Woman Is the Nigger of the World ...Yoko Ono 1969

[Stanchetalarooni]

Woman Is the Nigger of the World - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia"Woman is the Nigger of the World" was a 1972 song by John Lennon and Yoko Ono. The phrase was originally coined by Ono during a magazine interview in 1969. ...
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[Oleladylib]

1. you could say so this year.

[gaspee]

4. Unfortunately

You could say that every year. I for one am quite sick of it, but it seems many women are not. Since they put up with the status quo. Don't even get me started on "fun" feminists who think stripping and porn are empowerment.

Nothing has changed under the surface. This campaign sure has brought *that* to light.

[Der Blaue Engel]

24. Until women stop belittling other women

with judgmental comments such as "fun feminists," we will never get there.

I hope someday you understand that.

[Kitty Herder]

29. By all means, blame the victims.

"Until women stop belittling other women..." I've had it with comments like that. We can't blame those we disagree with for the lack of progress on other women with whom we disagree. Lay the blame squarely where it belongs. On the patriarchy.

[Der Blaue Engel]

41. Did you not read the post I was responding to in which she was blaming women?

I've had it with hypocrisy.

[gaspee]

32. Oh, believe me

I understand that. But from my perspective, I think women who cooperate in their own debasement are collaborators in the patriarchy.

We can argue that point all day long. I'm a lot older than a lot of people who think they can be feminists while being a party to their own enslavement.

I'm a bit more radical than most. Too radical for a lot of tastes. I agree with Twisty on a lot of things, but this is one of the places we part ways. You can blame the patriarchy and enablers of the patriarchy at the same time. I don't believe they are mutually exclusive... YMMV.

You never get what you want without a fight. Capitulation is not an option - though I know many disagree with me. I tend to have separatist tendencies as well, another area I disagree mightily with many people.

If it takes separatism and a line in the sand to bring about the revolution, then I'm all for it.

[Der Blaue Engel]

42. Just to be clear, you are talking to a sex-positive feminist

who writes lesbian and bi erotica, and practices BDSM.

As it's quite clear what you think of me, we'll have to agree to disagree. But I will continue to object when I see women blaming other women for being "collaborators in the patriarchy."

[gaspee]

43. Wrong

You have no idea what I'm thinking about you. There are plenty of ways to be sex positive *without* collaborating with the patriarchy.

To say someone isn't sex positive is a smear right up there with the anti feminists. Yeah, sure, the anti exploitive porn people hate sex. That's it. Easy to say and easy to believe, but not true at all. If you can't see the difference between debasing yourself for the scraps men will give you (generic you, not *you* you) and asserting your own wants, needs, and desires, then I don't know how to make you see it.

There is a huge difference between being sex positive and being a collaborator, though the two can and do overlap.

[Der Blaue Engel]

51. To clarify, I wasn't inferring you were not sex positive

I was pointing out that I identify as such. There was no smear intended or implied.

[jillan]

2. I love that song.

k/r !!!!!

[gaspee]

3. I love that song

One of my favorites.

[buff2]

5. I hate the use of the "n" word

I just don't like hearing it from anyone,no matter what the circumstances. It's offensive and should not be used in here....especially in the subject line.That's just my opinion.

[gaspee]

6. I think it's contextual

I have a problem with the word also, but in the context of the song and the fact it's from 1972 does change the context.

It's also used for it's shock value - read the lyrics to the song.

[ChazII]

7. You are not alone.

I agree with your opinion.

[Stanchetalarooni]

8. I posted it and I hate it too. Sometimes it is necessary to look evil in the eye.

I am sorry that our world has its' ugly images. I would not post such an abomination unless I felt that it was critical to do so.

[China_cat]

13. You don't know how far you've come if you cover up

what you've come from.

Nigger is an offensive word. It's an ugly word. Pretending it never existed in any of its meanings demeans the people who have fought to teach people that it is offensive and ugly.

[Recursion]

18. *shrug* it was powerful and empowering, IMO, when Richard Pryor said it

Nothing is past reclamation.

[jlpohio69]

22. I agree the word is offensive

but why do you think so many blacks, especially young black males use that word? I seem to recall reading/hearing somewhere that some blacks view that word as empowering. How are young people, both black and white supposed to understand the hatred behind that word when it has become common place to say it?

[Johnny__Motown]

25. I agree, but here is an interview which explains it,

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S5lMxWWK218

[Tom Joad]

9. That certainly does not apply to very privileged,

very wealthy, very much a servant of the ruling class, and very much rewarded for her role... like Hillary Clinton.

