There is nothing wrong with "hating" a candidate, and there is nothing wrong with GDP either

[mudesi]

There are legitimate reasons to be against either Clinton or Obama. I, for one, am tired of all the whining about it. The three thread limit has reduced the number of threads here and made it easier to find the "non hate" posts so many are yearning for, so what's the problem? Kick those threads if you want people to see them.

For the vast majority of us here, neither Clinton nor Obama were the first choice. It is utterly disappointing that we have been forced to choose among the two most conservative ("centrist", they would call themselves) and corporate candidates. Now that it's time to choose among them, it's entirely predictable that the only way to choose is to be against one as opposed to for the other.

This was all expected, so stop hand wringing. Maybe if the general American public had done the right thing and voted for Kucinich instead of letting the media decide for them (again), this forum would be a lot more pleasant.

For me, it's anti-Clinton. She is a member of the DLC, she voted for the war, she refuses to accept responsibility for it, and she's a corporate shill. The absolute worst thing that can happen is for Clinton to win this nomination and this presidency.

For others, it's Obama. He is too soft on the Republicans (wanting to "work together" with them. Ugh.), he pandered to the religious right, and his health care plan is a joke. He's going to win, which makes me glad, but not so glad that I'd be jumping for joy over it.

Let the primary season and GDP run its course. Until Kucinich or a candidate just like him wins the presidency, nothing is going to change anyway. The American people may be stirring in their sleep, but they sure haven't woken up to true liberalism yet.

[rucky]

1. If you're looking for a reason to dislike a candidate, you'll find one. n/t

[mudesi]

12. Not with Kucinich, that's for sure (nm)

[PurityOfEssence]

18. I'll take a piece of that: how about being a scofflaw?

When asked in one of the debates if he'd back those who deliberately disobey federal law with sanctuary cities, he went off into a saccharine screed about huddled masses yearning to breathe free, but by doing so he was saying: vote for me for president and I'll only enforce laws I like.

Whether from goodness or wickedness, selective enforcement of laws is demagoguery.

It's not as bad as Gravel's reveling in having stuck credit card companies with his debt and only regretting that he hadn't burned them for more, but it's a kissing cousin...

[joeybee12]

2. Glad you put "hating" in quotes...that's pretty strong...and if you hate

either candidate, it reflects more on you than it does on the candidate.

[sandnsea]

3. I think the 3 thread rule is a disaster

People won't risk posting "good" things because of the tendency of those kinds of posts to plummet. We're left with the obnoxious posters and those who appear to be reserving their news posts for campaign attacks. I think it's worse than it ever was and wish we'd increase the number to 5 so people would start posting more news articles again, even the mundane ones.

[Political Heretic]

5. I agree.

[babylonsister]

8. I do, too. It sucks to find a good news article and then to

not be able to post it, or have to go to the political dungeon, a place not many people frequent. x(

[dailykoff]

24. Chalk up another rule change engineered by

... well it rhymes with "distillery."

[Political Heretic]

4. I strongly disagree.

Being involved in politics, at any level, should be about statesmanship. If it isn't that, then its just a bunch of thugs sitting around blathering.

I have become quite convinced that there are a significant number of people here who are really full of a lot of shit. They use "politics" and "party" as cover to get joy out of just expressing hate.

There are seriously some people here who wouldn't lift a finger to campaign, wouldn't dream of donating to a candidate, and don't give a damn about even considering what's best for America right now, or what's best for the Democratic Party.

They just find this anonymous internet group to be a sanctioned way to be a dick and get away with it. It's that simple. Some people enjoy having something to hate more than they care about anything else. They seriously get off on it.

Some people here speak the exact same way about fellow DUer and democrats that they do about George W. Bush or Dick Cheney, or Freepers - the exact same way. In fact sometimes they even use the exact same words. These people just get off and having a forum where they are unaccountable and free to release their "inner id" onto everyone else. It's really kind of sad, actually.

That's the only thing that bothers me about DU GD: P and internet boards in general. There are way to many people here who really like hating other people way, way too much. And I'm always pretty sad when DUer's treat other DUer's the exact same way they treat this traitorous administration simply because they support different candidates.

My god... its not wonder our country is falling apart.

[Richardo]

7. Bravo. I wish I could recommend a response.

I would recommend this one. :patriot:

Posting on DU is fun and everything, but that, by itself, is not doing a THING to get a candidate nominated or Democrats elected.

Internet message boards are the General Stores of the 21st century, where disaffected non-participants can go and sit around the cracker barrel and grouse about politics.

[Political Heretic]

10. There's no greater example of this then the 200 views of the thread in my sig..

...and not one response.

Not that I'm going to stop plugging it... but it was sort of a wake up call to how right you are about this:

"Internet message boards are the General Stores of the 21st century, where disaffected non-participants can go and sit around the cracker barrel and grouse about politics."

Yup.

[BleedingHeartPatriot]

26. A reasoned observation.

Which immediately dooms it. :-)

[Hydra]

6. Ya, I don't know where all the passion is coming from

I'm pretty depressed at having to choose between the evil I know and the evil I suspect.

HRC: AIPAC certified, MIC endorsed, DLC supported "Tough on Terror" while weak on oversight, casually lies.
Defines finger in the wind politics.

vs

BO: Vote skipper, Dream Spinner, Follows MIC script, Questionable advisers and also a blatent liar.
All around slick politician.

