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ButterflyBlood Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-21-08 05:35 PM
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So what states that count has Obama won?
Since we keep hearing from Hillbots that any state h wins doesn't count for whatever reason. So can you give me someone exmaples of some states he's won that do count and do matter?
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Enrique Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-21-08 05:36 PM
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1. they all count
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jgraz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-21-08 05:42 PM
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2. How do you tell if a state doesn't count?
If you're Hillary, you know a state doesn't count when you lose that state.
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sloppyjoe25s Donating Member (664 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-21-08 05:45 PM
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3. No State that Obama Wins Counts
it's that simple.

also delegates he has don't count either.

Didn't you get the memo? ;)
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smalll Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-21-08 06:03 PM
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4. Let's go through them all.
Edited on Thu Feb-21-08 06:05 PM by smalll
Which states did he win that count? The states with sizeable population, a good cross-section of demographics that are representative of the nation at large, and which might actually vote for the Democrat in November.

So the states Obama won which count are: Wisconsin, Illinois (yes, it was his home state, but it certainly fulfills the criteria mentioned above,) Minnesota (although there was little more than 200,000 total vote there: it must have been one of those goddamm caucuses we have been infested with this year,) and Missouri (although it was a very narrow win.)

The states Hillary won that count are: California, New York, New Jersey, Massachusetts, Florida (your guy was on the ballot here: I'm fair, I'm not counting Michigan,) and possibly Tennessee (its chances of going blue in November are not high (higher than places like Idaho though) but it is a fully diverse state rural and urban, and not devoid of a working class.)

Which states did Obama win that don't count? Hawaii (home state caucus,) Virginia and Maryland (black voters and latte liberals in the suburbs of DC like Fairfax County,) DC, Louisiana (black vote,) Nebraska, Georgia (black vote again,) Colorado (may go blue, but a small state, with not much over 100,000 voters in - yep - another goddam caucus,) Connecticut (you can't get more well-heeled and latte liberal, except perhaps with Vermont or "Democrats Abroad,") Kansas, Utah, North Dakota, Idaho (all those states with more tumbleweeds than people, and the tumbleweeds all vote Republican,) Alaska (frozen tumbleweeds,) and Delaware.

Did I miss any? I may have, but I'm pretty confident I didn't miss any states that count.
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ButterflyBlood Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-21-08 06:07 PM
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6. So do you propose stripping all delegates from the "not counting" states?
Edited on Thu Feb-21-08 06:07 PM by ButterflyBlood
Because right now, I've got news, they do count.

And since it's an election among Democrats, why does it having a chance of voting for the nominee in November matter at all? Are you saying if you're a Democrat in a small minority in a state you should lose all say just because of the rest of your state?
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XemaSab Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-21-08 06:09 PM
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7. You forgot Washington state
:P
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smalll Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-21-08 06:17 PM
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11. Sorry, yes I did.
It's a large enough and diverse enough state that I might put it in the "count" column for Obama. Except, wasn't it another one of these caucuses? Plus, Seattle -- please. That's the very fount and origin of latte liberalism! It's no accident, comrade, that Obama wins the home state of Starbucks.
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book_worm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-21-08 06:11 PM
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8. They all count--even the caucus states
Edited on Thu Feb-21-08 06:13 PM by book_worm
that some of you HRC supporters discount because they have delegates and the main reason they count is that Hillary decided they didn't count and so Obama got huge percentages out of them and got the lionshare of delegates. He got more delegates out of Colorado (another state you discount even though polls show Obama could win the state, while Hillary would lose to McCain) than Hillary got out of New Jersey. And we have a better chance of picking up Colorado or even Kansas (where a new SUSA poll has Obama only five points behind McCain, while HRC is 25 points behind) than we do of winning Tennessee which you seem to feel counts more. What about NY? Survey USA shows Obama beating McCain in her own state by over 20-points while Clinton only manages a 11-point lead. Same with NJ. They all count and all those blue states you think are so important are going to go to Obama and the only thing is he may pick up some of those other states you think don't count.
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ButterflyBlood Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-21-08 06:25 PM
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15. Hell Obama more delegates out of IDAHO than Hillary did in NJ!
n/t
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book_worm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-21-08 06:42 PM
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21. So true.
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doni_georgia Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-21-08 06:12 PM
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9. Gee great to know I am from a state that doesn't count in your opinion
I got news for you. Barack stands a good chance of winning Georgia. And what the fuck is with this "Latte liberals?" I really hate it when Dems adopt Limbaughese. For the record, I drink lattes and red wine. I also fish, drink beer, and love to cook pigs in a spit in my parents' yard. Don't try to label me -daggumit!
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karynnj Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-21-08 06:16 PM
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10. Connecticut, Virgina, DE and MD count and are less liberal than NJ and MA
If you are ruling out states as liberal MA and then NJ go first. You missed Washington state.
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smalll Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-21-08 06:21 PM
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12. I'm not ruling out states as "liberal" -- NJ and MA are definitely "liberal"
Edited on Thu Feb-21-08 06:22 PM by smalll
meaning, especially, Democratic. But they are both states, despite pockets of latte liberal wealth, that are just so heavily populated and filled with (non-snazzy) urban areas that the Regular Democrats totally swamp any exceptionalist Obama vote.

