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Bluebear Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-25-08 01:56 AM
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"Kirbyjon Caldwell, Obama's Six Degrees of Homosexuality"
Edited on Mon Feb-25-08 02:54 AM by Bluebear


Rev. Kirbyjon Caldwell (pictured with Bush), the black pastor of Houstons Windsor Village UMC (ironically called Kingdom Builders) decided to flex his political kingmaker muscles and endorsed Obama for President. Homosexual activists supporting Obama were delighted. Wow, they cooed, another black preacher on board the Obamatrain. But when they started checking Caldwells church website, they found something so horrible, it sparked outrage.

Windsor Village had a ministry (Google cache thanks to Warren Throckmorton) that helped people struggling with homosexuality to overcome it. Youd think that that would be normal in the church. After all, the church has other ministries claiming to help people get delivered from alcoholism, cocaine addiction, lupus, sexual assault, adultery and even arthritis.

The website said the ministry was A program created to provide Christ Centered instruction for those seeking freedom from homosexuality, lesbianism, prostitution, sex addiction and other habitual sins.

Id known this for quite sometime. As a matter of fact when it was started a longtime friend of mine who was a member of the church called me excited about it. It became part of our black church resource listing.

But when the activists found out, they immediately launched operation internet outrage about Caldwells evil ex gay group. In their eyes, it was like running a mobile concentration camp.

They contacted Caldwell and demanded to know why he would allow such a ministry in his church. So, did the pastor defend the ministry on the grounds that homosexuality was sinful and people needed the churchs help to be free from it?

Not on your life.

Instead, Caldwell had the offensive ministry deleted from the site and denied ever knowing it was there. According to Politico.com interview Caldwell took the road of least resistance. After all what black preacher wants gay activists angry at him for preaching that homosexuals can change?

I got to tell you, this is going to sound real stupid, but I didnt know it was on our website, Caldwell said. I was surprised and embarrassed by it. Im embarrassed from the standpoint that I should have known. We have 120 ministries at the church. You cant be on top of everything.

When asked if he opposed such programs, Caldwell said: Its not a ministry of the church. It is not supported financially by the church. It is not located at the church. That is pretty much where I am with it.

Notice, he skirted the question. But, lets say he didnt know the ministry was listed on his churchs website. As pastor of the nations largest UMC one would think that Caldwell was capable of thinking on his own. His bio emphatically states that one of the driving principles behind Windsor Villages growth from 25-14,000 is contributed to Pastor Caldwells belief that the church must embrace theology, identify societal problems, and deliver solutions holistically. In other words, the church must take the sanctuary to the streets.

Oh. Really? (Thats rank sarcasm in case you missed it.)

When Politico asked Caldwell if he supported gay marriage or civil unions, the highly successful pastor replied: I would need to check with the church.

As we warned, any black pastor who wants to partner with Obama publicly means you will have to squirm, cower and recant all of your previous biblical beliefs about homosexuality.

Just ask Rev. Kirbyjon Caldwell. We did, but there was no response to our email and phone call.

http://gcmwatch.wordpress.com/2008/02/23/kirbyjon-caldw... /

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Moral: when you pander, nobody ends up happy.
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Behind the Aegis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-25-08 01:57 AM
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1. Thanks for the info.
;) (ignore the PM)
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NMMNG Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-25-08 02:10 AM
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2. Oh noes.
Those evul Homosexual Activists bullied poor Kirbyjon Caldwell into denouncing his loving "ministry" to LGBTs. What is their problem with people claiming they're perverted sinners who need to change everything they are? :sarcasm:


Nice find, Bluebear. :thumbsup:
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Behind the Aegis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-25-08 02:11 AM
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4. Yes, but...
...are they gay Jews?! :evilgrin:
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emilyg Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-25-08 02:10 AM
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3. TY
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WillParkinson Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-25-08 02:15 AM
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5. "Cooed"?
I can't tell you the last time I cooed. Sure as hell wouldn't be over this.
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NMMNG Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-25-08 02:20 AM
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6. But are you gay?
All gays coo, don't you know? :sarcasm:
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WillParkinson Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-25-08 09:45 AM
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23. Yeah...
That was the kind of point I got from it, too.

