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Occam Bandage Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-18-08 01:24 PM
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Hillary's MI co-chair: Red-state voters are "second-class" citizens.
Edited on Mon Feb-18-08 01:25 PM by Occam Bandage
A co-chairman of Hillary's Michigan campaign has a line that's sure to drive a whole bunch of red state governors up the wall:

"Superdelegates are not second-class delegates," says Joel Ferguson, who will be a superdelegate if Michigan is seated. "The real second-class delegates are the delegates that are picked in red-state caucuses that are never going to vote Democratic."


http://www.politico.com/blogs/bensmith/0208/Secondclass...

Yeah, that's exactly the kind of thinking we need going into '08. Fuck Iowa, fuck Virginia, fuck Kansas, fuck Missouri, fuck Colorado, fuck Louisiana, fuck Alabama, fuck Georgia. We don't need to flip any red states. We'll just win the Kerry states and the rest of the country can go be Republican. And screw the Democratic red-state Senators, governors, and representatives--the only states that count are the states that will vote for Hillary in the GE. If you don't live in a Hillary-voting state, you are a second-class voter electing second-class delegates.

I'm sure that Texans and Ohioans will be happy to hear this.
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IDemo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-18-08 01:27 PM
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1. Guilty!

:hi:



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Occam Bandage Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-18-08 01:33 PM
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3. Idaho? Hopelessly second-class. I don't know why we even let you on this board.
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IDemo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-18-08 01:42 PM
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4. I'll try not to cause any disturbances
turning my keyboard upside down right nowwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwww
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EvolveOrConvolve Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-18-08 07:29 PM
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22. Hi fellow Idahoan
There's a reason that Obama's largest win percentage-wise was in Idaho. Hillary has shown she doesn't give a shit about us, and Obama has had a huge presence in the state. The largest single caucus in the nation was in Boise, Idaho where Obama received about 85% of the vote.

:hi:
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IDemo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-18-08 09:02 PM
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29. A night I'll never forget!
I was disappointed after hearing that this would be the last "super caucus" for Idaho, but I realize we have probably outgrown caucuses. Still, the energy and noise coming from inside Qwest Arena was incredible, and it will be difficult gaining that kind of boost to the party again.

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EvolveOrConvolve Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-18-08 09:07 PM
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30. The rally was amazing too
We got to Perkins on Broadway at 6 AM when they opened, and by the time we finished eating breakfast, Broadway was backed up in both directions for as far as I could see. I took a double-super-secret back way and parked in the US Bank building parking lot on Broadway. By that time, the line stretched from the arena, across the arena parking lot and nearly to Broadway (at least 1/2 a mile).

Unfortunately, I missed the caucus because of an emergency with one of my clients. I'd really hoped to experience it, but just the fact that there is so much PASSION for a Democrat in Idaho is amazing.
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IDemo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-18-08 09:56 PM
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32. I missed the rally, wish I'd been there
I think the rally and the caucus both will mark a moment of historic change for Idaho politics.
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Ravy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-18-08 01:29 PM
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2. What a stupid thing to say.
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roguevalley Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-18-08 02:15 PM
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10. my state is trying to go blue because of a lot of factors but poking
us in the eyeball is not going to help. we are not irrelevent. Everything west of New York is not Cleveland, to quote someone... this kind of remark coming from a New York candidate's campaign is not going to play well everywhere else.
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Faygo Kid Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-18-08 01:44 PM
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5. Joel Ferguson is an idiot for saying this. Nothing new.
If there is something Joel Ferguson can get in hot water for, he never misses a chance to do it.

He's an idiot, with a history of such statements and an ego as big as Lake Superior.
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sandyj999 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-18-08 05:25 PM
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17. And Don't forget he is the governor's good buddy.
Which is the reason he has the contract to build a new state police headquarters that isn't even needed. I sure want him picking my candidate! :-(
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LulaMay Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-18-08 01:52 PM
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6. Talk about a distortion of words and context. He is referring to the importance
of winning the large state contests and swing states in a GE, which Obama has yet to show he can do, but Hillary has. She is also leading in OH and PN, won in FL. Nobody has won since the 60's without winning at least two of those swing states.

He wasn't saying the delegates were second class citizens (you put that word in), he was talking about the process and what it takes to win.
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MadBadger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-18-08 02:05 PM
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9. I'm gonna call your bullshit on Obama not winning swing states
What do you think Virginia and Missouri are? How bout Colorado? Recent polls show him up big there. What about Minnesota? What about Iowa? Get your fuckin facts straight.
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donheld Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-18-08 01:57 PM
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7. Does Hillary's bunch think they can win with out any red states?
They're going to have to win over at least one or two or there's no hope.
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Carolina Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-18-08 07:22 PM
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21. exactly, had Al won Arkansas & Tennessee
in 2000, Florida wouldn't have mattered!
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HeraldSquare212 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-18-08 02:04 PM
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8. Man, by the time this is over they'll have said everyone is unimportant.
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Occam Bandage Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-18-08 03:24 PM
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11. '08 doesn't matter. 2012 is her firewall.
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KittyWampus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-18-08 05:25 PM
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18. I DARE you to start a thread with that title. In fact,
I DOUBLE DOG dare you.
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Leopolds Ghost Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-18-08 07:41 PM
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26. I TRIPLE Dog Dare
him.

With mustard on top.
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grantcart Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-18-08 07:00 PM
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20. will the Clintons' try to sabotage the GE so she gets one more shot?
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Leopolds Ghost Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-18-08 07:42 PM
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27. She did that to Kerry already -- just to keep the path clear for 2008
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grantcart Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-18-08 08:20 PM
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28. will they try again?
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elixir2 Donating Member (123 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-18-08 03:26 PM
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12. Why is your Koolaid guy's eyes closed? And the top of his head is chopped off, why?
Sorry, didn't care to read your post but your graphic is driving me nuts.
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Occam Bandage Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-18-08 04:06 PM
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13. They're little Obama logos.
We're a cult, you know.
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BringBigDogBack Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-18-08 05:12 PM
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14. lol.
kicking
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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-18-08 05:18 PM
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berni_mccoy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-18-08 05:24 PM
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16. HER CAMPAIGN IS A FREAKING DISASTER! WTF Would a Campaign manager make such an idiotic statement?
That is inexcusable and she is going to lose because of it.
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ButterflyBlood Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-18-08 06:58 PM
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19. What a fucking idiot!
This is the attitude Clinton will have in the GE?
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nonconformist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-18-08 07:33 PM
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23. Yeah well, I currently live in a red state (purple, actually) and HE'S RIGHT. nt
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rove karl rove Donating Member (298 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-18-08 07:36 PM
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24. she can't beat Obama in the red states
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Occam Bandage Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-18-08 09:13 PM
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31. Agreed.
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DuaneBidoux Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-18-08 07:36 PM
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25. As a Dem in Texas' 22nd trying to hold on to Lampson's seat my response is go f**k yourself.
I do believe Lampson would be worth keeping, and this kind of comment when we are fighting to hold on to a newly won dem seat in an extremely red district is bs.

I have been on the fence so long but it's no longer going to take mucht to knock me Obama's way.
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