[ProgressIn2008]

11. That's a good summary of my state of mind, as well - we need a bumper sticker. nt

[babylonsister]

9. Do tell why Obama's healthcare plan is a joke. I think it's more

logical than Clinton's. Do people really want to see their wages garnished for something they might determine they can't afford?
Obama's isn't perfect either, but it's a step in the right direction.

[NMMNG]

13. How would Obama's mandated insurance for children be enforced?

I'm just curious as I couldn't see anything about it at his Website.

[babylonsister]

15. Here's his 'on the issues' link, but

it doesn't address your question specifically. Sounds like his newly-formed National Health Insurance Exchange would be responsible for implementing this part of it.

National Health Insurance Exchange for private coverage

* Obama's plan will provide affordable, comprehensive and portable health coverage for all Americans by:Making available a new public health plan that will allow individuals and small businesses similar to that available to members of Congress. No one will be turned away or charged more due to illness, and everyone who needs it will receive a subsidy.
* Making available a National Health Insurance Exchange to help individuals purchase private coverage and to reform the private insurance market Any American could enroll in participating private plans, which would have to provide comprehensive benefits, issue every applicant a policy, and charge fair and stable premiums.
* Immediately ensuring all 9 million currently uninsured children.
* Expanding Medicaid and the State Children's Health Insurance Program {as a} critical safety net function.
* Requiring employers to make a meaningful contribution to the health coverage of their employees.


http://www.ontheissues.org/2008/Barack_Obama_Health_Care.htm

[NMMNG]

16. I saw that

I just didn't see how it was going to be paid for. IOW, who is going to be paying for it and how is it going to be "enforced"? I'd read something about "fines" for people who were non-compliant, but I have no idea if that's accurate. Nonetheless whether it's everybody paying for the kids to have insurance (even if they themselves don't have kids) or everybody paying for everybody to have insurance (and we all are covered) is there a huge difference?

[TZ]

14. Yay for stupidity!

Thats what I get from your post. And if the nasty things said here about Clinton and Obama were said about Kucinich (whom I would never EVER vote for president) you would "whine" about freepers trolls and troublemakers and "non-progressives" who don't belong on this board (how many times did Kucinich supports pass that particular meme around? too many).
Well feel free to let stupid inane name calling help the Republicans look more sane than the Dems. God knows nothing would be worse than electing a DLC candidate. From the nonsense here, I would almost think people would rather McCain be president than the OTHER candidate.
I nominate your OP for sour grapes award of the year!!

[ellisonz]

17. Loungers.

[OPERATIONMINDCRIME]

19. Done The Right Thing And Voted For Kucinich ROFLMAO!!!

Squawk squawk squawk DNC blah blah blah IWR squawk squawk same old tired crap.

Ya know, part of me wants Hillary to win SO DAMN BAD just for the sheer joy of seeing people like you have their heads explode.

Right thing and voted for Kucinich. :rofl:

[mudesi]

20. Stop lying

We know it's not a "part of you" that wants it, but all of you that wants it.

:eyes:

[OPERATIONMINDCRIME]

21. Oh I SOOOOOO Can't Wait. I Want Pictures!!!!

I want pictures of your heads exploding. Holy cow if you could only imagine the joy of victory I'd feel the day Hillary is elected, from knowing how many freepers and out of their mind ignorant irrational lefties would be having their heads explode. It's gonna make the victory so much damn sweeter!!!!

Oh what I wouldn't give for snapshots of their faces right after finding out the news. MELTDOWNNNNNNN KABOOOOOMMMM!!! :rofl:

[mudesi]

22. Lefties?

Hey OPERATIONMINDCRIME, news flash: This site is supposed to support the left wing. I don't know why they let conservatives like you in here, but we're the majority. Nice one lumping the liberals in with the freepers, by the way.

[OPERATIONMINDCRIME]

23. Left Wing Does Not = Ignorant Irrational Morons.

However, there are in fact some ignorant irrational morons that inhabit the left wing. They are small and in the overwhelming minority however.

Course, for you to twist my statement into being one against liberals just shows how intellectually void you are as it relates to reading comprehension and critical thinking skills. For you to call me a conservative (when it's so blatantly obvious that's a crock) shows how immature and ignorant you are. To say I'm lumping liberals in with the freepers, shows how incapable you are of discerning context.

I lumped the ignorant irrational morons amongst us with the ignorant and irrational moron freepers. At the end of the day, I will get sheer joy out of seeing ALL of their heads explode with a Hillary victory. Can't wait in fact. Please send me pictures!!!!!

[mudesi]

25. Let us examine the evidence, shall we?

You originally replied to this thread with one of these...

:rofl:

...in reference to my apparently "irrational" support of Dennis Kucinich, the only liberal there was amongst the field of Democratic presidential candidates.

You then proceeded to express your anticipatory joy at seeing "our" (eg. Liberal DUers) "heads explode" "when" Ms. Clinton, the conservative DLC establishment candidate, wins the election. (An event which will clearly not happen, in all probability).

Then you labeled me immature.

[OPERATIONMINDCRIME]

27. Methinks You Need A Lesson On What Consitutes Evidence.

I said 'people like you'. i.e. ignorant irrational morons LOL

And yes, I look forward to seeing your heads explode. I want Hillary to win because I think she'll make the best president. But there is SO MUCH ADDITIONAL JOY that will come from seeing freepers heads explode as well as the heads of the ignorant and irrational morons amongst us. SO MUCH JOY INDEED!!!! Pics please!!!!! KABOOOOOOMMMMM!!!!!! :rofl: