Clinton: Obama mailings are deceptive

[babsbunny]

http://www.rawstory.com/news/mochila/Clinton_Obama_mailings_are_deceptiv_02232008.html

Hillary Clinton Rips Barack Obama's Campaign Over Mailings on Her Health Plan, Trade Views

BETH FOUHY
AP News

Feb 23, 2008 13:29 EST

Hillary Rodham Clinton said Saturday that a pair of mailings sent to voters by rival Barack Obama's campaign criticizing her health care plan and trade views are false, misleading and a betrayal of his pledge to practice a new style of politics.



"Shame on you, Barack Obama. It is time you ran a campaign consistent with your messages in public — that's what I expect from you," Clinton said angrily, waving the mailings in the air.

[Araxen]

1. LOL!

aka "You went against our gameplan, we didn't expect you to attack us" waaaaaaaaaahhh

[KhaOZ]

20. The Mailers were TRUTH, but it's a TRUTH that hurts her, so she's trying to SPIN out of it by

acting like there's something false stated on the mailers, without specifying which part is false, so average voters just assume it's not credible.

[KhaOZ]

24. Not to mentiion the Hillary Hypocrisy - PICTURE

Lies, Spin and Hypocrisy, more of what we get now! Keep things how they are, Vote Hillary!

[TheDebbieDee]

27. Read it and weep, Obamacans..........

Sorry, but I don't know how any other way to refer to someone else's post on DU, but he explains it better than I ever could.

Below is research performed by DUer Harvey Korman:

http://www.politico.com/blogs/bensmith/0108/More_negati...

The Obama campaign sends out an ugly mailer. Sorry, but this is just destructive — like the Obama plan, the Clinton plan offers subsidies to lower-income families. And BO himself has conceded that he might have to penalize people who don’t buy insurance until they need care. So this is just poisoning the well for health care reform. The politics of hope, indeed.


http://krugman.blogs.nytimes.com/2008/02/01/obama-does-... /

**Basically Obama sets the entire cause of UHC back by using RW scare tactics.

**personal comments of DUer Harvey Korman

[PassingFair]

29. Hahahaha. Can you SEE the post above you?

Pot, kettle.

:rofl:

They are criticizing each OTHERS plans.

Read it and weep, indeed.

[Rosemary2205]

2. So what did the mailing say and how were they false?

Hopefully one of the outraged Clinton supporters from Ohio will scan them and post them for us.

[RUMMYisFROSTED]

4. No one has said yet.

:shrug:

[maximusveritas]

9. The only thing I've heard

is that the NAFTA mailing puts the word "boon" in quotes, which might imply that those were words Clinton said when they were the words the newspaper used about Clinton's position towards NAFTA. It's certainly not a lie, but it is a little misleading. But Clinton is just trying to over-react in order to blunt the impact and sow some confusion about the fact that she did support NAFTA.

[RUMMYisFROSTED]

12. The base questions are "Did she support NAFTA?"

And "Will insurance companies profit under her plan?"


Did I get that right? :shrug:

[OzarkDem]

3. Lying about health care reform - How low can Obama go?

He is truly a sick, sick person.

[RUMMYisFROSTED]

5. Point out the lies, please.

[OzarkDem]

14. For the reading impaired

Clinton advisers have repeatedly criticized the Obama campaign's health care mailing, which says her plan for universal coverage would "force" everyone to purchase insurance even if they can't afford it. Her plan does require everyone to be covered, but it offers tax credits and other subsidies to make insurance more affordable.

Obama's plan does not include the so-called "individual mandate" for adults, and he has argued that people cannot be required to buy coverage if they can't afford it. However, his plan does mandate parents buy health insurance to cover children.

The second mailing, on North American Free Trade Agreement, quotes a 2006 Newsday article suggesting Clinton believed the agreement had been a "boon" to the economy. NAFTA and other trade agreements are extremely unpopular in Ohio, which has suffered an exodus of blue-collar jobs to other countries in part due to such agreements.

It's a particularly sensitive matter for Clinton, whose husband championed and passed the agreement as president. She is counting on the support of white, working class voters in the state.

"I am fighting to change NAFTA," she insisted. "Neither of us were in the Senate when NAFTA passed. Neither voted one way or the other."

[hfojvt]

25. good grief. Tax credits? Just like Rudy Giuliani. Tax credits?

Unless they are refundable, many low income people pay no income taxes and thus do not benefit AT ALL from a new tax credit. Family of four making less than $42,850 pays zero income taxes.

"other subsidies" is kinda vague. Bottom line is that Obama says her plan would "force" everybody to buy insurance and that is basically true - "Her plan does require everyone to be covered"

[mod mom]

31. Has she denounced the DLC which advocates free trade? Obama did.

[mod mom]

32. "Hillary Clinton PRETENDS She Never Praised NAFTA":

Hillary Clinton Pretends She Never Praised NAFTA
Posted February 14, 2008 | 06:20 PM (EST)

-snip
The Huffington Post has followed along with a laugh-out-loud piece in which the chief architects of NAFTA (many who are now wealthy corporate lawyers and lobbyists) are now saying, no, no, Hillary Clinton was really opposed to it. These are the same people, of course, who are looking for jobs in the Hillary Clinton White House.

What a total joke, really. This campaign clearly thinks we are all just a bunch of fools.

Hillary Clinton has made statements unequivocally trumpeting NAFTA as the greatest thing since sliced bread. The Buffalo News reports that back in 1998, Clinton attended the World Economic Forum in Davos, Switzerland, and thanked praised corporations for mounting "a very effective business effort in the U.S. on behalf of NAFTA." Yes, you read that right: She traveled to Davos to thank corporate interests for their campaign ramming NAFTA through Congress.