And, yes, I'm a card carrying gay man. :-)
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ThatPoetGuy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-25-08 02:29 AM
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7. I found this lovely passage on the same blog:
"AIDS, is still a deadly disease which is largely caused by immoral choices based on lies."

http://gcmwatch.wordpress.com/2008/02/11/the-glamorous-... /

Some choice of reading matter there.
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Muzza Donating Member (397 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-25-08 02:35 AM
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9. Oh, how encouraging!
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Muzza Donating Member (397 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-25-08 02:34 AM
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8. Not surprised
Yet another reason for any self-respecting gay or lesbian person to not support Barack Obama. Add this in with his refusal to be photographed with the gay SF mayor in 2004, and his invitation to rampant homophobe McClurkin to his campaign events in 2007, and it's easy to see that Obama won't be including full gay/lesbian equality in his "yes we can" change-the-world agenda! Seems both Obama and some of his endorsers/associates on occasions have trouble remembering some pretty significant details from the past. They also have this little habit of deleting information from their websites when scrutiny sets in!

Here's a small summary of articles which address "Obama & LGBT" issues for anyone who is interested:

http://www.hillaryclintonforum.net/discussion/showthrea...
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Cronus Protagonist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-25-08 02:50 AM
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10. FYI - the SF mayor, Gavin Newsom is not gay
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Muzza Donating Member (397 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-25-08 06:57 AM
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17. Well.....may have been my gay-based assumption....
Wikipedia isn't exactly reliable! But let's just say this: Newsom was authorizing same-sex marriages in SF in 2004 and Obama did not want to be photographed with him:

http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c/a/2008/0...
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Cronus Protagonist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-25-08 10:37 AM
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27. True, he's a good friend of the gay community
And an all round good man. Obama was clearly triangulating politically when he refused to meet with him.
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MadBadger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-25-08 03:02 AM
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11. Oh How I love your hit piece website. Its so entertaining.
What are you gonna do if he wins the nomination?
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Muzza Donating Member (397 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-25-08 06:58 AM
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18. Don't know. It's just information. I didn't write the articles my friend.
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Recursion Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-25-08 06:27 AM
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14. Newsom is not gay
Edited on Mon Feb-25-08 06:27 AM by dmesg
And he was in the middle of his own scandal at the time.
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Muzza Donating Member (397 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-25-08 06:59 AM
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19. Ok, I am leaving that one. He is divorced though.
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Recursion Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-25-08 07:01 AM
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21. Err... yeah, "divorced"
The manner and fallout of that divorce was why he was politically toxic at that point.
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Bluenorthwest Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-25-08 09:54 AM
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24. Kirbyjon hates liars and gays
And you are not being honest. Newsome's divorce was long after Obama refused the photo op, which he did due to Newsome's support of gay marriage. Own it. If you don't really like it, talk to your candidate about it. But facts are facts, and Google is easy. Try it.
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QC Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-25-08 07:05 AM
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22. No, the divorce scandal was well after the picture incident. n/t
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terrya Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-25-08 06:52 AM
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16. Plus, there's this quote from Obama
"Giving them a set of basic rights would allow them to experience their relationship and live their lives in a way that doesn't cause discrimination," Obama said. "I think it is the right balance to strike in this society."

There are gays and lesbians who are deeply mistrustful of Obama re: GLBT issues. It's frankly easy to see why.
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Muzza Donating Member (397 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-25-08 06:59 AM
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20. Precisely.
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gaspee Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-25-08 04:37 AM
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12. Awww... how sweet
Bush and Obama have the same pastor friend. Isn't that cute?

:sarcasm:
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gaspee Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-25-08 04:47 AM
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13. I hate these people
I know hate is a strong word but whenever I read any quotes like the ones by the author of this article... I am just filled with hate.

Hmmm... didn't people used to justify the enslavement of blacks with their deeply held biblical beliefs?

What would the author of the article have to say about this quote from his article with just a couple of words changed around?

"As we warned, any white pastor who wants to partner with (generic politician) publicly means you will have to squirm, cower and recant all of your previous biblical beliefs about slavery and race."

Here's a nice passage from this idiot's book of choice...

Leviticus (25:44-46) states, "You may purchase male or female slaves from among the foreigners (heathens) who live among you. You may also purchase the children of such resident foreigners (strangers), including those who have been born in your land. You may treat them as your property, passing them on to your children as a permanent inheritance. You may treat your slaves like this, but the people of Israel, your relatives, must never be treated this way."

In fact, slavery is sanctioned over and over again in the bible. Jesus even condoned slavery.

How many times is homosexuality mentioned? Three, tops?

I hate the supposedly religious people - hypocrites to the last damn one.
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Iceburg Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-25-08 06:45 AM
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15. Obama supporter: "I would need to check with the church./nt
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KittyWampus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-25-08 10:00 AM
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25. Ah, the reliable Scab-picker posts more trash. Go find something on Hillary/Marbury
Edited on Mon Feb-25-08 10:01 AM by cryingshame
and maybe you wouldn't come across as so obvious.
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IndianaJones Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-25-08 10:09 AM
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26. who needs to pick at scabs when people like you are always causing fresh wounds? nt.
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