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elixir2 Donating Member (123 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-18-08 03:18 PM
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SYMPATHY POST: Barack Obama is a smart, savvy, articulate statesman, "Yes, I Can!"
I just used my last post to save the Obamites from heart failure. Even though the lead is not true, I don't want to see everyone implode over the Presidents Day weekend. Everythings all "OMG" around here. I'm worried about you guys, just when some dirt starts getting dusted up you call on the refs to limit the posting or, even better, ban them for life. How about until infinity plus one?

Please if you can't post responsibly and have a substantive discussion, log off, power down and take a chilax.

Oh, by the way Joe Biden lost in 1988 for plagiarizing, and the repugs are just getting started on BO. Sorry, it is my last post and I had to put that in.

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goldcanyonaz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-18-08 03:19 PM
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1. Beautiful photo of Hillary!
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bellasgrams Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-18-08 03:21 PM
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2. That's my girl., actually my daughter does look a lot like her.
Edited on Mon Feb-18-08 03:23 PM by bellasgrams
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tabatha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-18-08 03:22 PM
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3. Unauthorized use of other's words is plagiarism.
Hillary Clinton "Fired up, ready to go" - unauthorized use of Obama's slogan.

Patrick and Obama have used each other's stuff, authorized.

Take your blinkers off.
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elixir2 Donating Member (123 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-18-08 03:29 PM
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9. You mean blinders and the definition of plagiarized includes noted authorization of use... he didn't
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tabatha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-18-08 04:33 PM
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28. He didn't what?
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Rageneau Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-18-08 03:31 PM
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11. Obama is reciting hack phrases given to him by Axelrod.
Second-hand phrases at that -- first used by Axelrod to get Patrick elected.

Axelrod's idea seems to be...

"Yes, we can!" fool voters with style over substance.
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Benhurst Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-18-08 03:33 PM
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13. "Fired up, ready to go" ? You must be kidding. Such cliches are
in the public domain.

The drivel coming out of all the campaigns is no more original nor subject to copyright than Donald Trump's "You're fired!"
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griffi94 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-18-08 03:35 PM
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17. right didn't fox news find that out
when they sued al franken for using fair and balanced in his book title
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tekisui Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-18-08 03:24 PM
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4. How true, this will blow over soon, and give Obama another bump.
Thanks to the Clinton Slime Machine.
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elixir2 Donating Member (123 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-18-08 03:27 PM
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7. I think my post was very civil, you brought up slime. My two statements are fact.
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HiFructosePronSyrup Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-18-08 03:28 PM
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8. You brought up plagiarism.
That's slime.
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jillan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-18-08 03:30 PM
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10. No - the msm is all over it today.
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HiFructosePronSyrup Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-18-08 03:32 PM
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12. Yeah, and then the OP brought it up.
:shrug:
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elixir2 Donating Member (123 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-18-08 03:49 PM
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26. Oh my heavens, you're right. I brought up plagiarism, the ripping off of another
writer w/out their authorization or crediting thereof. It wouldn't hurt so much if he had more than his speeches and his image.
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griffi94 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-18-08 03:37 PM
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18. right
no matter if it's true or not...saying anything except obama is good is slime..... got it....
got kool aid......
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HiFructosePronSyrup Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-18-08 03:37 PM
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20. Well we already know it's not true.
So that's how we can determine it's slime.
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tekisui Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-18-08 03:34 PM
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16. I stand by it.
Hillary can't win on her own merits. Her only hope is to go negative. Civilly, I believe that this will only hurt her cause.
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L0oniX Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-18-08 03:40 PM
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22. O come on now. We all know Hillary was running the country when Bill was out getting some.
Edited on Mon Feb-18-08 03:41 PM by L0oniX
:sarcasm:
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ProSense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-18-08 03:26 PM
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5. Thanks for your concern. Speaking of
lifting language without permission and misrepresenting the facts:

Clinton has been criticized for not giving credit to a ghostwriter in connection with It Takes a Village. The majority of the book was reportedly written by ghostwriter Barbara Feinman.<8> When the book was first announced in April 1995, The New York Times reported publisher Simon & Schuster as saying "The book will actually be written by Barbara Feinman, a journalism professor at Georgetown University in Washington. Ms. Feinman will conduct a series of interviews with Mrs. Clinton, who will help edit the resulting text."<9>

