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Herman Munster Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-27-08 11:19 PM
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2004 was much much much nastier than this primary. Yeah, really.
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Drunken Irishman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-27-08 11:22 PM
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1. I actually agree Herman and that ad was the beginning of the end for the Dean campaign.
Edited on Wed Feb-27-08 11:23 PM by Drunken Irishman
It all began to go down hill shortly after that ad aired, because experience and electability became a major issue to Democratic voters. After that ad aired, many Democrats began questioning whether Dean had what it took to lead this nation in a time of war. It was ugly, uncalled for and really turned me off of politics for quite awhile.
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dorktv Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-27-08 11:25 PM
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3. were you on these boards? The nastiness was amazing...
so what is going on now should be no surprise.
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TheDonkey Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-27-08 11:27 PM
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5. Seriously, some people forget easily.
It's a little different this time because now it is X vs Y when before it was X vs ABCDEFG (X being Dean versus everyone else!). Once Kerry started winning and Gephardt, Clark, and Dean people tore each other apart it was over.
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dorktv Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-27-08 11:32 PM
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7. Kerry sucked. Still does suck. Sorry if you were a Kerry supporter
but at least Dean had passion. And the willingness to push for all fifty states.

Hmmm...makes me wonder if the reason he ran was what a lot of us supporters here in AZ thought it was for-the chair of the DNC.
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Kurt_and_Hunter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-27-08 11:24 PM
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2. This is the most patty-cake primary I've seen. Even Gore did much worse to Bradley
I don't know if the "shocking dirty campaign" people are pretending, delusional or just have never seen a campaign before.
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Herman Munster Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-27-08 11:25 PM
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4. Just imagine if Hillary ran the same ad now
Instead of Osama morphing into Dean's face, it would be Obama.

Could you imagine the outrage?

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tabasco Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-27-08 11:29 PM
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6. Kerry went down in the GE because of his war vote.
Four years later, another one bites the dust.

Toadying to fearmongers is not a wise career choice for Democrats.

Time for this party to find its backbone again and get rid of all the gutless enablers.
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babylonsister Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-27-08 11:32 PM
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8. 2004's issues are totally different than today as you pointed out.
It's a whole new ballgame this year, though I missed the infighting of 04, thankfully, as did the OP.
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Political Heretic Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-27-08 11:33 PM
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9. No he didn't. Sorry but that's some revisionist history.
The public support wasn't there for ending the war in 2004 - a majority of people still supported it. Kerry's Iraq policy wasn't "I will end the war" it was "Bush mismanaged the war effort, and I will wage the war better."

Kerry went down in the GE because he couldn't / wouldn't respond to the Republican attack machine and appeared to be a weak, ineffective candidate to the voting public.
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Colobo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-27-08 11:35 PM
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10. Excellent post. I agree with your views on the 2004 election.
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tabasco Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-27-08 11:46 PM
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11. He appeared to be wishy washy because he voted for war and had no moral ground
from which to condemn the war. Kerry voted to give madman Bush a loaded gun and brought his judgment into question. Kerry appeared as a typical politician in trying to read the polls to decide which way to vote. This made him look indecisive and weak. There was no real opposition candidate and Democratic turnout for the primaries was one of the lowest ever. Democrats were not excited about Kerry because of his failure to oppose Bush.

The Iraq war vote was the singlemost important reason Kerry lost the (s)election.
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OHdem10 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-28-08 12:27 AM
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12. This primary has been surreal. I have not seen anything
that would begin to compare with Campaigns past.

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Occam Bandage Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-28-08 12:29 AM
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13. Oh, no. This was my favorite.
Edited on Thu Feb-28-08 12:29 AM by Occam Bandage
I like how we smear the very idea of liberals. It's great.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K4-vEwD_7Hk
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