How Dare Hillary Supporters Shame Us into Supporting Her?

[babylonsister]

http://www.smirkingchimp.com/thread/12886

How Dare Hillary Supporters Shame Us into Supporting Her?
by Russ Wellen | February 17, 2008

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The questions beg to be asked: Where do Hillary's supporters get off trying to foist a candidate on us whose foreign policy sell-by date has expired? And whose strategy seems to be based on calling in markers on her husband's administration?

Furthermore, how dare they make women who choose not to vote for her feel like they're letting all women down? Shame on you, Hillary supporters, for shaming them.

If Hillary is nominated, Obama supporters will be expected to fall in line behind Hillary just because she's a Democrat. But, no doubt, they'll still be licking their wounds from the defeat of a candidate whose ambition was leavened by what looks, for all intents and purposes, like genuine idealism.

A defeat borne of strong-arming superdelegates, as well as an after-the-fact certification of the Florida and Michigan primary votes, will leave many Obama supporters in no mood to vote for Hillary. But pressure from not just Hillary supporters, but Democrats at large who are preparing for such an eventuality, has been ongoing.

How dare Democrats desperate to regain the White House at any cost guilt-trip reluctant Obama supporters into voting for Hillary? The onus isn't on the latter if the Democrats fail to take the White House -- it's on the party for driving a lemon of a candidate out of the showroom.

[NC_Nurse]

1. It won't work anyway.

Just makes her look bad.

[helderheid]

64. Amen to that.

[AtomicKitten]

2. K&R

:thumbsup:

[hayu_lol]

6. Obama supporters are perfectly free to have their own opinions...

but not their own facts.

Personally, I don't care who the Obama supporters vote for. That is their business.

[AtomicKitten]

11. thank you for that announcement and I couldn't care less who you vote for either

So what?

[TexasObserver]

3. whose strategy seems to be based on calling in markers on her husband's administration

[WillyT]

4. Oh... OUCH !!!

:evilgrin:

[ChazII]

5. K&R

[Cha]

7. Yeah, that's going over

real well on DU.

[CorpGovActivist]

76. .

[Blue State Bandit]

8. As an Obama supporter, I was hopeing that Sen. Clinton would retain...

her status in the party, strongly supporting her as Senate Majority leader and future candidate after world political situation is more favorable. But I see her actions in this campaign as damaging to her ability to retain her position in my mind, heart, and good sense.

i hope for her sake, and the party's as well that she can limit the damage to her reputation without damaging the party. But I will support my candidate, and my party before I will support her if she continues to allow her campaign to it's slash and burn trajectory.

[gerrilea]

9. As a woman, what has Barack done for me lately?

Nothing! HRC and her offices helped me personally when I was having "problems" with the post office...if you are ashamed of your support for Obama because you are a woman that's your personal issue...don't put that on my shoulders...

Or any HRC supporter!

30 years ago a woman actually running on any ticket for the top prize was unheard of and because of woman like HRC we today have more choices and options...not just the status quo...we can be more...but all the Hillary hatred around her is disqusting...

She alone of all the choices we now have is the best person for the job...period!

And as a woman she scares the "old boys network" and you all have bought into this media feeding on her!

Divide and conquer...looks like they are doing their job...

[Blue State Bandit]

16. I hope that, what ever the outcome of this election is,

that you would call on Senator Obama with an issue close to you, or that you need a hand with.

Since I'm not from Ill. I have to rely on Arlen Spector. But my mother has received advice from his office

concerning her terminal illness and an ongoing dispute with her HMO. And if she is well enough to

attend, I plan on taking her to brief him or his staff on Hep C, HIV, and womens/public health

concerns that she has intimate knowledge of from her work on the CHOICE hotline when he comes to Philly.

[babylonsister]

17. Good advice, and Obama encourages interaction on all his policy

points.

http://www.barackobama.com/issues/healthcare/


Speak your mind and help set the policies that will guide this campaign and change the country.

