Obama's PRO-WAR RECORD

[ElsewheresDaughter]

A PRO-WAR RECORD



Then there’s the matter of his actual policy and political record. If Obama is such (as many “progressives” seem to need to believe) an “antiwar” candidate, why has he offered so much substantive policy support to the criminal occupation and the broader imperial “war on terror” of which Bush says O.I.F. is a part? Here are some highlights from a summary of Obama’s U.S. Senate voting record recently sent to me by the Creative Youth News Team (CYNT 2007), a progressive African American advocacy organization:



“1/26/05: Obama voted to confirm Condoleezza Rice for Secretary of State. Rice was largely responsible…for the deaths of hundreds of thousands of innocent victims in unnecessary wars...Roll call 2”



“2/01/05: Obama was part of a unanimous consent agreement not to filibuster the nomination of lawless torturer Alberto Gonzales as chief law enforcement officer of the United States (U.S. Attorney General).”



“2/15/05: Obama voted to confirm Michael Chertoff, a proponent of water-board torture... man behind the round-up of thousands of people of Middle-Eastern descent following 9/11. By Roll call 10.”



“4/21/05: Obama voted to make John ‘Death Squad’ Negroponte the National Intelligence Director. In Central America, John Negroponte was connected to death squads that murdered nuns and children in sizable quantities. He is suspected of instigating death squads while in Iraq, resulting in the current insurgency. Instead of calling for Negroponte's prosecution, Obama rewarded him by making him National Intelligence Director. Roll call 107”



“4/21/05: Obama voted for HR 1268, war appropriations in the amount of approximately $81 billion. Much of this funding went to Blackwater USA and Halliburton and disappeared. Roll call 109 ”



“7/01/05: Obama voted for H.R. 2419, termed ‘The Nuclear Bill’ by environmental and peace groups. It provided billions for nuclear weapons activities, including nuclear bunker buster bombs. It contains full funding for Yucca Mountain, a threat to food and water in California, Nevada, Arizona and states across America. Roll call 172 .”



“9/26/05 & 9/28/05: Obama failed and refused to place a hold on the nomination of John Roberts, a supporter of permanent detention of Americans without trial, and of torture and military tribunals for Guantanamo detainees.”

“10/07/05: Obama voted for HR2863, which appropriated $50 billion in new money for war. Roll call 2 .”



“11/15/05: Obama voted for continued war, again. Roll call 326 was the vote on the Defense Authorization Act (S1042) which kept the war and war profiteering alive, restricted the right of habeas corpus and encouraged terrorism. Pursuant to his pattern, Obama voted for this. .”



“12/21/05: Obama confirmed his support for war by voting for the Conference Report on the Defense Appropriations Act (HR 2863), Roll call 366, which provided more funding to Halliburton and Blackwater. ”



“5/2/06: Obama voted for money for more war by voting for cloture on HR 4939, the emergency funding to Halliburton, Blackwater and other war profiteers. Roll call 103 .”



“5/4/06: Obama, again, voted to adopt HR4939: emergency funding to war profiteers. Roll call 112 .”



“6/13/06: Obama voted to commend the armed services for a bombing that killed innocent people and children and reportedly resulted in the death of Abu Musab al-Zarqawi… Michael Berg, whose son was reportedly killed by al-Zarqawi, condemned the attack and expressed sorrow over the innocent people and children killed in the bombing that Obama commended. Roll call 168 .”



“6/15/06: Obama voted for the conference report on HR4939, a bill that gave warmongers more money to continue the killing and massacre of innocent people in Iraq and allows profiteers to collect more money for scamming the people of New Orleans. Roll Call 171 .”



“6/15/06: Obama, again, opposed withdrawal of the troops, by voting to table a motion to table a proposed amendment would have required the withdrawal of US. Armed Forces from Iraq and would have urged the convening of an Iraq summit (S Amdt 4269 to S. Amdt 4265 to S2766) Roll Call 174 ”



“6/22/06: Obama voted against withdrawing the troops by opposing the Kerry Amendment (S. Amdt 4442 to S 2766) to the National Defense Authorization Act. The amendment, which was rejected, would have brought our troops home. Roll Call 181 ”



“6/22/06: Obama voted for cloture (the last effective chance to stop) on the National Defense Authorization Act (S 2766), which provided massive amounts of funding to defense contractors to continue the killing in Iraq. Roll Call 183.”



“6/22/06: Obama again voted for continued war by voting to pass the National Defense Authorization Act (S 2766) for continued war funding. Roll Call 186 .



9/7/06: Obama voted to give more money to profiteers for more war (H..R. 5631). Roll Call 239 ”



“9/29/06: Obama voted vote for the conference report on more funding for war, HR 5631. Roll Call 261 .”



“11/16/06: Obama voted for nuclear proliferation in voting to pass HR 5682, a bill to exempt the United States-India Nuclear Proliferation Act from requirements of the Atomic Energy Act of 1954. Roll Call 270 .”



“12/06/06: Obama voted to confirm pro-war Robert M. Gates to be Secretary of Defense. Gates is a supporter of Bush's policies of pre-emptive war and conquest of foreign countries. Roll Call 272 ”



“Obama's voting record in 2007 establishes that he continues to be pro-war. On March 28, 2007 and March 29th, 2007, he voted for cloture and passage of a bill designed to give Bush over $120 billion to continue the occupation for years to come (with a suspendable time table) and inclusive of funding that could be used to launch a war with Iran. Roll calls 117 and 126 ...Obama's record shows a minimum of 20 major pro-war votes…”





Wow. I might have worded things a little differently than CYNT at times, but that’s a damning bill of indictment.



Obama’s intra-Democratic political record also defies those who insistent on wrapping him in an antiwar flag. In 2006 Obama lent his celebrity and political finance assistance to neoconservative war Senator Joe Lieberman’s (“D”-Connecticut) struggle against the Democratic antiwar insurgent Ned Lamont. Obama supported other mainstream Democrats fighting genuinely antiwar progressives in primary races, collaborating with Democratic muscle man Rahm Emannuel’s campaign to marginalize “peaceniks” within the party (see Sirota 2006, Silverstein 2006 and Cockburn 2006).



In a November 2005 speech to the Council on Foreign Relations (CFR), Obama rejected Rep. John Murtha’s (D-Pa.) call for a rapid redeployment and any notion of a timetable for withdrawal. Obama advocated “a pragmatic solution to the real war we’re facing in Iraq” and made repeated references to the need to “defeat” the “insurgency.” This language meant continuation of the war (Ford and Gamble 2005).



Earlier that same year, Obama shamefully distanced himself from his fellow Senator Dick Durbin’s (D-IL) forthright criticism of U.S. torture practices at Guantanamo (Street 2005; Cockburn 2006).





And he still refuses to foreswear the use of first-strike nuclear weapons against Iran (Gerson 2007). As Kucinich pointed out during last night’s debate, this is what Obama’s comment that “all options are on the table” in regard to Iran really boils down to: the potential first black U.S. President is willing to seriously consider the launching of a thermonuclear attack on that country. Debate participant Mike Gravel (a left former U.S. Senator of Alaska)was thinking of that horrific possibility when said the following about the leading Democratic candidates (Obama included of course) last night: “these people scare me.”



http://www.zmag.org/content/showarticle.cfm?ItemID=1268...

[DURHAM D]

1. Ouch. eom

[WillYourVoteBCounted]

44. Hillary about Kosovo: "I urged him to bomb."

Tomorrow's Neocon Today
Why Clinton II wouldn't offer much change from Bush II

Radley Balko | October 19, 2007

She once boasted that as the tension in Kosovo mounted,
she called her husband from her trip to Africa and,
"I urged him to bomb."

Such is why President Bush has recently had some nice things to say about Hillary Clinton, leading some to speculate that Bush sees her as the Eisenhower to his Truman—a candidate from the opposing party who criticizes his foreign policy during the campaign, but will likely pursue a very similar policy should she be elected.



http://www.reason.com/news/show/123103.html

[Hobarticus]

77. So, what would Obama have done about Kosovo?

Just curious, your take.

[MNDemNY]

Ya, but before he was a Senator, he was against it.

I'm sure if he had been a Senator then, he would have went against leadership and voted against the IWR. as his vote record clearly indicates.

[jackson_dem]

71. Yup. The biggest fairy tale ever

[rodeodance]

106. * then he did not know what he would do

[rodeodance]

107. * then he was against it

[rodeodance]

108. * then he funded it

[rodeodance]

109. * then decided to run for pres--now really really against it

[rodeodance]

110. * then many DU and media base evidence on a NON-existantant "vote"

[eShirl]

2. stack those up against a list of Hillary's votes on the same thing, and you'd have a good post

[MNDemNY]

3. You mean showing that they are essentially, identical?

[eShirl]

8. I mean showing whatever they show

[Rageneau]

13. Did Hillary campaign for warmonger Lieberman? BO did.

The way to make sure a war keeps going is to support the people who support it. Joe Lieberman is the biggest war hawk in the Dem Party. If we had got rid of Lieberman in 2006, Democrats could TODAY have the votes to begin pulling out of Iraq.

But we didn't get rid of Lieberman the warmonger, and one reason we didn't is Barrack Obama, hypocritical enabler of warmongers. (Hypocritical, because one either opposes the war or supports it, not both.)

[ElsewheresDaughter]

42. yup Obama supported Lieberman

[SOS]

94. "Lamont Gets Help From Obama"

http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2006/10/27/ap/politics/m...

[Tom Joad]

76. who do you think mentored bomba?

[MessiahRp]

Why don't we be fair and put Hillary's votes up on these same bills?

Then it will be clearer in choosing who was wrong more often.

I bet it will be Hillary.

Rp

[MNDemNY]

7. I'd venture to say that they are almost,if not actually, identical.

[jackson_dem]

72. They are identical on the war. That is the point!

[SOS]

96. No they are not.

This thread assumes that there is no difference between voting to authorize Bush to use military force against Iraq and voting to supply US forces already in combat.

Can you name one instance in US history where Congress voted to defund a war?

[shenmue]

4. Thank you. Finally someone talks about *his actual record.*

And how shaky it is!

This man has done little except support a Reagan Democrat type of party line not much distinguishable from many of the young neoconservatives. His entire reputation as a liberal comes from his speech at the last convention. He's a fad, and if he can't take his supporters where he's promised them, he'll wind up as the next Howard Dean. All flash, no substance. And no realism.

He's supported by the kind of people who want a quick and wordy solution to complex issues. They hate to think that the problems in this country may require a lot more depth.

Obama is, plain and simple, not much of a Senator, and he doesn't stack up as a potential president.

[ginnyinWI]

5. IF Obama is so pro-war:

Why then did Dennis Kucinich tell his Iowa supporters to caucus for Obama as a second choice after himself??

[MNDemNY]

10. As an attempt to thwart Edwards.

[Dinger]

14. Obama Wasn't In The U.S. Senate When Hillary Was. So

it's pretty easy for him to say he was anti-war, and would have voted that way, but in the Illinois State Senate, he didn't have a vote at the time.

P.S. By the way, I do believe he is anti-war.

[ginnyinWI]

22. But he was looking at running for the U.S. Senate.

Being anti-war was a risky position to take going into a national race.

[Dinger]

23. "Looking At Running" Isn't Quite The Same as Being A U.S. Senator Though

I am glad Obama is in the Senate. The Senate needs him. Wish he'd finish his first term though.

[ginnyinWI]

26. that's just being picky

The fact remains that it was a politically risky position to take.

[Dinger]

31. Risky For Hillary Maybe, But Not Obama (nt)

[Justice Is Comin]

86. Oh please

his *cough* "opponent" was *cough * Alan Keyes.

David Duke could have beat him. There isn't enough sincerity in Obama to fill a thimble. He's a cross between a snake oil salesman and Mr. McGoo.

[Mags]

114. These Obama people can't handle the truth. You all should

know that by now. They never face it.

[nonconformist]

69. Then why hasn't Kucinich endorsed Obama? nt

[Hobarticus]

80. WOW...good point!

If Kooch ain't endorsing you, kinda hard to paint oneself as "anti-war". Great post!

[NYCGirl]

124. But when Russ Feingold votes for you and Ned Lamont endorses you, it's

pretty obvious who's "anti-war."

[rug]

6. I'll be, he does have a record.

[elixir]

12. And a pretty nasty one, at that.

[rodeodance]

9. BOOKmarked

[MethuenProgressive]

Obama did propose a troop withdrawal bill, which he sent to his own committee and was never voted on...

They call that there a Vanity Bill in the US Senate.
Propose it, have it read out, and then hide it from ever getting voted on.

[ElsewheresDaughter]

17. ahh gotta love them vanity bills

[rodeodance]

11. its always bothered me how he uses a NON-existant "vote" by him to advance

he so called anti war stance.

[ElsewheresDaughter]

73. it is very disingenuous of him.......

he really is full of shit

[Pawel K]

15. And you point is?

Where does Hillary differ on any of these things? Sure, they are bad. But again, at least he had the foresight to actually be against this war from the start, unlike Hillary.