On November 1, 1996, United Press International reported that on a trip to Brownsville, Texas, Clinton "touted the president's support for the North American Free Trade Agreement, saying it would reap widespread benefits in the region."

The Associated Press followed up the next day noting that Hillary Clinton touted the fact that "the president would continue to support economic growth in South Texas through initiatives such as the North American Free Trade Agreement."

-snip
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/david-sirota/hillary-clinton-pretends-_b_86747.html


Clinton promoted her husband's trade agenda for years, and friends say that she's a free-trader at heart. ``The simple fact is, nations with free-market systems do better,'' she said in a 1997 speech to the Corporate Council on Africa. ``Look around the globe: Those nations which have lowered trade barriers are prospering more than those that have not.''

AND HERE IS MORE:

Praise for Nafta

At the 1998 World Economic Forum in Davos, Switzerland, she praised corporations for mounting ``a very effective business effort in the U.S. on behalf of Nafta.'' She added: ``It is certainly clear that we have not by any means finished the job that has begun.''

Clinton ``is committed to free trade and to the growing role of the international economy,'' said Steven Rattner, a Clinton fundraiser and co-founder of Quadrangle Group LLC, a New York buyout firm. ``She would absolutely do the right thing as president.''

There was little evidence of a protectionist tilt to Clinton's trade views during either her 2000 campaign or first years in the Senate. She stressed issues such as homeland security and children's health care, and wasn't a major voice in trade-policy debates.

-snip
http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=20601070&sid=atUKcP4eSEvY&refer=politics

[RUMMYisFROSTED]

33. Parsing.

:shrug:

[Madam Mossfern]

6. Can you tell us what the lies were

in that campaign literature?

I'm willing to listen.

[OzarkDem]

11. Read the article

[TheDebbieDee]

28. Try this.......

This research was performed by DUer Harvey Korman and he explains it much better than I ever could.

http://www.politico.com/blogs/bensmith/0108/More_negati...

The Obama campaign sends out an ugly mailer. Sorry, but this is just destructive — like the Obama plan, the Clinton plan offers subsidies to lower-income families. And BO himself has conceded that he might have to penalize people who don’t buy insurance until they need care. So this is just poisoning the well for health care reform. The politics of hope, indeed.


http://krugman.blogs.nytimes.com/2008/02/01/obama-does-... /

"Basically Obama sets the entire cause of UHC back by using RW scare tactics." Harvey Korman

[TAWS]

7. Lies?? He quoted her in the mailing

[pocoloco]

15. What lies???

Inquiring minds would like to know.

[LordJFT]

8. pot calling the kettle black?

http://hotlineblog.nationaljournal.com/archives/2008/02/hrc_hits_obama.html

This mailer seems a lot more deceptive to me.

[bunnies]

10. Clinton: Its only OK when I do it!

too fucking funny. Im sure the Obama campaign wont hesitate to point that out.

[Johnny__Motown]

13. This attack looks Xeroxed to me

[ProSense]

16. Fact check: the one a Hillary adviser claimed was "outrageous as having Nazis march through Skokie"

According to news reports, the Clinton campaign lashed out at the use of the mailer in a conference call with selected reporters, complaining that the mail piece bears a resemblance to the "Harry and Louise" TV spots of 1993 and 1994 (pictured here).

One person on the call emotionally said the Obama mail piece was "outrageous as having Nazis march through Skokie, Illinois." That outburst was quickly disavowed during the call by Clinton spokesman Howard Wolfson, who said it is "not a comparison that (the campaign) would make." The unpaid health care adviser who made the remark, Len Nichols of the New America Foundation, later apologized. He sent an e-mail to reporters saying, "My passions overwhelmed me. I chose an analogy that was wholly inappropriate."

We agree that there is a resemblance between the photo on the Obama mailer and the TV spots. In those ads actors portraying a white, middle-class couple expressed grave concerns about how the Clinton administration's health care plan would affect them. The ads were part of a $17 million campaign by the insurance industry that was widely credited – rightly or wrongly – with contributing to the defeat of the Clinton plan, and the ads still anger many advocates of broader government efforts to provide health insurance. But so far as we can see, Obama's choice of images in his mailer has nothing whatever to do with the accuracy of the claims it makes, or the accuracy of what "Harry and Louise" said, for that matter.

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[TheFarseer]

17. Clinton's position on free trade

is impossible to defend unless you're Steve Forbes or one of the chosen few who benefits from this garbage. Her plan for people losing high paying jobs is to tell them "Oh well, you'll get a new job". Her healthcare plan does nothing to address the cause of our healthcare crisis, which is the costs, and her mortgage plan doesn't make any sense to anyone who examines it for over 5 seconds. For all her talk about real solutions, she sure doesn't seem to have any.

[ElsewheresDaughter]

18. all Democrat 's should be OUTRAGED...these are ROVIAN!

[TwilightGardener]

22. LOL! I guess Obama can play the game just fine, then, huh? All that shit about

how he'll let the GOP gut him like a trout, that he doesn't have the political skills to fight--ha!

[PassingFair]

30. He must have dug out one of them there "lapel pins" and gained

PATRIOTIC SUPERPOWERS!

:rofl:

[jenmito]

19. Obama responded that the flyer is absolutely true. n/t

[DUyellow]

21. AGAIN... What was false about the mailing?

[jenmito]

23. NOTHING. And I'm glad Obama defended it!

:)

[TexasObserver]

26. Shame on Hillary for selling out to the Insurance Industry and advocating garnishing wages.

She's desperate, she's lying worse than usual, and she's going to get her butt kicked thoroughly for lying about it.