* Present your ideas
* Discuss with others

[Blue State Bandit]

35. Hey Babs...

If I may, check your mail. I have a question.

[Omphaloskepsis]

26. I'm just curious what "problems with the post office" entails.

[gerrilea]

39. Very simple but detailed problem

My father passed away and one of the things I got was his dog...Donner, an 11 yr old rotty...pure bread with papers...but an old dog...good to the bone friendly...loved to watch the Animal Planet...really...

Well, I had a dog chain tied to my front porch...for him at night...I took him to work with me during the day...he was really old and I was afraid he might "mess" in the house if left alone...

Well, a month after I had him...my neighbors leave me a nasty note that they can't get their mail delivered to the house because of the dog.

Confused and unsure of what they were talking about I went over to their house and they told me that the letter carrier refused to deliver the mail because of the dog chain...not the dog mind you...

After some phone calls to the post office and their refusal to do their job...you see it's federal law that no one can interfer with the delivery of the mail...even the mail carrier...I got nowhere with the post office...they kept telling me that Union Rules allowed for the mail carrier to refuse delivery if they felt they were in danger...makes sense...but for the law...

And the facts that the dog went to work with me everyday...the dog wasn't even in the house when the mail would/should have been delivered...and the fact that I was not even informed made me a bit angry...for an entire month the mail was not delivered to my neighbors house...how rediculous...

Add to this the fact that I've lived in the same house for over 15 years and had a post office box at the post office and they knew me...but nothing was ever told to me...they could have left me a note in my PO Box...but nothing...

I was told that there was a card for my address at the post office, warning any mail carriers that there was a dog there and not to deliver the mail...how bizzare...

I became even more angry and wrote HRC's office and within 3 days I had a written apology and the actual card from their records mailed to me...saying that there was a mistake with the "new" mail carrier...and the mail was then delivered again...

So, despite all the whinning here about HRC...she didn't have to do anything for me...but she did...

[Cha]

42. Whoa...How's that work for ya? Being all about

you? And, you're the one who sounds all whiny.

[gerrilea]

44. ??? great response...no substance...typical...

Someone asked the question and I told the story...maybe you should read a little more before making stupid comments...

[Cha]

48. I read your story and read where you called

Obama supporters whiny..you can dish it out but can't take it...typical hilary.

[gerrilea]

49. I was asked a question and I answered it....no whinning here!

[TheDoorbellRang]

53. That's a great story, gerrilea

I'm glad she came thru for you. It's stories like these that Hillary supporters should be sharing. Makes me like her a little more -- still hasn't tipped the scales -- but helps a bit.

[Divernan]

61. Rick Santorum's competent staffer gave me a quick response too! ! !

Bad me! ! ! I didn't vote for him in the next election!
Or what if you found out that the Clinton staffer, who quite quickly and competently handled your problem, was actually a MALE !?!?!?!

Have you so little political experience that you believe a nice, quick, turnaround in only THREE DAYS was because a United States Senator personally reads every piece of mail and then makes a personal decision on what action is to be taken, and then personally does something? No is the correct answer to all three questions.

Letters are screened and grouped according to a system, such as what type of person/corporation/organization is on the return address. Letters from elected officials/government agencies; letters from businesses/corporations/lobbyists; letters from constituents; hand addressed letters from out of state; etc. Even elected reps at the state government level have several staffers to screen their correspondence.

Once the letters (or phoned in requests) are "sorted", they are assigned to specific staffers who always handle certain "types" of requests, and therefore have developed expertise and contacts to most efficiently respond.

As an example, as a constituent of Rick Santorum, I have gotten a similarly satisfactory and quick response from one of his staff members also. But guess what ! ! ! I never voted for him and I never would vote for him.

The prime directive for staffers is to keep constituents happy & to give constituents a quick response. Why is that? Because politicians know that for the vast majority of constituents, it's all about the constituents' personal lives, and the vast majority of constituents are too busy, or too lazy, or too undereducated to follow the votes and actions of their elected representatives.

