Less "new" to Obama than Meets the Eye

[kennetha]

Seems that Obama likes to borrow lines from his friends. And it seems that maybe the MSM is finally starting to pick up on the fact that maybe Obama is a little bit of a phony. Remember Joe Biden's first run for the presidency, which was torpedoed by his plagiarism of a speech by another? Don't see why it's any better to plagiarize off of your friends. Where I come from that's still considered plagiarism.

Check this out from Jack Tapper:

Obama Echoes Deval Patrick...Again

And this from the NYT:

An Obama Refrain Bears Echoes of a Governor’s Speeches

And watch Deval in action HERE and Obama in action HERE.

For those of you too young to remember Joe Biden's downfall 20 years ago, check this out:

http://query.nytimes.com/gst/fullpage.html?res=9B0DE3DB143FF93BA2575AC0A961948260&scp=4&sq=Biden+Plagiarism+&st=nyt">Biden Admits Plagiarism in School But Says It Was Not 'Malevolent'

[Skittles]

1. seems strange to me

in this day and age with the internet readily available it would seem extremely foolish for a politician to plagiarize another politician. Does Obama write his own speeches? Whenever I hear commentary on them it is always about the delivery (admittedly very good).

[kennetha]

2. Right it is strange!

But hey what's a little plagiarism among friends? I think the Obama supporters will say that since Deval probably fed him the lines knowingly, it's not plagiarism. But try that one out at a judicial hearing on student plagiarism in any University in the country. In the world for that matter. I didn't cheat. Because my friend agreed to LET me copy off his paper or exam. Yeah, right!

[Skittles]

3. yes it would be indefensible

I'll have to research this more to make a determination

[InsultComicDog]

5. If this is plagiarism

then every time someone uses a "talking point" it is plagiarism.

[DaLittle Kitty]

6. How Long Does It Take For People To open Their Eyes? The ObamaRamaKids Bought The MSM Koolaide

and now we'll ALL find out just how SOUR it is... Edwards tossed because of naivete' and brainlessness! Well I'm ready to go picket the DLC in January 2009... Who's with me?

[DaLittle Kitty]

7. More Idiots in the Democratic Party... Than You Can Shake A Stick At!

and now we'll ALL find out just how SOUR it is... Edwards tossed because of naivete' and brainlessness! Well I'm ready to go picket the DLC in January 2009... Who's with me?



If John Edwards Endorses Hillary Clinton It will Be A Complete SELLOUT By Edwards!
Posted by DaLittle Kitty in General Discussion: Primaries
Thu Feb 14th 2008, 10:24 PM
Your Comments Are Invited......... Anyone care to deny that such a move by our Official Anti-Corporatism Candidate would be a sellout of monumental proportion, as Hillary Clinton is undeniably... The Queen of Corporatism?

Please Johnny Stand Strong... Do Not Cave! Stand on Principle! We can still trust in you TODAY... But NEVER again if you sacrifice our sacred trust in you demonstrated by our hard earned dollars contributed, and our steadfast personal support.

You will make US out to be the fools... Think hard before you do this... If you are even thinking of such a decision.

If Obama is not ready, is not capable and is holding baggage both known and unknown and of course Hillary has baggage as well... then just sit tight... Let THEM be the fools.. You will, by standing firmly behind your stated principles and beliefs, be the one that EVERYONE WILL EXCLAIM... "It Should Have Been Edwards... and WE WOULD HAVE WON!" "If ONLY... WE had chosen Edwards... WE WOULD HAVE WON!"

That is what YOU want the People to Say... That THEY were in fact the fools... Those who lacked the character, political maturity and foresight ... to see the light through the opacity of the thick media fog... those who did not support you now and before... but can only lament that they did not in the end... wishing that they did...

Let the vast throngs make their error and live with it... Do not compound the error by jumping in bed with those who thought that they listened but in reality... did not.

Go now Johnny... Think twice... You are young... just a few years older than this writer who has met you and trusted you... to do the Right and appropriate thing.

Play for US... WE trusted you to stay in it to the finish... You suspended your campaign and we were, and many of US ARE STILL WITH ... YOU! Stay with US now... Let history as you say play itself out...

If you stand aside and let the history makers manufactured as they are ... make their history you may well come out shining brightest of all in the end.

Best to you, Elizabeth and the kids! J@JRFCDC

[Skittles]

11. I think perhaps given the facts, the plagiarism charge may be dubious

however, it is very poor form for someone currently extremly high profile as Obama to be using recylced speech - very poor form INDEED

[Garbo 2004]

4. Previous thread:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=132x4631262

[rodeodance]

8. Makes for a good speech though.

[Iceburg]

9. Change ... that comma. Yes We Can /nt

[ProSense]

10. The Hillary campaign of desperation

“Don’t tell me words don’t matter,” Mr. Obama said, to applause. “ ‘I have a dream’ — just words? ‘We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal’ — just words? ‘We have nothing to fear but fear itself’ — just words? Just speeches?”

Mr. Patrick employed similar language during his 2006 governor’s race when his Republican rival, Kerry Healey, criticized him as offering lofty rhetoric over specifics. Mr. Patrick has endorsed Mr. Obama, and the two men are close friends.

“ ‘We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal’ — just words? Just words?” Mr. Patrick said one month before his election. “ ‘We have nothing to fear but fear itself’ — just words? ‘Ask not what your country can do for you, ask what you can do for your country.’ Just words? ‘I have a dream’ — just words?”

In a telephone interview on Sunday, Mr. Patrick said that he and Mr. Obama first talked about the attacks from their respective rivals last summer, when Mrs. Clinton was raising questions about Mr. Obama’s experience, and that they discussed them again last week.

Both men had anticipated that Mr. Obama’s rhetorical strength would provide a point of criticism. Mr. Patrick said he told Mr. Obama that he should respond to the criticism, and he shared language from his campaign with Mr. Obama’s speechwriters.

Mr. Patrick said he did not believe Mr. Obama should give him credit.

“Who knows who I am? The point is more important than whose argument it is,” said Mr. Patrick, who telephoned The New York Times at the request of the Obama campaign. “It’s a transcendent argument.”

David Axelrod, the chief strategist for Mr. Obama who also advised Mr. Patrick, said Sunday that Mr. Obama adapted the words from Mr. Patrick. Mr. Axelrod said that he did not write the words for either candidate.

“They often riff off one another. They share a world view,” Mr. Axelrod said. “Both of them are effective speakers whose words tend to get requoted and arguments tend to be embraced widely.”

The similarities from a passage of Mr. Obama’s speech on Saturday and in remarks that Mr. Patrick delivered on Oct. 15, 2006, were highlighted by a rival campaign that did not want to be identified. Clips of both speeches are archived on the Web site YouTube.com.

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A rival campaign? LOL! Run for the hills, the speeches sound similar!