Murdoch does not throw parties for N***

[goldcanyonaz]

19. Hillary wasn't born into priviledge. She worked her ass off all her life.

[Xithras]

52. She wasn't exactly poor.

She was the daughter of a successful businessman and was raised in one of Chicagos wealthier suburbs. They may not have been rich, but she was raised comfortably within an upper middle class household.

[Colobo]

10. Who has had it worse in the USA? White women or black people in general?

Just asking.

[Stanchetalarooni]

11. Apples and oranges.

Each has a seperate history and some of each have a shared history. Perhaps to be empathic to all will not force us to minimize anothers who struggle.

[saracat]

12. Women have been equally enslaved and for many more centuries. In fact,

women are currently still being smuggled into this nation from eastern Europe, Thailand, Maexico and China, as well as other countries to be "Slaves' both in prostituion and industry and very little is being done about it. Women have suffered longer and continue to do so.JMHO.And a reminder. Black males in this country were given the right to vote before women in the USA and the ERA has yet to pass giving us classification as a protected status.

[China_cat]

14. Black women. Most of all.

[malletgirl02]

15. Thank you for mentioning this nt.

[GreenPartyVoter]

20. So true. To be a woman is bad. To be a woman of any color other than white, worse.

[goldcanyonaz]

17. Black women, and in our own community too. No brainer there.

[ContinentalOp]

26. Women have been able to vote since 1920.

African Americans have only been able to really vote since 1965. That's one way to look at it.

[hughee99]

50. And yet on an international basis...

You'll struggle to name a black world leader in the last 100 years outside of Africa (there are some in the Caribbean). It's not that hard to come up with a list of women that covers the world.

[pnwmom]

31. The hierarchy is: white men, black men, white women, black women --

if you're looking at average salaries. Otherwise, define "has it worse."

But the comparison has no relevance to the argument of how much privilege one particular woman candidate did or didn't grow up with. As everyone knows, Hillary and Bill "enjoyed" typically low Arkansas salaries throughout their years there, and consequently had very little in the way of savings when he became President.

On the other hand, Obama and his wife's combined salaries have been in excess of $400K, and last year they reported a total income of around $900K. (And Michelle herself defies the conventional hierarchy, because her own salary -- a black woman's salary -- is higher than her husband's or either of the Clintons.)

And is it better to have a father run off and leave you with your mother and loving grandparents when you're two? Or to be stuck in a two-parent home with an abusive bully of a father for your first 17 years?

I wouldn't say Barack's "had it worse" than Hillary. Neither of them had a great beginning, and both have made a great deal of their lives. Trying to rank them in order of who "had it worse" is ridiculous.

[Skidmore]

33. I disagree with your hierarchy.

Back in the day, white men were more than willing to make room for white women in the business world to avoid hiring black men or women. That happened.

[pnwmom]

34. I'm not talking about fifty years ago. I'm talking about Obama's adulthood.

Those salary numbers have been amazingly constant over the last twenty or thirty years.

But regardless, I would have to be hard pressed to argue that the individual human being, Barack Obama, has "had it worse" over his lifetime than the individual Hillary Clinton.

They both grew up in middle class homes, but he had an absent father and she had an abusive father. She graduated from the public schools, he attended a prestigious prep school from grades 5-12. She graduated from Wellesley, he from Columbia by way of Occidental.

As individual human beings, I don't know how anyone could say one was "worse off" than the other. And that's what we were talking about, two human beings, not two symbols.

[Skidmore]

38. Well, Obama is in his forties

and that wasn't too far out from your fifty years. Listen, I'm a white woman approaching 60, married to a black man, and with children of mixed ethnicity. I thought I had experienced problems because of gender periodically in my life, but had never witnessed the problems my husband experiences in employment and socially. My son experiences similar problems because of his skin color too. I do believe that white women benefitted more from the civil rights movement than did people of color. Now that is not to denigrate the work of suffragettes and women leaders, but it is just a fact employers were willing to hire white women before people of color.

I have single parented because of a spouse who absented himself. It is not easy to do so and more power to her if she had parents who were willing to help out. I remember back then well and Obama's mother was stigmatized in more than one way by society. Divorce was frowned up on then as was marriage to a black man, and then to have child born of a mixed marriage at a time when society was not accepting. I also remember the jobs section of the newspaper then was divided between jobs deemed suitable on the basis of gender. That it was a time when many men thought it was an affront to their abilities to provide for their families if the wife needed to work outside the home. Lots of women back then also looked down on women who worked outside the home and felt their marriages were somehow threatened by them.


