To Clinton Supporters Blaming the Media...

[Bullet1987]

It's funny how Clinton supporters are blaming the MSM after all of the chances Clinton has been given to comeback after 11 straight loses. Not to mention, the "Whoremedia" were the main ones pumping the Clinton Coronation bullshit MONTHS AGO!!! I can't count how many times I read "Clinton Coronation" scrolling across the screen on MSNBC. So don't start bitching now because she has run a piss poor campaign and didn't have a backup plan.

Hillary Clinton had just about everything going for her before Iowa (HUGE leads in most states, name recognition, Clinton nostalgia, etc). And truth be told, she may HAVE been inevitable if the campaign had spent their money more wisely and had a backup plan in case things didn't go as they wanted. They also didn't put much effort into building a grassroots juggernaut a la Obama. But let's remember...this is all the MSM's fault :sarcasm: . The MSM told the Clinton campaign to alienate an entire damn base of Dem voters after they had won two straight contests. What genius inside the Clinton camp came up with that strategy?

"Hey, we've just won Nevada and New Hampshire! Here's an idea...let's go super negative and turn Obama into the 'Black candidate' right before SC where Blacks make up damn near 50% of the voters!"

To blame the MSM on the number of mistakes the Clinton campaign has made since January is to express an incredible level of denial. People are also ignoring the glowing positive press Clinton got before Iowa that I mentioned above. So stop acting like the media has been anti-Clinton from start...it's bad revisionism.

If I recall correctly, according to the MSM...who won EVERY debate pre-Iowa? Was it not Hillary Clinton?

[John Q. Citizen]

1. I don/t blame the media, I blame B. Clinton for signing the Telecom Act which led to the corporate

domination of about 85% of the mass media by 5 major corporations.

[Radical Activist]

4. Isn't it ironic? n/t

[Cant trust em]

6. and that's another part of the Clinton presidency

that Hillary won't want to take credit for. "I was first lady during a period of great prosperity. But only the parts that worked out in retrospect."

[papau]

13. Reagan's changes reduce media companies from 400 to 12 - Clinton's reduced it to 6 - GOP control

was already in place (see impeachment) before the Telecom Act.

The GOP wanted the weaker Obama and used the media they control to get him - indeed the weaker means not only in the fall, but should he win, the weaker in getting left legislation passed as his need for GOP love and a changed atmosphere means things like the Medicare like policy option for all will be tossed in favor of straight subsidies for insurance companies.

[Radical Activist]

2. First Kucinich, then Edwards, now Hillary.

The media is an easy scapegoat but in all cases there are other very good reasons their campaigns didn't take off.

I'm glad we finally have a good progressive candidate who knows how to work the media and get good coverage. Its something the party needs badly. The fact that Obama is able to do that so well is another reason why he's simply a more electable candidate.

[Cant trust em]

3. Some media blame is necessary

then some of it is just loserspeak. It's like a basketball team complaining that the refs gave it to the other team, but then at the end of the game stats show that they only shot 27% from the field and had 28 turnovers.

[SteppingRazor]

5. Just imagine the howls in the media for Obama to drop out if he lost 11 in a row.

I think both candidates have, in their own way, been treated with a certain amount of deference in this campaign. But the ways in which it has been done have been different. Clinton has always been assumed to be a potential winner -- even now, when she's all but done. At the same time, I don't think there's any denying that Obama has benefited from some very kind press, especially over the past few weeks.

[democrattotheend]

20. I think you're right

In some ways, they have both gotten a break from the media.

Yes, Obama has gotten a lot of good press, but the media also keeps repeating the "lack of substance" meme and seems deaf to the fact that he has been including more specific policy proposals in his speeches. They keep saying "but what's he going to do?" despite him laying out clearly what he is going to do in many cases.

I also think the media has essentially accepted Clinton as the "experience candidate" without giving that a lot of scrutiny. For example, in that Hardball incident, if Chris Matthews had asked Stephanie Tubbs Jones to name Clinton's legislative accomplishments, I doubt she'd have been able to. Even my coworker who supports Clinton agreed with that. And while I don't doubt that Hillary played a key role in her husband's administration, I would like to see her asked to provide more specifics about the issues she worked on (other than health care) and what she did. She has been a good senator, but has not developed a huge portfolio of legislative accomplishments, and nobody seems to be pointing that out.

At the same time, the press seems to dwell more on Clinton's past than Obama's, and I really don't like the way they have been prematurely writing her obituary. They did the same thing to Dean in 2004 and it did him in.

[polichick]

7. Her story was most interesting to them - until his became MORE interesting...

For infonews it's so much about the narrative of the moment.