[rug]

20. He was against something he subsequently supported?

[Pawel K]

28. Could you be anymore dishonest?

No.

He was against going in to Iraq in the first place. Once people like Hillary voted to go in to this mess there wasn't much he could do about that. His votes there after were wrong, but so were hillary's. It still doesn't change the fact that he was originally right and she was originally and afterwards totally wrong.

I mean really, is this your guy's new talking point. That Obama is just as bad as Hillary? I'm sure that will stick, congratulations. I guess if Hillary isn't winning you people are willing to take down the entire party with her by spreading this bullshit. Classy.

[ElsewheresDaughter]

32. when asked in the debates he said he is will to nuke Iran "all options are on the table"......

so yes do, let's be honest!

[Pawel K]

36. What does that have to do with my 1 simple point

which is that Obama was against invading Iraq while Clinton voted for it? Something you failed to mention in your OP. You also failed to mention that Clinton has exactly the same position on all those issues. The 1 key difference is before we went in to this idiotic war, in that case Obama was right she was wrong.

These cheap distractions don't do you any justice. As always we are left with a douche and a turd. I find it funny that Hillary supporters are now running on the concept that Obama is just as bad as her instead of running on something a little more substantial.

[nonconformist]

65. Obama supporters say he's the "anti-war" candidate

And that Hillary is a vicious war monger.

[Pawel K]

87. but why is the OP trying to run on the fact that Obama is just as bad as Clinton?

It's amazing that at this point this is all she has to run on. What a sad party this has become.

[bowens43]

16. Did you fdorget to post Hillary's pro war record?

I bet you did. You hillary people are getting really desperate.

[ElsewheresDaughter]

34. can't you read.?..this thread is about "Obama's pro-war record"

[tabasco]

118. Only Obama bashers welcome.

The smell of rotting desperation and sour grapes is sickening.

[nonconformist]

66. I don't think they "fdorget", but Obama supporters say HE is the "anti-war candidate" nt

[Hobarticus]

78. HRC isn't on an anti-war platform like Obama is, is she?

This is about Obama. And it's completely a legitimate discussion to have. If he's portraying himself as the "anti-war" candidate, then people are being had.

[LSK]

18. I am convinced!!! Russ Feingold for President!!!!

[UALRBSofL]

19. Thanks for posting

Interesting reading

[Middle finga]

21. Out of three candidates he's the least hawkish so....

[ElsewheresDaughter]

24. how so he has said he would nuke Iran

[Middle finga]

27. You must be confusing him with your candidates Clinton and McCain

He's the only one who's willing to talk directly to Iran.

[ElsewheresDaughter]

29. “all options are on the table” .....Barack Obama

[itcfish]

25. Thank You

It's about time somebody exposed St. Obama.

[ElsewheresDaughter]

41. amen

[rodeodance]

88. way past time--Thank you.

[AtomicKitten]

30. And peace is war, up is down, and black is white.

[ElsewheresDaughter]

33. kick for rndmprsn

[niyad]

35. k & r

[robbedvoter]

37. Yup. For someone who knew the war was "stupid" - there's no excuse.

I know I ragged on Edwards - because I doubted the sincerity of his change. But at least, true or not, his change was IN THE RIGHT DIRECTION.
The issue of trust is much more dramatic here.

[ElsewheresDaughter]

38. thank you

[557188]

39. K&R

The cult will continue to ignore it though.

[ElsewheresDaughter]

121. I will keep reminding them of it

[UALRBSofL]

40. K/R

[ElsewheresDaughter]

43. A KICK FOR Leopolds Ghost

[QC]

45. ZMEG IS A KLINTOON SHILL RAG!!1!!!11!!!!!

[ElsewheresDaughter]

49. ROFL

[rodeodance]

111. Rovian tactic KILL THE MESSENGER

[Cameron27]

46. Thank you!

It's great to get beyond the lofty rhetoric and look at his record!

K&R

[poomie123]

47. ¡Qué mensaje bueno!

Translation: Great post!

[ElsewheresDaughter]

48. Muchas gracias

[Skip Intro]

50. K&R - bookmarked...

thanks.

[Beaverhausen]

51. wow- he's worse than I remembered

I had been hoping for good things from him after the 2004 speech, but he really disappointed me when he got into the senate.

I'm so glad my primary is behind me.

[Thepricebreaker]

52. Wow look at the 7 people that keep kicking this thread - ITS NOT GOING TO STICK.. GET OVER IT.

[Orwellian_Ghost]

53. Strange

What does that mean?

Do you not want to know the entire record of your candidate or at least what he has done on the major issues?

[ElsewheresDaughter]

54. Thank you for that kick!

[demo dutch]

56. Just consider it lots of ammo for McCain. What still living in La La Land?

[ElsewheresDaughter]

59. just posting the facts trying to open some eyes about St Obama before it's too late for us

[demo dutch]

62. St Obama with the "Yes we can" Unreality. See link

http://www.nytimes.com/2008/02/12/opinion/12brooks.html

[nonconformist]

67. Thanks, n00b! nt

[Hobarticus]

81. It won't stick...McCain's going to nail it to his forehead

And you'd better grow the fuck up and get used to seeing Obama get hammered on this shit if he gets the nom, because it is indeed going to happen.

[ElsewheresDaughter]

83. oh it'll stick along with the TONS of other shit the swiftboaters have stored up for him

[demo dutch]

55. Lots of ammo for McCain

[ElsewheresDaughter]

57. that's what the rethugs want Obama ...cuz sadly they know he is the easiest to defeat in the GE

[demo dutch]

60. Sure this country is somewhere in the middle not the far left or far right

[mdmc]

58. We have two choices... neither are peaceniks

Both like the bomb

[ElsewheresDaughter]

61. true that.!............. but many here don't get it and only blame Hillary

[mdmc]

63. yup,,,

this GD:p forum gets pretty ugly, and brings out the worst in me. I try to stay out of it as much as I can.

I think either dem can beat McCain. They should just team up and get it over with.

[ElsewheresDaughter]

64. a dream ticket it would be...sigh.....hey how's things in Newburgh and the baby must be getting big

I'll be down there on wednesday

[mdmc]

91. there is another one, Louise - age 3 months

William is two. His mommy and daddy are big Obama or Bloomberg fans.

I will be working late tomorrow, until about 7:30pm.

Newburgh is getting strong. Best its been in my lifetime.

[ElsewheresDaughter]

102. aww a little girl this time....I am so happy for all of you..Congatulations

[nonconformist]

68. Which is why making your decision based solely on the IWR vote is RIDICULOUS

As many, many here have claimed to have done.

[ElsewheresDaughter]

70. agreed and sadly I do so

[Auntie Bush]

74. Oh my God...what a list! I'm going to bookmark that and send it to lots of "friends"

and unfortunately relatives too.

N o wonder Bill Clinton said it was a fairy tale that he was anti-war. He just says he is...just WORDS! He votes just like a Rethug. No wonder the Rethugs like him and are voting for him...he's one of them. Good grief! To think he might be our President!

[Tom Joad]

75. His record is nearly as bad as Hillary's, that's for damn sure

No Change. that what you get with mccainhillaryobama.
still, i will vote for obama, most likely.

[ElsewheresDaughter]

79. I don't know about the mc cain thing being thrown in with them tho

[nonconformist]

82. Kick

[ElsewheresDaughter]

84. another kick for the left coasties

[anamandujano]

85. Good work! REC

[zulchzulu]

89. Voting to support the troops and veterans in harm's way that Hillary helped happen...

...is not "pro-war".

Are you suggesting that Obama should have voted against giving the troops protection in harm's way thanks to warmongers like Hillary and not fund Veterans who need support as well?

Give me a break...this "argument" is garbage.

[ElsewheresDaughter]

90. take off your magic Obama glasses and read it with your own eyes

[ElsewheresDaughter]

92. a self kick for truth

[anigbrowl]

95. Oh, a self-kicker. You're so noble!

[blm]

93. Take 30 seconds and you'll have no problem finding Clintons' PROBUSH RECORD.

You can start here:
http://www.cnn.com/2004/US/06/19/clinton.iraq /

And then go here:
http://www.tpmcafe.com/blog/coffeehouse/2006/oct/07/did...


Then here:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dk1k0nUWEQg

But THIS is what started it all:
http://consortiumnews.com/2006/111106.html

[Ivote]

97. Here It Is In Black & White

http://obama.senate.gov/votes/

[judaspriestess]

98. If Obama was truly anti war then based on the simple fact that

he spoke out against the war gives him the "security blanket" for lack of a better term to continue to vote against funding the war. It is the principle of the matter.

