An observation - DUers sound just like Freepers when it comes to the Clintons

[Catherine Vincent]

I just read a couple of pages over on FR where Obama won Wisconsin. The whole time I was reading the messages, I thought I was on DU. Honestly, I couldn't tell the difference. Did you know that you guys sound just like Freepers when it comes to the Clinton's?

[Starbucks Anarchist]

1. It goes both ways.

It's impossible to miss the endless "kool-aid," "cult" and "hopemonger" memes aimed at Obama supporters.

For the record, I detest any RW-type language used against either group or candidate.

[helderheid]

66. Agreed, unfortunately. DU is UGLY lately.

[niyad]

2. I have noticed the same thing, and it is sad.

[Occam Bandage]

3. Hey, guess what? So do the Obamabashers.

[PresidentObama]

5. Aw, DU. Where two wrongs ALWAYS make a right!

[Occam Bandage]

9. Aw, DU. Where outrage is ALWAYS selective!

[PresidentObama]

14. Outrage? Where?

By the way, I hate your Kool-Aid man graphic.

Makes me thirsty.

:beer:

[Occam Bandage]

24. I'm shocked--SHOCKED--to find there is bashing in this establishment!

[PresidentObama]

27. ....Uh huh. So whats your favorite Kool-Aid? I like grape.

[Occam Bandage]

33. Don't know where you grew up, but 'round these parts

the flavors were cherry, lemonade, and purple. Don't know why, but we thought purple was a flavor...

[PresidentObama]

39. Purple? Read the package, it's GRAPE. And it's delicious!

As a matter of a fact....

It's Kool-Aid time.

Never heard of it called purple.

[Occam Bandage]

55. Oh, I know what the package says. Still called purple in my childhood.

[wileedog]

12. A Democrat and a Republican

can both look up at the sky and say "It's blue."

Granted a neocon might follow up with "Where are the bombers?"

[PresidentObama]

4. People who attack Hillary are idiots.

Just as the people who unfairly attack Barack are idiots.

If the glove fits, wear it: idiots!

[Occam Bandage]

11. We peoples who attacks Hillarys unfairlys are idiots!

[PresidentObama]

17. Yes, yes you are. As are those who unfairly attack Obama.

This is DEMOCRATIC Underground.

Constructive criticism is quite alright.

It's when things get vile, petty, and low that bother me.

[Occam Bandage]

22. First, nice edit. I suppose it would be embarrassing to leave

the four-year-old grammar up while calling people idiots.

Secondly, I don't attack Hillary unfairly. In fact, I rarely ever attack Hillary, and when I do it's for things that I think no Democrat should do--such as her disgusting DelegateHub site.

[PresidentObama]

26. I guess you never make a typo. My statement rings true, typo or no typo.

If you unfairly attack one of our fine Democratic candidates, you're an idiot!

I guess the glove fits, Captain Defensive!

[Occam Bandage]

30. No, I just think it's funny when people call people idiots with

glaring errors in their posts. Sort of a beam-in-the-eye type thing.

[PresidentObama]

37. Humans make common mistakes like typos. Idiots are just idiots.

Such as the *fine* DUer's who use this discussion forum as a tool to bash Barack Obama and/or Hillary Clinton in a very Karl Rove like fashion.

I guess the glove fits, OJ!

Putting an "s" where it didn't belong doesn't change that I'm right.

It's amazing how many Right Wing talking points are used on DU, isn't it?

[Alexander]

57. I noticed you left out "unfairly" in regards to Hillary Clinton.

"People who attack Hillary are idiots.

Just as the people who unfairly attack Barack are idiots."

So you're saying that even people who fairly attack Hillary are idiots? Or that any attack on Hillary is unfair?

:rofl:

[HiFructosePronSyrup]

6. Oh, you caught us.

It's a fair cop, guv.

We're all freepers. In fact, we're just one big freeper with lots of usernames. All 74% of us.

[NightWatcher]

7. this is BS, this shit goes both ways. there are nasty people on both sides

and this thread wont really help anything except get more people mad.

thanks for adding to the conversation

[Catherine Vincent]

64. I didn't say the attacks didn't happen on both sides, they do.

I just pointed out that reading FR reminded me of being on DU when it comes to the Clinton's.

[stahbrett]

8. The Clintons are known for building coalitions, right?

;)

[madrchsod]

10. you guys?

i detest Hillary but i have never insulted her personally.i have`t called her supporters here any of the names i have read and that goes for both sides.

[BuyingThyme]

13. There's a very good reason for that.

For you see, Hillary supporters have repeatedly been marginalized by Hillary.

Every time her campaign does something bad or stupid, they lie about it, forcing Hillary supporters to carry the lie until the truth comes out. And then the supporters have to explain why they were taken in by the lies.

It started with planting questions in the audience a la Bush, and it hasn't subsided.

In other words, they're having to act like Republicans.

And now she's apparently got her own Swift Boat organization starting up. She will pretend to know nothing about it, etc., but eventually her supporters will once again be marginalized by their candidate once the truth comes out.

Sad really. She didn't have to do it this way.

[PresidentObama]

23. Yes because finger pointing will always solve the problem.

FACT: It's both sides!

I support a great candidate. I don't need to lie about her or her abilities.

I come here to support progressive causes. Not to push the Karl Rove campaign tactics.

[hfojvt]

15. the hate may be the same

the reasons for the hate are generally not. They hate her because she is too liberal. We hate her because she is too conservative. We both hate McCain too, for generally the same reasons. We, because he is too conservative, they, because he is too liberal.

[Guava Jelly]

16. Lets not paint with such a broad brush.....k

Both sides have over zealous people who post freeper like crap about the opposing candidate.
I am voting Obama and I challenge you to find one instance where I posted something negative about Mrs. Clinton
These threads accusing an entire group for the actions of a few are just plain wrong.

[Marrah_G]

18. Yes they do- It makes me want to vomit- There are some here who are no better then the Freepers

And frankly they can go to the same place I send the Freepers.

This goes for Obama Bashers also.

:puke:

Fuck the relentless Dem Bashers and may they all rot in hell.

[burythehatchet]

19. I hear freepers breathe oxygen. I say we boycott oxygen for we should not breathe

what they breathe. A little tutorial in logic would be of great benefit.

[surfermaw]

20. Now may I ask what you Obama people sound like

Your arrogance is gong to cost Obama more votes than you can count, if you don't stop this junk. Lets get one thing straight, most of the Hillary people and John Edwards people were here when the Obama peoples bashing of Hillary & John started. So pot don't call the kettle black. Frankly the Obama bashers on DU sound like the old Iwon Political board bashing of Bush by Democrats.

[OzarkDem]

21. Very true n/t

[Kali]

25. well, I suspect there ARE any number of them here disrupting...

not excusing poor behavior from DUers, but I am pretty sure some are NOT really DUers.

[madrchsod]

34. you just may be right

what is really shocking is the racist and sexist posts....that is what really makes me wonder...

[Saturday]

28. Obama supporters here at DU have convinced me not to be an

Obama supporter.

[madrchsod]

35. i did?

[emilyg]

47. Same here.

[LaurenG]

56. Sorry ...

No one can make you do anything, and to blame others for your choices is sad really. I would hope that you came to your decision to support Hillary because she was a good candidate, not because of a bunch of lame posts on a message board.

[angie_love]

29. well yesterday I read a post about a supposed long life democrat who said he was voting repug for

the first time just to take Obama down, so yeah it does sound like freeperville here sometimes. Its disappointing to say the least. I don't want our party to become divided b/c the favorite candidate didn't win. I hope ppl are not that childish. Lets be honest, we were unlucky or lucky, this year to have 2 very strong candidates whom democrats should be proud of. Anyway, I hope this ends soon so we can unite again against the real problem: the PUGS.

[redqueen]

31. Yes, because all DUers sound the same.

:eyes:

This place is nearly fucking useless due to all the stupid generalizations and childishness.

[buff2]

32. I wonder how many of the Clinton haters here

are REALLY FREEPERS??? They don't sound like Dems,that's for sure.

[jazzjunkysue]

44. If pretending that she's going to represent people makes me a dem,

then I'm not.

She's going to represent big business. Business as usual.

Insult people all you want to. She's part of the cabal and the coverup.

Wake up and admit that there are substantial reasons not to trust her.

[HeraldSquare212]

36. You mean freepers accuse her of being too conservative?

[Perry Logan]

38. Some at DU share the mental disorder known as "Clintophobia." A very creepy phenomenon.

[jazzjunkysue]

40. They hate her for her war vote? Really?

[PresidentObama]

41. What does her war vote have to do with it?

I supported John Edwards, and he was loved by a good portion of DU.

And he voted for the war.

[jazzjunkysue]

42. We've been through this enough times. She's a hawk. Period.

She'll support big business and lobbyists. She's said so. John would have gone after them to represent me.

She has admitted that she's not rushing us out of Iraq. How many times do you need to be reminded of that?

[PresidentObama]

43. I was just pointing out the obvious.

Please don't go on the attack.

Thank you!

[Straight Shooter]

49. Obama and Hillary have very similar ratings by big business

Obama has also been in touch with former Federal Reserve Chairman Paul Volcker, who endorsed the freshman senator in January. "When I sat down with him, I found him to be unbelievably refreshing and smart and thoughtful," says Wolf, who first met Obama at the offices of financier George Soros. The UBS chief has gone on to raise more than $1 million for the Obama campaign.

...

Still, business has traditionally preferred Republicans in the White House. In its most recent Senate tally, the Chamber of Commerce gave likely GOP nominee McCain an 80% favorable rating, compared with Clinton at 67% and Obama at 55%. Even worse for the two main Democrats, the National Association of Manufacturers rated both a zero, while McCain garnered 100%.

Those grades haven't hurt Obama's fund-raising. As a candidate he has eschewed contributions from political action committees and federal lobbyists. Yet he's been able to rake in cash at a blistering pace of about $1 million per day from individual donors, largely over the Internet. That includes money from employees of old-line industries. According to the Center for Responsive Politics, top contributors to Obama in 2007 included donors from law firms, investment houses, and real estate companies. In total, the center's analysis shows that Clinton is somewhat more favored by business contributors than is Obama: Eighty-five percent of her donations came from donors affiliated with business, while only 80% of Obama's did.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/23165584/

Five percent difference, by people who know what they're looking for in a candidate.

No explanation why Obama was at Soros' office. Soros, of course, is hated by the right as much as they hate Michael Moore.

Now let's look at a new revelation about Soros:

IRONY WATCH
A Surprise In The Soros Portfolio

Conservative commentators are having a field day over a Feb. 14 securities filing by Soros Fund Management, run by billionaire philanthropist and antiwar activist George Soros, who financed a $25 million media campaign to unseat President George W. Bush in 2004. The filing reports that in late 2006 the fund bought 2 million shares of Halliburton, whose KBR unit is the military's biggest Iraq war contractor. Soros Fund now has a 0.2% stake in Vice-President Dick Cheney's former employer. Halliburton is in the midst of spinning off KBR to focus on core oil services, but that didn't stop critics from denouncing what one called "the hypocrisy of the liberal elite." Soros spokesman Michael Vachon declined to comment, citing company policy. But Rush Limbaugh had plenty to say: "Halliburton has become a buzzword for corruption and lying and deceit as far as the left is concerned, and here's their guru now buying 2 million shares of Halliburton," he blogged. "It just doesn't get any better than this."

http://www.businessweek.com/magazine/content/07_14/c4028009.htm

Michael Moore, MoveOn, Soros, all apparently supporting Obama. It's the Holy Trifecta for GOP outrage.

[jazzjunkysue]

63. Yes but there's a difference between being good with money and being a lobbyist

wet dream. I like having a leader who understands the market. Just as long as he's representing me and not the interests of big business.

In other words, he's not part of the cover up of BCCI and Plame and the 9/11 commission and the WMD's. He's go nothing to hide, as far as I know at this point.

Hillary can't change washington much because she is already part of the rush to war and the military complex that wanted it.

I think it's great the Obama understands money markets. That's great. I've heard on conservative TV that they like how he understands things. Nothing wrong with that.

[shadowknows69]

45. I sit and read this board all day

and there is definitely a huge difference in the venom coming from Clinton supporters and Obama supporters. At least shes winning that fight.

[txaslftist]

51. That's so sad. Now get back to work!

sarc

[Capn Sunshine]

46. LOL

often, in the hinterlands of dark and deep hitherto unknown movements of political operatives, things cross , things come together, and there is an acknowledgement that the guy at the other end of the transaction wants the same thing as you: to WIN.

This simple fact contibutes much to the Clintonistas behavior. It's the ultimate irony of partisan politics; to defeat your partisan enemy you end up working with a partisan enemy, no questions asked.

Now you tell me in the world where the right wing shit throwers desperate to protect the remnants of the 1994 "conservative" victory intersects with the Clintonista world desperate to protect the remnants of the 1992 "I don't know what the hell we were" victory, you're not going to see some overlap?

It's the height of naivete to think that those that object to "Clintonism" (for lack of a better term) as an organization wouldn't share a tiny bit of the same view from outside of this monolith, even though it's from opposite sides.

Oh and lets not discount the many stealth freepers posting here to cause trouble.

But generally speaking, from the perspective of someone who worked for Clinton-Gore '92 and '96, as things changed, and they always do, certain elements remained mired in the whole framework of "what worked" back then, which was accumulation of power and the willingness to use it against all who made the enemies list. Usually this was the other side, but not always. Meanwhile, in my opinion the best and brightest left and moved on as the flawed partisan warfare strategy disaffected a majority of Americans, who have no wish to view 49% of their fellow Americans as the "enemy" any more, but rather have a desire to FIX THIS COUNTRY SOONER RATHER THAN LATER.

[shenmue]

48. You noticed?!

:applause:

Crimony pete, somebody else can see through this shit!

I swear, I don't know if I'll get through primary season without shooting myself. I can't take much more of this crap.

Thanks for nuking the Democratic party, assholes! It is not the Democratic me-first-'cause-it's-my-sandbox.

Well, Catgirl, at least one person isn't insane...

[txaslftist]

50. Are the freepers still pissed at Hillary for her Iraq War vote?

[Beausoir]

52. This board is infested with Freepers. The savaging Chelsea Clinton took here over the weekend was

one of the most bizarre things I have seen.

The hatred..the palpable hatred the Obama people have for Chelsea was really frightening.

They were wishing her to go to Iraq and get her arms and legs blown off. Really.

These people are going to be fun to watch over the next few months. Blowback is a bitch.

[Downtown Hound]

53. Hillary earned that honor by continually supporting Iraq

and refusing to apologize for her vote and continued funding. Ride with outlaws, die with outlaws.

I believe Hillary herself said that those of us who disagreed with her vote should take our votes elsewhere. Well, we did. I wonder if she's regretting ever saying that?

[XemaSab]

54. .

:)

[madinmaryland]

58. ..

:hi:

[Zavulon]

59. All your Clintons are belong to us.

Be fair - there are a lot of people who have spoken out against Hillary on DU (and I'm one of them). However, not all of us bash Bill.

[rodeodance]

60. It has been said many many times but it is ignored by many -it goes and on.

[apocalypsehow]

61. You Clinton fans sure do spend a lot immersing yourself in right-wing sources. Another OP just

posted about his wonderful listening hours with Sean Hannity, yesterday another HRC booster was quoting Lou Dobbs criticism of Senator Obama with glowing approval...what is it with this fascination with reactionary assholes on the part of so many Clinton supporters?

I think we know what it is....

[Yurem2008]

62. The Thrill of victory, the agony of defeat

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[x-g.o.p.er]

65. The Clintons have brought a lot of this on themselves...

and when it was republicans that were the brunt of their attack machine, it was cool, because they're Republicans, and they deserved it.

But now, when they turn their attack machine on one of their own, people look up and say "hey, that's kind of screwed up."

They're trying to do the same thing to Obama now that they did to Gingrich, Starr, Hyde, and all the other right wingers from the 1990's, but now it's unwarranted, because Obama is one of us, and it won't be tolerated.

The fact that it exposes them as petty, hypocritical, paranoid, and desperate is their fault, and it's now plain for everyone to see.

[Catherine Vincent]

67. FYI, your post has nothing to do with DUers sounding like Freepers. nt

[bluedawg12]

68. Yup. some do, on occassion. Rehashed vitriol. n/t