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mtnsnake Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-22-08 10:33 AM
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If Obama supporters think by Hillary's closing comments that she's thinking of quitting
and that "she knows it's over", then you all might be setting yourselves up for a major disappointment.

IMO, Hillary's closing comments were a hugely successful attempt by her to increase her "likability" among undecided voters. I think she still has plenty of confidence in her campaign and is no where close to thinking she can't win. I think her closing comments were planned in a very clever way to pull at the strings of the voters in a favorable manner for her.

You and I have made up our minds, but Hillary is counting on hundreds of thousands of voters coming out of that debate saying to themselves, "You know something?....Hillary Clinton is not as bad a person as I've heard she is. I always knew she was competent, but now I kind of like her, too."
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mrreowwr_kittty Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-22-08 10:35 AM
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1. She's very clever. nt
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LakeSamish706 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-22-08 10:36 AM
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2. Sorry, but her comments of last night were totally disingenuous as is...
witnessed by her cheating comments of today with respect to seating MI and FL...
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rodeodance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-22-08 11:43 AM
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19. and you know that don't you!!--like you access to her feelings. shame on you.
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nomorewhopper Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-22-08 10:37 AM
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3. if she's not thinking of quitting, just like she had no plan-b....
...she is hurting her chances

of course she is thinking of dropping out. if they don't have a plan they are totally mismanaging that campaign. doesn't mean she's going to, and i think she's going to stick aorund for OH and TX, but at some point the writing IS going to be on the wall. her future ability to run for president, and the clinton legacy is going to be on the line. she needs to think about conceding.
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Rosa Luxemburg Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-22-08 10:38 AM
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4. Both candidates are primed for the debate
the advisors tell them what to say.
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RoadRage Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-22-08 10:38 AM
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5. I think her closing comments aren't even hers.. she owes a nice
Thank you to her husband & John Edwards for those closing comments.

Geez, if you're going to bring up a hint of plagerism, perhaps you should make sure that what comes out of your mouth is your own. The Xerox line follwed 20 minutes later by that closing that turns out to be cut from 2 other politicians really isn't going to win her many votes.

:eyes:
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texas_indy Donating Member (432 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-22-08 10:43 AM
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9. I guess we'll need to check with Bill and John to see what she
meant by it since she stole, oops I mean "borrowed", the lines from them, eh? :)


Texas Obamatrons for Obama!
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rodeodance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-22-08 11:40 AM
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15. I think they will be honored to have Hillary use some of their words.
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Alexander Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-22-08 01:49 PM
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33. Closing remarks you can Xerox.
Oh, I forgot - it's only plagiarism when Obama does it.

:crazy:
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MoJoWorkin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-22-08 10:38 AM
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6. Never thought she would quit---
It was all contrived. I saw thru that like I saw thru the run up to the Iraq crap.

I am hoping that the American people are beginning to wise up to this kind of BS.

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bellasgrams Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-22-08 11:42 AM
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18. Nojo-she nor her camp have never said anything about quiting
Only the Bomites on DU have come up with that. Anything could happen ya know.
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Egnever Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-22-08 10:38 AM
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7. I think you are right.
Calculated. It fooled me last night, then I woke up this morning and heard her florida ploy restated all over again and swung back to reality.

