agree--she is GOOD--thank you.

[mtnsnake]

136. She's a helluva lot better than you. All you know how to do is puke up junior high school attacks

that never seem to go anywhere.

[Forkboy]

184. What grade level is this attack?

Junior, senior? What?

[kid a]

115. now i get it..you are a health care lobbyist! =)

man...i started to list my conversion phone calls (i try to make 30 a day from the obama website) but i don't have the time to spend here. Gotta go make more calls.

hope you decide to stick around and be part of the solution after Clinton is out.

[rodeodance]

130. OP ?--nay--promoting a candidate with real policies that will help people

[kid a]

142. that is EXACTLY what I do when I call for Obama

I promote a candidate with real policies that will help people.

We just don't agree on the policies, but they both help people. I will continue to call for Clinton when and if she gets the nom.
Its the vile hatred of one Democratic Candidate that I can't grasp. I will work for either.

The OP is saying she is not going to support Obama when and if he gets the nom. That just doesn't make sense to me - I too am a democrat and have been a progressive activist for 20 years. I have scoured Obama's policies. Read his legislation, sat in on progressive health care, community support, and poverty forums discussing his record, and I have come to the conclusion that Obama will be a good president. DOn't discount my 20 years activism and research into the candidates as ignorant.

[MagsDem]

131. No, I am not a lobbyist

We do work with some, but no I am not a lobbyist. And no, not all lobbyists are bad. Many work for foundations and other non-profit entities because it's not just corporations that should have a voice in DC.

I know Obama has trained you to think all lobbyists are evil, even has he has them bundling money for him, but they aren't. Many of them are actually on the side of actual democratic values. Unions have lobbyists, Move On has a lobbyist, the non-profit hospital down the street from you has lobbyist. Grow up and join the real world.

[MadBadger]

139. I dont trust that you are telling the truth about Obama's record.

[rodeodance]

140. When I call I tell them about Hillary's plan. BO not discussed.

[kid a]

144. Good for you, really! That is positive campaigning! Thank You

That is exactly what I do.
I campaign for Obama. I talk about Obama. I discuss legislation, his record and his plans.
I DO NOT trash talk or even bring up HIllary Clinton.

I will do the same for her if she is the nom.
=)

[rodeodance]

148. as it should be

[MadBadger]

146. Well the OP specifically states that Obama is discussed.

[rodeodance]

147. I am not the OP:-)

[MagsDem]

152. As I posted previously

These are people very savvy about health care economics... most of them already know a plan without mandates will not sufficiently lower the cost necessary to ensure people join voluntarily. For those not already thinking in that vein, his OWN comments during the debate demonstrated to them that his argument doesn't hold water.

He made the claim that people opt in to Medicare part B because it's cheap. Problem is ALL my clients know it's cheap BECAUSE of the huge pool of enrollees created by Medicare part A, which completely trashes his argument. I'm sure it wasn't obvious to the public, but he essentially made Hillary's point for her when he said that.

[MadHound]

163. Are they also savvy enough to realize that having a mandated monopoly,

The insurance industry can jack up the rates all they want and screw us to the wall? That's what going to happen under Hillary's plan for mandating insurance for everyone.

[Divernan]

155. And I seriously doubt that any of her business contacts believed her either.

20 calls in 2 days! All those Dems already planning to vote for Obama. They pick up their phone to hear her spewing and lecturing away a la Clinton. Her total and visceral hatred of Obama would be as clear to the people she calls as it is to us here. Big mistake to preach politics to your clients, customers, suppliers, whatever. Easy enough for them to tell you, yeah, sure, just to get away from you. The "tell" to your absurd claim is that every single one of them was convinced. I mean, your attitude alone would convince me to support whomever you opposed.

Your extremism gives you zip credibility here, and most likely with your long-suffering business associates.

[HCE SuiGeneris]

159. "long-suffering business associates"

:evilgrin: :thumbsup:

[theHandpuppet]

145. Thanks, MagsDem!

:toast:

[rodeodance]

164. Hope HRC are taking here advice:-)

[Hepburn]

161. Senator McCain thanks you.

:puke:

Just a thought....how about doing that for the candidate who will most assuredly win the Dem nomination? You know...Barack Obama.

Great job........NOT........in November your new pals will vote for McCain and you will have only yourself and your HRC blinders to blame.

