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Emit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-20-08 11:51 PM
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Texas's Unique Primaucus: ... do not assume that ... the math favors Hillary Clinton.
Edited on Thu Feb-21-08 12:09 AM by Emit
Texas's Unique Primaucus

Texas is the most un-primary of primaries there is.

For one thing, there aren't any delegates awarded to the winner of the state -- no statewide bonus delegates, nothing. For another, a third of the delegates will be chosen through a complicated caucus system.

And instead of proportional allocation by congressional district, the rest of the delegates will be proportionally allocated by state senate districts. George W. Bush's '04 performance really changes the math. That's because the number of delegates allocated in those districts are based on how well (or poorly) John Kerry did, as well as the performance of the last Democratic gubernatorial candidate (who himself had votes taken away by a liberal third party challenger.)

The delegate-rich districts are the most heavily liberal state senate districts. According to this calculation, they're in Austin and in two of the most concentrated African American parts of the state. Advantage: Obama.

~snip~

Suffice it to say: whatever you call Texas's system -- a hybrid, a primacaucus, whatever -- do not assume that, because it's a big state and the media calls it a primary, the math favors Hillary Clinton.

http://marcambinder.theatlantic.com/archives/2008/02/texass_unique_primaucus.php
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Bicoastal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-20-08 11:53 PM
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1. Will THIS finally be the caucus that counts?
Edited on Wed Feb-20-08 11:53 PM by Bicoastal
:shrug:
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LittleBlue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-20-08 11:53 PM
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2. Does your headline match the article?
Maybe I'm missing something, but it seems contradictory.
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Emit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-20-08 11:54 PM
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3. oops
Edited on Wed Feb-20-08 11:59 PM by Emit
:shrug:

and my cut and paste skills are off tonight
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IndianaGreen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-20-08 11:56 PM
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8. The last paragraph seems to contradict the OP's interpretation
Suffice it to say: whatever you call Texas's system -- a hybrid, a primacaucus, whatever -- do not assume that, because it's a big state and the media calls it a primary, the math favors Hillary Clinton.

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Emit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-20-08 11:57 PM
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9. No -- my errror, I've corrected it
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LittleBlue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-21-08 12:13 AM
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14. Thanks! nt
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scheming daemons Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-20-08 11:55 PM
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4. The article says "do NOT assume that... the math favors Hillary"
Your headline implies the exact opposite.

This is a story that says the Texas system is BAD for Hillary, not good.
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Emit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-20-08 11:55 PM
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6. yes, sorry I meant to add doesn't in my post title
my cut and paste skills are lacking tonight

I've edited it
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LakeSamish706 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-20-08 11:55 PM
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5. "the math favors Hillary Clinton" But as we all know, she would have to win...
big numbers in Texas and Ohio in order to even be in contention.....
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Emit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-21-08 12:08 AM
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13. My title was suppose to have read
Texas's Unique Primaucus do not assume that ... the math favors Hillary Clinton.
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quantass Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-20-08 11:56 PM
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7. Your TITLE confuses me -- If i am reading it correctly, Texas favors OBAMA
Edited on Thu Feb-21-08 12:00 AM by quantass
recall the Texas rule of allocating delegates to state Senate districts based on results of the 2000 and 2004 process...as it stands Obama is favored for taking the big delegate halls due to what happened in 2000 and 2004.

And caucuses is a virtual clincher for Obama too...Texas will either be a close win for Hilary or a blowout by Obama...and either of these cases she will have lost everything: The Presidential Nomination.
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Emit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-20-08 11:59 PM
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12. yes I goofed in trying to capture the qualifier
I've corrected it
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Johnny__Motown Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-20-08 11:57 PM
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10. >snip< do not assume that..... the math favors Hillary Clinton
umm....

did someone fail reading comprehension?



If you look into it you will see that the Hispanic areas voted for W so they don't get as many delegates as the cities will.


You have it all backward


Thanks for playing, we have some nice parting gifts backstage.
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Emit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-20-08 11:57 PM
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11. my error in cut and paste chill man
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anigbrowl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-21-08 12:16 AM
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15. I bet you wish you hadn't bothered now
Anyway, it'll be interesting to see if this one counts or not.

"Both campaigns are carefully weighing how the quirks of the Texas system work for them, and are urging their supporters to brush up on the process as well, to avoid a careless defeat.

“I had no idea how bizarre it is,” Clinton told reporters this week. “We have grown men crying over it.”"


http://youdecide08.foxnews.com/2008/02/20/dems-navigate-minefield-of-rules-quirks-in-vital-texas-primary/ (sorry for quoting fox, but it's basically a reprint of the aP article).

Sorry Hillary, if the way Texas holds its primary is big news to you, then you weren't prepared.

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Emit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-21-08 12:54 AM
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16. lol, seriously
big cow pattie there with that faux pas
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