She may not know its over yet but she is about to get a reality check. The question now becomes will she save face at all and gracefully bow out or will she go down flailing wildly forever tarnishing her legacy.
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scheming daemons Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-22-08 10:39 AM
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8. Until those undecideds watch the cable networks tonight and see that she "plagiarized" those lines..
...Both MSNBC and CNN picked up on this last night.... Keith O. especially.
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HeraldSquare212 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-22-08 10:43 AM
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10. A lot of people thought that, not just Obama supporters.
You have to admit, it was a bit odd, and if you're right, then it was a big mistake.
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ElsewheresDaughter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-22-08 10:47 AM
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11. you are correct....she is not a quitter....it ticles me to hear all the chattering
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Yael Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-22-08 10:59 AM
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12. Quitting wasn't the reaction I had -- "plagiarizing" John Edwards was
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gristy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-22-08 11:21 AM
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13. You should update your OP subject line
It should read "If you Obama supporters think by Hillary's closing comments that she's thinking of quitting"
:evilgrin:
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bellasgrams Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-22-08 11:37 AM
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14. More people would like her if they would take the time to
listen to her and watch her. I did. I wasn't even considering her because of the 'hate Hillary' rhetoric, but the more I listened and watched her interact with people the more I grew to have respect for her. She doesn't have to do this, but she feels she can make a difference and I think she can. Someone on another thread however said white males won't vote for her, and I know my grandson said the guys he works with said they would never vote for a woman. That says alot when considering many have daughters. Do you think they would want their daughters to be refused a job because she's female?
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rodeodance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-22-08 11:41 AM
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16. thanks for the post.
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scheming daemons Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-22-08 11:41 AM
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17. I have two daughters... 13 and 9.... and I would DEFINITELY vote for a woman for President...
...just not THIS PARTICULAR woman.
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HiFructosePronSyrup Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-22-08 11:44 AM
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20. People like the comments because they think she's being concilliatory.
i.e., Clinton's best act will be conceding.
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Cameron27 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-22-08 11:44 AM
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21. You know what snake,
it's becoming glaringly apparent that some of the Obama supporters' perception of things is so vastly different from my own, that I have to disregard their opinions for the time being. I think it's bizarre, but I wasn't here in 04' so maybe it's just typical DU partisanship.
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MadHound Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-22-08 11:45 AM
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22. You have your way of viewing it, others have their way of viewing
Personally I saw it as Hillary's acknowledgment that she's got a real tough climb to get the nomination, which she does. She has to pull out each and every state from here on out by sixty percent or more. If she loses Texas and/or Ohio, you might as well stick a fork in her, she's done. I think that her statements were an acknowledgment of this fact and that she was showing that she was, unlike many of her supporters, in touch with the reality of the situation.

I wouldn't be surprised at all to see her get out of the race after Texas and Ohio. Her campaign is in debt, and unless she pulls a miracle off in both of those states she will be facing very long odds.
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babylonsister Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-22-08 11:50 AM
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23. Too bad that war vote points out the glaring hypocrisy of her comments.
But her delivery was top notch! :thumbsup:
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cali Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-22-08 11:52 AM
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24. um, I don't see how you can say her closing remarks were
"hugely successful attempt by her to increase her likability" when you have no evidence that it's so.
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bling bling Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-22-08 11:56 AM
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25. I agree.
I didn't think her closing remark sounded like a concession at all.

In fact, I would swear I heard her make similar comment as a response to the reporter (Katie Couric, I think) on 60 minutes a few weeks ago. I could be wrong about this but I thought Couric asked her what would happen if she didn't win and Clinton's response was along the lines of what she said last night.


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AX10 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-22-08 11:58 AM
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26. She's in it for the win!
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Exilednight Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-22-08 12:01 PM
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27. In her post debate speech she set herself up for a Rudy G.exit...
She said that Texas would decide the next President.
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Occam Bandage Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-22-08 12:06 PM
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28. Hillary is not thinking of quitting. She is running a very successful campaign.
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democrattotheend Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-22-08 01:34 PM
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29. I agree with you 100%
My mom saw it as a concession, but I thought it was a strategic move designed to increase likeability. I think her tactics have turned a number of people off, and by making it look like she will bow out graciously if the time comes, she was able to tug at people's heartstrings and make them realize maybe that's not the outcome they want. Kind of like the way so many people were sad to see Edwards drop out, even those who weren't supporting him.

It worked on me...I am pretty passionate about supporting Obama, but Clinton last night made me feel like I'd be sad to see her drop out.

Your observations are dead on, and I am glad you said it, because I was afraid that as an Obama supporter, I'd come off wrong if I pointed out my theory on what her motive was.
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bvar22 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-22-08 01:44 PM
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30. It is NOT Obama supporters
....who are setting themselves up for a "major disappointment".

The writing is on the wall for those who can read.

"The moving finger writes and then moves on, nor all your piety can lure it back to retrace a line nor your tears wash out a word of it."---John Donne
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KittyWampus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-22-08 01:45 PM
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31. I don't think she's quitting. I think her scripted & prepared closing was emotional manipulation
as she tries to get voters to see her as the besieged candidate.

And good for her, politics is theater.
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Independent-Voter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-22-08 01:46 PM
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32. I hope she rides her campaign all the way into the ground. Seal that legacy Hillary. Seal it.
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Danger Mouse Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-22-08 01:51 PM
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34. Too bad that it's hit the media that her closing comments were ripped off...
from John Edwards and her husband.
Oh, and considering her snippy 'change you can xerox' line, it makes her look like a HUGE hypocrite.
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robbedvoter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-22-08 04:13 PM
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35. And a successful one it was - by the venom here and on Randi's show
I have never seen such reactions to a debate bedore! Not even the one where Kerry humiliated W.
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