Feinman spent seven months on the project and was paid $120,000 for her work.<10> Feinman, however, was not mentioned anywhere in the book. Clinton's acknowledgment section began: "It takes a village to bring a book into the world, as everyone who has written one knows. Many people have helped me to complete this one, sometimes without even knowing it. They are so numerous that I will not even attempt to acknowledge them individually, for fear that I might leave one out."<11> During her promotional tour for the book, Clinton said, "I actually wrote the book ... I had to write my own book because I want to stand by every word."<2> Clinton stated that Feinman assisted in interviews and did some editorial drafting of "connecting paragraphs", while Clinton herself wrote the final manuscript in longhand.<2>

link


The problem came when Mrs. Clinton decided, for reasons still a mystery to me, not to acknowledge my help, or that of anyone else by name. Because the White House had issued a press release early on in the process stating that I had been hired to "help prepare the manuscript," when it was finished and there was no mention of me in the acknowledgments, the anti-Clinton forces went to town. The irony was that by not acknowledging me, rather than diminishing my role, she unwittingly elevated me to a sort of literary Joan of Arc with the likes of everyone from Don Imus to Maureen Dowd to Rush Limbaugh weighing in before Thank-YouGate blew over. Pundits had a field day opining how much of the book she had actually written. The truth was much more prosaic: Like any first lady, Mrs. Clinton had an extremely hectic schedule and writing a book without assistance would have been logistically impossible. The book, despite the fact that it was at best a mediocre political tract on the virtues of governmental responsibility in the raising of children through subsidized programs like Head Start, was a bestseller and its audio version won Mrs. Clinton a Grammy.

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elixir2 Donating Member (123 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-18-08 03:37 PM
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19. Garsh, PS, once again you clog up the page w/ stuff. A self-proclaimed ghost writer..
cannot complain about not getting a by line or acknowledgement because...ghost writers don't get acknowledgement or by lines. Sorry.

"A ghostwriter is a professional writer who is paid to write books, articles, stories, or reports which are officially credited to another person. Celebrities, executives, and political leaders often hire ghostwriters to draft or edit autobiographies, magazine articles, or other written material. ..."

BTW, CNN is on and it's the plagiarism thing again...hmmmm.
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ProSense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-18-08 03:44 PM
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24. This is another Hillary campaign dirty moment in the process of backfiring:
February 18, 2008, 1:37 pm

More on the War Over ‘Words’

By Jeff Zeleny

NILES, Ohio – Senator Barack Obama dismissed suggestions from his rivals that his words are any less authentic because he adapted a line in a speech from his friend, Massachusetts Gov. Deval Patrick, but added that he probably should have given him credit.

“I’m sure I should have,” Mr. Obama said, speaking at a news conference here today. “As I said before, I really don’t think this is too big of a deal.”

On the eve of the Wisconsin primary, a top adviser to Senator Hillary Rodham Clinton accused Mr. Obama of committing “plagiarism” in a speech he delivered in Milwaukee on Saturday evening. The passage in question is Mr. Obama responding to criticism from Mrs. Clinton that his inspirational speeches are not merely “just words.”

Mr. Obama smiled when asked about the accusation, saying it was “carrying it too far.”

“Let’s see, I’ve written two books. I wrote most of my speeches,” Mr. Obama said. “I would add that I noticed Senator Clinton, on occasion, has used words of mine as well.”

Indeed, two of Mr. Obama’s standard lines – “It’s time to turn the page,” and “Fired up and ready to go,” – have made their way into Mrs. Clinton’s campaign appearances during their contentious fight for the Democratic presidential nomination. In recent days, echoes of his “Yes we can,” chant has surfaced in Mrs. Clinton’s speeches as “Yes we will.”

The Clinton campaign called a conference call with reporters on Monday to highlight their charges. At the same hour, Mr. Obama was talking about the economy as he toured a titanium plant in Ohio.

That setting, he said, placed the brouhaha into its proper context.

“I don’t think that’s really the kind of stuff that the workers here are concerned about,” Mr. Obama said. “What they’re concerned about is whose actually going to make sure that we have jobs here in the United States that pay a decent wage.”



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NJmaverick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-18-08 03:27 PM
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6. Please you hillary hounds shut down threads left and right
that are not to your liking. Worse the only thing you have succeeded in doing, is making your candidate as unpopular as George Bush(which I guess should be expected since you are using the same tactics as Rove).
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cooolandrew Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-18-08 03:33 PM
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14. Here is Hillary's response...
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cooolandrew Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-18-08 03:33 PM
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15. Here is Hillary's response...
Edited on Mon Feb-18-08 03:34 PM by cooolandrew
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rweVOO-fhug


Please feel free to post all over the internet Obama supporters.
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cd3dem Donating Member (927 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-18-08 03:38 PM
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21. Obama even thinks he invented the word "change"
When you have no substance, you have to find others to steal from!



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AX10 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-18-08 03:45 PM
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25. Great cartoon!
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cd3dem Donating Member (927 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-18-08 03:51 PM
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27. thanks... it is my new favorite.... more cartoon fun!





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MadBadger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-18-08 03:41 PM
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23. Are you and Elixr related?
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