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progressoid Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-27-08 09:19 AM
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Feb. 27 (Bloomberg) -- Barack Obama moved ahead of Hillary Clinton in the battle for the Democratic presidential nomination, and is in a dead heat in a general-election fight against Republican John McCain, who enjoys an advantage on national-security issues

A new Bloomberg/Los Angeles Times survey shows Obama is preferred by Democratic primary voters 48 percent to 42 percent, the first time he has overtaken Clinton in a Bloomberg/Times poll.

In a general-election match-up among registered voters, McCain is 2 points ahead of Obama, within the margin of error; he beats Clinton by 6 points.


McCain runs ahead of Obama on every issue except health care. The Arizona senator has a 13-point advantage on Iraq and a 37-point lead on terrorism. He also does better on managing the economy. One area where Obama has a clear edge is on the question of who would bring the most change in Washington; the Illinois senator has an almost 3-to-1 lead.

http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=20601070&sid=a9LmcH7Fnwj4&refer=home





Ceeerist Americans are dumbasses. How can McCain possibly be leading?
I don't put much trust in polls but even if the margin of error were doubled, it's a sad reflection of the American public.
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derby378 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-27-08 09:21 AM
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1. It's called "Diebold"
:mad:
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Avalux Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-27-08 09:22 AM
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2. I don't get it either. Not logical; especially considering the turnout in primaries.
Democratic to Republican voting turnout is 2:1 - how can McCain be leading nationally? I'd really like someone to explain to me how that works.
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progressoid Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-27-08 09:31 AM
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4. Hopefully the high Dem turnout will continue in November
The poll only asked registered voters, not likely voters. Hopefully, we'll overwhelm them in volume of actual voters.
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Arkansas Granny Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-27-08 09:41 AM
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6. I think this is a likely explanation, but it points out that we will have
a battle ahead of us, regardless who our candidate is. The poll numbers seem to be all over the place on this, but some of it may be due to polling registered voters, likely voters or maybe how the question is phrased.

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2008/president/us/general_election_mccain_vs_obama-225.html
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SKKY Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-27-08 09:24 AM
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3. Relax everyone. This McCain/Obama thing will work itself out...
After the conventions. They're both just throwing quick jabs right now, feeling the other out. McCain has a much bigger chin that Obama, and I expect hell get hit repeatedly on it.
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paperbag_ princess Donating Member (286 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-27-08 09:41 AM
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5. republican crossover?
I am sure some of this is going on...repubs and indies voting Obama in the primaries...wanting to see an Obama/McCain GE...but planning on voting McCain.

I have not yet been convinced that it is so widespread that it is having a huge effect against Hillary as others have argued...

but it would be one explanation or theory.
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Franks Wild Years Donating Member (687 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-27-08 09:42 AM
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7. McCain is the only definite nominee so far.
It's no surprise that it's close right now. When Clinton falls off the stage, direct comparisons will not make McCain look good.
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Recursion Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-27-08 09:44 AM
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8. Bingo; this has happened before
McCain is "the winner" in the GOP. That always gives you a bounce.
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DemocratSinceBirth Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-27-08 09:44 AM
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9. A Possible Explanation
Folks here only speak to folks who think like them and therfore get their own views shouted back at them and consequently think everybody thinks that way...
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Straight Shooter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-27-08 09:48 AM
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10. Most American voters choose their candidates on a superficial basis.
".... change to Washington." Riiiiight. With all those establishment names behind him, I don't think so.

Obama is aware of the terrorism chasm. That's why he was talking a little tougher at last night's debate. If he becomes the nominee, he'll start channeling his "warrior" side more frequently.
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THUNDER HANDS Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-27-08 09:50 AM
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11. good
i want Obama slightly behind at the beginning. He's a closer, like a good racehorse. Those are the type you want when you bet on horses.
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grantcart Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-27-08 09:54 AM
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12. I can only hope its true
Its always to run from behind just ask Hillary. If Obama starts out 10 points ahead the press is going to give McCain a wide berth so as not to appear to be piling on. Having McCain start ahead for atleast a short period will mean atleast some negative stories about McCain will get out.
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Kitty Herder Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-27-08 09:59 AM
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13. I'm honestly surprised that so many would want to vote for McCain.
I would think people would be absolutely sick of Republicans. And look at Bush's poll numbers. Don't people make the connection between the president they hate and the party he stands for?
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Tesha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-27-08 12:35 PM
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14. McCain has polled ahead of our two darlings most of the way.
Edwards defeated McCain in most polling, but
we kicked him to the curb in favor of the two
"cool kids".

Don't be surprised if we lose in November.

Tesha
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progressoid Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-27-08 03:37 PM
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15. John was my choice
I'm trying to stay optimistic. Hopefully it is still too early in the game.

But it is a bit disturbing that so many people are willing to vote for four more years of this shit.
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Johnny__Motown Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-27-08 03:44 PM
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16. Because Obama is fighting both Clinton and McCain right now, he does better 1 on 1
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End Of The Road Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-27-08 03:50 PM
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17. Listen to some RW radio for awhile
Boortz is a "good" one, if you want an eye-opener into the Republican mindset. I caught a few moments of his show today while I was driving, and he was pounding Obama pretty hard (I think he called BO "frightening").

I used to work for a brilliant engineer, just the nicest guy you can imagine in most ways. But at some point he decided to let Limbaugh decide his politics for him, and quit doing his own research. Lots out there like him, I fear.

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progressoid Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-27-08 03:56 PM
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20. Yep, or Hannity or Laura Ingram etc.
Its even more frightening when you listen to their callers. :scared:

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The Anti-Bush Donating Member (251 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-27-08 03:53 PM
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18. Didn't the owner of the LA Times just come out and slam Obama today?
I find that highly... I can't think of the word. LOL. I don't buy it.
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MadBadger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-27-08 03:53 PM
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19. This one poll, two others have Obama up 12 and 10.
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