JMHO

[Beacool]

165. Great, keep calling!!!!!!

It's not yet too late!!!!!!!


:applause:

[rodeodance]

169. or DOOR TO DOOR IF IN-STATE--of if in near-by state:-)

[Beacool]

177. Yep, I'm in NJ and going to go to RI

this weekend to help out. I'm a fighter, just like our gal, and we will not go down without a fight to the death!!!!!!!!!!

If we lose, then we'll pack our guns and wait for her next move.


:bounce:

[rodeodance]

181. I think the face to face is best when possible GOOD FOR YOU:-)

[AnarchoFreeThinker]

166. if you're lucky they won't watch tv, listen to the radio, read a paper, log on, or go to a rally...

before Tuesday. Otherwise, "the truth will out."

[rodeodance]

176. puFFFFFFFF

[AnarchoFreeThinker]

178. that, right there, has been the fatal assumption of the Clinton campaign. Long may it continue.

[rodeodance]

180. that was the Obama buble running out of air.

[AnarchoFreeThinker]

183. yes, if by bubble you mean wave and by running out of air you mean gaining in force.

[rodeodance]

186. haha---guess you have not seen a deflating ballon as falls from the sky--all

the hot gases going PfuFFFFFFFF

[AnarchoFreeThinker]

189. hot gases? let's leave your candidate's spouse out of it.

[rodeodance]

194. wrong again--was referring to all the hot air of BO campaign.

[AnarchoFreeThinker]

195. this has got to be the silliest psuedo-attacking back & forth in the history of DU

I commend you, worthy adversary.

Now, your candidate's campaign has brought a needle to try to pop a tsunami, so don't be surprised if you get a little wet.

[goldcanyonaz]

167. MagsDem, you ROCK!

:loveya:

[rodeodance]

168. K and R------get those calls in folks

[Bake]

170. To everyone who is bashing the OP

The OP is simply doing what many of you have been - campaigning for a DEMOCRATIC candidate. This is still the primaries, after all. Or do you not really believe in the marketplace of ideas?

I guess we're just supposed to bow down now, and give Obama the crown? I recall some people here using the term "coronation" with derision ...

Bake

[rodeodance]

173. yes, it is the primary------for Dem. candidates;-)

[IronLionZion]

201. or AGAINST a Democratic candidate

There doesn't seem to be much FOR anyone(other than McCain), just AGAINST Obama.

Surely there are reasons to vote FOR Clinton?

[Skip Intro]

182. Way to GO Mags!!! K&R!

:thumbsup:

[Forkboy]

185. "gets to know the real Obama, through me."

:rofl:

[Jamastiene]

187. You rock.

Good to see you are "CHANGE"ing people's minds and giving them some real "HOPE" during this election cycle. :thumbsup:

[ElsewheresDaughter]

190. Thank you for your effort to keep McCain out of the WH.......

I live in a very red area of upstate NY and most of my neighbors are voting for Hillary in Nov.

They are very happy with the work she has done for rural NYers.

[avrdream]

192. Go Mags!

Actions speak louder than words.

Goodonya!

[JackORoses]

193. keep it up and maybe in a million years you'll have gathered enough votes to get Hillary elected

President Obama loves you!

[SeaLyons]

203. That's funny

the polls still show them running neck in neck

[MessiahRp]

199. Personally, "doing my part for my party in making sure Obama does not get elected" should lock this

There have been people with low post counts who have been banned for saying less.

So we're saying it's okay to work to make sure Democratic candidates are not elected (especially when they have a sizeable lead and appear to be likely to win the nomination)? I understand supporting your candidate but DU should not tolerate the scorched earth politics the Hillary supporters seem eager to try to make sure Obama fails no matter what.

If Cindy Sheehan (yes I know she's not a Democrat but she's a progressive) can be torched on this site because she's running against a Democrat who has been mostly wrong on impeachment and dealing with Bush, then this type of post should also either not be tolerated or be tolerated across the board (including allowing people with lower post counts to make the same types of comments or accusations).

Rp

[Barrymores Ghost]

200. 10 pounds of crap, stuffed into a 5-pound sack....

...is what I would normally call someone so self-righteous and self-important as you.

But, there are so many other phrases to describe your aromatic effluence here, I just can't pick a favorite.

[Reality Check]

204. Thanks for your commitment to the truth:)