Staffers are even assigned to screen the local papers and write congratulatory notes to people because their kid graduated from high school, or college, or someone has a wedding anniversary.
But hey! it works! You're a prime example.

[gerrilea]

74. Please don't compare HRC to Rick Santorum

You assume alot on your part.

1. That I assume she personally helped me...I know if fact that it was a staffer...they called me and left a message...
2.That I'm voting for her because of this help...
3.That I'm voting for her only because she a woman...
4. You assume I need a political education..as seen from your perspective.

I firmly believe that my elected officials are responsible to me and my personal problems when it comes to a buracracy they created on my behalf...they are the only ones who can control that beast when and if needed...it is their 1st and foremost duty!

When and if ever, Americans realize that they have more power than afforded to them...then nothing will ever change and our elected officials become more than my public servant...

Everyone here it seems, at DU, want's some smooth talking savior to take away their woes...when they/we are to blame for the mess our Country is in...they are responsible to us...period...to believe something else is naive and backwards!


If HRC didn't care about her constituents...then I would have gotten nothing...I wrote Chuck Schumer's offices first(he is my senior Senator and I assumed his offices would know best because of experience, how to handle the situation) and got nothing...

but they both are my elected officials... it matters not whether she did it personally or a staffer...she must have given her staff directions remember the old addage "a fish rots from the head down"...well...HRC's fish is alive and well by my standards...

This alone tells me that she knows how to delegate authority and control our government in a way that helps me...the voter...she is someone I can believe in...period...

[ContinentalOp]

77. Jesus

You needed a member of the United States Senate to help you with THAT? It's good to hear that Hillary has some pull with the folks down at the post office though. I'll take that into consideration.

[earthlover]

27. So I guess you support her because she has ovaries? Enough said....Me, I dislike your sexism

[gerrilea]

45. We've been put down for centuries and your attitude is the problem

Sum my support up in a nice little quip and then accuse me of being sexist!

[WillYourVoteBCounted]

32. vote for Hillary or she'll cry - again

:cry:

[gerrilea]

46. How Childish...

[MediaBabe]

40. And Barack is going to have his hands full if he's elected

He sure isn't going to have any time NOR INFLUENCE to spare on womens issues even if he is so inclined, which I doubt as nothing so far shows any favorable disposition in that direction.

[AZBlue]

47. You think she helped you just because you're both women?

I'm glad you got help when needed, but let's keep the issues straight.

[gerrilea]

54. She helped because she care's about her constituents!

Not because we're women...

[BlackVelvet04]

51. I think they doth protest too much.......n/t

[Common Sense Party]

59. Gee, Hillary helped you...and she's your Senator!

What a coincidence!

I'm guessing Obama didn't help you because...you didn't call his office?

[gerrilea]

75. If she didn't care I would have gotten nothing like I did with Senator Schumers office

[mod mom]

70. Obama received a 100 percent rating from NARAL, a leading pro-choice organization

Obama on Issues Choice issues:

REPRODUCTIVE CHOICE
Supports a Woman’s Right to Choose:
Barack Obama understands that abortion is a divisive issue, and respects those who disagree with him. However, he has been a consistent champion of reproductive choice and will make preserving women’s rights under Roe v. Wade a priority as President. He opposes any constitutional amendment to overturn the Supreme Court's decision in that case.

Preventing Unwanted Pregnancy:
Barack Obama is an original co-sponsor of legislation to expand access to contraception, health information and preventive services to help reduce unintended pregnancies. Introduced in January 2007, the Prevention First Act will increase funding for family planning and comprehensive sex education that teaches both abstinence and safe sex methods. The Act will also end insurance discrimination against contraception, improve awareness about emergency contraception, and provide compassionate assistance to rape victims.

-snip
http://my.barackobama.com/page/content/womenissues

Obama received a 100 percent rating from NARAL, a leading pro-choice organization, in 2005 and 2006. The Clinton campaign, however, has argued that his State Senate record of occasionally voting "present" on abortion bills (which Obama says was part of a broader legislative strategy) show he is "unwilling to take a stand on choice."

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/01/28/womens-rights-head-accus_n_83724.html

Present Votes Are an Accepted Legislative Strategy in the Illinois Senate
January 21, 2008

Obama Was Praised for Standing Up on Tough Issues-- Because His Senate Seat Was Not Vulnerable, He Used His Position To Help More Vulnerable Senators Do The Right Thing. Zorn wrote, "Obama, however, was in a safe district and never faced a serious challenge for his legislative seat. He had no need to shy from hard-line stands on gun control and abortion rights. He actually took such stands frequently and is now highly praised by advocates for both causes.

Anyone Who Thinks A Present Vote Is A "Duck" Doesn't Understand How the Process Works."There is a presumption, if one is not familiar with the mechanics of the General Assembly, that a present vote is a "duck." Pam Sutherland, the CEO and President of Illinois Planned Parenthood said of Hull argument: "I think it's not well-based…I think it's somebody who doesn't understand how the legislative process works."

Criticizing Present Votes Indicates "You Don't Have A Great Understanding Of The Process.""'Criticizing Obama on the basis of 'present' votes indicates you don't have a great understanding of the process,' said Thom Mannard, director of the Illinois Council Against Handgun Violence."

Voting Present in the State Legislature is Used as A Signal to the Other Party, Not As a Way to Duck the Issue. "An aspect of Obama's State Senate voting record that is drawing attention is his "present" votes. A present vote is a third option to an up or down "yes" or "no" that is used with great frequency in the Illinois General Assembly. It has many varied and nuanced meanings that, in the context of the actual bills, border on boring. It's most important use is as a signal – to the other party, to the governor, to the sponsor -- to show a willingness to compromise on the issue if not the exact bill, to show disapproval for one aspect of the bill, to question the constitutionality of the bill, to strengthen the bill.

Obama Would Vote 'Present' On Unconstitutional Bills, Saying He Tried To Resist Bad Votes That Make Good Politics. The AP reported, "Obama says his 'present' votes often come on bills that he believes are unconstitutional. 'I have tried to not succumb to the temptation of voting on bad laws just because it makes for good politics,' Obama said."

Senators Would Vote Present If They Had 'Unresolved Worries.' The State Journal-Register reported, "Sen. George Shadid, the Edwards Democrat who is pushing the legislation, promised Senate Education Committee members that he wouldn't move ahead with Senate Bill 368 'unless I can get a good consensus.'…Four committee members cited unresolved worries when they voted 'present' on the measure, which passed 7-0."

http://factcheck.barackobama.com/factcheck/2008/01/21/present_votes_are_an_accepted.php

[Tarc]

10. Anyother day, another round of babylonsister's hysterics

:boring:

If Obama loses, then he loses. If his supporters go off in a hissy fit huff, then they will get John McCain for a President.

And they and their egos will richly deserve it.

[K Gardner]

14. Another day, another Hillary supporter who can't or won't read. BabS didn't

write the article. :nopity:

[babylonsister]

15. The ignore ghost making nasties again? Ah, but which one?! nt

[K Gardner]

19. A different one from the last time, BabS ! Your ignore list is much more inclusive than mine..

I may have to borrow it ! :hug:

[Tarc]

21. I didn't say she did, dumbass

If someone posts an article here in this manner, its a safe assumption that they agree with it.

Its whining becomes your whining.

[John Q. Citizen]

Attack the candidate all you want, but please refrain from attacking supporters. It justr reflects

poorly on yourself and your candidate.

Thanks!

[Tarc]

55. civility lessons coming from you, that is pretty amusing

:rofl:

What next, a lecture from Roger Clemens on fair play?

[Raejeanowl]

37. What's More, It's Commonly Used As A Shield

Now, I didn't say that...but I wanted to promulgate it nonetheless. Disingenuous, to say the least.

Whichever way the nomination rolls, and whatever the mechanism rolling it, there will be a large contingent of the disgruntled.

And it will all come down to the fate of the Democratic party and the occupancy of the White House (which may well also represent the fate of the American people) resting upon which candidate's group contains the larger number of pragmatic adults versus petulant children.

[donheld]

57. Some of us love it when Babylon Sister gets hysterical.

:bounce::bounce::bounce:

[Recursion]

67. Tarc, Babylonsister has done more for this forum than most 5 posters combined

Just sayin.

[Sadie5]

71. Another day, another round of babylonsister's hysterics

Amen to that! the hissy fits are getting a bit hard to follow.

[paulk]

12. so what do you want the Obama supporters to do?

vote third party?

"If Hillary is nominated, Obama supporters will be expected to fall in line behind Hillary just because she's a Democrat"


------------

Isn't that threat implicit in this article?

and we've got people giving this nonsense K & R's?

[Yael]

23. Adding a K&R

:D

[rodeodance]

13. Yawn~~

[bigtree]

18. those of us who endured the venom and attacks against the present Democratic majority

about their supposed refusal to aggressively confront the administration are NATURALLY bewildered by some of these same folks echoing the complaint of Obama that Democrats who advocated and FOUGHT against republican obstruction were somehow wrong to "HOLLER" and engaged in "PETTY PARTISAN POLITICS".

I thought the consensus here was that Democrats hadn't fought hard enough. But, in the advocacy of Obama of some of these same constant critics of our Democratic majority for being too timid or too accommodating of republicans, they've completely reversed their view to advocate along with their candidate for some kinder, gentler politics where Obama would supposedly charm the republican obstructionists into relinquishing power.

Tell me, where, SPECIFICALLY, do YOU believe that Democrats engaged in "PETTY PARTISAN POLITICS?"

[RememberWellstone]

20. Yawn +1

Is it November yet?

[bigtree]

28. so cool

so smug.

No, the coronation of your icon has been put off until the rest of the country has a chance to vote.

[peacebird]

29. Not even time for the convention yet - tho hopefully by then your gal will be out of the picture

[rodeodance]

33. where has all the hope gone------long time passing

[bigtree]

41. "hope and unity"

[Yael]

22. If she wins clean, she has my vote

If she pulls these types of stunts, she doesn't. I will vote downticket and leave the top spot blank.

[Magginkat]

24. How Dare Obama Supporters............

How Dare Obama & Supportes try to guilt trip us into voting for him simply because he is black?

Who Is Injecting Race?
http://www.taylormarsh.com/archives_view.php?id=26889

Jesse Jackson Jr. Threatens Colleagues as Pandemonium Breaks Out Over Lewis
http://www.taylormarsh.com/archives_view.php?id=27023


I voted for Edwards in our primary & he withdrew the next day. So as I sit watching the Obama Revival from the sidelines I have become sickened by the tv evangalist campaign. I am sick of hearing the Obama gang screeching that Florida and Michigan votes should not count but out of the other side of their mouth they are demanding that the "super delegates" vote for Obama.

I, probably like a lot of people, had no idea until recently that we had almost 800 super delegates. I think the super delegates should disappear but I also think that Florida and Michigan votes should count.

And I think that black leader should quit threatening those who do not vote for their Mr. Wonderful. Personally I do not believe for a minute that he can walk on water!

[babylonsister]

25. Taylor Marsh-now there's a reputable source.

:rofl::rofl:

[earthlover]

30. your taylor marsh article was insipid

Short on reasoning, evidence....sounded like a junior high rant.
I suppose anyone who could invent a name like taylor marsh ought to be listened to, but I found it vacuous.

[NashVegas]

63. So What Do You Call Regular DUers Who Pointed Out the Same Bullshit Last Week?

Are we insipid, too?

"I know you are, but what am I?"

[anigbrowl]

56. You had no idea?!

"I, probably like a lot of people, had no idea until recently that we had almost 800 super delegates."

You know, if you want to support the Democratic party you should put some effort into knowing how it works. I'm sad to say that a lot of Democrats - especially, but not exclusively those who supported candidates who have since left the race - don't seem to have a clue how the party runs or what its history is. I mean, knowing how the party picks its presidential nominee seems like deeply fundamental stuff to me.

(In fact, one ought to be just as aware of how the GOP picks their nominee, just to be basically informed about the political landscape in your own country. You don't need a degree for this when all the information is a few clicks away from a google search.)

Maybe if people put more thought and a little study into how elections work at the national, party, and ground level, those dropout candidates would have done better. Their failure to pick up traction is not so much a conspiracy of the MSM but a failure to run an effective campaign and pull in the votes. Look at Huckabee on the GOP side - he's pretty clueless about a lot of things and has never raised much money, but he sure knows how to run a campaign, and he gets himself on TV and in front of voters every day even though he's referred to continuously as a lost cause.

I'm sorry, but if you know so little about how the party selects its nominee it seriously devalues your political opinion. There's no excuse for being unaware of the process when the information is so widely available.


As for Michigan and Florida, I am OK with having their votes counted because frankly I don't think it'll make much difference to the result and won't push it one way or the other. However, if they get their votes counted it's basically due to charity on the part of the DNC. The rules for having delegates seated were laid out clearly before the individual states voted to hold their primaries early, and the penalties for going against the national party were clear too (which matters because the national party is the organization that actually wins the White House, because no state party can influence that outcome very much).

Voters in those states KNEW the national party and all the candidates had already committed back in 2007 to excluding delegates from any state that insisted on moving its primary before Super Tuesday. Complaining about it is just another way of saying you either weren't paying attention in 2007 or you allowed your state party to go it alone and figured there'd be no consequences, which is foolish and irresponsible.

[flyarm]

68. unfortunately you don't understand what happened in Florida..in order for us to get rid of DRE

voting machines, a bill was brought to give us voting machines ( optical scan) with a paper trail and removing all dre's from all counties in Florida.. and moving up the primary was tagged onto that bill..or piggy backed onto that bill by our republican majority.

so please if you are going to give a lecture..hmmmm....

quote :
Voters in those states KNEW the national party and all the candidates had already committed back in 2007 to excluding delegates from any state that insisted on moving its primary before Super Tuesday. Complaining about it is just another way of saying you either weren't paying attention in 2007 or you allowed your state party to go it alone and figured there'd be no consequences, which is foolish and irresponsible.


nooooo many of us knew this was happening and we were looking the devil in the eye..in order to get rid of our corrupt DRE voting machines..this bill was signed ...the repiglicans knew damn well what they were doing..the democratic party did not..

we fought long and hard to remove the DRE voting machines from Fla..and this was the only way we achieved that goal...and the repiglicans threw the primary date change onto the bill.

[emilyg]

69. Exactly.

[paperbag_ princess]

31. it is interesting how guilt and shame work

If you truly feel no guilt then when someone argues against you, it just rolls off your back. Anger only rears up when an argument has struck a nerve.

Everyone needs to do a gut check. Are you making excuses not to vote for Hillary? or do you have real reasons...if you think she would not make a good president then you should not vote for her...ever....that would not be moral nor would it benefit the democratic party in the long run.

Hillary voters need to have a gut check too....We all need to regularly assess whether or not racism or sexism is sneaking in...it is pervasive in our country...honest people (even progressives) need to always be alert to cultural themes that might be influencing us without our knowledge.

We would all be extremely naive to believe that roots of racism and sexism would not surface in an election process between the first legitimate black and woman candidate...but no matter who wins...both groups have made progress and brought some of the hidden skeletons out of the closet.

[babylonsister]

36. Good post, and welcome to DU! nt

[Reterr]

34. "expected to fall in line behind Hillary just because she's a Democrat"

I would rather see Obama in the WH than McCain, though I am not enthusiastic about him and his little revivalist movement (not my words-it is from the NYT). Hopefully most Obama supporters would have the sense to vote for Hillary (were she the nominee) rather than help McCain get into the WH.

[intotheforest689]

73. Clinton = Bush 2.0

I would support McCain any day over Clinton. She is pro war, pro Nafta, pro Patriot Act, Pro corporation.