He can very easily say something to the effect of; I said from the beginning that going to war with Iraq was wrong therefore I cannot in good conscious vote to fund the war and in no means is an insult to our troops but I must remain true to my stance.

But he hasn't done this, my question is why??

[Catchawave]

105. Good question? Defunding the war would end it, as the budget

is approved months in advance. The troops wouldn't starve or be left unprotected as so many here misunderstand.

My problem with Mr.Anti-War, why isn't he grabbing a megahorn in the Senate cloakroom?

Isn't he a committee chairman? Has he ever convened his committee?

I'm sure these points of light will be coming at us by the GOP on his leadership credentials, heaven help the Dems.

[Riley133]

99. And he will not hesitate to use a preemptive strike if the US is threatened. Thanks for posting. nt

[RememberWellstone]

100. Doh!!

I did not know that...or for that matter, anything substantive other than "hope".

[557188]

101. kick

[bunnies]

103. 1 million dead Iraqis. Next. nt

[RestoreGore]

104. Frightening n/t

[Infinite Hope]

112. An anti-war candidate can vote for funding in good conscience. As for the nominations...

I won't defend that.

[leftofthedial]

113. thanks for the list. that's pretty brutal.

he's pretty much just as bad as Clinton on the illegal occupation.

[Forkboy]

115. Unfortunately, as a Hillary supporter, you people have no legs to stand on when it comes to this.

While it's fine to point out Obama's record on this it makes no real difference because your candidate is just as bad, if not worse. Hillary supporters can't take the high road because there isn't one.

[557188]

116. Hillary isn't running as the anti-war candidate

Some people are only supporting Obama because they are too stupid to do research and know he's just as bad in regards to Iraq.

[Forkboy]

117. Doesn't matter. Hillary supporters can't complain. She's as pro-war as he is.

For someone like me, who doesn't like either of them, this line of argument is a joke, and makes Hillary supporters look as hypocritical as it makes Obama fans look ignorant. Even you admit he's "just as bad". Is that really the message Hillary supporters want to send out?

[557188]

120. Hillary isn't running on an anti-war platform

How many times does that need to be drilled into your head?

OBAMA IS.

Its not about being hypocritical its about pointing out facts to uninformed Obama supporters. Obama is the one who is being dishonest not Hillary.

[Forkboy]

122. I think Obama fans are plenty well informed. I think they don't care.

A Hillary supporter complaining about ANYONE'S record on the war is laughable. I understand she isn't running on an anti-war message, thank you. But for someone like me, who doesn't support either one, it's like watching twins try to tell me the other one is ugly. My post was about my perception as a non-supporter of either one, and how silly this line or argument seems to me. If your mileage varies then that's swell.

[557188]

128. Obama supporters don't know

I could link you to quite a few youtube videos of Obama supporters being clueless about Obama.

If the sole reason you support a candidate is for a false assumption you should know about it. Its my job to help educate folks. You can't say Obama is anti war so pick something else to support him with.

I am not for Hillary I am more anti-Obama. Hillary, sadly, just happens to be the only option left at this point.

[ElsewheresDaughter]

119. then why is Obama trying to decieve so many into believing that he is the anti-war candidate?

[Forkboy]

123. I don't know...ask him.

His words don't mean anything to me. Saying he wouldn't have voted for it doesn't impress me because he never had to make that decision and talk is easy from the sidelines (just ask all of us on DU).

If I was a Hillary fan this is an avenue I wouldn't be in any hurry to travel down. But her campaign seems intent on self destruction, so have it...

[NYCGirl]

125. Russ Feingold and Ned Lamont are so gullible!

[MadHound]

126. IWR, IWR, IWR, IWR, IWR, IWR, IWR. Kyle/Lieberman, Kyle/Lieberman, Kyle/Lieberman, Kyle/Lieberman

Quite frankly, when it comes down to it, it is a matter of accountability. Hillary voted to enable this illegal, immoral war that has killed over a million innocent. She has continued to support it, hasn't admitted that she made a mistake about it, and then went another step further and rattled the saber at Iran.

It is time that she was held accountable for her actions, which is what many millions of anti-war people across the country are doing it. If you don't like it, TS, tell your candidate that next time she shouldn't vote to enable Bushco's bloody war.

[LWolf]

127. He is not, and never has been, the "anti-war" candidate.

He is just as hawkish as the other one, but less honest about it.

A speech saying you opposed the war before it happened is not evidence. Evidence is what you do when you are in a position to act, and his votes speak for themselves.