Deval Patrick's Timeline Doesn't Mesh with Reality

[boston bean]

http://blogs.abcnews.com/politicalpunch/2008/02/deval-patricks.html

Speaking to the New York Times Sunday, Massachusetts Gov. Deval Patrick attempted to excuse his friend Sen. Barack Obama's lifting of part of his October 2006 "Just words" speech.

“In a telephone interview on Sunday, Mr. Patrick said that he and Mr. Obama first talked about the attacks from their respective rivals last summer, when Mrs. Clinton was raising questions about Mr. Obama’s experience, and that they discussed them again last week," the Times' Jeff Zeleny wrote. "Patrick said he told Mr. Obama that he should respond to the criticism, and he shared language from his campaign with Mr. Obama's speechwriters.”

But Obama was quoted using Patrick's language before the Summer of 2007.

"'We hold these truths to be self-evident, all men are created equal.’ Those are just words," Obama was quoted as saying in a March 19, 2007 New Republic story. " ‘I have a dream.’ Just words.”

So....the claim that Patrick an Obama "first" discussed this last Summer does not make sense.


MAKE SURE TO READ DOWN TO THE UPDATE!!!

[BOSSHOG]

1. "We hold these truths" and "I have a dream"

are not just words. They are someone else's words. Using someone else's words knocked Senator Biden out of the race in 88.

[tekisui]

5. Political speech is different than writing a book or a paper.

Biden plagiarized a law review article for a paper he wrote at law school.

And he did it long before he ran for President.

[GarbagemanLB]

6. Don't bring logic into a Hillbot thread, it only causes chaos and heartburn for them.

[BOSSHOG]

11. Who is a hilbot?

What in my post indicated who I may support? I have supported General Clark since before 2004. I will vote in my state's primary next month and right now I don't know who to support, but peaking in on GD-P on occasion I've come to the obvious conclusion that Obama supporters are awful goddamned sensitive for no fucking reason. We are lucky to have two fine candidates for president, but I don't believe Obama deserves the likes of the chuckleheads who attempt to support him on this site. Your work merely alienates.

[HiFructosePronSyrup]

12. Sensitive?

I don't know, I consider plagiarism a pretty serious accusation, especially when it's so blatantly false and right before a vote.

[BOSSHOG]

13. Oh the sensitivity

has been on display here long before the word plagiarism ever came up. If you don't heap praise early and often on Obama you are pounced on by the sensitive crowd. I had every intention of staying out of this squabble and did a good job for a long time.

[HiFructosePronSyrup]

14. You sound a little sensitive, BOSSHOG.

Lighten up.

[tridim]

2. Dupe post

[Quixote1818]

3. Are you still on this? The rest of the country has moved forward.

Sorry but this isn't going to hurt Obama they way you had hoped.

:eyes:

[SKKY]

10. Of course they're still on this...

...what else is there to grasp at? :shrug:

[Emillereid]

4. "Just words" are not exactly original to Patrick - Christ I've used the phrase

myself when explaining how powerful language can be way before this election season. I can well imagine that the thought would or could come to Obama and his speech writers originally since it's such an obvious comeback to the 'just words' argument against his eloquent speeches. This is a non-issue.

[izzie]

7. I think I read Obama was their when Patrick made speech.

Do Not laugh but I though Patrick was Irish until I saw a picture of him. I guess I just tagged the name as Irish from Ma. I just do not get up-tight about all this. After all these groups of words have been out in the open for years. Any one can use them and have over and over. Maybe they are just going to mean some thing to a few of us as a shock.

[boston bean]

22. You are missing the point. The words were almost exact. They were used

by Deval Patrick against a woman he was running against for Governor.

They are neither Deval's or Obama's words, they are david axelrods and both of them men are a political sham. The words sound nice, but there is nothing there underneath.

[Bitwit1234]

8. Don't you think Patrick would back up the other candidate no matter

what he said. You would be a dunce if you didn't think he would say anthing Hillary's opponent wanted him to.

[ClassWarrior]

9. Timeline?? Is a whole "Plagiarism Truth Movement" gonna spring up...

...around this fluff?

:rofl:

NGU.

[boston bean]

21. Why did Deval Patrick not tell the truth? nt

[jackson_dem]

15. Patrick won't admit it: both Obama and Patrick ran on AXLEROD slogans

There is no "politics of hope", no "movement for change", "hope and change" is just a slogan, etc. So he is left with lame defenses because he can't, for obvious reasons, admit the truth that both ran on AXLEROD's campaign gimmicks. Doing so would basically be an admission by a key Obama supporter that Obama's candidacy is a fraud.

[boston bean]

16. Bingo! nt

[ElsewheresDaughter]

17. Obama Got Words?

[GarbagemanLB]

18. Here ya go! Also, isn't Hillary married to a guy from Hope? LOL

http://www.oliverwillis.com/archives/2008/02/18/clintons-plagiarism-charge-fal/

[jackson_dem]

19. Clinton ran on issues and a record of performance, not slogans

Obamites, as usual, confuse using slogans like every politician does to running on slogans like Obama and Patrick. Clinton ran on a record and economic issues. Quick bullet points: he ran on Arkansas being #1 in job growth, #4 in economic growth, and 12 balanced budgets in a row and contrasted that to the failures of Reagan-Bush trickle-down economics. Compare that to Obama...

[GarbagemanLB]

20. Hillary was the governor of Arkansas? She was the president? Man, if I'd known any better, she was!

[jackson_dem]

23. Wasn't "the guy from Hope?"

What did he run on in 1992? Just words? :rofl:

[smiley_glad_hands]

24. Get over it.

The clintons have the infidelity of Bill to worry about. If this is the best you got on Obama, good job.

[MethuenProgressive]

25. Deval will do/say whatever Obama orders him to say to get that job in D.C.

The corner office was just a stepping stone back to the District.