[Forkboy]

8. She's blaming her collapse on everyone but herself.

[jasmine621]

14. In truth, you haven't heard her blame anyone. This is a prime example

of the labeling and smearing of Hillary.

[Forkboy]

17. You just proved my point better than I ever could.

Here, try this.

http://video.msn.com/?mkt=en-us&brand=msnbc&tab=m5&from=00&vid=22bc52e6-7d41-46d0-be3d-ac6410fb50cf&playlist=videoByTag:mk:us:vs:0:tag:Source_Abrams_Report:ns:MSNVideo_Top_Cat:ps:10:sd:-1:ind:1:ff:8A

Or this.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/22299106/

Bill Clinton has come to his wife Hillary’s defense and I’m not convinced that’s a good thing. Clinton blames the media for not covering his wife fairly and he argues that we in the media are not focusing enough on Hillary’s experience, implying that we are holding her to a different and unfair standard.

Or this.

http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2008/02/26/clinton-campaign-takes-aim-at-press-over-coverage/

A spokesman for Hillary Clinton lashed out at the media Monday for what he described as a double standard in the way the press covers the two Democratic White House hopefuls.

Or this.

http://www.latestpolitics.com/blog/2008/01/president-clinton-sees-post-iowa.html

Just hours after his wife got choked up on the campaign trail, President Clinton showed anger and frustration as he complained that the press has given a free pass to the nascent front-runner in the Democratic presidential contest, Senator Obama of Illinois.

Or this.

http://www.salon.com/politics/war_room/2008/02/25/clinton_response/email.html

On the question of the photo that's caused so much concern today, the candidate and her advisors stick to one message, blaming the media and the Obama campaign.


Get your head out of your ass and stop blaming others for your own blindness.

[KittyWampus]

9. Media also included superdelegates even though they ultimately fall behind candidate having most

pledged delegates.

[OHdem10]

10. Example: MSNBC has spent the day dooming and glooming

Hilary. Twisting Nafta everywhich way around her neck.

While Obama uses Nafta against her, he will not do one darn thing
about Nafta. That lame overused line about about Corporate Loopholes
for sending jobs overseas. Gore and Kerry ran on this. Why has
no one done anything about it over all these years. MSNBC do not
point out that Obama criticizes but does not intend to do anything
about Nafta. It is this sort of thing they do to prop up Obama.
They did the same for GWB. In other words they only rant about
HRC and never thoroughly discuss Obama.

[WatchWhatISay]

11. Blame Howard Wolfson and Mark Penn

They, and a few others like them are the root of your problem. And the fact that Hillary didnt see that.

[napi21]

12. I don't blame the MM for ALL of Hillary's problems, but you sure

can blame them for many of them! You may have read Hillary's Coronation across the crawl, but you've dismissed all the "Hillary CAN'T win becaue her negatives are TOO HIGH!" I can't count high enough to have counted the times I heard THAT ONE! Remember all the hoopla about Hillary wearing a shell top under her suit jacket into the Senate one day? How about all the comments about her being "shrill"? I could go on and on with all the stupid sexist comments I've heard on EVERY MSM channel.

BTW, I voted for Barack on Super Tuesday, and I feel really bad saying this, but I honestly beieve either candidate would be a good President, and I made my final decision BECAUSE I wasn't willing to listen to the MSM & the Pubs ripping her or being a woman & a Clinton for four damn years!

[SeaLyons]

15. Anyone who thinks the media

has not swayed this election is fooling themselves. I have never seen an election so one-sided and eager to take the side of one candidate. I don't see how they do it with a straight face. I'm sure they're embarrassed at times. Indeed, Hillary should have planned for and expected the bias, but it's pretty hard to stop a freight train when it's full steam coming at you.

Hillary is still in this game, and I couldn't be prouder. She will probably score every point tonight, but immediately the pundits will give it to Obama...all he has to do is sit there and ocassionally say something like "that's silly, Hillary", and hey.....he's the man!!!

[rinsd]

16. And who ran with the Clinton campaign is racist angle?

Gee that would be the media.

"So stop acting like the media has been anti-Clinton from start...it's bad revisionism."

For the 1st 6 months of 2007, Hillary received over twice as much unfavorable coverage as Obama

Obama received the most favorable & least unfavorable coverage of any candidate.



http://www.journalism.org/node/8187

That ratio has not changed in fact got much worse for Hillary.

[HeraldSquare212]

18. The powerful, unbeatable campaign machine she had was mentioned in every story.

They repeatedly boosted her by repeating that assertion by her campaign as though it were fact.

[HiFructosePronSyrup]

19. Damn librul media.

:crazy: