Dayton to Hillary (I just sent Hillary a letter)

[mculator]

I can't wait for the debate! Does everyone have popcorn?

I just wrote Hillary with the following suggestion for a line at tonight's debate. If it shows up, you heard it here first!

Example of my sinker line:

Barack: "blah blah blah (I'm in show business) blah blah blah you don't want her blah blah voted for a war which should of never happened!!"

Hillary: "Well, I wish I could go back and vote present instead of making a difficult decision, Barack."


A one line refutation!
:)

Love,

MCyoulata

[Crazy Dave]

1. My take

Hillary: "Shame on you"

Barack: "I'm rubber you're glue"

[rsmith6621]

2. FLAMEBAIT

......How about...Sen Clinton when will you say....I'm Sorry

[Crazy Dave]

4. A day before Texas and Ohio

She'll get on every network, start crying and start saying she's sorry. Just a hunch.

[rodeodance]

15. Typical low level comment from a Obamafolk. Shameful.

[Little Star]

3. Not only a good line, but a true one. n/t

[cali]

5. She's not going to do it. That would sail over the heads of the

vast majority of viewers. I am really hoping she does go for his jugular tonight. Voters hate her when she does. It's great for Obama.

[mculator]

6. Ok

I want her to go after him too. He was on a stage with Richardson, with Edwards, with Clinton. Hardly fair, people. Must be love or something... I just don't get it: why the hell do people like him again? This is for the manager of the Oval Office, not the host of the Ocscars, that we're voting for.

[Window]

7. LOL!

If she does, she will probably get booed.



Peace:thumbsup:

[jean627]

12. YEP, sure is.

If she can't see by now that every time she attacks Obama and his supporters her support goes down, what does that say for her intelligence, or lack of intelligence.

Appears to me it is the philosophy of "keep making the same mistake over and over and HOPING for a different result".

[mculator]

22. Unless

it wasn't ever a mistake to begin with, and people were just in love with Obama! I personally think it's just infatuation, and after they realize he's been cheating on them with Drudge, they'll backlash. I just hope it's not too late for Hillary, who earned the right to be campaigning with 35 years of hard work for YOU.

[rodeodance]

23. That was many obamafolks wet dream last week also. She is too classy for that.

[karynnj]

8. He could explain that it would have demonstrated the superiority of the Illinois system

Every Democrat who indicated trouble with the bill as written could have voted Present. Many would have needed no change to their statement. They would be saying that they wanted to give Bush the backing he needed in negotiations, but they though the bill had too few checks and balances. The reason this was a tough vote was that most Democrats - on either side - were no, buts and yes, buts. Other than the Democratic sponsors and a few very hawkish Democrats - there may have been few "Yes" votes.

It would be a perfect way to genuinely explain that system. It would also have the ability to correct any view that the Democrats were equally eager to go to war - very few were. It would not eliminate the vote as an issue because the issue is that McCain could use it. A great way to take the high ground - kill this present issue - and reframe which party has been strongly for the war.

[mculator]

21. Sweet

If it's so superior, they should be able to vote present in the senate!

[Coexist]

26. very nice post

:thumbsup:

[Window]

9. Why would she say that? She's not sorry.

[rodeodance]

13. changing the topic won't make the OP go away..

[rodeodance]

10. Ha ha---good one.

[desi]

14. It sure is...

He'll be at a loss for words and end up mumbling and stumbling for sure...AGAIN!

[desi]

11. If you don't mind

I'm going to copy your post and hand it directly to her today if I am able to get close enough. She will be in our neck of the woods today.

[jean627]

16. Glad to see Hillary's supporters

are trying to help her continue to commit suicide.

[rodeodance]

18. Thank you for your concern.

[greguganus]

29. She might as well take free advice. That $4 million dollar man has proved worthless. n/t

[rodeodance]

17. YOU GO!!

[susankh4]

19. Tell her Ohio still has her back!

And IN/KY/PA/RI.....

[desi]

28. Yes we do! I'll add your pic and the positive message it sends

thanks...

[susankh4]

31. That is from the Cincy Rally!

I believe it was in the AFT section.

[mculator]

20. Do it

I just sent it to her. I mean, I'd like to see every Democrat that voted yes on the war line up and say they wouldn't have voted present if they could have.

[desi]

24. I've copied it

Thank you. If I can't get it to her directly I will give it to one of her campaign staff....

[mculator]

25. Si se puede!

Ohio is all about Hillary. I haven't taken a poll and I don't believe in them. I see what I see on the street, and there's not much Obama mania here unless you turn on the TV.

[greguganus]

33. Don't you mean you xeroxed it? n/t

[yourguide]

27. I hope she does

will make her look pretty foolish. bring it!

[desi]

Not quite as foolish as

THIS:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FgctsioisJg

[yourguide]

34. Riiiiiiiiiiiiiight

"change you can xerox" really brought the house down too.

mark penn, is that you?

[desi]

38. Well I believe we all should know by now

how utterly rude Obama sycophants/cultists can and will be don't we? Y'all remind me of the "children" selling flowers on street corners and in airports.

[yourguide]

40. Ok old timer

if you cant accept that the torch has passed, choose to stay in your warped state of denial...it doesnt bother me, but your reality will come crashing down on March 4th.

Considering how many HRC supporters I have seen tombstoned lately I think "Ya'll" might want to reconsider your own rudeness.

Yup, I've heard a countless number of people compare the teamster's to "children selling flowers on street corners and airports". :sarcasm:

:rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl:

[mculator]

36. I need to paste that

everywhere.
:)

[desi]

37. Did he also "collaborate" with Edwards?

Once a shyster, always a shyster..