As far as prestigious educational institutions and opportunity, I do believe he made his way based on scholarships, which means that he needed to achieve to earn his place in those institutions, as have many others who do not have wealth from birth.

I don't think Obama came up easy by any means.

[pnwmom]

40. I'm sure he didn't come up easy. But neither did Hillary.

And she clearly worked as hard as he did, or she wouldn't have ended up Valedictorian at Wellesley.

Again, I don't know how anyone can compare the risks/benefits of an absent vs. an abusive father (physically and emotionally, according to his other children and friends of the family). Both Barack and Hillary grew up in basically middle class households and went to good schools. Beyond that, it's just apples and oranges to know who had it worse.

[cd3dem]

48. you are statistically correct!

a woman with a graduate degree makes about the same as a man with a high school diploma.. and black men are in between white men and women...

I have a graduate degree and am a white woman.. I have been unemployed for two years... can't get an entry level job even and I am 48... graduated with a 4.0

if I were a white man or a black man, I would have been hired by now...

[DemocratSinceBirth]

35. Gays, Bisexuals, And Transgendered Persons By A Mile

~

[pnwmom]

36. Depends on where they live and if they're out or not. n/t

[DemocratSinceBirth]

37. Gwen Araujo Lived And Died In NoCal-Ostensibly One Of The Most Progressive Areas In The Country

http://jaimesite.homestead.com/gwenaraujo.html

[pnwmom]

47. Thanks, but I have my own anecdotal sample, if I need it.

My father and his friends.

[trayfoot]

16. Ono was CORRECT..........

THEN and NOW! DAMN shame, but the truth!

[BlackVelvet04]

21. lyrics.....

JOHN LENNON - WOMAN IS THE NIGGER OF THE WORLD

Woman is the nigger of the world
Yes she is, think about it
Woman is the nigger of the world
Think about it, do something about it

We make her paint her face and dance

If she won't be a slave, we say that she don't love us
If she's real, we say she's trying to be a man
While putting her down, we pretend that she's above us

Woman is the nigger of the world, yes she is
If you don't believe me, take a look at the one you're with
Woman is the slave of the slaves
Oh, yeah, better scream about it, yeah

We insult her everyday on TV
And we wonder why she has no guts or confidence
When she's young we kill her will to be free
While telling her not to be so smart
We put her down for being so dumb

Woman is the nigger of the world, yes she is
If you don't believe me, take a look at the one you're with
Woman is the slave of the slaves, yes she is
If you don't believe me, you better scream about it

We make her paint her face and dance

We make her bear and raise our children
And then we leave her flat for being a fat old mother hen
We tell her home is the only place she should be
Then we complain that she's too unworldly to be our friend

[Kitty Herder]

28. It makes me so angry that these words are as true today as ever.

:grr: :nuke: :nuke: :grr:

[cooolandrew]

23. I understand the sentiment but peace was and still is her primary goal and barack has

shown a stronger inclinaton for peace. War hurts women across the world, who suffer when their families die from the cost of war. Barack will potentialy get a big vote that will allow him to address issues of poverty at home and abroad that are a component of domestic violence. Once you have unity, you have more respect and a safer environment for women. He is everyones best hope.

[Kitty Herder]

27. Sometimes you have to use ugly words to reveal ugly, yet profound truths.

I've always loved that quote from Yoko Ono and admired her courage in saying it.

[Guava Jelly]

30. Fuck I hate that word

And I ain't talking about Woman

[Raffi Ella]

39. ...

wow,just wow.

Thank you for this.


K&R.

[Breeze54]

44. John Lennon - 'Woman is the "N" of the World' (YouTube)

"Our society is run by insane people for insane objectives. I think we're being run by maniacs
for maniacal ends and I think I'm liable to be put away as insane for expressing that. That's what's
insane about it." -John Lennon-

John Lennon - 'Woman is the "N" of the World'
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S5lMxWWK218

[AGirl]

45. Bitch is the new Black

[Bucky]

46. HA! You wish! Sorry, but Mexican immigrants are still more hate than all women combined.

[CitizenRob]

49. That may have been true in 1969 in the US.

But this is 2008, nearly 40 years later. An entire generation has grown up into their middle age with female leaders in all aspects of life. At 31 I can't imagine a world in which women do not have equal footing with men. Sure, there may still be some inequalities here in the US, but not nearly enough to account for the level of "I'm a victim!!!!" screeching I'm hearing from Hillary's fembot supporters.