I will be most happy to have been proven wrong...

[Ravy]

but I think DUers will be sorely disappointed in whomever we nominate if they get elected.

I do not recall any president leaving the country in as poor of shape as this president will. He has gone pretty much 180 degrees in the wrong direction since he took office.

What parts of the world do not hate us now, do not trust us. Our economy is in shambles. We still have a Gulf Coast to rebuild. We have massive corporate media consolidation. The Justice Department has thousands of cases that need to be addressed that are completely overlooked because of political reasons and decree by the administration. The Supreme Court and federal benches have been subverted with right wing hacks, young ones to boot.

I see the upcoming presidency in three phases:

1) Stop the dark path we are going down.

2) Get back to where we were when Bush took office.

3) Build a better today and tomorrow.

We will have about a 10 trillion dollar debt, a big deficit, raped infrastructure, and raped economy to start the term.

A McCain presidency would be devistating. America will not recover from that. It will be a long road to recovery with a Democrat.

We want change. We ALL want change. But we must be willing to pay for it, and to wait for it.

DU went pretty much overnight from "Pelosi/2007" to "hang the witch".

I hate to see what we will do to the next Democratic president as they find they need to attend to the thousands of Bush things left unattended and the thousands of Bush things done wrong-- and their own policy initiatives have to sit on a back burner for a while.

[Jackpine Radical]

1. I even had one wingnut tell me he was gonna vote for Hillary

out of pure hatred because he wanted her to get the blame for not being able to fix the wreckage from the Bush Administration.

[Ravy]

3. I once played a text-adventure game based on "The Hitchhikers Guide to the Galaxy".

I don't remember the exact text that started the game, but it went something like this:

**********************************

"You wake up in your bed from a long, restful sleep. The sun is shining, birds are singing, flowers are blooming"

"There is a bulldozer advancing on your house"

>

**********************************

I have a feeling that is what January 21, 2009 will feel like to the new President.

[Mz Pip]

2. It won't happen over night

THis much damage will take years to reconcile. But winning in November will be a start. We won't need that 2/3 veto proof majority that we have to deal with now.

Mz Pip
:dem:

[Ravy]

4. We will still need 60 senators though for anything consequential

We might get them.

[kurth]

6. These senators may or may not do what the preacherman says

U.S. senators like to talk too, and they are not known as 'keepers of the status quo' for nothing.

[Mz Pip]

8. Not really

Bush doesn't have 60 Senators but he holds the pen. A whole lot can be done with a Democratic president and a democratic majority in congress.

We can't amend the constitution but we can get out of Iraq.

[Ravy]

9. The president can get out of Iraq without the Senate...

but for anything like health care initiatives, a block of 40 Senators can stop it with a fillibuster.

[Angela Shelley]

11. We need about 300 million people to accept reality

and realize that they are responsible for the fate of their country.

[blues90]

12. We do need this but it will never happen

With all of the bashing and splitting going on within the Democratic party right now along with the massive damage the bush admin has caused ?

The people in this country are in for a long rough ride for decades to come and in 5 years there will be who knows sitting in the whitehouse .

Who ever becomes president I expect the next 4 years to be very much like Clintons 8 years and nothing will change with the attack dogs on the loose .

This is even discounting the economy and global warming and all the massive problems this country has not seen in full bloom yet .

People who actually believe that a president will make all the difference is far behind the curve of reality .

[hisownpetard]

5. I think you left out a phase, and it's gonna be a long one: Discovery.

I think there will be a long period of daily headlines regarding illegal and/or immoral shenanigans
that Bush&Co have pulled, of which we knew nothing.

It makes me shudder to imagine...

[Ravy]

7. You are absolutely right. Thanks for mentioning that.

Not only the crap he has already done that none of us know about, but Bush will be doing shit on his way out of the door.

[hisownpetard]

10. Absolutely.

:hi:

[Jackpine Radical]

13. Daily headlines or online whispers from Truthout, Kos & TPM?

Do the complicit Dems have any interest in shining lights around? Do the Corporate Media?

Remember the dead silence about Iran-Contra when Slick Willie got to town?

[hisownpetard]

14. It may just be wishful thinking on my part. You're right - judging from Reid and Pelosi's

conduct, to date - the flashlights might have no batteries by the time the Dems are in office.
There may actually be no light at the end of the tunnel, which is a concept I'm having a really hard
time dealing with...

[Jackpine Radical]

15. Or, like they said in Vietnam,

the light at the end of the tunnel may be an oncoming train.

[hisownpetard]

17. Ooof!

[NashVegas]

16. I Believe You Are Correct

I see virtually no difference between the candidates, and think both will defend the status quo the second their political ass is on the line.

So why did I vote for Hillary? Because I think she'll be smarter about keeping her ass off the line.

[kentuck]

18. Jimmy Carter, circa 1976

After the first oil embargo, after Watergate, after Nixon, after Ford, after Vietnam. The country was a mess and it was thrown into the lap of James Earl Carter.

[Ravy]

19. Right. And we know he was a good man, with his heart and mind

in the right place.

He had a demonstrated ability to govern, but people/events prevented him from being as effective as he could.