At least with McCain we would have some chance of stopping the war.

A vote for Clinton in the primary = A vote for McCain

A vote for Obama is a vote for change.

I see Clinton as Bush 2.0, In fact i believe Bush said she was best suited to continue his strategies and tactics in Iraq and the war on the middle class.

[MediaBabe]

38. How dare some man

Tell me how Hillary makes women feel.

[WolverineDG]

43. And boy have I heard some doozies!

(1) Women have to work twice as hard to be just as good as a man, so you know Hillary has to campaign twice as hard.

(2) Barack has had everything just handed to him. Hillary has had to work for everything! (Here is generally where I say something like "Oh, so Harvard just gives someone the Editor of the Law Review position, all Barack had to do was ask for it?")

(3) Barack has been privileged his whole life. His father went to Harvard. His mother went to Harvard. (Ok, here is where my friend went off the rails...I pointed out it was Barack who worked his way through Havard LAW School & his parents actually went to the University of Hawaii)

(4) It's Hillary's turn. Barack is too young, too inexperienced. He hasn't done anything for anyone, but Hillary has done everything for women, including the dishes & windows. (Okay, I made the dishes & windows thing up, but since when do we "take turns" being President like we "take turns" riding shotgun in Mom's station wagon?)

(5) Barack is young. He can run again in 8 years. This is Hillary's only chance. (This is about the time I point out that all of these reasons are focused on Hillary, not what's best for the country; funny arguments coming from people who argue that Barack has no substance.)

(6) Think of all those 80 year old women who are just wanting to see a woman President before they die! (Were those 80 year old ladies thinking of me or anyone else when they voted for Bush?)

But the piece de resistance:

(7) If Hillary isn't elected our nominee & become President, we will NEVER have a woman President, ever ever ever. (At this point, I tell my friend that for the sake of our friendship, we'd best not talk until after March 4 because as a woman, I find this incredibly offensive.)

dg

[babylonsister]

50. That needs its own post-doozies indeed! nt

[WolverineDG]

52. done

:hi: sis!

dg

[donheld]

58. K & R

Thanks Babylonsis

[LulaMay]

60. AAAAAND it's written by a pissed off MAN! What a surprise.

[NashVegas]

62. Obama's Campaign to Hil Supporters: "I Know You Are But What Am I"?

Just about every accusation Obama supporters have thrown at Hillary supporters are based on complaints that Clinton's supporters have had with the Obama campaign, especially on message boards.

Just can't find an original thought, can they?

[0007]

65. How fitting is this song?

Well you can tell evryone Im a down disgrace
Drag my name all over the place.
I dont care anymore.
You can tell evrybody bout the state Im in
You wont catch me crying cos I just cant win.
I dont care anymore I dont care anymore

I dont care what you say
I dont play the same games you play.

cos Ive been talking to the people that you call your friends
And it seems to me theres a means to and end.
They dont care anymore.
And as for me I can sit here and bide my time
I got nothing to lose if I speak my mind.
I dont care anymore I dont care no more

I dont care what you say
We never played by the same rules anyway.

I wont be there anymore
Get out of my way
Let me by
I got better things to do with my time
I dont care anymore I dont care anymore
I dont care anymore I dont care anymore

Well, I dont care now what you say
cos evry day Im feeling fine with myself
And I dont care now what you say
Hey Ill do alright by myself
cos I know.

cos I remember all the times I tried so hard
And you laughed in my face cos you held all the cards.
I dont care anymore.
And I really aint bothered what you think of me
cos all I want of you is just a let me be.
I dont care anymore dyou hear? I dont care no more

I dont care what you say
I never did believe you much anyway.

I wont be there no more
So get out of my way.
Let me by
I got better things to do with my time
I dont care anymore
Dyou hear? I dont care anymore
I dont care no more
You listening? I dont care no more
No more!

You know I dont care no more!

[Faux pas]

66. ...

:applause:

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72. question for you

if clinton wins the nomination, what will you do?