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Clintonista2 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-21-08 01:56 AM
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Poll question: In the GE, should the Dems go after Mccain Re: Vicki Iseman?
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MadBadger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-21-08 01:57 AM
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1. No, we shouldnt.
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NastyRiffraff Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-21-08 01:58 AM
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2. I voted yes, but not because of the sex
Edited on Thu Feb-21-08 02:00 AM by NastyRiffraff
The important part of this story is the telecom connection. McCain fought hard for some of Iseman's clients.

Edited to add:

No, we shouldn't go after the sex aspect. Not because I feel sorry for McCain (he voted "yes" on both counts of Bill Clinton's impeachment), but because it's unimportant.
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dkf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-21-08 01:58 AM
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3. Hit him based on Lobbyist angle, not affair.
We don't need to go on about an affair. The MSM will do it anyway.
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woolldog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-21-08 01:59 AM
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4. Yes, but slyly....
Edited on Thu Feb-21-08 02:00 AM by woolldog
I think Obama should start stressing in his stump speech, that unlike his opponents, he's "not in bed with the lobbyists"

:rofl:

I'll be here all week, people, thank you very much.... :hi:
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TheDoorbellRang Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-21-08 02:06 AM
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8. Ha!
:rofl:
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lligrd Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-21-08 02:09 AM
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11. LOL I Hope Obama Plagiarizes That One From You nt
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my2sense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-21-08 02:19 AM
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19. Perfect
:rof:
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Blue State Bandit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-21-08 02:21 AM
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20. Kudos, but not from the campaign.
The campaign should stress that the American people deserve better than another MSM perpetuated sex scandal that may or may not exist.
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Hippo_Tron Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-21-08 02:40 AM
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24. LMAO he needs to use that one in the debate tomorrow
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Guaranteed Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-21-08 01:59 AM
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5. No, I think that's dishonest.
It has nothing to do with the issues.

McCain's personal life is his personal life.

IF he was giving political favors for sex, that's something else. But better have some solid evidence before you even start implying that.
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woolldog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-21-08 02:06 AM
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9. It matters that hMcCain's sleeping with a lobbyist
and giving preferential treatment (as a legislator) to her clients. This is a huge ethical breach and it's exactly the kind of conflict of interest with lobbyists and government that is a theme of the Obama campaign.
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Guaranteed Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-21-08 02:07 AM
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10. Better make THAT very clear, and have the evidence to back it up. nt
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oldtime dfl_er Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-21-08 02:19 AM
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18. I voted yes
and for the reason you cite. Can we have a clean politician for a change? Please?
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emilyg Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-21-08 02:37 AM
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23. agree.
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dkf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-21-08 03:53 AM
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27. NYT article has several instances when his letters for her seem to contradict
his stated principles.
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Raine Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-21-08 02:01 AM
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6. Yes...two days ago I would've said no but
she went after Michelle Obama so she's the one who opened herself up with her own big mouth.
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pingzing58 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-21-08 02:03 AM
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7. Absolutely not!! Allow the doubt of his veracity to plague the repugs minds. Idea has been planted.
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LittleClarkie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-21-08 02:10 AM
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12. Only if they actually have some evidence
as opposed to the farce they tried to pin on Kerry during the primaries.
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lligrd Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-21-08 02:12 AM
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13. I'm Undecided
I think the lobbyist issue is fair game but the sexual aspect should only be used if he (they)resorts to playing dirty.
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jaysunb Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-21-08 02:13 AM
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14. I don't think he'll be in the GE
just my .02 worth.....
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WCGreen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-21-08 02:16 AM
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15. The poster who talked about the connection to the telecom industry
hit the true issue on the head, no pun intended...

McCain is as much a part of the culture of corruption as Bush...

Only he is worse since he parades around as some kind of man above the frey...

But we know where Keeting went when he wanted help with his Savings and Loan troubles...

The guy is truly deluded because I think he actually thinks he is a great, principled man...

I say forget the lobbyist and the sex angle and look to the lobbyist and the corruption favoritism angle...
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Blue State Bandit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-21-08 02:17 AM
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16. Not on sex! Anything should focus on the Tele-coms and lobbying reform.
We can let the Repubs take the low road on the sex issue.
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casus belli Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-21-08 02:19 AM
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17. Vicki is fair game...I think McBarbie's drug use should be off limits though. n/t
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Tresalisa Donating Member (537 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-21-08 02:21 AM
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21. I know that a lot of repukes say they don't want to vote for McCain
Edited on Thu Feb-21-08 02:23 AM by Tresalisa
but I'm afraid something like this could backfire and fire up the base. I read the NYT article on line, and there are accusations, but not much in the way of backing them up, IMO. :shrug:

ETA: And, this appears to be something that happened some 8 years ago, also.

Now if information comes up that 100% confirms the allegations, or if somebody credible comes forward with solid information, I'd say go for it.
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New Dawn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-21-08 02:21 AM
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22. YES n/t
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Hippo_Tron Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-21-08 02:43 AM
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25. We wouldn't be having this discussion if the Republicans hadn't impeached Bill Clinton for sex
Do I personally have a problem with John McCain sleeping with a lobbyist? No I honestly don't and I think it should be none of my business. But the Republicans clearly think differently. If those are the rules that they are going to play by then the rules shouldn't just apply to Democrats.
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DFW Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-21-08 03:14 AM
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26. Let the Republican "Moral Majority" do it
They either have to do it or look VERY foolish getting on
Bill Clinton's case but not McCain's.

By the way, I don't think hammering on McCain's "being in bed
with lobbyists" is out of line either. Let the press ask incessantly
if a double meaning was implied, and let the Democrats say, very sweetly
and with innocent batting of eyes, "why, not at all, whatever do you mean?"
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flor de jasmim Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-21-08 05:26 AM
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28. Improper lobbying is one thing, but leave the sex out of it
You cannot bring unity when people keep pointing fingers about issues which are tangential. If you mention sex, it becomes the point and the issue of influence gets lost in the shuffle. It then brings up everyone else's sexual "detours" of one sort or another, and degenerates into "well, he/she/you did it, too"...
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thesubstanceofdreams Donating Member (625 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-21-08 05:28 AM
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29. We shouldn't, unless there is conclusive proof.

We shouldn't base our campaign on rumors. If there is proof, we should go for it, but emphasizing that the problem is that she is a LOBBYIST. McPain's personal life in itself should be off limits.
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Guava Jelly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-21-08 05:39 AM
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30. I would say No
As much as I want payback for the asshole-ry of the right toward our side it just brings us down to their level.
And besides we would be hypocrites in a way.
And all in all McCain (opponent or not) is a war hero and we hated it when people trashed Max Cleland and John Kerry.
I think it wouldn't do anything to help out our candidate anyways.
McCain is in for a hard fight..One he will lose..
We can take the high road.
Be the change we want to see.
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