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Pqutz5ASDSA

[mculator]

43. there will be bamboozling

Did Malcom X endorse him ???

[mculator]

44. there will be bamboozling (link)

Did Malcom X endorse him ???

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YuB_W8o_UsU

[stillcool]

30. It's funny how this stuff...

keeps getting recycled, as if on cue, isn't it?

http://www.nytimes.com/2008/02/16/opinion/16mikva.html?ex=1360818000&en=9417ee6115534086&ei=5088&partner=rssnyt&emc=rss
Present’ Perfect
By ABNER J. MIKVA
Published: February 16, 2008
HILLARY CLINTON should probably be forgiven for not remembering the course on the state Constitution that she would have had to take as an eighth grader in Illinois. But had she remembered it, she would have known that Senator Barack Obama was not ducking his responsibility in the Illinois Senate when he voted “present” on many issues.
Unlike Congress and the legislatures of most other states, each chamber of the Illinois Legislature requires a “constitutional majority” to pass a bill. The state Senate has 59 members, so it takes 30 affirmative votes. This makes a “present” vote the same as a no. If a bill receives 29 votes, but the rest of the senators vote “present,” it fails.
In Congress, in contrast, a bill can pass in either the House or the Senate as long as more people vote for it than against it. If 10 people vote in favor and nine against, and the rest either vote “present” or don’t vote at all, the bill passes. It can actually pass with just one vote, as long as no one votes no.
In the Illinois Senate, there can be strategic reasons for voting “present” rather than simply no. A member might approve the intent of legislation, but not its scope or the way it has been drafted. A “present” vote can send a signal to a bill’s sponsors that the legislator might support an amended version. Voting “present” can also be a way to exercise fiscal restraint, without opposing the subject of the bill.
I recall voting “present” on many bills when I was in the Illinois Legislature. In the 1960s, for instance, I voted “present” on the annual highway appropriations bill. Like many of my fellow senators, I thought some of the money being allocated should have gone to public transportation. Still, I didn’t want to vote no, because I did not want to stand against the basic principle of maintaining our public roads. So I voted “present.”
It never occurred to me or to any of my critics that I was ducking responsibility for a making a decision. Mr. Obama was an outspoken member of the Illinois Senate, and not someone known for dodging questions, whether they were on ethics, police responsibility, women’s choice or any other hot-button issue.
Even if Senator Clinton does not remember the constitutional majority requirement in Illinois, one of her advisers might have explained it to her. When I was White House counsel, President Clinton frequently reminded me that he had taught constitutional law before he ran for public office. I would hope that he would assume that another constitutional scholar — Barack Obama — would be aware of his voting responsibilities as a state legislator.
Abner J. Mikva has been an Illinois state legislator, a United States congressman, a federal judge and, from 1994 to 1995, White House counsel. He now directs the Mandel Legal Aid Clinic at the University of Chicago Law School. Mr. Mikva serves as an informal adviser to Barack Obama's presidential campaign.

http://www.stateline.org/live/details/story?contentId=274863
Friday, January 25, 2008
'Present' votes defended by Ill. lawmakers
By Daniel C. Vock, Stateline.org Staff Writer
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In most legislatures, lawmakers vote either “yes” or “no” on bills, but in Illinois, senators and representatives can hit a third button for a “present” vote. Now that quirk — not unique to Illinois — has sparked heated exchanges among Democrats vying for president.

The two main rivals of Illinois’ U.S. Sen. Barack Obama for the Democratic nomination accused him during a debate Monday (Jan. 21) of ducking important votes by voting “present” about 130 times during his eight years in the Illinois Senate.

But Obama’s former colleagues who still serve in the Illinois Capitol say that the attacks are off-base and that either Obama’s opponents don’t understand how things work in Springfield or they are deliberately distorting his record.
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State Sen. John Cullerton (D) calls the “present” vote “a no vote with an explanation.” Legally, there’s not much difference between the two votes, but practically, it can let the sponsors or other legislators know of problems with the bill that should be corrected.

That’s not how U.S. Sen. Hillary Clinton (D-N.Y.) characterized it in a debate in Myrtle Beach, S.C., this week.

“In the Illinois state Senate, Senator Obama voted 130 times ‘present.’ That’s not ‘yes,’ that’s not ‘no.’ That’s ‘maybe,’” she said.
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Those remarks angered Cullerton, who is also backing Obama. He stressed that voting “present” is different than not voting at all.

“There’s not one Republican, there’s not one member in the history of the General Assembly who is still alive today who would criticize voting ‘present.’ There’s not one member of the General Assembly who’s alive today who has ever not voted ‘present,’” he said.

Fritchey, the House Democrat who chairs a committee on civil law, said he often used the “present” vote when he thought a bill had constitutional or other legal problems.

That’s also the reason Obama, who taught constitutional law at the University of Chicago, gave during the debate for voting “present” on a bill he originally had sponsored.
“After I had sponsored it and helped to get it passed, it turned out that there was a legal provision in it that was problematic and needed to be fixed so that it wouldn’t be struck down,” he said.

[Apollo11]

32. Hillary should fire Mark Penn, hire mculator

B-)

[mculator]

35. Fire Mark Penn? How bout shoot him?

Sorry Hillary didn't need Oprah to get where she is, she did it with hard work.

[yellowcanine]

39. She should forget clever lines. At this point it will only backfire. She needs to make a serious

case for her candidacy AND the Democrats so that win or lose, she will have shown some class.

[mculator]

41. She needs suggestions

Her lines aren't as clever as Barack's borrowed ones, I'm helping if I can. :)

[yellowcanine]

45. Knock yourself out.

[mculator]

42. She needs suggestions

Her lines aren't as clever as Barack's borrowed ones, I'm helping if I can. :)