Connecticut used to be country club Republican, now it's pretty much latte liberal, at least in the Democratic primaries.
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Bicoastal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-21-08 06:24 PM
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14. Pssst--this is not a winning strategy. It annoys Dems who live in these states.
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Starbucks Anarchist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-21-08 06:26 PM
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16. No well-heeled latte drinkers in California?
:rofl:
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smalll Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-21-08 06:38 PM
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20. California, like New York, is a LARGE state, filled with multitudes.
Edited on Thu Feb-21-08 06:38 PM by smalll
Filled with a lot of unassuming neighborhoods in the many, many (non-snazzy) urban areas scattered around those states. There are legions and legions of Regular Democrats in those states that effectively overwhelm exceptionalist Obama voters in Beverly Hills or the Upper West Side. Even in Democratic primaries!
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Starbucks Anarchist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-21-08 06:42 PM
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22. I voted for Obama in NYC and don't live anywhere near the Upper West Side.
Nor Manhattan itself, for that matter.

I live in a working-class neighborhood and make a comparable wage, or at least I thought I did until you reminded me that I'm a member of the upper-crust elite.

Now where's my damn latte?!

:crazy:
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WritingIsMyReligion Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-21-08 06:46 PM
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24. You listen to jazz.
Fucking elite. :P

:rofl:
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Starbucks Anarchist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-21-08 06:48 PM
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26. Curses! Foiled again!
:P
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WritingIsMyReligion Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-21-08 06:49 PM
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27. Yup. Only yuppies and black people listen to jazz.
Proven fact. :P
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Starbucks Anarchist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-21-08 06:51 PM
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29. Now if you'll excuse me...
I have to step over a homeless person on my way to the opera. Be gone, knave!
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WritingIsMyReligion Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-21-08 06:55 PM
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34. Nononono....
You're supposed to KICK the homeless person. You bleeding-heart!
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Starbucks Anarchist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-21-08 06:56 PM
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35. I should tie a piece of bread with string and lead him into traffic.
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WritingIsMyReligion Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-21-08 07:00 PM
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36. That's better.
:P
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smalll Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-21-08 06:49 PM
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28. Yes, but you are called "Starbucks Anarchist" --
How could you not vote for Obama?
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Starbucks Anarchist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-21-08 06:52 PM
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31. I have no idea what you're getting at.
But it's probably meaningless, anyway.
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WritingIsMyReligion Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-21-08 06:45 PM
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23. You forgot Maine and its caucuses.
What are we? Goddamned caucuses, or is there more? There certainly isn't a black vote.
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smalll Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-21-08 06:52 PM
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30. Caucus. Also, wasn't Maine close?
Plus, today Portland is pretty heavily latte liberal. And there's a lot of rich folks up there around places like Blue Hill and Bar Harbor.
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WritingIsMyReligion Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-21-08 06:54 PM
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33. Maine was 60-40 I think, so not close.
Not a squeaker by any means. As to latte-drinking Portland and the richies in the 'Bunks, etc.--- :rofl:

:)
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Bucky Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-21-08 06:05 PM
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5. "States that count" is like soooo last week.
Try and keep up with the zeitgeist, Butterfly
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Thrill Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-21-08 06:23 PM
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13. None of them count
Only when Hillary wins do they count
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OPERATIONMINDCRIME Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-21-08 06:26 PM
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17. The State Of Hypnosis?
:rofl:
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Barack_America Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-21-08 06:27 PM
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18. By definition, none of them count.
They're all either:
-too small
-too red
-too black
-too caucusey
-too "latte liberal"
-too southern

By definition, you do not count unless you vote for Hillary.
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Big Blue Marble Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-21-08 06:27 PM
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19. Didn't you get the memo?
Not one state or district or island or anything. Not even one delegate or vote. nothing he has done counts?

Why do you even ask? :sarcasm:
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Arkana Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-21-08 06:47 PM
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25. It's worth mentioning that not only did he win in places where
Dems traditionally don't, he won in places where the states are red but itching to turn blue.

Case in point: Virginia, Colorado.

I still maintain that if he had had another week or two in CA and MA he would have tied her in those states--perhaps even won them.
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jzodda Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-21-08 06:53 PM
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32. How about we look at the popular vote instead?
Edited on Thu Feb-21-08 06:54 PM by jzodda
Since you seem the think some states count more then others how about looking at all of them combined. As of today


Popular Vote (w/FL) 10,876,624 10,246,199

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/index.html

Obama's numbers on the left side, HRC's on the right. Take out Florida and the margin grows to almost 1 million.

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